The Truth Behind SASSO and KABIR Chickens: Are They Really Breeds? | Breed in Focus
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- We talk about the SASSO and the KABIR in this first episode of BREED IN FOCUS. Are they REALLY breeds? The COBB and HUBBARD will also be lightly discussed in this video, so stick around and watch until the very end!
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If someone is selling you chickens that are branded as SASSO, KABIR, HUBBARD, DEKALB, or Dominant Cz, be wary. Ask for certification, when applicable.
Research the breeder's background, and find out if they have a partnership with the company their chickens supposedly originated from. Check if they are directly importing birds. Ask the breeder if they import Parent Stocks and are only using Parent Stocks as breeders.
If the person trying to make money out of you score negative on any of these pointers, DO NOT BUY FROM THEM! They are probably selling you the offspring of F1 birds - F1 birds are not supposed to be bred since their children won't perform as well as them. These people do not put in the work and invest in importing Parent Stocks. They make money out of you by branding their chickens as SASSO, KABIR, HUBBARD, DEKALB, or Dominant Cz.
Some breeders don't even give a damn, and market birds that have untraceable lineages and origins... and brand them as SASSO, KABIR, HUBBARD, DEKALB, or Dominant Cz. Don't just buy chickens, ask questions. A LOT of questions. Getting blocked on Facebook is an instant sign that the person is bogus. Honest breeders are always happy to answer questions and educate their buyers.
An educated farmer is a successful farmer. It's high time we end ignorance in the backyard poultry industry and increase the awareness of Filipino chicken raisers.
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Research breeder's background? HAHA
In the Philippines, the government's agri department actually supplies them and call them Sasso and Kabir.
No need to ask a lot of question.
What's important is that they deliver. The "breeds" they call kabir and sasso in the Philippines perform as advertised.
The Philippine government does very little to promote agriculture, agricultural entrepreneurship, and the proper education of people who have never experienced being in the agricultural industry.
If the birds are Dekalbs or Hubbards, call them as such. Calling them "Sasso" or "Kabir" to increase marketability and appeal to an older generation of farmers is irresponsible. If they perform as promised but marketed under a different name, farmers would end up not knowing about other companies or strains that provide highly-productive birds. Whatever good experience they had with the birds would be credited to birds that don't exist in the Philippines, or no longer exist AT ALL.
"No need to ask a lot of questions*?" That, my friend, is how you perpetuate ignorance. Sadly, ignorance is currently a problem in the Philippines and the Filipino. A generation would not be sufficient to alter its current state.
@@luciantheprotean I'm not arguing with you on that. That makes a lot of sense. I'm just saying that's what's happening in the Philippines. Will lowly farmers still do some research when the information and the products are supplied by the government?
@@refererererer It depends on the individual. There are some who still feel dependent on government assistance and education (however meagre), and some who have totally given up on the government and took it upon themselves to further their education.
Whether it be the government, a private institution, or an independent research, I believe that there is no guarantee that all Filipinos will make the initiative to improve. I have seen so many Filipinos in their 40's up to their 80's stubbornly maintain old, conventional, and outdated practices despite teaching them new and better ways.
Super interesting. I just bought "Kabir" chickens. Four females and a male. Well now I know they are not kabir chickens and probably some hybrid and massive. Luckily they seem happy, they have a good appetite, laying brown eggs, and their way of walking is highly amusing. I have subscribed and liked the video and hope to see more. Thank you for sharing all this knowledge!
I'm happy that you learnt something from the video. If you're happy with what you have (even if they are not TRUE Kabirs), then by all means, I'm happy for you, too!
Thanks for subscribing! I hope to be able to upload new content soon.
An educated farmer is a successful farmer. - Dr. Erwin Joseph Cruz, Dominant Asia Pacific
It's high time we end ignorance in the backyard poultry industry and increase the awareness of Filipino chicken raisers.
very well said, Sir!
Nice video here!
As a SASSO representative I can give you an answer : yes you can find SASSO in the Philippines. We have different kinds of chickens, from naked neck « cobra » to multicolor chickens.
We have a long history in the Philippines, this is why the name is well known. Though as explained, offspring re-crossing has been promoting the name even if the parental stock were not around anymore.
Now we supply to SAN MIGUEL PURE FOOD company for its Free Range Magnolia chicken.
Many smaller breeders are interested into providing a slow growth tasty bird to many places in the Philippines. Soon you will see SASSO birds around again, real ones !
This is fantastic news! I would like to connect with you somehow so I can upload content regarding the resurgence of the SASSO strain in the Philippines. Can you please provide me with your Facebook details so we can converse there? I believe it would be better if we exchange details in a more private manner, unless you prefer otherwise.
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Damn, this video is well researched. I got curious abt hubbard sasso and kabir and wondered why I can't find any breed description turns out those are companies. There are many Filipino youtubers that have those "chickens" in their videos and advertised them as such. Glad I did more research.
Question, why does breeding f1's not a good idea? Is the difference to the stock parents really that big? Any other reason? Am I better of buying heritaga breeds?
Thank you for this video. Really informative and you seem to know what you are saying. I wish you have a really big platform to educate my fellow Filipinos that seem to be ignorant or doesn't even care at all to educate themselves.
You have no idea how much I appreciate your comment. The point of me making these videos is to educate people, but more specifically, educate Filipinos.
To answer your question, breeding F1's is not advisable because the F2's (the result of breeding F1 to F1) won't perform as well as the F1, but will consume the same amount of feeds, supplements, and amount of care. It's just not worth it in the long run.
F1's are produced by crossing two different breeds that are purposefully selected for their high level of productivity. The resulting F1 would then have hybrid vigour, resulting in fast growing or productive laying chickens.
This process can be replicated in the domestic sense, since a lot of modern breeds came about through crossbreeding and hybridisation. But it can't be done to the same extent as poultry breeding companies.
Poultry breeding companies like Cobb, Sasso, Dominant CZ, Hubbard, Dekalb, etc. selectively breed purebred Rhode Island Reds, Barred Plymouth Rocks, Cornish Game, etc. for years/generations before finally coming up with a batch that is acceptable enough to use for crossbreeding. The first batch of breeders that pass selection would be labeled as Great Grand Parent stock, and selectively bred again to produce Grand Parent Stock, and THEN selectively bred again to produce Parent Stock, which is then crossbred with other breeds that went the same process to produce marketable F1 birds. Do take note that these breeds remain PUREBRED up until the Parent Stock stage - only the F1 is considered a hybrid.
Disclaimer: Other breeds might have been integrated to the original Great Grand Parent Stocks decades ago (Like I mentioned in the video, Cobb integrated Kabir's strains into their breeding program).
Hybridisation to increase productivity is also commonly done in crop production. F1 seeds are mostly the source of the large and disease/pest-resistant produce we find in the market - meaning, we are consuming F1 produce. F1 corn, tomatoes, or chili peppers are not dried and kept for their seeds, since their seeds would be considered F2 and not perform as well as F1.
To put it simply, F1's are the final product we raise and consume, and are not meant for continued breeding. It's a whole different matter altogether though when it comes to hog raising, but that conversation's for another day.
If you want to be able to continuously breed and not care about how productive or how fast your livestock/crops would grow, stick to heritage breeds for livestock and heirloom seeds for crops.
If you always want consistent results and fast growth/harvest/ROI, just buy F1 chicks or seeds from legitimate and certified breeders or hatcheries. If high productivity and income is your goal, F1 is the way to go.
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I guess this is because we, Filipinos, associate a product/item by its brand name. These was still common around my childhood in the 90's. For example, someone wants to buy a close-up toothpaste, instead of saying i need a toothpaste or i want close-up. The person will instead say, i need Colgate. Because Colgate was a more common brand. 😂
I have replied to your comment so many times I lost count. What's wrong? Is it TH-cam's fault? Why do all my replies vanish as if I never made the effort to do so?
This is very informative video
Why thank you, brother. Glad you enjoyed it.
Very interesting. What are the common Heritage breeds for the Philippines and which ones are the best all-around picks for layers and broilers? Thank you for your help, you have a new subscriber :)
Christ, sorry about the late reply. Having a day and night job while managing a farm takes everything out of me.
For common heritage breeds, you can get Rhode Island Reds (if you're not breeding for aesthetics/for show, get regular production or pet quality types), Barred Plymouth Rocks, Orpingtons, Australorps, and Sussex chickens.
If you're looking for birds that produce a high yield of eggs and meat, focus more on production hybrids. White Cobb broilers can be grown and harvested within a month, averaging at around 1.5kg-2kg within a month. Get a reliable and honest supplier.
For white egg layers, look for a trustworthy supplier of production Leghorn layers. For brown eggs or free-range meat birds, I highly recommend getting F1 production birds from Dominant CZ. Remember, F1 birds are terminal animals, they should not be bred.
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@@luciantheprotean No problem and thank you very much for all this info. I will make good use of it.
@@wawawanderer Do take care.
I just bought sasso,25 pcs. Chick prices 200 each 6 weeks old.not sure if pure sasso or not,i just try to raise.
Forget purity, they're DEFINITELY 100%-I can bet my life on it-NOT SASSO. There are no known importers of Sasso Parent Stocks in the Philippines as of this time, if I'm not mistaken. I'm still waiting for the person to prove me wrong, but none has called me out so far.
Moreover, 200 PHP apiece is ridiculous. That's a friggin' scam, in my book. You can get day-old F1 Dominant CZ chicks for 100 PHP and below apiece, depending on location. The price of day-old Dominant CZ Parent Stocks is a different matter altogether, since it's currently at 700+ PHP apiece, and the local distributor needs to import them from the Czech Republic. I highly suggest that you contact Dominant Asia Pacific on Facebook. The deadline of the next Parent Stock reservation is on January 22, 2022.
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Sasso is sooo much here in Egypt
I bought kaber chicks 2 weeks ago I have been looking for them since 2014 , now here I noticed something different the chicks I brought are light brown not dark brown.
I' might be going crazy
Well... I made this video for that sole purpose. Damn! Oh well, you can always grow them in preparation for the pressure cooker... you're better off purebred heritage breeds if you want to produce your own backyard flock. They're NOT as productive or fast growing as production hybrids, but they're breedable. No F1 to F1 breeding BS.
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how about black auatralorp?is it a high breed? or just a native/upgraded?
The Australorp is a heritage breed.Not hybrid. And definitely not native. It was developed in Australia from English Orpington stock, hence the name. Australia + Orpington = Australorp.
@@luciantheproteanSo which are Sasso parent stock
Halo, saya suka konten yang bapak berikan, karena mengandung budaya dan kesadaran. Terima kasih. Saya punya pertanyaan pak. Apakah mungkin sasso kawin dengan ayam daging putih? Apakah hasil hibrida lebih banyak daging dan berkualitas tinggi
Assalamu alaikum, saudarak! Ya tentu saja. Anda bisa mengembangbiakkan ayam sasso dengan ayam broiler putih. Tetapi mengetahui bahwa Anda BISA tidak berarti Anda HARUS. Kecuali Anda adalah perusahaan besar yang mampu membeli Induk sebagai peternak, Anda hanya bisa mendapatkan ayam pedaging putih F1 dan burung Sasso. Tidak disarankan untuk membiakkan unggas F1 karena keturunan yang dihasilkannya (yaitu F2) tidak akan menghasilkan performa sebaik induk F1 mereka. Jika Anda mencari produktivitas dan konversi pakan yang efisien, tetap gunakan unggas F1. Burung F2 akan mengkonsumsi pakan dalam jumlah yang sama dengan unggas F1, tetapi tidak akan seproduktif F1. Saya merasa jawaban saya berlebihan. Ha ha ha
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Ok gracias @@luciantheprotean
I love your video more information about chicken breeds sir
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That(Sasso) looks exactly like a Naked Neck Turkin...
I'm from Roxas city, planning to open farm and raise a chicken called Kabir. Whom to contact and buy a chicks or fresh eggs for incubator.
Erm... like I mentioned in the video, the Kabir strain NO LONGER EXISTS. The Israeli poultry company Kabir was purchased by Cobb a number of years ago. I highly suggest that you look for a certified breeder of Dominant CZ chickens in Roxas so you can start your own flock of freerange chickens.
Please take note that the F1 Dominant CZ chicks you'll be purchasing from the certified breeder are not meant for breeding, but only for production. The F1 freerange layers are productive for 2 years before you eventually cull them, and the F1 freerange meat types (roosters) are ready for harvest in 2 months. If you want to breed freerange chickens and produce your own F1 chicks, you'll need to import Parent Stocks from Dominant Asia Pacific.
You can contact them through their official Facebook page:
facebook.com/Dominant-Asia-Pacific-1754936541192113
And here's Dr Erwin's Facebook:
facebook.com/freerangepoultryphilippines.erwincruz
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Sasso , real name Banatski Glosijan from Serbia
Hi have u any idea or real genetics composition of dekalb brown i hope soon this will be interesting topic of your vlogs. Thanks ang mo re power
That's something I can research on... what I do know is that the Rhode Island Red is the most common breed used to produce hybrid brown-egg layers. As for the specific breeds and percentages used, I would not know for certain. For now.
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@@luciantheprotean rhode island red rooster and rhode island white hens... deklab brown = dominant brown d102 = ISA brown.. correct me if im wrong
@@achillesbanal7346 Hello there and thanks for watching!
I'm currently working on becoming a certified breeder for Dominant CZ birds, and here's what I can confirm so far:
Dominant CZ D102 Parent Stocks: Rhode Island Red paternal line, Rhode Island White maternal line.
ISA Brown: Rhode Island Reds and Whites are definitely part of the ISA Brown's genetic pool, but the rest of the breeds used in its development are kept as a trade secret.
Dekalb Brown: Dekalb requires people to contact their regional Dekalb parent stock sales representative and does not provide much information beforehand. But yes, Rhode Island Reds and Rhode Island Whites were probably used in the production birds' breeding program.
Please take note that I NEVER claimed to b a genetics expert. The video was intended to be a historical film about production chickens, and only required proper research for the sake of accuracy.
All the information I presented on the video and the comment section were taken straight from the company websites and poultry technology websites. Feel free to check and cross reference.
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nice video.... love chicken... new friend here.
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San pa po ba meron ditong pure Kabir sa pinas
Pure Kabir chickens NO LONGER exist in the Philippines or anywhere in the world. Like I mentioned in the video, the company Cobb bought the company Kabir years ago.
If it's any consolation the Cobb 500 (45-days) broiler chickens you can buy from poultry supplies or hatcheries MAY have genes derived from Kabir strains, since Cobb integrated Kabir bloodlines into their parent stock breeding program.
@@luciantheprotean ah ganon po ba salamat po.
Pero meron pa po kayo kayang Alam na,may continuous bloodline Ng inaalagan na Kabir.hanggang ngayon.
@@vonlaurelian854 Sadly, no, I don't. And it's impossible to maintain the strain for more than a decade if you are using only the same birds since the resulting offspring would deteriorate due to inbreeding.
Moreover, even if there are still breeders who can say that they still have true and pure Kabir strains in their flock, it is highly unlikely that what they have were bred from imported Kabir parent stocks. Breeding F1 birds is NOT advisable if productivity and consistency are your goals in mind.
@@luciantheprotean dahil Ang mga kabir ngayon ay para syang sasso o rir.
Nung mga dating Kabir po ba.
Ano po kayang kulay dati para malaman ko Lang po.
Salamat sa info.
@@vonlaurelian854 The old Kabir strain comes in red, barred, dominique... it depends on the line.
Again, the Kabir NO LONGER EXISTS. "Ang mga kabir ngayon" ARE NOT Kabirs.
In the Philippines still raise sasso
Real ones?
That didn't really explain the answer I'm looking for. My question is "Is Kabir a descendant of Road Island Red Chick?" Answer that if you can or your willing to answer that.
I don't know. That's the best answer you're getting. The breeds used by the company KABIR to develop their strains of production poultry are propriety information. Companies like Dominant CZ openly provides information about the breed ancestry of their production strains, but not KABIR.
@@luciantheprotean Ah okay. Thanks for answering my question. I appreciate that. But in my opinion I think they're one breed just different names because of the company. Similar to same clothes just having a different brand names.
Seems like it is a sort of breeder promotion only... when there is plenty of chicken here all over the place
The way the "SASSO" and "KABIR" brands are used from where I'm from is as you say, promotion. Birds will be marketed as such despite of the fact to increase sales. The number of people who are uneducated in poultry but have the eagerness to start in it are the usual victims of these schemes.
@@luciantheprotean The story is that the best way to select the bird is to let it grow and see how it moves select a mum and dad with good characteristics and that is it... cause at the end buying 1000 chicks with hopes it grows as it should is just bad lol ... and apparently people here do that lol
@@flifluflofli I CANNOT AGREE MORE.
You are wrong mister
That’s not the picture of sasso chicken. We don’t call your cobra chicken sasso
The naked-neck variety of Sasso was commonplace in the Philippines more than a decade ago - in fact, I distinctly remember F1 naked-neck Sasso chicks being sold in agri-supplies. Their availability to a larger demographic of farmers increased the distribution of the naked-neck gene in the Philippines by way of cross-breeding, which resulted in a lot of mongrelised chickens that are naked-neck.
The term "cobra" is specifically a local/Philippine nickname for all naked-neck or turken chickens, regardless if they are used for production or as exhibition poultry (for example, bantams). No one else uses the term "cobra" for the turken anywhere else in the world. The guinea fowl also has a local nickname in the Philippines that's never used or heard of elsewhere in the world - BENGALA.
I can assure you that the turken images we used on the video are TRUE SASSO naked-neck production chickens, and nothing else but. Regarding your dispute, I would like to reiterate that not all naked-neck chickens are from Sasso strains, and not all Sasso strains are turkens. The naked-neck gene itself originated from a breed called the Transylvanian Naked-Neck chicken, a breed native to Romania. Whether pure or not, the naked-neck gene can be passed down to progeny.
If you have anything else to add to the argument, I welcome it fully.
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Rhode Island Red
Barred Plymouth Rock
Black Australorp
Right... heritage breeds.
Like what we call the american game chickens as texas...
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You really need to know your subject before you make TH-cam videos. Cobb hybrids have been around for decades before 2009, so the idea that Kabir became the cobb is both erroneous and unfounded. The cobb is from indian game and Plymouth rock stock, many many decades ago!
"Cobb hybrids have been around for decades before 2009." - Correct. I am aware.
"The Cobb is from Indian Game (Cornish) and Plymouth Rock stock." - Also correct, and I am very well aware.
I never said the Kabir BECAME the Cobb. What I explained in the video was that Cobb purchased the Israeli company Kabir and has been integrating its gene pool in the further development of Cobb broilers ever since. Cobb has also been utilising Sasso strains for quite some time now.
I make sure I'm well-researched and provide accurate and factual information before I even upload a video. You are more than welcome to rewatch the video AND check the description box for references and credits. If you have no intention of doing so, here's a link for you: www.poultryworld.net/Home/General/2009/1/Cobb-Europe-acquires-Kabir-breeds-WP003529W/.
Anyway, thanks for watching.
We have a kabir chicken ang sasso chicken
I would believe you have Sasso chickens if you either import Sasso Parent Stocks from France and raise your own F1 Sasso birds, or purchase F1 Sasso birds from a reputed importer of Sasso Parent Stocks. If not, I don't think your birds are Sasso.
Moreover, Kabir chickens no longer exist.