Aw man you guys are lucky, just losing your guns in the ocean. Pirates boarded my boat and stole mine. They said if I call the police, they will kill my family so that’s why I haven’t said anything until now. Darn pirates
I'm not an insider but from following and observation I thank Ian and Carl for promoting this project but don't forget Sinistral Rifleman (Russell P.) and KE Arms for the large capital investment and hard work bringing this to reality and market. This has not been an easy project especially in "2020". Hats off to you gentlemen!!!
I'm glad I'm picking up the mil spec lower today and will be awaiting my upper to hurry and get here in the mail along with a separate package of ammo I can hardly wait to try it out
The only problem with this product from a marketing point of view is it pretty much requires the entire context of the 2017 WWSD project to fully appreciate it. Hence the comments from the people who lack that context. That whole project and series of videos culminating in Tiger Valley is my favorite thing InRange has ever done.
I'm glad to see the finalized version of this lower, I like that it has a fit & finish of A1/A2 stocks, something inbetween stylistically, but with modern mounts
For those of us who preorder the slt full ambi version at ~$350 brownells did confirm that we keep that preorder price. Had mine on preorder within the hour it went up back in January
@@TommysPlaypin Just how things are these days. With the vaccine coming out and being so effective, people will stop panic buying so much and parts will become available again. I'm looking forward to the glut of used guns that will come from people who stocked up wanting their money back.
@@danieljones3683 Agreed, you got some good working parts on hand then definitely use them. I was interested in building my own also. As long as you got the lower and hand guard everything else is free game in my eyes lol.
Ordered my 2 in FDE. I’ve waited this long, I can wait a little more. Great news that lowers are shipping, though. Looking forward to these being put through their paces.
I wish I had waited when I bought my last lower... 15 months later and it’s not even close to complete... now exactly what I wanted is available, at the price of a good completed standard lower.
It's been so long I couldn't remember what I ordered. But then I looked at the price lol. I'll probably end getting a self contained trigger pack like I have before.
With some minor upgrades due to newer tech (M-Lok & qd swivel sockets), this is essentially the long-awaited but, never came to fruition CavArms Mk III.
I have been really happy with my KE lower. I highly recommend, the only complaint is the select fire lever is a little spongy. Otherwise, a great lower, lightweight and robust design.
Saddest part of these comments. All those people who have NO idea about WWSD 2017 or WWSD 2020. In their mind the product isn't solving anything. To me it's a really compelling option. Talk about a perfect (in my mind) truck gun starter. Less likely to get overly banged up, relatively cheap, and nice and light.
I don't blame them. It's a concept that hasn't had much success and mass appeal in the past, so it isn't well understood. But if the KP-15 is successful, they'll understand.
Introducing the AR-7. It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines here and it costs more than what you make in a month!
I think it should be said, out of the box, currently, they will not fit the CMC drop in triggers, even though the listing says they are "compatible with cassette style match triggers". It appears as if the forward part of the pocket has a radius that prevents the CMC trigger from dropping in. It could probably be modified to accept it like Milspec lowers do, but I'm hesitant to remove any material being as an engineer put it there, and an accountant left it there. The SLT1 is probably a drop in unit, as that was what the company had in mind making these things. The Cav Arms lower will accept the CMC trigger, so this caught me by surprise. Just throwing that out there to folks.
Those are being worked on as we write this, the KP15 lower being in production needed to happen first. The first rifles will ship before the end of the year as I understand it.
This is less expensive than I had been expecting, I'll be curious if they can produce them as fast as there will be demand for them. I'm personally still not sold on the idea of a polymer AR, especially not one that I cannot customize grips, trigger guards, stocks, and am limited on internals to put in it, but I would definitely like to handle and shoot one of these to see if it changes my mind.
KE arms can complete a strip lower in less than 6 minutes. The kp15 ‘s grip, stock, and trigger guard are already parallel in style and function to upgraded components. A1 stock length will fit 90% of adult male shooters.
Sinistral Rifleman aka Russell Phagan has been releasing videos of the production, takes about 60 seconds in the mold and 15-30 mins to get it ready to ship. Compare this to the 3-6 hours it takes to make a lower, extremely fast.
There’s a reason that you don’t see polymer lowers that can accept different grips and stocks being popular on the market. The area between the buffer tube and grip is a huge weak area unless you design it as a monolithic component for strength. So yeah, you’re sacrificing that customization for rigidity, but when you think about the fact that this weighs close to half that of a milspec completed lower, it can become a compelling trade-off. They’ll be spitting these out by the thousands pretty soon, for a $110 price tag, you might as well pick one up and try it out.
It'll pay to watch InRangeTV's WWSD video regarding the GWACS Lower Receiver (the spiritual predecessor to this component) if you haven't already. Aside from not mentioning weight differences there, they present a slew of other points which favour the component's absence of modularity/adjustability.
Can I use the Giesslie super 42 buffer sprint with my ke arms lower? I know they only recommended a standard spring or the JP. I like the idea of the super 42.
I just saw these on the site, thnking about picking up a lower, and a 300 blackout upper. You also didn't show this model from your website: KE-15 Forged Mil-Spec Complete Lower Receiver 5.56mm
Dooooooo ittttttt.... PS, we have no vested interest in saying this except that we love the product and that we are a business specifically vested in your making purchases 😂 but really, both are super cool and we love the products and seriously know you will too!
took till 530 wed to clear Colorado background check. but it is a really stout unit- now we need the Stamp Of Hubris to be made and offered up for sale. this stock begs for politically incorrect stickers. i ll have some. are there any Lubrication restrictions for my new Lower?
I have an MBT, once I get my lower and try it out I'm gonna make a post about it on reddit's r/guns and r/ar15 sub. I plan to do some drop and impact stuff to see if I can get the sear to let go.
There will not be an 80% for this lower. Regardless of the fact that the ATF has been hesitant to issue new rulings on 80% designs, it would require an entirely new set of polymer molds that would cost around half a million dollars in order to fashion an 80% polymer lower. It’s just not market viable.
Can't do an 80% for something like this. It isn't machined down from a solid piece of material, or built up like a 3D print-out. It basically comes out of the mold at 99%, and the other 1% is cleaning and finishing.
Has anyone attached a QD cup in the stock for sling yet? What kind did you purchase if so? Is their a way to make it ambi and have a QD cup on each side? Thanks.
That is an exclusive to the complete rifles they are selling. You can always buy your own and modify the lower yourself but if you want it done by them it's only on the full rifle version, I've heard them explain it that due to how expensive that one single part is it makes the complete lowers with those installed cost like $600 or more and most people aren't gonna buy those so they limited it to the full rifle, that's how I remember it anyway don't hold me to it I could be wrong.
@@bdkj3e The last three pdq catches I bought were $65 a piece, and those were the nickel boron coated offering. The qpq nitrided one I bought was cheaper. Not sure how a $65 part adds up to a three fold plus increase in price. Labor for the mod would add to cost, but keeping to the original concept would have incorporated it into the mold.
@@jayinbox A slot of the same depth & width present on the left side can't be molded continuously to the right side of the receiver? I guess my time doing work for Warminster Fiberglass has misinformed me. It's a slot. No variation in depth, or width. Nothing extraordinary about molding a continuous slot across the top.
Having that strap slot be a carved out hole instead of a sealed channel is a bit of a missed opportunity. If it were sealed, you could have made some in-stock storage for field cleaning kits or other "If-and-when" storage. Extra mag space or even spare parts. Plenty of room in these polymer stocks when they are hollowed out like that.
There is in stock storage, one of the guys with an early production test sample filled it with reeses pieces on demand of the discord. There wouldn't be quite as much space as you'd think - there is significant honeycombing to strengthen it.
Depends on what version you ordered. Milspec lowers have been completed at KE and sent to Brownells. Ambi/SLT lowers are being produced this week. Stripped lowers were set to begin production this week per the last updates from Sinistral. Complete rifles are still a bit TBD due to other parts and assembly.
@@coolbeardcat7447lol you fascists are so triggered. Nothing communist about a private company making an innovative product, and wanting to sell that product to every American, regardless of race, sexual orientation, or creed.
Been waiting for these so I can build a WWSD AR-15 and then Canada decides to ban AR-15's. At least the final product look amazing for the guys who can own it!
Yes, but if I were you, I think the benefits of the BRN-180 upper and the KP-15 lower are at odds with each other. If you’ve got a BRN-180 upper, you should take advantage of the opportunity to put a side-folder on it. Plus, the gas piston system will be a little front-heavy with such a lightweight lower.
Carbine. I asked Russel Phagan why they wouldnt use a rifle length buffer system (since its an A1 stock) for the advantages it offers and he explained that they learned that a rifle length buffer system doesnt leave much material in the rear and over time it will beat out the back of the stock. They really did their homework to build a tough long lasting lower.
Wait, where can I find info on specific parts compatibility? I saw on the website that it needs a longer trigger pin for a flush look. But I'm hearing aftermarket ambi safeties (Radian, BAD) won't work? How about takedown pins?
Takedown pins will come with it. They have captured detents built into the pins so they come out HK style. No takedown pins and springs in the lower. You can use a regular safety, but it'll be a pain in the ass to install, buy their safety.
Installation itself isn't so much the issue, it's getting a milspec safety to come back out that's an issue because the detent spring loads from the top.
All propriatary parts come with it, that being the pins and safety if you bought one that came with a trigger. ANy regular AR lower parts except for the trigger pins and takedown pins will work. Again it comes with the pins.
It has a carbine spring and buffer. Behind that is an integral molded polymer frame. They did this to avoid to action from busting out of the back of the gun. A rifle system wouldn't have enough support between the tube channel and the rear of the stock.
@@guyfawkesuThe1 it definitely doesn't look bad that's just subjective and it doesn't defeat the purpose of a short rifle as the fixed stock is pretty short. Look at inrange or forgotten weapons talk about this they go really in depth to the benefits.
@@walkmanstudios9733 I get the concept and I think the products are a great idea, especially the multi-color lowers. If I needed one I would buy one. However on 16" and smaller barrels they adjustable stocks are better.
I would hazard a guess they will work with any upper that works with a normal mil-spec lower. Unless your LH upper interacts differently with the bolt catch or magazine release, I wouldn't worry about it.
@@JaronActual Thanks for the reply. I have a Stag LH upper just waiting to be coupled and since Stag is shutdown for now, this looks really good. Cheers
I thought that the ambi lower was not going to be available outside of the entire WWSD2020 rifle, based on what Karl and Russell had said. Has that changed, then? The fully ambi lower will be available separately?
A "mostly" ambi version is available and what is shown and does not include an ambi bolt release PDQ lever. The "fully" ambi that does include it is what will be available only with the full rifle.
What you are reffering to is the WWSD2020 lower which will have the ambi bolt catch and release. KE Arms (Russel Phagan) says they are only doing it for the WWSD rifles as it signifigantly increases cost and manufacturing time.
@@manlymanisaman6225 the lower is all one piece including an A1 length stock. The buffer is a standard carbine buffer and spring and will not accept a rifle buffer. The A1 length is to alllow more material to strengthen the rear end so the recoil doesn't damage it. Only carbine buffers and round springs, or the jp silent capture system are to be used in this particular type of lower.
Not in the grip, but the stock will accommodate a1/a2 butt plates with a door, maybe perfect for hotdogs, string cheese, perhaps a small banana. I’d imagine we’ll be able to fit a “standard size” bag of M&Ms and not the “fun size”we’ve been relegated to storing in the grip.I’m just speculating, I don’t have any solid data yet.
Does anyone know if these can be laser stippled? Just wondering because i might customize mine with a cool pattern or something. Not sure exactly yet, as im waiting for mine to deliver, but ive got a few ideas in mind.
@@collinis1 Closed contiguous material structure is stronger than open hollow forms. The area of the grip to the buffer is the primary weak point for polymer lowers not designed this way.
No reason it shouldn’t but that would defeat the original intent and purpose of the What Would Stoner Do (WWSD) projects (2017, 2020). That purpose was to return to Eugene Stoner’s vision of the AR15/M16 platform: lightweight, taking advantage of modern technology, and without sacrificing reliability and accuracy. Originally the barrel was a pencil design and we didn’t have the heat treatment technique to make a pencil barrel that could hold up under high volumes of fire. So back then, they fixed the issue by making a thicker and heavier barrel. Nowadays we have the heat treating technology to make good pencil barrels. The WWSD project returned to that design as Stoner intended to make the gun as lightweight as possible. That’s why the lower is polymer: it’s lightweight and takes advantage of modern technology. Thus, putting a heavy barrel on this lower would defeat the whole point of developing this lower.
These are made from molds, they aren't machined down from a block of material like the aluminum lowers are. They come out of the mold at 100% (or technically 99%) and are trimmed and cleaned. Also, I believe there was some kind of legality issue with making 80% polymer lowers, so between that and the sheer difficulty, it just wasn't worth doing.
Safety will be a bitch, buy their safety or hate the process of installing it. Some triggers that use anti rotation pins may not work due to the bigger front trigger pin being longer. You don't need your own takedown pins, they come with the stripped version since they have the detents built into them
You should definitely watch Inrangetv/Forgotten weapons WWSD (what would Stoner do) Videos to get a better Idea, basically they set out to build an AR platform rifle with modern technology as Eugene Stoner might have done with access to modern materials/processes.
Arguably it's actually stronger than a traditional lower. InRangeTV's original WWSD videos show some of that. It's lighter weight than a traditional lower. Ian just released a video on his Forgotten Weapons channel on the complete history of this idea. Colt tried in in the 1960's because they also thought it might be worth it. I highly recommend the InRange WWSD videos.
@@legalboy71 if by “traditional lower” you mean an aluminum one, I’d say that’s still up for debate. Now, a “traditional” polymer lower is absolutely inferior to this. Plus it’s about a pound lighter than a similarly set up aluminum lower.
@@509Gman yes by "traditional lower" I did mean an aluminum one. And you are absolutely correct that whether this is stronger than an aluminum one is still "up for debate." That's what "arguably" means. I don't know if this is stronger or not, but I am aware of plausible arguments that it is. And those arguments absolutely could be a reason someone would consider this.
Per postings from KE Arms on various places (for example, FB), the completed lowers (including buffer and all FCG parts) are coming in right around 1.7 pound. facebook.com/KEArmsOfficial/posts/2119351541528621
Comfort and muscle endurance. Ask any Special Forces member who use any AR variant or even DMR operators, they will tell you exactly that. For the shooter who only fires an average of 100-250 rounds a year, it doesn’t matter at all.
00:01:00 you didn't explain this properly. Have to spell it out for people. When you build 1:1 copies of milspec ar15 lowers (originally designed to be made from metal) out of polymer, you have failures.
The real question is whether the polymer helps it float. Would sure help negate all those unfortunate boating accidents.
You can add weights to the grip compartment. Problem solved. ;-)
It would help for a minute until it fills up.....
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 just spray some foam insulation in there, won't fill with water for decades
These comments are funny. Filled mine with lead.
Aw man you guys are lucky, just losing your guns in the ocean. Pirates boarded my boat and stole mine. They said if I call the police, they will kill my family so that’s why I haven’t said anything until now. Darn pirates
I'm not an insider but from following and observation I thank Ian and Carl for promoting this project but don't forget Sinistral Rifleman (Russell P.) and KE Arms for the large capital investment and hard work bringing this to reality and market. This has not been an easy project especially in "2020". Hats off to you gentlemen!!!
Russell P
@@Cube210 Thanks!!!
I'm glad I'm picking up the mil spec lower today and will be awaiting my upper to hurry and get here in the mail along with a separate package of ammo I can hardly wait to try it out
The only problem with this product from a marketing point of view is it pretty much requires the entire context of the 2017 WWSD project to fully appreciate it. Hence the comments from the people who lack that context. That whole project and series of videos culminating in Tiger Valley is my favorite thing InRange has ever done.
I'm glad to see the finalized version of this lower, I like that it has a fit & finish of A1/A2 stocks, something inbetween stylistically, but with modern mounts
For those of us who preorder the slt full ambi version at ~$350 brownells did confirm that we keep that preorder price. Had mine on preorder within the hour it went up back in January
Brownells cancelled my FDE preorder. Sending me a black lower at the regular price. So much for the pre-order lie.
I eagerly await my shipping notice.
Me too!
Ditto
Omg omg omg it’s finally happening!!!!!! I can’t wait to get mine. I have a WWSD upper I built, just waiting for its lower!
Pretty amazing product!
I have the lower but I can not find parts to put together the upper that is supposed to go with it.
@@TommysPlaypin Just how things are these days. With the vaccine coming out and being so effective, people will stop panic buying so much and parts will become available again. I'm looking forward to the glut of used guns that will come from people who stocked up wanting their money back.
Looks better than I expected! Can’t wait to receive mine.
Thank you!
I want one with an Elbonia flag on the side
If it was Elbonian you would have to mount it to a Scar upper!
@@somersethuscarl2938 with a ventilated handguard from an MG34
@@gaveintothedarkness I like your thinking, maybe adding a 1918A2 BAR tripod?
@@somersethuscarl2938 What caliber, let me guess.....
7.5 swiss?
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 Well yes that or 7.92x41mm CETME
Can't wait. I pre-ordered my stripped lower in July. I have all the parts ready to go.
Let us know what you think, where you planning on a WWSD clone build?
@@biggboysouth very close to the WWSD. I already had a pencil barrel from another manufacturer that has worked well so I see no need to swap it out.
@@danieljones3683 Agreed, you got some good working parts on hand then definitely use them. I was interested in building my own also. As long as you got the lower and hand guard everything else is free game in my eyes lol.
Ordered my 2 in FDE. I’ve waited this long, I can wait a little more. Great news that lowers are shipping, though. Looking forward to these being put through their paces.
We need a version with an injection molded outline of gun Jesus Ian on it.
Laser engraved
Yesssssss
BurnDuration "I am the way and the light, except the light is occasionally muzzle flash"
But what about the official InRange Stamp of Hubris?
@@Brawler_1337 omg yesssss!!!!!!
I wish I had waited when I bought my last lower... 15 months later and it’s not even close to complete... now exactly what I wanted is available, at the price of a good completed standard lower.
Always glad to see this. This just means we're that much closer to my full rifle headed to me :D
YEP! :)
Stripped ver. bois where u at
Been waiting since February. Guess I can wait a bit longer.
1 in FDE and 1 in black. Woot woot
Waiting... So so long I've been waiting...
It's been so long I couldn't remember what I ordered. But then I looked at the price lol. I'll probably end getting a self contained trigger pack like I have before.
I've already pre-ordered a complete rifle, but I might get a stripped FDE lower for a Gucci build I'm planning.
Product improved Cav Arms polymer lower! Well done.
With some minor upgrades due to newer tech (M-Lok & qd swivel sockets), this is essentially the long-awaited but, never came to fruition CavArms Mk III.
I have been really happy with my KE lower. I highly recommend, the only complaint is the select fire lever is a little spongy. Otherwise, a great lower, lightweight and robust design.
looks good, nice and light poly ar-15 lower. 👍😀😀👍👍😀😀
this is maybe the best lower on the civil market
I want the brownells music as my cell ringer....
Saddest part of these comments. All those people who have NO idea about WWSD 2017 or WWSD 2020. In their mind the product isn't solving anything. To me it's a really compelling option. Talk about a perfect (in my mind) truck gun starter. Less likely to get overly banged up, relatively cheap, and nice and light.
I don't blame them. It's a concept that hasn't had much success and mass appeal in the past, so it isn't well understood. But if the KP-15 is successful, they'll understand.
Introducing the AR-7. It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines here and it costs more than what you make in a month!
So, target market is government black ops and a bald gut wearing a suit?
You'd be surprise what I make in a month!
@@vmark78 not unless your Hunter Biden 😉
Love this comment section
That was a Glock 7 😏
Ayyyyyyy, finally
I think it should be said, out of the box, currently, they will not fit the CMC drop in triggers, even though the listing says they are "compatible with cassette style match triggers".
It appears as if the forward part of the pocket has a radius that prevents the CMC trigger from dropping in. It could probably be modified to accept it like Milspec lowers do, but I'm hesitant to remove any material being as an engineer put it there, and an accountant left it there. The SLT1 is probably a drop in unit, as that was what the company had in mind making these things. The Cav Arms lower will accept the CMC trigger, so this caught me by surprise.
Just throwing that out there to folks.
Just got the call yesterday that mine is shipping!
When did you put in the order?
@@Reizwasche I ordered a Mil-Spec complete on 6/30.
@@willlowery84 I ordered mine 2 months earlier but I got the stripped model so im on the backend of the shipping list :(
wow these look far better than the original cavarms lowers
Ordered my stripped fde in March. Crossing my fingies I'll get it before inauguration 😬
DERPGRU ASSSSSEEEMMMBBLLLLEEE
I understood that reference
DERPGRU Gang We Out Here
I am coming up with my own version of that, I have named it seal team shit!
Got one with code TAG for 186 & change...shipped!👀🤘🏻
Mine shipped this week!
The only thing I don't like about it is the grip angle. I like a straighter grip like the BCM Mod 0. But other than that I think it will be a winner.
Even with a 13” LOP?
Nice, not long now until complete rifles start shipping I hope!
Is there still a list from Brownells for what parts will fit in a stripped lower?
Really nice! I am getting one!
Would be neat to see this with the mag well you can change caliber as well.
You can already do that the make adapters for smaller mags (9mm etc) larger cartridges would require entirely redesigning the gun including internals
Just watched the history of these from Forgotten Weapons. Pretty cool! Not for me but still awesome!
whats not for u? A good gun?
ITS BEAUTIFUULLL... lookin' forward to seeing my pre-order shipped!
Please, please, please, please, please bring one out in OD Green!!!
If you aren't painting rifles whatr u thinking
But when are the complete rifles coming? Geoff Who needs to check his lottery tickets.
Those are being worked on as we write this, the KP15 lower being in production needed to happen first. The first rifles will ship before the end of the year as I understand it.
Good video 🔥💥
This is less expensive than I had been expecting, I'll be curious if they can produce them as fast as there will be demand for them. I'm personally still not sold on the idea of a polymer AR, especially not one that I cannot customize grips, trigger guards, stocks, and am limited on internals to put in it, but I would definitely like to handle and shoot one of these to see if it changes my mind.
KE arms can complete a strip lower in less than 6 minutes. The kp15 ‘s grip, stock, and trigger guard are already parallel in style and function to upgraded components. A1 stock length will fit 90% of adult male shooters.
Sinistral Rifleman aka Russell Phagan has been releasing videos of the production, takes about 60 seconds in the mold and 15-30 mins to get it ready to ship.
Compare this to the 3-6 hours it takes to make a lower, extremely fast.
@@cakeeee4 plus glass filled nylon doesn’t face the same production chockpoints like T6 7075 billet and forging.
There’s a reason that you don’t see polymer lowers that can accept different grips and stocks being popular on the market. The area between the buffer tube and grip is a huge weak area unless you design it as a monolithic component for strength. So yeah, you’re sacrificing that customization for rigidity, but when you think about the fact that this weighs close to half that of a milspec completed lower, it can become a compelling trade-off.
They’ll be spitting these out by the thousands pretty soon, for a $110 price tag, you might as well pick one up and try it out.
It'll pay to watch InRangeTV's WWSD video regarding the GWACS Lower Receiver (the spiritual predecessor to this component) if you haven't already. Aside from not mentioning weight differences there, they present a slew of other points which favour the component's absence of modularity/adjustability.
Can I use the Giesslie super 42 buffer sprint with my ke arms lower? I know they only recommended a standard spring or the JP. I like the idea of the super 42.
Waiting for shipping
I just saw these on the site, thnking about picking up a lower, and a 300 blackout upper.
You also didn't show this model from your website: KE-15 Forged Mil-Spec Complete Lower Receiver 5.56mm
Dooooooo ittttttt....
PS, we have no vested interest in saying this except that we love the product and that we are a business specifically vested in your making purchases 😂 but really, both are super cool and we love the products and seriously know you will too!
Just got mine from my Brownells! S/N KM00729!!
PRE-ORDERED WWSD 2020 rifle from Brownell's months ago. No updates on on availability. It's April 2021 - when is this rifle shipping?
Ordered my lower yesterday.
Thank you!
@@brownells love ya Brownells. In a non threatening non gay like my own family way. You guys are awesome
Ok update. Tracking says it arrive my FFL on monday
Just picked it up. Woot!
took till 530 wed to clear Colorado background check. but it is a really stout unit- now we need the Stamp Of Hubris to be made and offered up for sale. this stock begs for politically incorrect stickers. i ll have some. are there any Lubrication restrictions for my new Lower?
One day, I would like to see a video of the wwsd rifle versus a wsdd( what Stoner did do) rifle ( also known as the A1).
Make a DPMS pattern AR10 lower like this. Just to help with weight.
Why would you want the lower to be lighter? That would make it balance and handle worse. You want to loose the forward weight.
LaRue MBT triggers will fit?
I have an MBT, once I get my lower and try it out I'm gonna make a post about it on reddit's r/guns and r/ar15 sub. I plan to do some drop and impact stuff to see if I can get the sear to let go.
Them and Polymer 80 should team up so we can have mail order ARs
There will not be an 80% for this lower. Regardless of the fact that the ATF has been hesitant to issue new rulings on 80% designs, it would require an entirely new set of polymer molds that would cost around half a million dollars in order to fashion an 80% polymer lower. It’s just not market viable.
@@cameronwilde7599 ATF have already passed a ruling on polymer lowers. When the 2 parts are molded, they are already considered a firearm.
Can't do an 80% for something like this. It isn't machined down from a solid piece of material, or built up like a 3D print-out. It basically comes out of the mold at 99%, and the other 1% is cleaning and finishing.
Is this the one with inputs from Ian Mcollum himself?
No thats the wwsd lower receiver it's built on the kp15 but listed differently
Why no polymer fore-end to go with it?
I've had 2 polymer lowers crack on the buffer tube area, any idea of the durability of this design?
This lower will not have any of
The issue that you have seen with other
Polymer lower.
The beat them up pretty good in this review.
th-cam.com/video/YQ451lbKW0o/w-d-xo.html
It will NEVER crack by the buffer tube area. That's why I want one real bad. I have a Windam Weaponry WWCF with a polymer upper and lower.
Has anyone attached a QD cup in the stock for sling yet? What kind did you purchase if so? Is their a way to make it ambi and have a QD cup on each side? Thanks.
I’ll take the drm with a 6.5 grn 22” barrel 👍 upper .
What happened to the PDQ ambi-bolt catch/release???
That is an exclusive to the complete rifles they are selling. You can always buy your own and modify the lower yourself but if you want it done by them it's only on the full rifle version, I've heard them explain it that due to how expensive that one single part is it makes the complete lowers with those installed cost like $600 or more and most people aren't gonna buy those so they limited it to the full rifle, that's how I remember it anyway don't hold me to it I could be wrong.
@@bdkj3e The last three pdq catches I bought were $65 a piece, and those were the nickel boron coated offering. The qpq nitrided one I bought was cheaper. Not sure how a $65 part adds up to a three fold plus increase in price. Labor for the mod would add to cost, but keeping to the original concept would have incorporated it into the mold.
Was only an exclusive to the wwsd2020 rifles
@@ArgosySpecOps The slot for the pdq lever has to be machined and cannot be made in the mold.
@@jayinbox A slot of the same depth & width present on the left side can't be molded continuously to the right side of the receiver? I guess my time doing work for Warminster Fiberglass has misinformed me. It's a slot. No variation in depth, or width. Nothing extraordinary about molding a continuous slot across the top.
Having that strap slot be a carved out hole instead of a sealed channel is a bit of a missed opportunity. If it were sealed, you could have made some in-stock storage for field cleaning kits or other "If-and-when" storage. Extra mag space or even spare parts. Plenty of room in these polymer stocks when they are hollowed out like that.
There is in stock storage, one of the guys with an early production test sample filled it with reeses pieces on demand of the discord. There wouldn't be quite as much space as you'd think - there is significant honeycombing to strengthen it.
@@dragomirw.844 Thanks for the info. Didn't know that. I guess an internal pocket for strengthening would cost more than honeycombing.
Ordered in February, any idea on a ship date?
Depends on what version you ordered. Milspec lowers have been completed at KE and sent to Brownells. Ambi/SLT lowers are being produced this week. Stripped lowers were set to begin production this week per the last updates from Sinistral. Complete rifles are still a bit TBD due to other parts and assembly.
Hello. Will a LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Trigger fit in a KE Arms KP-15 Lower Receivers? Thanks.
No.
LaRue parts don’t work in POS commie lowers.
@@coolbeardcat7447lol you fascists are so triggered.
Nothing communist about a private company making an innovative product, and wanting to sell that product to every American, regardless of race, sexual orientation, or creed.
Been waiting for these so I can build a WWSD AR-15 and then Canada decides to ban AR-15's. At least the final product look amazing for the guys who can own it!
Great products thank you
That polymer is hurting 😅🤷🏻♂️ 2:50
Just out of curiosity, can this mate to the BRN-180 upper?
Yes
Yes, but if I were you, I think the benefits of the BRN-180 upper and the KP-15 lower are at odds with each other. If you’ve got a BRN-180 upper, you should take advantage of the opportunity to put a side-folder on it. Plus, the gas piston system will be a little front-heavy with such a lightweight lower.
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Rifle length or carbine length buffer and spring? You said carbine. Is that right?
Yes, they said carbine.
Carbine. I asked Russel Phagan why they wouldnt use a rifle length buffer system (since its an A1 stock) for the advantages it offers and he explained that they learned that a rifle length buffer system doesnt leave much material in the rear and over time it will beat out the back of the stock. They really did their homework to build a tough long lasting lower.
@@Cube210 Thanks.
Wait, where can I find info on specific parts compatibility? I saw on the website that it needs a longer trigger pin for a flush look. But I'm hearing aftermarket ambi safeties (Radian, BAD) won't work? How about takedown pins?
Takedown pins will come with it. They have captured detents built into the pins so they come out HK style. No takedown pins and springs in the lower.
You can use a regular safety, but it'll be a pain in the ass to install, buy their safety.
Installation itself isn't so much the issue, it's getting a milspec safety to come back out that's an issue because the detent spring loads from the top.
All propriatary parts come with it, that being the pins and safety if you bought one that came with a trigger. ANy regular AR lower parts except for the trigger pins and takedown pins will work. Again it comes with the pins.
When y'all getting them FDE versons
Probably a two weeks to a month out from what's been published
4-6 weeks
When will you be able to export receivers again?
That’s cool. Do want
I hate that I have to ask but is this ca compliant?
Would a binary trigger fit this lower??
Pretty sure this lower is for Non-Binary only 😂
I'm confused, you said CARBINE buffer and spring, looks like rifle length buffer system. Is there a spacer built in the stock to run carbine length?
It has a carbine spring and buffer. Behind that is an integral molded polymer frame. They did this to avoid to action from busting out of the back of the gun. A rifle system wouldn't have enough support between the tube channel and the rear of the stock.
I asked that very question straight to Russell Phagan who explained that they had to beef up the rear for strength.
So you are going to stick a fixed stock on an AR carbine with a 16" barrel?? It should only go on the 20" barrel.
Why
@@gabemando7823 Defeats the purpose of a short barrel and looks like crap.
@@guyfawkesuThe1 it definitely doesn't look bad that's just subjective and it doesn't defeat the purpose of a short rifle as the fixed stock is pretty short. Look at inrange or forgotten weapons talk about this they go really in depth to the benefits.
@@walkmanstudios9733 I get the concept and I think the products are a great idea, especially the multi-color lowers. If I needed one I would buy one. However on 16" and smaller barrels they adjustable stocks are better.
Are these compatible with left hand uppers?
I would hazard a guess they will work with any upper that works with a normal mil-spec lower. Unless your LH upper interacts differently with the bolt catch or magazine release, I wouldn't worry about it.
@@JaronActual Thanks for the reply. I have a Stag LH upper just waiting to be coupled and since Stag is shutdown for now, this looks really good. Cheers
So do they crack where the butt stock meets the grip?
after alot of wear yes
@@munkbokYou don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@theREALdingusMD how so?
I want two of them.
Toe jam
You can still put a pre order in with Brownells. KE is pumping out a lower every 6 minutes so there will be plenty to go around for everyone.
I thought that the ambi lower was not going to be available outside of the entire WWSD2020 rifle, based on what Karl and Russell had said. Has that changed, then? The fully ambi lower will be available separately?
A "mostly" ambi version is available and what is shown and does not include an ambi bolt release PDQ lever. The "fully" ambi that does include it is what will be available only with the full rifle.
@@olivia-duke oooh, I see. thanks!
What you are reffering to is the WWSD2020 lower which will have the ambi bolt catch and release. KE Arms (Russel Phagan) says they are only doing it for the WWSD rifles as it signifigantly increases cost and manufacturing time.
Those features will come with the complete WWSD rifle.
And now they're all gone. Great.
You can thank Karl from InrangeTV for that one. This video is really funny to get recommended after all this time.
I know this might be a dumb question but can you replace the carbine buffer with a rifle buffer
No
@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 so do I have to get a different stock to use a rifle buffer tube
@@manlymanisaman6225 the lower is all one piece including an A1 length stock. The buffer is a standard carbine buffer and spring and will not accept a rifle buffer. The A1 length is to alllow more material to strengthen the rear end so the recoil doesn't damage it. Only carbine buffers and round springs, or the jp silent capture system are to be used in this particular type of lower.
@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 oh I see thanks
@@manlymanisaman6225 no problem.
Does it have the trap door for M&M storage?
Not in the grip, but the stock will accommodate a1/a2 butt plates with a door, maybe perfect for hotdogs, string cheese, perhaps a small banana. I’d imagine we’ll be able to fit a “standard size” bag of M&Ms and not the “fun size”we’ve been relegated to storing in the grip.I’m just speculating, I don’t have any solid data yet.
Ke arms sells a trap door butt plate now that someone makes for this
Does anyone know if these can be laser stippled? Just wondering because i might customize mine with a cool pattern or something. Not sure exactly yet, as im waiting for mine to deliver, but ive got a few ideas in mind.
Its polymer so it should be doable but we have yet to see anyone do this!
Does anyone know if an Echo/Binary trigger would or would not work in the stripped version?
Is their a storage compartment in the grip?
No, doing so would compromise the overall strength of the lower.
@@dragomirw.844 how?
@@collinis1 Closed contiguous material structure is stronger than open hollow forms. The area of the grip to the buffer is the primary weak point for polymer lowers not designed this way.
What about the complete wwsd guns?
They're coming soon, the KP15 going into full production was a prerequisite.
@@InrangeTv very cool. I want to support you guys and the only way is with the full rifle.
What makes the complete model "mil spec"?
What's military specifications are on the books for a plastic fixed stock lower with a semiauto FCG?
The fire control group is standard milspec style as opposed to the units with match triggers
@@SinistralRifleman So how much of his royalties from this is Karl going to donate to BLM?
@@rifleshooterchannel208 lmao
@@rifleshooterchannel208 probably all of it
@@kylew1432 I don't know about _all_ of it, I'm sure his girlfriend and her boyfriend need their rent paid too.
Will it work with my 556 heavy barrel upper
No reason it shouldn’t but that would defeat the original intent and purpose of the What Would Stoner Do (WWSD) projects (2017, 2020). That purpose was to return to Eugene Stoner’s vision of the AR15/M16 platform: lightweight, taking advantage of modern technology, and without sacrificing reliability and accuracy.
Originally the barrel was a pencil design and we didn’t have the heat treatment technique to make a pencil barrel that could hold up under high volumes of fire. So back then, they fixed the issue by making a thicker and heavier barrel. Nowadays we have the heat treating technology to make good pencil barrels. The WWSD project returned to that design as Stoner intended to make the gun as lightweight as possible. That’s why the lower is polymer: it’s lightweight and takes advantage of modern technology. Thus, putting a heavy barrel on this lower would defeat the whole point of developing this lower.
@@nicknaylor9895 thanks for the insight but unfortunately I’m in a state that requires heavy barrels. It’s been fairly reliable so far
@@nicknaylor9895 yes but this is just a kp15 not a wwsd project necessarily.
He didn't show us the stock's butt plate. Man I really wish this came in 80%!!
Its just a solid polymer plate.
sadly that would be impossible, this was molded as two halves and forced welded with a machine that costs as much as a top end corvette
These are made from molds, they aren't machined down from a block of material like the aluminum lowers are. They come out of the mold at 100% (or technically 99%) and are trimmed and cleaned. Also, I believe there was some kind of legality issue with making 80% polymer lowers, so between that and the sheer difficulty, it just wasn't worth doing.
So do these take regular ar lower parts?
yee
Safety will be a bitch, buy their safety or hate the process of installing it.
Some triggers that use anti rotation pins may not work due to the bigger front trigger pin being longer.
You don't need your own takedown pins, they come with the stripped version since they have the detents built into them
Do you make an ar 10 version?
Negative...
Huh, that's an interesting idea.
Nice ✌️
Can anyone order the KP-15 lower receiver or does that part count as a firearm and so I'd have no chance getting it sent to England?
The lower receiver of an ar15 is considered the firearm so unfortunately you most likely won't be able to get it shipped.
@@walkmanstudios9733 Thanks
Can I ask what the purpose of these are? I mean, why would someone choose this over a traditional lower set up. Thanks!
You should definitely watch Inrangetv/Forgotten weapons WWSD (what would Stoner do) Videos to get a better Idea, basically they set out to build an AR platform rifle with modern technology as Eugene Stoner might have done with access to modern materials/processes.
Arguably it's actually stronger than a traditional lower. InRangeTV's original WWSD videos show some of that.
It's lighter weight than a traditional lower.
Ian just released a video on his Forgotten Weapons channel on the complete history of this idea. Colt tried in in the 1960's because they also thought it might be worth it.
I highly recommend the InRange WWSD videos.
Increased rigidity for lower weight, simplification of parts, makes a great base with which to build a balanced "do anything" AR
@@legalboy71 if by “traditional lower” you mean an aluminum one, I’d say that’s still up for debate.
Now, a “traditional” polymer lower is absolutely inferior to this.
Plus it’s about a pound lighter than a similarly set up aluminum lower.
@@509Gman yes by "traditional lower" I did mean an aluminum one. And you are absolutely correct that whether this is stronger than an aluminum one is still "up for debate." That's what "arguably" means. I don't know if this is stronger or not, but I am aware of plausible arguments that it is. And those arguments absolutely could be a reason someone would consider this.
What is the weight? Website specs don’t list it
Per postings from KE Arms on various places (for example, FB), the completed lowers (including buffer and all FCG parts) are coming in right around 1.7 pound.
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@@TommyVee63 Holy fuck.....
@@Cube210 ?
Are the takedown pins plastic or metal?
Metal
plametal
They should make these in 80%
They cannot, as mold development is extremely expensive and time consuming and just wouldn't be economical for both the producer and the consumer
@@Daizenzetsu that and ATF says no on polymer 80%
I wonder if that grip angle will hurt its sales. I’d buy one if the grip angle was more vertical like a B5 or K2 or DD
What’s with everyone’s hardon for a vertical grip angle? These aren’t super shorty LOP SBR stocks.
Comfort and muscle endurance. Ask any Special Forces member who use any AR variant or even DMR operators, they will tell you exactly that.
For the shooter who only fires an average of 100-250 rounds a year, it doesn’t matter at all.
Does it come with ammo?
Yep, 1000 rounds.
10,000 rounds
About time
00:01:00 you didn't explain this properly. Have to spell it out for people. When you build 1:1 copies of milspec ar15 lowers (originally designed to be made from metal) out of polymer, you have failures.