I don't think the romantic type of love is special and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death. I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is. Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse.
Romantic love is inferior to platonic love. Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love. The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake.
Nothing demonstrates the whole "undefined and unclear" aspect of the first revival like the Oktoberfest episode. Leela breaks up with fry in front of dozens of people, and instead of being sad about the end of the relationship Fry's is just happy to find out they were _in_ a relationship in the first place Apparently, he hadn't been sure
Meanwhile is one of my favorite episodes of the entire show. I remember being in my mid-teens, watching Fry and Leela live their lives and ending up a married couple after everything they've been through together. And seeing the first episode air immediately after the ending for the first time is something I could never forget
Yeah but i just watched the second ep of season 6 the other day and it seemed like they were so in love on the first episode but somehow she ends up doing that weird shit with branigan without even giving a shit about fry even tho she did show some affection before leaving earth ....i just don't get that part...kinda boils me up a little too tbh ...like i get it she thought she had to repopulate the human race again but she didn't really seemed too concerned about having to forget about fry ...can y'all convince me she ain't a hoe cus i feel so bad about fry even tho it's all fictional it's still kinda messed up
I think that the reason why Leela keeps getting assholes is because Leela had very little self respect at the start and slowly grew out of that. Fry just screwed up every relationship he was in because he was childish. Their relationships basically helped pave the path forwards for them as people.
And I also believe that they both helped each other to rectify those flaws because fry have the most respect for her and show her that she’s worth something and Leela shows fry that he’s more then just the childish delivey boy and they both have something that they didn’t have in other relationships, they love each other
What Futurama got right was that Fry and Leela had relationships with other people and they weren't secretly pinning for each other during them. They committed to there current relationships.
Well, to be perfectly honest in my humble opinion without being sentimental, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in distinct perspective and without condemning anyone's view and by trying to make it objectified and by considering each and everyone's valid opinion I honestly believe that I vividly don't have anything to say. Thank you.
I watched this when i was young (like to young for it to be considered something I should watch) and I loved it so much this video has made me put it in my list of things to watch because I really wanna watch it again now understanding what's actually happening 😂
I wonder, given that they’ve already shown Fry and Leela getting married and growing old together, if the next ‘will they won’t they’ will be whether or not they have kids, since that’s the one milestone they haven’t ever done, saved for a scrapped concept from one of the movies.
I can see them having kids, especially adopting considering Leela’s childhood and her habit through the show of nurturing any animal that comes her way and needs her help
@@adrivoid5376 If done well, an adoption route would be a cool way to introduce a new character to the show. I Leela was already willing to adopt with another dude, so I could see an episode that involves and ends with a houseless kid with some kind of deformity to tug on Leela's heartstrings, who's also projected to have a rough life with no future ahead of them, something Fry would of course sympathize with, and them deciding to go for it. Bonus points if the kid definitely has some bad habits/personality traits to overcome similar to Fry having to overcome his laziness, that'll make raising the kid right difficult but endearing and touching for Fry and Leela while giving the new character some actual character development. I just realized any kid Fry and Leela would have would be default get a fun uncle Bender. Tell me there aren't a hundred funny episodes you could write just rolling with that premise alone.
Personally, they're my overall favorite cartoon couple because their story feels so real. Fry had to grow up and Leela had to work through the abandonment issues and trauma of her childhood for them to get together, and even then, it wasn't an immediate success for them. They had to keep working with each other and finding a way back together to get there. And when they finally figured it out, they became so, so good together. They really do set the bar for every animated relationship imo
21:05 I also think a big problem is the fact that most people don't know how to write a relationship, because they either haven't been in one, or they haven't been in a health one. Not to mention that it is presumed that most of the readers of comics are children, teens, or losers with zero game.
I mostly agree with you. Part of that comes from the writers not treating the love interest as an interesting character in their own right with their own autonomy and motivations, but as an add-on for the main character, so it's just not possible to know how to write the relationship even if the writer has experience in a good one because one of the characters doesn't feel like a real person. And I sincerely believe that a lot of kids, teens, and losers with zero game are comfortable reading about relationships; I think they just don't like poorly written and forced relationships or those filled with red flags (if they can recognize these for the disturbing things that they are), although some of the people in those demographics may suck it up and continue reading anyway because that's what they have to do to enjoy the characters that they actually like or else to get their romantic fix in the medium of their choice. (And Heterosexual Compulsion is a hell of a drug!) I mean, if everyone wrote about terrible friendships that weren't funny versus well-written healthy friendships it'd be the same situation. It's not as if most people don't like friends because they don't have any. (Well, okay, this is the internet lol but you know what I mean!) Edit: I forgot to add, the only reason kids dislike romantic relationships is honestly because of the patriarchy and misogyny. Kids are smart even if they don't really understand what's wrong and why because everyone else takes it for granted; they simply internalize what adults teach them about being an adult one day. Another reason they don't like coercion or red flags; the only reason to ignore them is because someone else tries to say they're normal. ALSO I think another problem is when writers assume that a relationship must show evidence/hints of sex or that the relationship should replace the entire plot once it takes off and that scares the writer from doing anything except the will-they-won't-they or something else more shallow to keep the end at bay. IMHO the Owl House is the strongest proof that a great, well-written romantic relationship of any age can be shown with sincere, healthy love and without going beyond PG; both characters being fleshed out and made interesting while still giving other characters room to shine. Don't get me wrong, I'm down with more mature depictions of relationships but obviously kids wouldn't want that and shouldn't be shown certain things. This ties into what I'm trying to explain about the writer assuming there needs to be strong implications of sex to make the relationship seem legitimate or that this is what a relationship is and nothing else. I feel like male writers, especially in comic books, fall into this trap the easiest, especially when pandering to the male gaze and so it's off-putting for a variety of people. Like, it was mentioned that Spiderman was better known as a teenager which is why they dropped the Mary Jane romance but I genuinely had no idea he started out that way and then I generally forgot even when I did know because honestly? Him and Mary Jane as a couple are iconic plus I remember Peter having a ball-bashing boss, not Peter being a nerd boy in high school or college. Edit: lol my train of thought got wrecked; I was trying to say Peter and MJ as a couple was more than that, it worked okay, although I can't claim it was perfect. I don't think Peter without her is automatically better off and they made it work for 20 years so ya know... and people liked that! Some got upset about the breakup. That's why I love that the first Spiderverse movie references this and also gets them back together in a reasonably realistic way.
@@DoveJS Another problem when it comes to romance in comics that also translates to manga and anime as well is that the writers (who are mostly male) think like this: "Only girls care about romance, and girls are not going to read/watch this. Our readers/watchers are teens and losers who are over 30 and have never been with a woman. They want to see sex, not talking about feelings!"
When it comes to Spider-Man it's a lot more of a nostalgia thing I think, writers and editors believe he's at his best miserable and alone, which is ridiculous but I think it's how they see it cause marrying Peter to them made him old
Fry and Leela are very sweet together in Futurama. I love that they got married right before it got cancelled although now I really want to see more of them especially since Futurama came back.🧡💜
Well for that theres two reasons 1 because its famous and succesfull ( big shock ) 2 maybe might be because simpsons doesnt has a story and it was made for just a family having funny moments like family guy meanwhile futurama even it has funny episodes that has nothing to do with the story but it did had an actual story
Been watching this show since my middle school days. Fry and Leela are honestly one of my favorite couples though I mostly watched the series more for the crazy space adventures and the characters being lovable idiots to each other when I was a kid.
20:10 That is exactly the reason why my interest in the Dragon Prince fell off a cliff. While I realize that some of what happened was out of their control, the writers did screw up the main couple, Callum and Rayla. In seasons 1 to 3, the were getting closer until they officially started a relationship towards the end of season 3. But then the writers continued the story in a comic that broke them up again, and when the show finally returned with season 4, and now with season 5 as well, Callum and Rayla are still not as close as they were in season 3. I was exited to see what I thought to be not your typical will-they-wont-they trash until the very last episode of the show, only for the writers to ruin the relationship in a comic, and having them still not made up their mind on where their relationship stands at the end of season 5, out of 7 seasons planned.
Futurama is one of those shows that’s so good and so deep, none of the “return from the dead” stuff ever bothered me…it was always a celebration. To be honest, it’s just about the only show that could ever get that type of fanfare out of me…with the exception of king of the hill which, thus far, only has one cancellation/return slated. I can’t WAIT for that one…
People can say whatever they want about your (often well written, perceptive, and thought-provoking) takes, but one thing they can't slander is your love and passion for entertainment. You're the kind of reviewer/critic who cares as much about the creatives themselves as you do about their creations, and I respect that. Thank you for your Fry x Leela relationship analysis, and for talking about the strikes.
I also love that in that finale. There is no dialogue no real sounds just the music and visuals and it really really makes that scene something special
Fry and Leela were practically my first ship since I started watching it as a kid. And that was when it was only out in separate volumes. At the time I only had a couple of them, Season 1 -vol 3 and Season 2-vol 1 and in those, I would notice hints of Fry developing feelings for Leela. And It wasn't until I bought the complete season 4 DVD I didn't think it was gonna be the final season. Eventually was able to see every episode in order later on I understood everything. It was an incredible journey for sure.
There are many jobs that are stuck way below the cost of living, with many being physically, mentally, and emotionally taxing, with barely health benefits, and most of the time none. And then the people who struggle to keep working, or can't keep up with, find, or want to put up with those kinds of jobs anymore, are being called lazy and lay abouts, or mocked for whining, when they're just trying to explain their health issues, experiences, and reasons for not working. It's all about keeping people as replaceable unthinking cogs in the corporate machine.
happy to see the psa at the end, never cross a picket line and always support the workers, i'll try to donate when i have a bit in my pocket to do so ^^
Being someone who as never seen the show only have been an outside observer, I thought that they've been together for a longer time during the show. Now I just want to see it all.
kinda seemed more like Fry was putting more effort in their relationship trying to change himself all the time like waiting for Leela to wake up from a coma that could've killed them no came to the hospital when he got runover she was disgusted when he turned himself into a mutant she couldn't even give him a handshake he said he was willing to stay with leela even when she became an octopus lady I still like their relationship though that they stayed together when time froze
To be fair, when Fry tried to change just for Leela, it wasn't fair to either of them, regardless of her exact response. Fry should want to change to improve his own life for his own benefit and to do less harm by being more thoughtful towards others while Leela shouldn't accept people who try to force her to change for *their* benefit or to fulfill the role that they expect her to play, without any thought for her well-being and autonomy. So, even if she has a shallow or bad response towards him, while that isn't necessarily good, if she accepts Fry pandering to what she wants or to what Fry thinks she wants then Leela is just reenacting what the other men in her life did to her. That's not true growth; it's just a fawning performance. It's why Fry got so worried when he couldn't be certain if Leela only loved the worm-ridden him or if she loved him regardless and the changes allowed that to shine through. Basically, if Fry is putting in all the effort, it doesn't work out if he's just trying to mold himself to her expectations without really being a good person and the same is true for Leela. It works when Fry is being considerate and so is she. (But also it probably didn't help that the writers sometimes couldn't decide what they were doing later on lol.)
Oh I loved that first episode of the return so much. The fact they've doubled down on them instead of doing a "will they won't they?" Also yes Seymore will always win for tragic love story, and years on, still pulls at my heartstrings. Why's it raining in my office?
Gotta say, the Tangled series did the couple dynamic the best in my opinion. They already had the movie as a starting point and the short film as the end so all they could play with was the Eugene and Rapunzel dynamic and it feels very natural.
I disagree that Futurama got away with it because 'comedy'. I feel one thing that made FryxLeela work is that the show never lost sight that it was an ensemble comedy and never became the FryxLeela show. Like the episode that broke everyone's heart's Jurassic Bark didn't have anything to do with Fry and Leela's relationship. Overclockwise was mainly a Bender episode with Fry and Leela as more of a background thing. The show didn't rise and fall on their relationship, which is why it worked.
This show made me "shoot my shot" when I guy I saw looked at me once and it was like slow motion in my mind. 3 years strong and I have been extremly honest with everyone I've met for the past 3 years. I have 5 friends now. The real ones
Great video! This was my favorite ship of all time. What I like most is that the dynamic is always them, but the relationship shifts about every season or two. I think because they didn't intend for them to end up together, the writers took the time to develop both characters a satisfying way that left Leela as much more than "just the love interest for the main character". It allowed the relationship to develop naturally like it would IRL. Season 6 was frustrating at the time, but I can appreciate it now. They stated they weren't yet together, but clearly acted much closer than before the movies. I'm so happy the show is back and it's good! I can't wait to see how they handle fry and leela. I hear good things...
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I rewatch this show on a yearly basis and I'm so happy for the new season. Though i really just wanna grow old and be like professor Farnsworth and become unhinged but like loveable
I completely support the strike going on. Asking for a livable wage and protection against AI are completely reasonable requests. No one should be forced into being abused like cogs, and hard work deserves to be appreciated. It's morally unjust for anyone, especially large industries, to treat their workers like unvalued replacable slaves
Sounds like Futrarama is one of the few shows that know how to do romance properly and/or do romance in the will or won't they way in a way that doesn't annoy people to the point of just tuning out.
Fry and Leela are one of my favorite cartoon couples. Actually both of them are tied with Bob and Linda Blecher as my favorite as I honestly can’t choose. But seriously, I really enjoy their chemistry and I love how both developed over time. Fry is an example of a sympathetic comedic character. He’s childish, immature at times, and isn’t the smartest character in Futurama but he has an incredibly big heart. He doesn’t force himself onto Leela when she says no. He’s persistent but he doesn’t do anything to harm her. He has a boyish charm and wants to do everything he can to make her happy. Even when he messes up, he doesn’t do it intentionally and even when he does, he almost instantly regrets it. In Season 6, he wanted nothing more than to end the relationship between Lars and Leela. After Lars left Leela at the alter, Fry was at first happy but when he saw Leela crying, he felt bad and later, when Leela talked about Lars, Fry decided to try and get them back together; however, neither one knew that Lars was Fry from an alternate time where he resumed his old life. Fry’s life throughout the series is chaotic, adventurous and tragic. With what Fry and Leela had been through, from being friends to having trouble finding that special someone, they really are a great couple, even if others tend to disagree.
Enjoyed the video and also REALLY appreciate your clip at the end for the unions. (I'm an actor in Equity in the UK and giving all my solidarity to you all striking for fairer conditions)
To the idea of it being Hard to Write a couple, it's harder to write a active couple because you can't just have that Sike moment or worse the "Fake-out Break-up" BS. Like it's not as easy to write drama, allegedly; yet also the whole if we give people what the want they'll leave BS, despite that if you give the fans what they want they'll want to watch it.
I didnt realize I'd been wathching Futurama so close to its original run. I think I started in 04 with it on Comedy Central, and then I remember when the Films were being broken up, I dead ass thought that happened in the 2010's XD I still remember the hole opening up to start the Beast with a Thousand backs. I also think that Fry and Lila had a big role in shaping my relationship life lol
Something I notice, every one of their show finales' ended with Fry and Leela holding hands, Devil's hands are idle playthings, it was on holophonor but I think it still counts.
Dear Sarcastic Chorus, please make a video or 2 about an older canadian show called "Detentionare"? It was a great mystery show that also had some shipping stuff that I think you might like, especially if the show wasn't cut early.
They skip from the marriage to the divorce in that episode because they have no memory of the skips Fry moved the stars It skips to them being married Leela doesnt remember anything before the skip So things continue on and she divorces fry because she doesnt remember what he did Then they skip to the divorce and they forget the inbetween They dont gain their memory back when they start skipping again
Yo, great video as always Chorus! I dunno where else to request some ships that I'm surprised you haven't talked about yet so I'll just do it here lol: -Lazlo x Patsy -Timmy X Tootie -Rigleen -Miles x Gwen -Gumball x Penny Happy studying XD
Came for the Helluva Boss analysis, and stayed for my favorite show Futurama. Never thought I'd see it on this channel but I loved it. But you forgot to mention how Leela loves Fry's boyish charm but hates his childish immaturity. (My favorite quote of Leela describing Fry... the indecisiveness is palpable)
the comedy central only survives because it´s the south park original home. And yeat, they still make a lot of bad shows and how they get any audience or more seasosn, it´s a mistery.
Something I’ve noticed in the later Comedy Central era episodes and the Hulu revival is that they seem to have matured Fry slightly and made Leela a bit immature. Whether this was intentional or not, it is a good call as it shows character growth and how they are willing to work hard for each other.
what's it like for you people to be so not damaged you can't understand how two people can disappoint each other or push each other away to protect themselves, or not be sure themselves where their relationship stands, and you can definitely be sure you love one another and want to be in each other's lives without being sure in what capacity in the long term?
Has anyone made a video on fry’s character and how most of the people in his life who seemed to have little care for him found new love for him or revealed their concealed feelings for him after his disappearance from their lives?
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20:44 not a bad hot take for her. Here mine either make this character much younger to reflect an actual Aunt may being 30 to about 50ish (in most comics Peter is a teen or early twenties so this works) or call her Grandma May and letter her past from old age cause I don't want to here this 70+ year old woman is somehow an aunt to a highschool /college kid.
I feel a little crazy for saying this but seeing Leela and Fry actually develop as people as well as a possible couple really made me happy
I agreed
I don't think the romantic type of love is special and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death.
I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is.
Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse.
Romantic love is inferior to platonic love. Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake.
@@searain1573 this is about a cartoon couple,dude are you alright?
Nothing demonstrates the whole "undefined and unclear" aspect of the first revival like the Oktoberfest episode. Leela breaks up with fry in front of dozens of people, and instead of being sad about the end of the relationship Fry's is just happy to find out they were _in_ a relationship in the first place
Apparently, he hadn't been sure
Meanwhile is one of my favorite episodes of the entire show. I remember being in my mid-teens, watching Fry and Leela live their lives and ending up a married couple after everything they've been through together. And seeing the first episode air immediately after the ending for the first time is something I could never forget
I remember crying at the montage where they explore the world as they grow up together when I was 11 lolll
Its the late philip J fry for me for very similar reasons.
For some reason, this was one show I didn't feel so bad about when they dragged the "will they won't they" plot out that long
Because it was at best a d plot and the relationship does progress thruout the series
Yeah, it's weirdly appropriate for these particular characters.
Yeah but i just watched the second ep of season 6 the other day and it seemed like they were so in love on the first episode but somehow she ends up doing that weird shit with branigan without even giving a shit about fry even tho she did show some affection before leaving earth ....i just don't get that part...kinda boils me up a little too tbh ...like i get it she thought she had to repopulate the human race again but she didn't really seemed too concerned about having to forget about fry ...can y'all convince me she ain't a hoe cus i feel so bad about fry even tho it's all fictional it's still kinda messed up
Sorry for the long essay but i need therapy after that episode
I think that the reason why Leela keeps getting assholes is because Leela had very little self respect at the start and slowly grew out of that. Fry just screwed up every relationship he was in because he was childish. Their relationships basically helped pave the path forwards for them as people.
And I also believe that they both helped each other to rectify those flaws because fry have the most respect for her and show her that she’s worth something and Leela shows fry that he’s more then just the childish delivey boy and they both have something that they didn’t have in other relationships, they love each other
0:53 seriously I can't ;_; that dog deserved so much better!! I cry everytime I see that clip
I weep as well. Seymour was a loyal and a great dog. RIP Seymour.
Every gosh darn time! They get me every time.
@@punkbjork I will wait for you by Connie Francis.
What Futurama got right was that Fry and Leela had relationships with other people and they weren't secretly pinning for each other during them. They committed to there current relationships.
Unlike Aggretsuko, where Haida constantly wanted be with her even when he was with someone else.
Leela probably knew Fry's relationships weren't going to last...
I know the Simpsons is probably more iconic but Futurama is Matt Groening's Magnum Opus in my opinion it's such a delight to watch and re-watch
Agreed. I've rewatched the Fox run sm times
Dear Sarcastic Chorus, I know you probably won’t read this message, so because of that, I have nothing to say
Well, to be perfectly honest in my humble opinion without being sentimental, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in distinct perspective and without condemning anyone's view and by trying to make it objectified and by considering each and everyone's valid opinion I honestly believe that I vividly don't have anything to say. Thank you.
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I'm sobbing, what a great message, sadly I also have nothing to say
Beautiful 😭
Wow…
I desperately need to rewatch this show after 7 years.
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well perfect time with the new season just launching
I watched this when i was young (like to young for it to be considered something I should watch) and I loved it so much this video has made me put it in my list of things to watch because I really wanna watch it again now understanding what's actually happening 😂
I wonder, given that they’ve already shown Fry and Leela getting married and growing old together, if the next ‘will they won’t they’ will be whether or not they have kids, since that’s the one milestone they haven’t ever done, saved for a scrapped concept from one of the movies.
I can see them having kids, especially adopting considering Leela’s childhood and her habit through the show of nurturing any animal that comes her way and needs her help
I wouldn’t expect to see that till the show creators are ready to call the show the end for real since all the cancellations have been by the platform
@@adrivoid5376 If done well, an adoption route would be a cool way to introduce a new character to the show. I Leela was already willing to adopt with another dude, so I could see an episode that involves and ends with a houseless kid with some kind of deformity to tug on Leela's heartstrings, who's also projected to have a rough life with no future ahead of them, something Fry would of course sympathize with, and them deciding to go for it. Bonus points if the kid definitely has some bad habits/personality traits to overcome similar to Fry having to overcome his laziness, that'll make raising the kid right difficult but endearing and touching for Fry and Leela while giving the new character some actual character development.
I just realized any kid Fry and Leela would have would be default get a fun uncle Bender. Tell me there aren't a hundred funny episodes you could write just rolling with that premise alone.
GREAT FUTURAMA LEELA AND FRY EXCELLENT.
Considering Fry's babies got zapped with F-Rays and Leela grew up as an orphan, they can definitely adopt
Personally, they're my overall favorite cartoon couple because their story feels so real. Fry had to grow up and Leela had to work through the abandonment issues and trauma of her childhood for them to get together, and even then, it wasn't an immediate success for them. They had to keep working with each other and finding a way back together to get there. And when they finally figured it out, they became so, so good together. They really do set the bar for every animated relationship imo
21:05 I also think a big problem is the fact that most people don't know how to write a relationship, because they either haven't been in one, or they haven't been in a health one. Not to mention that it is presumed that most of the readers of comics are children, teens, or losers with zero game.
I mostly agree with you. Part of that comes from the writers not treating the love interest as an interesting character in their own right with their own autonomy and motivations, but as an add-on for the main character, so it's just not possible to know how to write the relationship even if the writer has experience in a good one because one of the characters doesn't feel like a real person. And I sincerely believe that a lot of kids, teens, and losers with zero game are comfortable reading about relationships; I think they just don't like poorly written and forced relationships or those filled with red flags (if they can recognize these for the disturbing things that they are), although some of the people in those demographics may suck it up and continue reading anyway because that's what they have to do to enjoy the characters that they actually like or else to get their romantic fix in the medium of their choice. (And Heterosexual Compulsion is a hell of a drug!) I mean, if everyone wrote about terrible friendships that weren't funny versus well-written healthy friendships it'd be the same situation. It's not as if most people don't like friends because they don't have any. (Well, okay, this is the internet lol but you know what I mean!)
Edit: I forgot to add, the only reason kids dislike romantic relationships is honestly because of the patriarchy and misogyny. Kids are smart even if they don't really understand what's wrong and why because everyone else takes it for granted; they simply internalize what adults teach them about being an adult one day. Another reason they don't like coercion or red flags; the only reason to ignore them is because someone else tries to say they're normal.
ALSO I think another problem is when writers assume that a relationship must show evidence/hints of sex or that the relationship should replace the entire plot once it takes off and that scares the writer from doing anything except the will-they-won't-they or something else more shallow to keep the end at bay. IMHO the Owl House is the strongest proof that a great, well-written romantic relationship of any age can be shown with sincere, healthy love and without going beyond PG; both characters being fleshed out and made interesting while still giving other characters room to shine. Don't get me wrong, I'm down with more mature depictions of relationships but obviously kids wouldn't want that and shouldn't be shown certain things.
This ties into what I'm trying to explain about the writer assuming there needs to be strong implications of sex to make the relationship seem legitimate or that this is what a relationship is and nothing else. I feel like male writers, especially in comic books, fall into this trap the easiest, especially when pandering to the male gaze and so it's off-putting for a variety of people. Like, it was mentioned that Spiderman was better known as a teenager which is why they dropped the Mary Jane romance but I genuinely had no idea he started out that way and then I generally forgot even when I did know because honestly? Him and Mary Jane as a couple are iconic plus I remember Peter having a ball-bashing boss, not Peter being a nerd boy in high school or college. Edit: lol my train of thought got wrecked; I was trying to say Peter and MJ as a couple was more than that, it worked okay, although I can't claim it was perfect. I don't think Peter without her is automatically better off and they made it work for 20 years so ya know... and people liked that! Some got upset about the breakup. That's why I love that the first Spiderverse movie references this and also gets them back together in a reasonably realistic way.
@@DoveJS Another problem when it comes to romance in comics that also translates to manga and anime as well is that the writers (who are mostly male) think like this: "Only girls care about romance, and girls are not going to read/watch this. Our readers/watchers are teens and losers who are over 30 and have never been with a woman. They want to see sex, not talking about feelings!"
When it comes to Spider-Man it's a lot more of a nostalgia thing I think, writers and editors believe he's at his best miserable and alone, which is ridiculous but I think it's how they see it cause marrying Peter to them made him old
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spider-girl handled the relationship really well
Seeing Fry and Leela's relationship is Why I'm beyond excited for the Hulu Revival and I've been loving Futurama for years
Fry and Leela are very sweet together in Futurama. I love that they got married right before it got cancelled although now I really want to see more of them especially since Futurama came back.🧡💜
I love how Leela and Fry are soulmates, it took time for them to develop
If only the Simpsons were given a proper ending and Futurama could go on for decades.
Well for that theres two reasons
1 because its famous and succesfull ( big shock )
2 maybe might be because simpsons doesnt has a story and it was made for just a family having funny moments like family guy meanwhile futurama even it has funny episodes that has nothing to do with the story but it did had an actual story
Monkeys paw moment
"A man can dream, right? A man can dream." - Prof. Farnsworth (Anthology of Interest I)
Been watching this show since my middle school days. Fry and Leela are honestly one of my favorite couples though I mostly watched the series more for the crazy space adventures and the characters being lovable idiots to each other when I was a kid.
20:10 That is exactly the reason why my interest in the Dragon Prince fell off a cliff. While I realize that some of what happened was out of their control, the writers did screw up the main couple, Callum and Rayla. In seasons 1 to 3, the were getting closer until they officially started a relationship towards the end of season 3. But then the writers continued the story in a comic that broke them up again, and when the show finally returned with season 4, and now with season 5 as well, Callum and Rayla are still not as close as they were in season 3.
I was exited to see what I thought to be not your typical will-they-wont-they trash until the very last episode of the show, only for the writers to ruin the relationship in a comic, and having them still not made up their mind on where their relationship stands at the end of season 5, out of 7 seasons planned.
Futurama is one of those shows that’s so good and so deep, none of the “return from the dead” stuff ever bothered me…it was always a celebration. To be honest, it’s just about the only show that could ever get that type of fanfare out of me…with the exception of king of the hill which, thus far, only has one cancellation/return slated. I can’t WAIT for that one…
People can say whatever they want about your (often well written, perceptive, and thought-provoking) takes, but one thing they can't slander is your love and passion for entertainment. You're the kind of reviewer/critic who cares as much about the creatives themselves as you do about their creations, and I respect that. Thank you for your Fry x Leela relationship analysis, and for talking about the strikes.
Thank you for spreading the word about the writers and actors strike!
I also love that in that finale. There is no dialogue no real sounds just the music and visuals and it really really makes that scene something special
Confession - sometimes I imagine snapshots of my daily life playing like a youtube video while Sarcastic Chorus analyzes my relationship dynamic.
I am so happy with the new season even with just one episode and the reception from fans. The world is whole once again
Fry and Leela were practically my first ship since I started watching it as a kid. And that was when it was only out in separate volumes. At the time I only had a couple of them, Season 1 -vol 3 and Season 2-vol 1 and in those, I would notice hints of Fry developing feelings for Leela. And It wasn't until I bought the complete season 4 DVD I didn't think it was gonna be the final season. Eventually was able to see every episode in order later on I understood everything. It was an incredible journey for sure.
I'm happy that you explained what the writer's strike is because I always hear about it, but didn't know the details
There are many jobs that are stuck way below the cost of living, with many being physically, mentally, and emotionally taxing, with barely health benefits, and most of the time none. And then the people who struggle to keep working, or can't keep up with, find, or want to put up with those kinds of jobs anymore, are being called lazy and lay abouts, or mocked for whining, when they're just trying to explain their health issues, experiences, and reasons for not working. It's all about keeping people as replaceable unthinking cogs in the corporate machine.
0:52 he NEVER forgot. The Best Boy. 🐕🐕🐕🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶
happy to see the psa at the end, never cross a picket line and always support the workers, i'll try to donate when i have a bit in my pocket to do so ^^
Happy to hear you are in solidarity with the strike. Now Amazon and Walmart need to join in 💪🏾
futurama is the type of show to take the status quo page in the rule book and rip it right out.
10:20 Bro chocked so hard that Matt Ryan would feel bad for him
Being someone who as never seen the show only have been an outside observer, I thought that they've been together for a longer time during the show. Now I just want to see it all.
This couple is perfection and there is nothing wrong with it
kinda seemed more like Fry was putting more effort in their relationship trying to change himself all the time like waiting for Leela to wake up from a coma that could've killed them no came to the hospital when he got runover she was disgusted when he turned himself into a mutant she couldn't even give him a handshake he said he was willing to stay with leela even when she became an octopus lady I still like their relationship though that they stayed together when time froze
To be fair, when Fry tried to change just for Leela, it wasn't fair to either of them, regardless of her exact response. Fry should want to change to improve his own life for his own benefit and to do less harm by being more thoughtful towards others while Leela shouldn't accept people who try to force her to change for *their* benefit or to fulfill the role that they expect her to play, without any thought for her well-being and autonomy.
So, even if she has a shallow or bad response towards him, while that isn't necessarily good, if she accepts Fry pandering to what she wants or to what Fry thinks she wants then Leela is just reenacting what the other men in her life did to her. That's not true growth; it's just a fawning performance. It's why Fry got so worried when he couldn't be certain if Leela only loved the worm-ridden him or if she loved him regardless and the changes allowed that to shine through. Basically, if Fry is putting in all the effort, it doesn't work out if he's just trying to mold himself to her expectations without really being a good person and the same is true for Leela. It works when Fry is being considerate and so is she. (But also it probably didn't help that the writers sometimes couldn't decide what they were doing later on lol.)
God I've waited for you to make this kind of video. All I need now is Mat Pat covering this show and I will feel complete again
Oh I loved that first episode of the return so much. The fact they've doubled down on them instead of doing a "will they won't they?" Also yes Seymore will always win for tragic love story, and years on, still pulls at my heartstrings. Why's it raining in my office?
Gotta say, the Tangled series did the couple dynamic the best in my opinion. They already had the movie as a starting point and the short film as the end so all they could play with was the Eugene and Rapunzel dynamic and it feels very natural.
I disagree that Futurama got away with it because 'comedy'. I feel one thing that made FryxLeela work is that the show never lost sight that it was an ensemble comedy and never became the FryxLeela show.
Like the episode that broke everyone's heart's Jurassic Bark didn't have anything to do with Fry and Leela's relationship. Overclockwise was mainly a Bender episode with Fry and Leela as more of a background thing.
The show didn't rise and fall on their relationship, which is why it worked.
This show made me "shoot my shot" when I guy I saw looked at me once and it was like slow motion in my mind. 3 years strong and I have been extremly honest with everyone I've met for the past 3 years. I have 5 friends now. The real ones
I missed this show so much, Fry and Leela had an incredibly sweet romance that blossomed naturally so I didn't mind the Will They-Won't They trope 💗
Okay now I want a RWBY shipping episode. That would be fun and have no issues whatsoever.
>There are less memorable men on the roster
>Shows one of the most memorable characters on Futurama
Great video! This was my favorite ship of all time. What I like most is that the dynamic is always them, but the relationship shifts about every season or two. I think because they didn't intend for them to end up together, the writers took the time to develop both characters a satisfying way that left Leela as much more than "just the love interest for the main character". It allowed the relationship to develop naturally like it would IRL. Season 6 was frustrating at the time, but I can appreciate it now. They stated they weren't yet together, but clearly acted much closer than before the movies. I'm so happy the show is back and it's good! I can't wait to see how they handle fry and leela. I hear good things...
Hey Sarcastic erm idk if you'll see this but if not I understand I get overwhelmed with the like 6 comments I got on a video and that's fine but I just wanted to say I've been watching your stuff for a long time and I really like it and it was so good it gave me the confidence to start my own little TH-cam channel only sitting at like 3 subscribers rn lol but I hope one day I can be as charismatic and likeable as you so thanks and keep producing these amazing videos 😊
Wish you the best of luck!
@@SarcasticChorus thank you :)
I rewatch this show on a yearly basis and I'm so happy for the new season. Though i really just wanna grow old and be like professor Farnsworth and become unhinged but like loveable
I can never get over that Fry shares his name with the trope for Forced Romantic Interest.
you have a way with words, very poetic
I completely support the strike going on. Asking for a livable wage and protection against AI are completely reasonable requests. No one should be forced into being abused like cogs, and hard work deserves to be appreciated. It's morally unjust for anyone, especially large industries, to treat their workers like unvalued replacable slaves
7:10 love the shade at miraculous ladybug lmfao
A great ship and and love your content.
"And that didn't happen" is my all time favorite line.
Absolutely agree with your lukewarm take, John Stewart is best Lantern hands-down.
Sounds like Futrarama is one of the few shows that know how to do romance properly and/or do romance in the will or won't they way in a way that doesn't annoy people to the point of just tuning out.
I loved the ending episode
Don't worry, bee happy!
Man, That episode gets me every time. 🐝
🧡💜
3:06 the monkey had it comming!
21:54 made me forcibly remember the entire episode and cry at work
This was a fantastic video about one of the best parts of Futurama.
...And yet my favorite part was that one line about the Justice League! 🤣
Loved the new episode and cant wait to see their new progress from here!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤
This is where the fun begins 😂
Fry and Leela are one of my favorite cartoon couples. Actually both of them are tied with Bob and Linda Blecher as my favorite as I honestly can’t choose.
But seriously, I really enjoy their chemistry and I love how both developed over time. Fry is an example of a sympathetic comedic character. He’s childish, immature at times, and isn’t the smartest character in Futurama but he has an incredibly big heart. He doesn’t force himself onto Leela when she says no. He’s persistent but he doesn’t do anything to harm her. He has a boyish charm and wants to do everything he can to make her happy. Even when he messes up, he doesn’t do it intentionally and even when he does, he almost instantly regrets it. In Season 6, he wanted nothing more than to end the relationship between Lars and Leela. After Lars left Leela at the alter, Fry was at first happy but when he saw Leela crying, he felt bad and later, when Leela talked about Lars, Fry decided to try and get them back together; however, neither one knew that Lars was Fry from an alternate time where he resumed his old life. Fry’s life throughout the series is chaotic, adventurous and tragic.
With what Fry and Leela had been through, from being friends to having trouble finding that special someone, they really are a great couple, even if others tend to disagree.
Ikr 😊
Enjoyed the video and also REALLY appreciate your clip at the end for the unions. (I'm an actor in Equity in the UK and giving all my solidarity to you all striking for fairer conditions)
To the idea of it being Hard to Write a couple, it's harder to write a active couple because you can't just have that Sike moment or worse the "Fake-out Break-up" BS. Like it's not as easy to write drama, allegedly; yet also the whole if we give people what the want they'll leave BS, despite that if you give the fans what they want they'll want to watch it.
i walked away from my phone at 7:10 and when you said "other shows" i immediately assumed you put a clip of miraculous ladybug and i was right
The Monarch and Doctor Mrs The Monarch are one of my favorite couples in media.
I didnt realize I'd been wathching Futurama so close to its original run. I think I started in 04 with it on Comedy Central, and then I remember when the Films were being broken up, I dead ass thought that happened in the 2010's XD I still remember the hole opening up to start the Beast with a Thousand backs.
I also think that Fry and Lila had a big role in shaping my relationship life lol
20:49 that's not a fouls perception, that's a fact.
Fry Leela remind me a lot of Danny and Sam
Something I notice, every one of their show finales' ended with Fry and Leela holding hands, Devil's hands are idle playthings, it was on holophonor but I think it still counts.
Me seeing Jaune and Pyrrha for a split second in the video - yep... love them
Dear Sarcastic Chorus, please make a video or 2 about an older canadian show called "Detentionare"? It was a great mystery show that also had some shipping stuff that I think you might like, especially if the show wasn't cut early.
I second this, that show was so good. Such a shame it ended on a cliffhanger
I appreciate the LA Knight Joke
YEAH!
I was looking for for this in 2020
1:24 hold up he was in his late 20s?
Wasn't he born in 1981
That would at least put him at 19 by the time of the pilot
He was born in 1974 apparently, so he would've been 25 at the start of the show. Technically that's mid 20s tho
They skip from the marriage to the divorce in that episode because they have no memory of the skips
Fry moved the stars
It skips to them being married
Leela doesnt remember anything before the skip
So things continue on and she divorces fry because she doesnt remember what he did
Then they skip to the divorce and they forget the inbetween
They dont gain their memory back when they start skipping again
When it comes to CEO/manager statements during a strike, I find myself remembering a quote by DBZA Goku " -gasp-That's _Disney_ evil!"
This is an awesome video!! Great job as always buddy!! Also I really like to see a video of the Amy X Kiff ship next!!😁👌
who's been married/engaged more: Leela or Selma?
Yes, comrade Chorus, rise up!
I love this show
I was surprised that this show was back after 10 years
For real. 😮
@@Mr.WestcottX yeah😄
Liked for the comics hot takes. Wanted to double like for the solidarity with WGA and SAG
Yo, great video as always Chorus! I dunno where else to request some ships that I'm surprised you haven't talked about yet so I'll just do it here lol:
-Lazlo x Patsy
-Timmy X Tootie
-Rigleen
-Miles x Gwen
-Gumball x Penny
Happy studying XD
I have to say that after Fry's Deal with the Devil, Leela liking his holo-flute proves that She didn't like the Worms but Fry
US Long Running Media should take a page from JoJo's - keep the major beats but let things evolve and change
Came for the Helluva Boss analysis, and stayed for my favorite show Futurama. Never thought I'd see it on this channel but I loved it. But you forgot to mention how Leela loves Fry's boyish charm but hates his childish immaturity. (My favorite quote of Leela describing Fry... the indecisiveness is palpable)
Well, shit... I guess I'm Fry. But the 20th century one.
Look, when it comes to the subject of this ship all I have to say is ALL HAIL THE HYPNO-TOAD!!!!
the comedy central only survives because it´s the south park original home. And yeat, they still make a lot of bad shows and how they get any audience or more seasosn, it´s a mistery.
Something I’ve noticed in the later Comedy Central era episodes and the Hulu revival is that they seem to have matured Fry slightly and made Leela a bit immature. Whether this was intentional or not, it is a good call as it shows character growth and how they are willing to work hard for each other.
what's it like for you people to be so not damaged you can't understand how two people can disappoint each other or push each other away to protect themselves, or not be sure themselves where their relationship stands, and you can definitely be sure you love one another and want to be in each other's lives without being sure in what capacity in the long term?
Has anyone made a video on fry’s character and how most of the people in his life who seemed to have little care for him found new love for him or revealed their concealed feelings for him after his disappearance from their lives?
I love all the kh music lol
Dear Sarchastic Chorus:
Using random and slightly obscure bangers such as Meow from BattleBlock Theater, I am gonna give you a medal in the form of this comment.
Thank you.
🏅
I watched futurama entirely 5 times, maybe it's time for the sixth
Gonna NEED that Dragon Prince S5 review soon!
20:44 not a bad hot take for her. Here mine either make this character much younger to reflect an actual Aunt may being 30 to about 50ish (in most comics Peter is a teen or early twenties so this works) or call her Grandma May and letter her past from old age cause I don't want to here this 70+ year old woman is somehow an aunt to a highschool /college kid.
Hi Fry and leela are assume animated characters I love there relationships its so cute