People say 1v9 but realistically not having anyone to catch waves makes it really hard. Even if they are just a cannon minion it still helps absorb pressure
Finally someone with common sense. Here is what I said in a comment: I know very well hard hard it is to 1v9 games and sometimes wish they'd just AFK. BUT... you also have to realise that 4 feeders can still apply pressure AND soak damage and CC. They can also become worthless in gold once they die a lot. AND they can cause the enemy team to have shutdowns. They can also hold base if you end up dying. Being aced is very risky late game, even more so for a 1v5. So i'd argue this is much harder.
don't matter if the difference in skill is this big. against irons, gold or higher probably only needs time to do his first clear and a base before starting to take over the game@@igorporfiirio4915
@Karthusprid im ngl i been to bronze 5 and yes they also dont invade when they should don't ward right and don't really THINK as they play. so iron has got to be worse right? i can't imagine how below 1200 mmr you would even need to be to hit it but its for the worst of the worst players
@@Dark2NeS bronze 5 was a collection of everyone in iron. so it should be about the same. but however, everoyone, who thinks that a player like NB could not get out of iron because of his team, has all the copium in the world
no, it's pretty realistic, there's a big skill gap between silver and gold. and people that are silver or below are either just not thinking or are really just trying to learn how to play the game @Karthusprid
@Karthusprid This whole video is fake. Wtf Teemo is doing on the top alone. He was not disturbed for 10 minutes. And het gets 2 turret platings for 12 minutes. Ge gets the 3rd plate in the 14th minute. Alone. Jeez, he can't kill minions or wtf ? He has mushrooms even. Don't need to be ranked to shot minions, and an average player is able to kill a wave in 10 seconds. Then he has 20 seconds to shot the turret. A good player kills kills wave in few seconds over lvl6. Iron or not he has to auto attack only, no knowledge needed against minions. Fake. And he disappears for minutes. Where was he going, what was he doing? Even iron players know that turret is the main target. Farming is pointless if no opponent on your lane. Very fake. Another thing is, iron or not they have to know that if they stick together as 5 you wouldn't be able to stop them and they could destroy whole mid lane in few minutes. Only 2 of them could kill Rengar at the start, what if they are 5 ? Every death comes with a huge price, if 5 opponents are pushing a lane while he is waiting for resurrection. Fake. The so called "irons" do not push lanes, you see empty maps for long minutes. Wtf they are doing? No one knows. Fake staged video. The irons don't stick together, they walk alone at random places, give you the chance to 1 hit kill them, one by one in duel. This is the most fake thing.
@@telelaci2 HOLY FUCKING COPE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Man low elo players in League have to be the most delusional people in the world. #1 No, Iron players literally are drooling over their keyboards. They are the equivalent of giving your grandparent an iPad and asking them to play Fortnite. There is no logic or rationale to what Iron players do. They have 2 braincells and one is focused on the mouse and KB and the other is thinking about what they ate for lunch. I can't tell if you are defending Iron players and saying they are better than this video and that is why it is fake or if Iron players are even WORSE than this and that is why it is fake. Either way Iron players are literally the bottom of the barrel. You have to genuinely try to be so fucking bad to get to Iron. Bro Iron accounts literally sell for a shit ton of money for a reason. You actively have to try to get your account demoted to Iron. I had an account where I intentionally lost all my placements and got bronze 2. You literally cannot get to Iron without losing the overwhelming majority of your games.
bro when i started playing league i got ranked iron on my old account and climbed to gold in the first season, plat the next and then diamond 1 100lp the next. the enemies are inting also so you need to be the one guy not inting and you will de facto win more than you lose, especially in those low low elos. by the way, if you make a new account (if you level by only playing bot games) you literally start in plat 3 (last splits gold 4).
Idk low elo players can do some thing pretty good, normally the issue isn’t that they suck at everything, it’s that they suck at a couple parts of the game and that really holds them back. And the cs actually makes sense: that’s their cs if they don’t even have someone to prevent them from csing. Cs is probably was worse in a real game
@@azaldie So what's your point then lmao? Even if they aren't actual hardstuck Iron players that makes the point of this video 100x more true. Low elo players with use every excuse under the sun to excuse why they cant get out of low elo. They get bad teams every game, matchmaking sucks, smurfs every game, trolls, etc. Not a single person in low elo is stick there because of any of those reasons. If you are low elo and can't get out it is because YOU and YOU alone are making a million mistakes on the most fundamental aspects of the game. Low elo players think they need to shotcall and make flashy outplays to win games. You literally can afk farm - not interact with your laner for 15 minutes, get 7-8cs/m, die less than 4 times per game and climb to diamond. It is that simple.
I'd watch more games like this, what a riot! Nightblue3 could honestly entertain a lot of people this way, holding a weekly streamed 1 vs 5 against his Iron subs
the issue is that if you make this a regular event then people who aren't iron will prepare iron-tier smurfs just to get featured in the video. And it'll really ruin the whole point of it. Doing it spontaneously one time without any pre-announcement helps a bit to counter that since none of the viewers were expecting it so you're more likely only getting people who really have iron accounts ready to go immediately... which is more likely to be actual iron tier players.
@miniflint2423 then they die and the pressure and wave mean nothing as they continue taking the lane. If they're feeding the chance of them doing something of value isn't high
30:02 at 30 mins into the game: None of them are over 200CS their levels are 15, 13, 14, 12, 12 None of them have 3 items And they haven't even taken all of the tier 2 towers
I was like why haven't all the towers been knocked over by 15 minutes. If they literally just slow pushed they would crash, take the plates, take the towers gold and would probably make up for any lost cs.. again iron. They could have done 100 activities to put more map pressure or just split push while one person runs him all over the map
yeah i dont think it would ahve mattered cuz mostly they got 1 shot. However not having a team just to catch waves was the loosing factor. no need to get kills as the team here just act as a cannon minion. Spawn clear die repeat
You really made a point here, and it went kinda exactly how I thought it would, it's really hard when you're that outnumbered. However I think that you could've won with Yi instead of rengar
he really didn't bcz it to feel real hardstuck iron experience he would have to go 4 irons and him vs 5 plats bcz thats how stuck iron is. You are only one actually playing and your team is just better than your bcz u have hardstuck mmr and u get shitty teams that do nothing except feeding. btw im not in iron but i learned a lot about how ranking system works in lol and its broken. If u really want to climb and u have skill new account will do it always
@krisusq175 nah man this just isn't true. Lol. I haven't played since season 6. I got on, played 1 normal game, hopped into ranked. Played my placement and got silver 1 immediately. If you're in Iron, you belong there.
This is a 1v5. NOT a 1v9 where you teammates are feeding other laners. You can control who gets fed and who doesn't threw your own actions. But you can't control if other feed threw your own actions. So the guy with the comment does make a point. Can you climb into like plat or diamond in 10 days starting from Iron, with terrible MMR.
my strategy if I were the 5 iron: Trundle - Hullbreaker, always far from the team splitpushing and taking towers whenever possible (Ghost/TP) Ziggs - atk speed boots, nashor and lichbane, melts towers, should focus on getting them if the nb3 dies anytime. (Exhaust/TP) Lulu - BoRK, main team DPS, point'n'click CC. (Exhaust/TP) Pantheon - Point'n'click CC, helps pushing waves if needed. (Ignite/TP) Rammus - Point'n'click CC, full armor/mr, can tank towers without minions if needed. (Smite/TP) everybody at early game ziggs and lulu go bot, pantheon mid, trundle top and rammus jg. If nb3 go jungle like this is just a free win by taking the towers super early and they'll overwhelm them with map pressure. If he picks an assassin like rengar, master yi, kayn... the point'n'click CC will probably shut him down if the iron just clump in a deathball. If he got something like xerath, with insane range and clearwave, then the team splits and overwhen whit trundle and ziggs on side lanes melting towers. Rammus also could run to catch the imobile champions. With so much tower destruction power any death would probably be GG after 20-25 minutes.
@@darkgrundi9543 How does playing the game wrong help you improve? And I can tell you have zero clue what you're saying because Iron games don't last 25 minutes, they last 45 minutes.
@@TH-dg2mm I am sry to tell you that their is noway to improve if you are stuck in iron. Seriously you either have the mechanics of a guy with an actual disability in his hand, the lasthitting skill of a dog hitting your buttons, or the map awareness of a blind person. You just don't need to be remotely good to get to gold right now after they made Emerald rank. Literally the new ranked distribution made bronze players gold, cause they suddenly out of nowhere win 40 lp and lose 15. If you want to improve and you are stuck in Iron, learn lasthitting, learn champion combos and then afk split top until you are in Gold and start to play actual league there. You cannot by design make any macro decisions in Iron cause NOBODY on your team will follow it, or even spam ping you for rotating to a different lane once. (they do that even in Dia sometimes btw). Look i was never in my life iron, cause it didn't exist when i started playing, however i was in bronze 4 once when the ranked reset was so bugged that even challenger players started in silver for some reason (i think it was season 8 not sure) and i got out of bronze in 20 games. Another 30 and i was in Gold and stopped playing then, cause i was terrible in season 8 and enjoyed playing normals with friends way more than an arbitrary ranked symbol on your profile. Now i sit in Dia even tho i still play most of my games as Normals. Obviously i got better, but elo is inflating massively, especially right now, cause emerald made getting to gold a cake walk for silver and high bronze.
@@darkgrundi9543i love how someone who was never in iron talks like he is an expert in it in iron mid,jg and top are the smurf lanes there is a 30%-60% chance you will run into a smurf account if you play those roles you really underestimate iron beacuse you don't seem to understand how mmr works,im a suport main so my chances of getting out of iron are really small unless im faker and learn how to 1v9 with alistar
I commend you. That was really well played and fun to watch. I think you still proved your point even when you lost. Respectable not to go Master Yi nor Hullbreaker for a cheesy win. Also I get the sense that they were stream snipping you a couple times. At the end it looked pretty clear, unless they had a ward on Baron. I would love to see more content like this. TBH I would also love to see a grind from hard stuck Iron. No one would think you'd be stuck in low elo, but still would love to see how fast you climb and if you struggle on any low elo games including stalled MMR. Even though Smurfing gets hate (for good reason) I think it could teach people what skills and knowledge that could be used to carry in low elo. Also to anyone that says 1v5 is easier than a 5v5 of 4 feeders: I know very well hard hard it is to 1v9 games and sometimes wish they'd just AFK. BUT... you also have to realise that 4 feeders can still apply pressure AND soak damage and CC. They can also become worthless in gold once they die a lot. AND they can cause the enemy team to have shutdowns. They can also hold base if you end up dying. Being aced is very risky late game, even more so for a 1v5. Also don't forget that bad players on your team also means bad players on the enemy team. They definitely won't know how to properly macro around a full team. So i'd argue this is much harder.
Yeah the only reason he lost is because he used his ult on the baron at 36:40. I understand why he did it because he thought he could take it fast, but it took longer than expected. If his ult was still up he could have killed them all when they collapsed on him at the baron pit. A small miscalculation with unfortunate punish.
U never saw a good iron players. they here are playing league for first time, he didnt prove his point bc he loose, on start he focus adc everyone can do that i dont want to hate but u all are on his side after loose his point u still defend him, if there was good irons he would loose faster. They died 3/4 times from tower without even fight with him. Live in peace bye
This must be really scary for them. :D There's 5 of them, but then there's this apex predator that's way better than each of them and you never know where he's coming from :D
I think it was pretty clear not all of these players are actual irons. Most of them had like 20 games (alt accounts). Some look about silverish. Not saying the skill gap is huge but, knowledge is everything in League. These players understood the game better than many irons. I am only plat1 but I have a friend in Iron who I have played with a few times for fun. On top of clearly sniping. They need all the help they can get I don't blame them. Was fun to watch.
nah completely free lanes and it took them over 16minutes to hit 80 cs and not even all of em managed to do that. they may have certain aspects of their gameplay thats silver but overall theyre iron.
MMR matters a lot beacuse i have been playing league for a long time and never really cared about winning in ranked(i was playing bard even tho i wasn't good at him xd),nowdays all my iron games have atleast 3 smurf accounts on them shoutout to that 70% winrate katarina who despite iron smurfing was actually a really nice person :3
I mean even if that were true that only makes the point of this video even MORE true not less. If he's winning 1v5 vs silvers who are somewhat better than Iron (it's all the same shit, let's not be delusional) then literally anyone can. If you practice the fundamentals of league and stop blaming your team, the matchmaking, your role, trolls, etc. you will climb. It is literally that simple. I used to be hardstuck gold for 2 years when I first started playing. I got frustrated and started watching educational league content (high elo replays) and focused on farming well (averaging 7-8 cs/m) and dying 4 or less times on average per game and I got to plat (which is now emerald) playing mid. I've since swapped to ADC. It took me 600~ games to get to plat/emerald for the first time and 75% of those games were before I started taking the game more seriously and stopped making excuses every game and worrying about the shit I cannot control and focused on the things I have control over.
people say iron is impossible but your enemies are chosen from the exact same pool of players as your teammates. Its a cointoss of your teammates being better or worse each game, therefore it is up to you to decide the outcome of the game.
As a jungler in high silver almost gold, i learned a lot from this video. This I don't usually pay attention too, because I have the idea that my team will handle it, e.g. I would go for a drake instead of backing to defend super minions when they are around inhib tower, because I think I have enough time, only to realize I almost lose a tower because my team is dying elsewhere, and then my back timing gets fucked. Another thing is back timing when clearing and how to approach the lanes, both ganking and defeding wise. I know in real games you have teammates to back you up on ganks or on drake calls, but it's a little macro decisions that I didn't fully realize till I wathced this
in silver or gold i would NOT count on my team tbh... better to only go for save plays if you want to climb and get to a point where you can snowball..
@@roastedtoast7388 I wouldn't count on the team but at the same time, a lot of plays are safe just because of how badly people play them in that elo, any snowball champ is busted for anything below diamond/emerald. Bcs people never punish you when you are at your weakest and have no idea how to play around you.
yeh, im hard stuck silver. and my best games are when i just 100% ignore my team and play like nasus. if i am winning my 1v2, and my team is losing the 4v3, me being there wont magically make my team better at the game and not feed and die. so catching waves is really the easiest way to climb. let your team play the game, just freeze the most pushed lane and get 3x the gold of everybody playing aaram.
ye gl mr.there is no elo hell. I have never seen such bs before 50% of the games somebody in my team thinks running down into my tower feeding my lane is a good idea the other 50% are people who will have the same amount of deaths as minutes ingame i would climb if my teammates wouldnt be just straight up inting or atleast not dying every 2nd minute. They dont respond to calls because they will feel personally offended and troll you the rest of the game. You cannot even tell them what to do cuz they will understand but they do not care. My thought is if we would let dogs play league everybody would have a better experience because dogs can learn
The lux was 1000% ghosting lmao. Throwing blind ults at baron when its almost dead. Walking to baron as hes on it. Throwing blind q's over walls. You are blind.@@grymns
@@grymns in the first 4 mins she walks directly at him when he is in the jungle then throws binds over the wall with jhin.... she was the first one i noticed to be ghosting 🤣
Writing this in the beginning so I don't get hate, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk, also this is not complaining about the content because it was very entertaining and I hope he does this more often, just referring to the point before the game about hopping out of Iron. Obviously it's different if you're Challenger/GM/Master This is nowhere near the Iron experience, for 1, the Lux has some brain and so does Teemo. In my opinion, someone level 400 at this game is not an Iron ELO player, I'm a Plat to Emerald Zed OTP who doesn't play more than 20 ranked games a season and I have barely any macro even though I've played since season 7 because I play very little (lvl 200) but there are things I still naturally know cause I've played so much, even if I'm not paying attention (which is most games because I just lock in Zed and go Brrr) I find it hard to believe that someone with double the levels wouldn't be the same, it takes a level of braindead beyond comprehension to not absorb anything after 4k games of league. Also, it makes a big difference when you have 4 other monkies feeding the other team tbh. I tried to dabble in Iron and stomp with Zed to see if I could climb out or whatever and in too many games was the score 10-2 by 8 minutes because Iron players can't grasp the concept of "stay back, play safe".
I think what chat was saying is absolutely true tho, you need to do it again but for the first 10-15 minutes of the game have 4 other teammates playing with you but they are all just running it down giving the enemy team free gold, the have them all leave at 20 min.
If you play in Iron both your team and your opponents are Iron, there is no reason only your team would feed (especially if you consider a large number of games). For the record, I was a gold player, went into Iron as I stopped playing and caring (playing afk yuumi doesn't help with your elo), was iron4 doing +13 at most, and in a month jumped back to gold 2 by playing kai sa AP support, obviously reaching gold was very quick but then I kinda stuck for two weeks before reaching gold 2. (And I learned so much doing that that after a few months break I went back into the game, played seriously for 3 weeks and reached D3)
@@remigaillard4802 nah cause 100 percent of the time you get the new people or afks or bots or ragers or the 0/10 yasuo or the draven who blames everyone else but him on your team, and the challenger smurfs on the other team. But after watching both videos he posted, guess it doesn't matter since he did prove a challenger player can't carry a game and you can truely get stuck in iron no matter your skill.
good vid and quite entertaining, however to make it more realistic you should add some AI to your team. that way bounty objectives are harder to get and the enemy team can get fed/kills more realistically to a real game. You also would not have to catch every wave potentially then.
It's easy to get out of iron when your whole team disconnects, but it gets a tiny bit harder when your whole team is being keyboard warriors and decide to also help solve world hunger for some reason.
Dude there is no way these guys are all real iron players, maybe some but not all. They built Anathema's Chains against him like there is no way an Iron player would do that. Also the way some of them played the game. Irons are pure "for fun and don't wanna have a headache learning anything about the game" type of people.
The fact that he'd have had a harder time against 5 bots is hilarious to me, the instant bots group 5 man and have an inhib down it's pretty much game over if you didn't already get hyper fed.
1:35 To prove you can win even if your whole team disconects? Man, the whole problem is that they don't disconnect but help the enemy by feeding them instead.
Im more confused how the 5 didnt pick up on a single strat for a 1v5. Idk if it was talked about or not but something like a Malz mid and Rammus Top (Really any super hard CCs) and Trist/Ziggs bot (or any tower destroying monsters) would make this challenge kinda pointless. There are some champs that excel SO hard in the 1v1 that it makes 1v5 near impossible no matter how fed you are. Like the Donos said, also grouping is pretty strong in these 1v5 scenarios. That and Hullbreaker+Demo alone (if theyre deciding not to group) would ruin towers. Them not having a tower by the 9-10 minute mark and deciding not to invade (maybe its an honor thing?) just baffled me. I really feel like they could have just won in champ select. Insane challenge and a good try.
Well teemo and jhin had a plan to trap up the field so they can constantly keep tabs on him. Just they're still iron for a reason. Teemo kept asking why no one wanted to group. It's cause they're iron. Teemo did feel like he was at least silver though. He even just ulted a bunch while NB was taking baron at the end instead of walking up to auto him and be in range to die. Graves I thought too, but looks like people are saying he was ghosting stream.
You don't even need to fight him. Just pick 2 champs that take towers fast for top and bot (Yorick, Trynd, Jax, Trundle, etc). Then get a easy mage with safe wave clear like Ziggs, Malz, Anvia to just match the Challenger play but not fight them. They just need to wave clear. Then get two jgs because the Challenger wont be able to defend towers and their jg. You want jgs that can take objs and help with towers like Yi, Trundle, Noc, Udyr, Bel, Xin, WW, etc. Then just ignore the challenger player. Push lanes where he isn't. You can push 3 lanes while he can only push 1.
Maybe stream sniping a couple time, teemo, and and a ghoster gameplay, you really did well considered how you played standard and not cheesy and them stooping this low. It was entertaining to watch!
Honestly, it's a relief to not have friendly death announcements all the time. The mentality is usually, I know I can do this if someone on my team doesn't "F" it up too badly.
these iron players just picked really terrible champions. If it was me I would have picked Veigar for free scaling with stuff like Yuumi Taric Zillean Master Yi
I think the challenge would have been more realistic if the game was 9 bronces/iron and you, because the point was proving you can not climb from those ranks if your teammates hold you back (which is obviously not true if you’re a challenger)
@@w0uffv379 Even if you have the fundamentals down (good CS rate, lane handling) its hard when your other lanes are each x/0/0 after 3 minutes. (where x usually is >3). A 1v5 isn't really a good representation what the issue with iron really is.
@@Bankai90 I would say it depends. If your personal skill level ist higher bronze or lower silver, it is tough. If you are a gold - plat player, sure you can wipe the floor with your lane and carry the games.
Now in actual Iron you have to do this exact thing while also giving each of your opponents 1-2 free kills every 25 seconds. Haven't seen the depths of iron myself but I've played on teams that had some iron players show up for tryouts. It's unreal how little they understand about the game typically.
The irony of you saying "now have your teammates in Iron giving your opponents 1-2 kills every 25 seconds" and not realizing that also means the enemy team is just as likely to have people feeding that you can take advantage of and thus climb using their bad players as free gold and exp.
It's actually so insane just how hard low elo players cope with them being hardstuck. Literally any excuse, dog ate my homework-type shit, ANYTHING other than them not CS'ing well, dying 4+ times every game, them recalling at bad times and then losing multiple waves, them overstaying with no mana/low hp and dying, them not warding, etc. the list goes on.
in 5v5 iron your teammates feed enemy like crazy causing opportunities that should not be there in 1v5 its not the same experience as you are controlling the enemy economy, they are only getting plates and CS compared to getting an extra 2-3k worth of kill gold im a D3 peak and tried to help someone in iron and it was hard af trying vs enemies that had an item advantage because of this
I don’t care how fed an iron player is they shouldn’t be able to beat a d3 player. Highly doubt you’re d3. And plates and CS are worth just as much as kills and can be worth even more if the same person is constantly feeding . Not to mention objectives.. bruh ain’t no way you’re d3 lol jus be yourself bro 😂
@@orsteezy7050 Actually.. I can give an Iron player a huge lead and they could actually win against a diamond with it. It depends on the lead though. Skill is a stat we don't have the exact measurement of skill but it can be beaten by just other stats such as defense and damage. If you are level 18 as an iron player you would still win if your enemy was the best player in the world but was level 1. So somewhere down the road skill gets beaten by stats and a lead. Especially if that level 18 was like senna and the level 1 was anyone that isn't senna.
I'm not iron close but not iron... but I think in Iron or lower rank your team mates sometime instead of helping you help the enemy team by feeding them intentionally or not. So I think it should be a Nightblue3 vs. 9 Iron Players that could be a more realistic experiment for the seek of science haha
If there were 4 iron players on NB's team just to take up lane space, this wouldn't have even been close. He'd have 40+ kills. But honestly, just playing Hecarim or Fiddles etc might have been enough to run through the entire team.
thats because the enemy team had noob iron players on the team, there are lots of hardstuck iron players with account levels of up to even 300 and they are either sitting there on purpose or they simply cant get out because of mmr and getting matched with a bad team
just because you're high level, doesn't mean you're any better than lower level players. I know a guy who's hardstuck silver 4 at lvl 800, while my dumb ass cousin is around the same level with about 50 games per year@@Rescarf edit: for example, Yone is lvl 419 and was worse than lvl 59 Jhin
@@dislexyc thats because league mmr is autistic, I have a few accounts and on my main Account when I first started playing I was dropped into silver 2 on my practice account into bronze 3 even though I played better on it overall, because your initial mmr counts a lot, so what happend was your cousin got a nice mmr early and got dropped into silver. Also this is just hard cope for you, he lost against actual bots without deadweight on his team, he proved nothing lol
@@Rescarf Hardstuck detected... idek who's coping here. those 5 were far from bots I'd say. -Teemo shroom placement (the best asset on their team btw) -Them effectively camping his jg a couple of times (while prob a ghosting thing, still it required some basic thinking skills) -Trapping him at the baron pit and closing the game There was an evident resistance from them, so you cannot say that him not beating them was in any way a humiliating thing. He literally played Rengar for balance, where he could just pick hullbreaker Yi and stomp. What's more, is that he pretty much proved a point. He took baron and elder all alone, deflected all the pressure from sidelanes and kept his CS well over 10 per min while playing conciously enough to die only 4 times in a 35+ min game constantly being pressed by 5 players. If he had any kind of a team, even a trash one, he would've simply destroyed the enemy team while his teammates could absorb the pressure and be useful doing literally whatever. This wraps it up with 2 conclusions: 1. Iron players are iron for a reason. Being stripped off of 2 biggest objectives and dying 23 times in total when playing a 5v1 is self-explanatory as of why these iron level players are in... iron 2. If you are good enough, you will climb out of iron. Despite these players' poor gameplay, they still managed to win. Not because these iron players are secretly challengers cursed by mmr, but because league is a game, in which teams thrive - not just individual players. In league you can be a 15-0 full-built assassin but get chain cc'ed for 10 seconds and still get whooped if you're all alone. If you are as good as him, or simply better than iron, however contrary to him you're blessed with 4 teammates that can at least push the waves for you, you're gonna climb.
@@Nikuu_13 cope harder please, he went up against the worst iron team on his region and still lost, not only did he NOT prove a point, the fact that every single one of you inbreds think that he couldve won with hullbreaker yi is baffling. And if he actually had irons on his team too, yeah he would have a chance to win but itd be a coinflip of which team feeds the less. You should just drop this argument, he played this game to win and prove that iron is easy, then he lost and failed to prove anything.
honestly not having 4 teammates is a HUGE advantage in iron. coming from a d2 player i have a much easier time 1v5ing 5 irons than i do 5v5ing 5 irons with 4 irons on my team. even if they are iron, they can still lock braindead champs and get hard fed by the team to the point where its out of your control entirely. when its a 1v5 you have all the control. the game is won or lost by your decisions. i can live with that. i cant live as easy with the fact 80% of my losses are from teammates hard inting the enemy into a 10/0 lead at 5mins.
I once won vs 5 newbies with 4 bot allies. I was old eve and went 45/12/23 or smth. The bots were useful for holding lanes down and baiting the players to push so I could gank them.
@@m1n3h4ck Why's that hard to believe? Seems completely possible. One of my wildest games was a 1v5 in a real game with Akali soon after her rework when she was busted. One teammate left, caused the other to leave which caused the other to leave so the last guy left as well. I won that game which goes to show just how busted reworked akali was before her 200 nerfs. This guy did it with 4 bots on his side, 100% possible.
@@m1n3h4ck I did the same back when I used to play. Was years ago when the average skill level of players was WAY lower (these days, even low elo players know more than what most high elo players knew back then). The skill gap to move from low and high elo is simply far lower than it used to be, which is why the lowest elos are such coinflips. In Iron, you get players who would have made it to diamond back in season 3/4 stuck in the same tier as people who didn't even belong in bronze back then.
idk if iron changed but i went from bronze II in S2022 to hardstuck iron IV in S3 2024 and didn't play in between those. Only learned about the fundamentals 4 weeks ago. I found that in iron you can just roam and completely disregard the wave state and still get ahead because it will always result in one or more kills. I'm not doing that right now as I'm trying to create good habits. One interesting thing is that i made an alt and after 150 ish games of playing normals, I'm consistently being matched up with and against silver players. If i play normal draft on my main, I'm against actual new players who have no hands and are blindfolded. Often getting 20+ kills with orianna and a 85% winrate. In ranked it's more like 20% win rate with orianna. Clearly I'm doing something wrong, but also clearly something weird is going on with my MMR. Not really worried about my ranked rn though, it's just that I can't play normals because it makes me worse at the game.
Two things: 1.) They didn't say you would be hardstuck in Iron, they basically said it would take more time to move up from a hardstuck account and wanted you to attempt it. 2.) Playing 1v5 is actually probably easier, with the correct champion, than playing 5v5 with four inting players on your team.
I know right xDD, it's so funny how they are not even trolling with those comments. Iron players that aren't trolling are literally people with 80 IQ or players that have just leveled up to 30 and have a few first games out in iron. At most 50 games that you will have to stay in iron but i don't know how that's possible when I've literally tried to lose on purpose and i win instead, gaining like 40 lp. The game just wants you out of iron fr Also, there is literally an instant promotion with no requirement to win 3 games in a row to climb up
should have had solo tanks in each lane that utilize armor well like malph, amumu and rammus, plus a jungle duo with a hypercarry and a support with double smite taking all camps. would have been a joke of a game.
@@MFWb00bi3s So literally don't pick Iron/low elo players for this example that it is beyond easy to climb out of low elo? Iron players wouldn't be picking srtong comps and even if they do they would malphite ult 2 inches in front of them by accident because they were trying to hit their F key to flash and missclicked. You really don't understand just how hilariously bad at the game Iron is.
@CataclysmicSC2 GoodLuckHaveFun, NA. That's me, iron last season. If I can theory craft that comp in about 30 seconds, I'm sure 4 more of me could implement it well enough to win.
nah, as can be seen here, he was struggling to stop the minions from killing his nexus. Even if they do feed, at least they can help deal with waves as well as get your opponent to waste stuff on them. A fed iron player really doesn't mean much.
@@danieltsiu7383 A fed iron player is literally just as strong as an 0/10 iron player. It doesn't matter if the enemy team gets fed when you are low elo because they 10/10 times WILL throw their leads making objectively awful plays and throw the game away. Every. Single. Time.
Love how they chase for dumb plays instead of just going drake or pushing free waves, like if the whole ennemy team is on one side don't follow them pressure the other side
I'm pretty sure that this would be impossible with teammates/bot teammates, because monster hunter isn't applied when you're solo. The 4-6 level advantage is so massive.
nah he needed some wave clear from 4 cannon minion teammates thats all. It wouldnt have mattered if jhin or lux had items cuz they mostly got 1 shot and rengar healed the dmg if they even did any. he lost to minions not enemy team
Everybody saying 5v5 would be harder does not appear to understand map pressure lol. The reason he lost this is because he can't be everywhere at once. Even if your team is feeding they're at LEAST gonna be keeping waves back, not to mention if they're feeding eventually they're not worth gold anymore. Realistically if he had 4 awful teammates, they would've simply held the line while he won the game, because as fast as he can nuke objectives on rengar, the enemy team cannot ignore him or they just instalose 🤷
Have u ever seen silver/bronz games? I agree 5vs5 should be easier mainly because he wouldnt be the only target. But low elo players are not the smartest players XD so many times i had 0 5 top in 12min, plus they are fighting in the jg over wolfs while minions were destroying Nexus towers XD
@@nmnmnmp4503 yup, I'm well aware having had many games like that myself in the past lol. That said, point still stands. He needed at least some vaguely warm bodies to keep the waves out. Obviously mechanically he was dog walking them, but a horde of minions is unfortunately a horde of minions
I feel like I am being memed on with all these 1v5 is easier comments. The way it all works, your team is just as likely to get fed as feed, the outlier is you. Yes, you probably should play a champ that doesnt need to play around their team to climb out of these low elo games, but at the same time statistics are statistics... You are on average as likely to get the team "iron braindead feeding" as the team getting fed. Are people actually this dumb? these comments are unreal lmao
after placements the worst you can have is bronze to be iron you need to have less then 50% winratio. statisticaly spaking if you play avarage you will have 50% winratio and be stuck in bronze. irons are so bad that they get down to the iron from bronze= they are braindead@@sonofsollen2193
When facing noobs, you actually want to slow push waves into them then roam and kill. If you're 1v5 you can't afford to crash even waves. You need the time that pushing waves give you. You can outplay them and kill them all in fights, so an extra couple CS (they won't get half of them) won't really hurt that much in comparison to being shoved in the whole time.
@@grineee5097 depends, if the ally player is iron 4 laning against a bronze/silver (has happened to me btw) then it is harder, otherwise no it is easier. But it is different to be lvl 16 fighting against lvl 10s who cant cs and different being lvl 10 and having to fight against a lvl 12 who is 1 rank and 10 kills above you
@@odisseassomeb3558 You just confirmed that you can't cs and that's the reason why u lose more often than win. Playing with team, even bad, is much easier because you can use chat and ping in important moments. I'm not saying it would work every game, but challeger-level player can win 95+% games in iron only based on mechanical and strategic decisions, which you can always improve by playing, watching tutorials and training. With these points I can confidently say that you are not sitting in iron because of you team and that was the point. btw You said it's the "actual challenge" so I assumed you mean playing without team is less hard
People say 1v9 but realistically not having anyone to catch waves makes it really hard. Even if they are just a cannon minion it still helps absorb pressure
The problem is when they die 6 times in 10 min than go afk
@@igorporfiirio4915 yeah but no games are left by 4 people. surrendered maybe but not afk
Finally someone with common sense. Here is what I said in a comment:
I know very well hard hard it is to 1v9 games and sometimes wish they'd just AFK. BUT... you also have to realise that 4 feeders can still apply pressure AND soak damage and CC. They can also become worthless in gold once they die a lot. AND they can cause the enemy team to have shutdowns. They can also hold base if you end up dying. Being aced is very risky late game, even more so for a 1v5. So i'd argue this is much harder.
Especially with champs like rengar, it might be doable with yi or viego
don't matter if the difference in skill is this big. against irons, gold or higher probably only needs time to do his first clear and a base before starting to take over the game@@igorporfiirio4915
The fact that NB3 constantly expect them to make the logical play and keeps getting disappointed is really funny to me
@Karthusprid im ngl i been to bronze 5 and yes they also dont invade when they should don't ward right and don't really THINK as they play. so iron has got to be worse right? i can't imagine how below 1200 mmr you would even need to be to hit it but its for the worst of the worst players
@@Dark2NeS bronze 5 was a collection of everyone in iron. so it should be about the same.
but however, everoyone, who thinks that a player like NB could not get out of iron because of his team, has all the copium in the world
no, it's pretty realistic, there's a big skill gap between silver and gold. and people that are silver or below are either just not thinking or are really just trying to learn how to play the game @Karthusprid
@Karthusprid This whole video is fake. Wtf Teemo is doing on the top alone. He was not disturbed for 10 minutes. And het gets 2 turret platings for 12 minutes. Ge gets the 3rd plate in the 14th minute. Alone. Jeez, he can't kill minions or wtf ? He has mushrooms even. Don't need to be ranked to shot minions, and an average player is able to kill a wave in 10 seconds. Then he has 20 seconds to shot the turret. A good player kills kills wave in few seconds over lvl6. Iron or not he has to auto attack only, no knowledge needed against minions. Fake. And he disappears for minutes. Where was he going, what was he doing? Even iron players know that turret is the main target. Farming is pointless if no opponent on your lane. Very fake.
Another thing is, iron or not they have to know that if they stick together as 5 you wouldn't be able to stop them and they could destroy whole mid lane in few minutes. Only 2 of them could kill Rengar at the start, what if they are 5 ? Every death comes with a huge price, if 5 opponents are pushing a lane while he is waiting for resurrection. Fake. The so called "irons" do not push lanes, you see empty maps for long minutes. Wtf they are doing? No one knows. Fake staged video. The irons don't stick together, they walk alone at random places, give you the chance to 1 hit kill them, one by one in duel. This is the most fake thing.
@@telelaci2 HOLY FUCKING COPE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Man low elo players in League have to be the most delusional people in the world. #1 No, Iron players literally are drooling over their keyboards. They are the equivalent of giving your grandparent an iPad and asking them to play Fortnite. There is no logic or rationale to what Iron players do. They have 2 braincells and one is focused on the mouse and KB and the other is thinking about what they ate for lunch. I can't tell if you are defending Iron players and saying they are better than this video and that is why it is fake or if Iron players are even WORSE than this and that is why it is fake. Either way Iron players are literally the bottom of the barrel. You have to genuinely try to be so fucking bad to get to Iron. Bro Iron accounts literally sell for a shit ton of money for a reason. You actively have to try to get your account demoted to Iron. I had an account where I intentionally lost all my placements and got bronze 2. You literally cannot get to Iron without losing the overwhelming majority of your games.
If you want the true iron experience you need 4 teammates that int the whole time
bro when i started playing league i got ranked iron on my old account and climbed to gold in the first season, plat the next and then diamond 1 100lp the next. the enemies are inting also so you need to be the one guy not inting and you will de facto win more than you lose, especially in those low low elos. by the way, if you make a new account (if you level by only playing bot games) you literally start in plat 3 (last splits gold 4).
right here.... this is Iron.... I can do 3v5, 4v5 np... i cannot do 5v5 if one or two of them are int all game long
right but.... their team is also inting? It's impossible that it's ALWAYS only your team inting, thats cope@@p3rsi4n1
yeah
@@p3rsi4n1 no u cant ur iron lol
Having witnessed many iron games I feel pretty confident that these people weren't actually hard-stuck iron-competence players...
i agree ofc people lied i mean they all have 70-80 cs at 15 min which isnt great but you see that even at emerald sometimes
@@2FadeMusic yeah but I mean bad CSing is one thing - I'm more so surprised that they bought and used control wards in non-stupid places 🤣
the jhin was pretty good. Lux probably actually is stuck in iron though
Idk low elo players can do some thing pretty good, normally the issue isn’t that they suck at everything, it’s that they suck at a couple parts of the game and that really holds them back. And the cs actually makes sense: that’s their cs if they don’t even have someone to prevent them from csing. Cs is probably was worse in a real game
@@azaldie So what's your point then lmao? Even if they aren't actual hardstuck Iron players that makes the point of this video 100x more true. Low elo players with use every excuse under the sun to excuse why they cant get out of low elo. They get bad teams every game, matchmaking sucks, smurfs every game, trolls, etc. Not a single person in low elo is stick there because of any of those reasons. If you are low elo and can't get out it is because YOU and YOU alone are making a million mistakes on the most fundamental aspects of the game. Low elo players think they need to shotcall and make flashy outplays to win games. You literally can afk farm - not interact with your laner for 15 minutes, get 7-8cs/m, die less than 4 times per game and climb to diamond. It is that simple.
Graves really be ghostin this match lol
what does ghosting mean?
he had stream open to know where rengar was at all times@@Sebastian-oz1lj
@@Sebastian-oz1lj had NB's stream open so he could see where he was going etc
NB3 actually an iron player confirmed.
I'd watch more games like this, what a riot! Nightblue3 could honestly entertain a lot of people this way, holding a weekly streamed 1 vs 5 against his Iron subs
Or even other ranks tbh!
@Karthusprid bros spamming "its fake" under every comment lmao what a life
would only really work spontaneously like this, otherwise people prepare iron smurfs to try and ruin the authenticity of it
the issue is that if you make this a regular event then people who aren't iron will prepare iron-tier smurfs just to get featured in the video. And it'll really ruin the whole point of it. Doing it spontaneously one time without any pre-announcement helps a bit to counter that since none of the viewers were expecting it so you're more likely only getting people who really have iron accounts ready to go immediately... which is more likely to be actual iron tier players.
That Graves was ghosting so hard.
And nightblue STILL almost won.
@@masterlinktm Lol what do you mean, he was literally struggling from minute 0 even tho enemies clearly didnt even try
@@bjornekloo With one of the worst possible champions you could pick for a 1v5
@@bjornekloonah they were trying but theyre iron they cant do more
@@bjornekloolike graves ghosting teemo spamming shrooms everywhere even yone buying anathemas they were clearly trying
"I think this one's harder no"
Nightblue underestimates the ability of iron players to feed.
And no, I'm not saying being hardstuck iron is a real thing. It's absolutely a krill issue.
They absorb pressure and wave. No matter what a true 1v5 will be harder than a 4 feeder + 1 human vs 5
@@miniflint2423 ur trippin
@miniflint2423 then they die and the pressure and wave mean nothing as they continue taking the lane. If they're feeding the chance of them doing something of value isn't high
36:06 you killed him off the screen haha
30:02
at 30 mins into the game:
None of them are over 200CS
their levels are 15, 13, 14, 12, 12
None of them have 3 items
And they haven't even taken all of the tier 2 towers
I was like why haven't all the towers been knocked over by 15 minutes. If they literally just slow pushed they would crash, take the plates, take the towers gold and would probably make up for any lost cs.. again iron.
They could have done 100 activities to put more map pressure or just split push while one person runs him all over the map
@@randomandy2023 I mean, if they were even just bronze, the game ended when the inhib died.
I don't want to say you wouldn't carry in Iron, but at some times 1v5 is better than. 5v5 because at least no one will fed the 5 you have to kill
not if you're feeding on the 5 enemies too lol
yeah i dont think it would ahve mattered cuz mostly they got 1 shot. However not having a team just to catch waves was the loosing factor. no need to get kills as the team here just act as a cannon minion. Spawn clear die repeat
Bro xDDD, that's delusional
They will get fed if they're smart. Cs and platings also obj prios
@@theotirones the abse of this arguement that he is in iron. so they are not smart
You really made a point here, and it went kinda exactly how I thought it would, it's really hard when you're that outnumbered. However I think that you could've won with Yi instead of rengar
he really didn't bcz it to feel real hardstuck iron experience he would have to go 4 irons and him vs 5 plats bcz thats how stuck iron is. You are only one actually playing and your team is just better than your bcz u have hardstuck mmr and u get shitty teams that do nothing except feeding. btw im not in iron but i learned a lot about how ranking system works in lol and its broken. If u really want to climb and u have skill new account will do it always
@@krisusq2 ???
@@krisusq2 Cope.
@krisusq175 nah man this just isn't true. Lol. I haven't played since season 6. I got on, played 1 normal game, hopped into ranked. Played my placement and got silver 1 immediately. If you're in Iron, you belong there.
@@krisusq2 i played my 3 or 5 placement matches and got put into gold soo no, if youre put in iron its because you belong there. nothing else :pp
This is a 1v5. NOT a 1v9 where you teammates are feeding other laners. You can control who gets fed and who doesn't threw your own actions. But you can't control if other feed threw your own actions.
So the guy with the comment does make a point. Can you climb into like plat or diamond in 10 days starting from Iron, with terrible MMR.
my strategy if I were the 5 iron:
Trundle - Hullbreaker, always far from the team splitpushing and taking towers whenever possible (Ghost/TP)
Ziggs - atk speed boots, nashor and lichbane, melts towers, should focus on getting them if the nb3 dies anytime. (Exhaust/TP)
Lulu - BoRK, main team DPS, point'n'click CC. (Exhaust/TP)
Pantheon - Point'n'click CC, helps pushing waves if needed. (Ignite/TP)
Rammus - Point'n'click CC, full armor/mr, can tank towers without minions if needed. (Smite/TP)
everybody
at early game ziggs and lulu go bot, pantheon mid, trundle top and rammus jg. If nb3 go jungle like this is just a free win by taking the towers super early and they'll overwhelm them with map pressure. If he picks an assassin like rengar, master yi, kayn... the point'n'click CC will probably shut him down if the iron just clump in a deathball. If he got something like xerath, with insane range and clearwave, then the team splits and overwhen whit trundle and ziggs on side lanes melting towers. Rammus also could run to catch the imobile champions. With so much tower destruction power any death would probably be GG after 20-25 minutes.
As an iron player myself I'd have chosen nasus and just infinitely stacked Qs
Nasus is literally the worst champion in the game to play if you're trying to learn, improve and climb.
@@TH-dg2mm no need for knowledge in iron, just split top and win at minute 25.
@@darkgrundi9543 How does playing the game wrong help you improve?
And I can tell you have zero clue what you're saying because Iron games don't last 25 minutes, they last 45 minutes.
@@TH-dg2mm I am sry to tell you that their is noway to improve if you are stuck in iron. Seriously you either have the mechanics of a guy with an actual disability in his hand, the lasthitting skill of a dog hitting your buttons, or the map awareness of a blind person. You just don't need to be remotely good to get to gold right now after they made Emerald rank. Literally the new ranked distribution made bronze players gold, cause they suddenly out of nowhere win 40 lp and lose 15. If you want to improve and you are stuck in Iron, learn lasthitting, learn champion combos and then afk split top until you are in Gold and start to play actual league there. You cannot by design make any macro decisions in Iron cause NOBODY on your team will follow it, or even spam ping you for rotating to a different lane once. (they do that even in Dia sometimes btw). Look i was never in my life iron, cause it didn't exist when i started playing, however i was in bronze 4 once when the ranked reset was so bugged that even challenger players started in silver for some reason (i think it was season 8 not sure) and i got out of bronze in 20 games. Another 30 and i was in Gold and stopped playing then, cause i was terrible in season 8 and enjoyed playing normals with friends way more than an arbitrary ranked symbol on your profile. Now i sit in Dia even tho i still play most of my games as Normals. Obviously i got better, but elo is inflating massively, especially right now, cause emerald made getting to gold a cake walk for silver and high bronze.
@@darkgrundi9543i love how someone who was never in iron talks like he is an expert in it
in iron mid,jg and top are the smurf lanes
there is a 30%-60% chance you will run into a smurf account if you play those roles
you really underestimate iron beacuse you don't seem to understand how mmr works,im a suport main so my chances of getting out of iron are really small unless im faker and learn how to 1v9 with alistar
I commend you. That was really well played and fun to watch. I think you still proved your point even when you lost. Respectable not to go Master Yi nor Hullbreaker for a cheesy win. Also I get the sense that they were stream snipping you a couple times. At the end it looked pretty clear, unless they had a ward on Baron. I would love to see more content like this. TBH I would also love to see a grind from hard stuck Iron. No one would think you'd be stuck in low elo, but still would love to see how fast you climb and if you struggle on any low elo games including stalled MMR. Even though Smurfing gets hate (for good reason) I think it could teach people what skills and knowledge that could be used to carry in low elo.
Also to anyone that says 1v5 is easier than a 5v5 of 4 feeders:
I know very well hard hard it is to 1v9 games and sometimes wish they'd just AFK. BUT... you also have to realise that 4 feeders can still apply pressure AND soak damage and CC. They can also become worthless in gold once they die a lot. AND they can cause the enemy team to have shutdowns. They can also hold base if you end up dying. Being aced is very risky late game, even more so for a 1v5. Also don't forget that bad players on your team also means bad players on the enemy team. They definitely won't know how to properly macro around a full team. So i'd argue this is much harder.
Yeah the only reason he lost is because he used his ult on the baron at 36:40.
I understand why he did it because he thought he could take it fast, but it took longer than expected. If his ult was still up he could have killed them all when they collapsed on him at the baron pit.
A small miscalculation with unfortunate punish.
Even the mere act of the enemy trying to kill your teammate will actually help you win the game, unlike here where he is literally the only focus.
@@stone_pilot If anything he lost because he used his flash on graves leaving him no escape after starting baron
oh hullbreaker woulda been clutch
U never saw a good iron players. they here are playing league for first time, he didnt prove his point bc he loose, on start he focus adc everyone can do that i dont want to hate but u all are on his side after loose his point u still defend him, if there was good irons he would loose faster. They died 3/4 times from tower without even fight with him. Live in peace bye
18:00 You said it! Not even comparable
This must be really scary for them. :D There's 5 of them, but then there's this apex predator that's way better than each of them and you never know where he's coming from :D
The lower down the ladder you go, the less predictable the players become 😂
I think it was pretty clear not all of these players are actual irons. Most of them had like 20 games (alt accounts). Some look about silverish. Not saying the skill gap is huge but, knowledge is everything in League. These players understood the game better than many irons. I am only plat1 but I have a friend in Iron who I have played with a few times for fun. On top of clearly sniping. They need all the help they can get I don't blame them. Was fun to watch.
nah completely free lanes and it took them over 16minutes to hit 80 cs and not even all of em managed to do that. they may have certain aspects of their gameplay thats silver but overall theyre iron.
MMR matters a lot
beacuse i have been playing league for a long time and never really cared about winning in ranked(i was playing bard even tho i wasn't good at him xd),nowdays all my iron games have atleast 3 smurf accounts on them
shoutout to that 70% winrate katarina who despite iron smurfing was actually a really nice person :3
I mean even if that were true that only makes the point of this video even MORE true not less. If he's winning 1v5 vs silvers who are somewhat better than Iron (it's all the same shit, let's not be delusional) then literally anyone can. If you practice the fundamentals of league and stop blaming your team, the matchmaking, your role, trolls, etc. you will climb. It is literally that simple. I used to be hardstuck gold for 2 years when I first started playing. I got frustrated and started watching educational league content (high elo replays) and focused on farming well (averaging 7-8 cs/m) and dying 4 or less times on average per game and I got to plat (which is now emerald) playing mid. I've since swapped to ADC. It took me 600~ games to get to plat/emerald for the first time and 75% of those games were before I started taking the game more seriously and stopped making excuses every game and worrying about the shit I cannot control and focused on the things I have control over.
How humble of NB to say "Former Chall" bro ur goated dont undervalue yourself. Actual LoL legend, and I don't say that lightly.
people say iron is impossible but your enemies are chosen from the exact same pool of players as your teammates. Its a cointoss of your teammates being better or worse each game, therefore it is up to you to decide the outcome of the game.
up to you to decide to play a carry champ and win easy*
@@LoafyGoblinI could smash in iron as support.
@@Pornaphobia1 I can think of like 5 supports that also double as carry champs so I don't doubt it
@@LoafyGoblin any support except maybe yummi. Give me Ali or another engage and it'd be easy
@@Pornaphobia1aight bro you are delusional
Great video bro! I love the 0 spoilers, made it super exciting, gonna have to watch the 2nd video.
As a jungler in high silver almost gold, i learned a lot from this video. This I don't usually pay attention too, because I have the idea that my team will handle it, e.g. I would go for a drake instead of backing to defend super minions when they are around inhib tower, because I think I have enough time, only to realize I almost lose a tower because my team is dying elsewhere, and then my back timing gets fucked. Another thing is back timing when clearing and how to approach the lanes, both ganking and defeding wise. I know in real games you have teammates to back you up on ganks or on drake calls, but it's a little macro decisions that I didn't fully realize till I wathced this
in silver or gold i would NOT count on my team tbh... better to only go for save plays if you want to climb and get to a point where you can snowball..
@@roastedtoast7388 I wouldn't count on the team but at the same time, a lot of plays are safe just because of how badly people play them in that elo, any snowball champ is busted for anything below diamond/emerald. Bcs people never punish you when you are at your weakest and have no idea how to play around you.
yeh, im hard stuck silver. and my best games are when i just 100% ignore my team and play like nasus.
if i am winning my 1v2, and my team is losing the 4v3, me being there wont magically make my team better at the game and not feed and die.
so catching waves is really the easiest way to climb. let your team play the game, just freeze the most pushed lane and get 3x the gold of everybody playing aaram.
ye gl mr.there is no elo hell. I have never seen such bs before 50% of the games somebody in my team thinks running down into my tower feeding my lane is a good idea the other 50% are people who will have the same amount of deaths as minutes ingame i would climb if my teammates wouldnt be just straight up inting or atleast not dying every 2nd minute. They dont respond to calls because they will feel personally offended and troll you the rest of the game. You cannot even tell them what to do cuz they will understand but they do not care. My thought is if we would let dogs play league everybody would have a better experience because dogs can learn
WOW this ghosting is crazy, imagine being a team of 5v1 and having to go this low.😂😂
The lux didn't seem to be ghosting so if that's true, i can respect that, but the Graves definitely is ghosting
Ghosting = streamsniping ?
@@mechanicalsilence1 ye
The lux was 1000% ghosting lmao. Throwing blind ults at baron when its almost dead. Walking to baron as hes on it. Throwing blind q's over walls. You are blind.@@grymns
@@grymns in the first 4 mins she walks directly at him when he is in the jungle then throws binds over the wall with jhin....
she was the first one i noticed to be ghosting 🤣
Writing this in the beginning so I don't get hate, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk, also this is not complaining about the content because it was very entertaining and I hope he does this more often, just referring to the point before the game about hopping out of Iron. Obviously it's different if you're Challenger/GM/Master
This is nowhere near the Iron experience, for 1, the Lux has some brain and so does Teemo. In my opinion, someone level 400 at this game is not an Iron ELO player, I'm a Plat to Emerald Zed OTP who doesn't play more than 20 ranked games a season and I have barely any macro even though I've played since season 7 because I play very little (lvl 200) but there are things I still naturally know cause I've played so much, even if I'm not paying attention (which is most games because I just lock in Zed and go Brrr) I find it hard to believe that someone with double the levels wouldn't be the same, it takes a level of braindead beyond comprehension to not absorb anything after 4k games of league. Also, it makes a big difference when you have 4 other monkies feeding the other team tbh. I tried to dabble in Iron and stomp with Zed to see if I could climb out or whatever and in too many games was the score 10-2 by 8 minutes because Iron players can't grasp the concept of "stay back, play safe".
You need 2 ppl, one to hold the base and one to hunt them 😅
thats why if two people vote no on surrender its doesnt go through :)
I think what chat was saying is absolutely true tho, you need to do it again but for the first 10-15 minutes of the game have 4 other teammates playing with you but they are all just running it down giving the enemy team free gold, the have them all leave at 20 min.
This is the REAL iron experience.
Those fucking snowball items have full stacks on them and THEN your teammates rage quit -_-
If you play in Iron both your team and your opponents are Iron, there is no reason only your team would feed (especially if you consider a large number of games).
For the record, I was a gold player, went into Iron as I stopped playing and caring (playing afk yuumi doesn't help with your elo), was iron4 doing +13 at most, and in a month jumped back to gold 2 by playing kai sa AP support, obviously reaching gold was very quick but then I kinda stuck for two weeks before reaching gold 2. (And I learned so much doing that that after a few months break I went back into the game, played seriously for 3 weeks and reached D3)
@@remigaillard4802 nah cause 100 percent of the time you get the new people or afks or bots or ragers or the 0/10 yasuo or the draven who blames everyone else but him on your team, and the challenger smurfs on the other team.
But after watching both videos he posted, guess it doesn't matter since he did prove a challenger player can't carry a game and you can truely get stuck in iron no matter your skill.
@@huskykid0295Bruh I just told you I was iron 4 doing +13, stop being delusional
good vid and quite entertaining, however to make it more realistic you should add some AI to your team. that way bounty objectives are harder to get and the enemy team can get fed/kills more realistically to a real game. You also would not have to catch every wave potentially then.
But, being stuck iron is not a real thing
@@mod6870 depends how many games you play, if you duo queue, the champion you play...
@@mod6870i had a 220 games iron 3 27% winrate toplaner on my new account in placements 😅
It's easy to get out of iron when your whole team disconnects, but it gets a tiny bit harder when your whole team is being keyboard warriors and decide to also help solve world hunger for some reason.
Dude there is no way these guys are all real iron players, maybe some but not all. They built Anathema's Chains against him like there is no way an Iron player would do that. Also the way some of them played the game. Irons are pure "for fun and don't wanna have a headache learning anything about the game" type of people.
There are always 5 iron players ready for NB to invite them to play with him just to prove a point.
No penta kill pre 5 minute mark? Nightblue was holding back for sure
19:53 this is a challenger jungle main
well played nightblue, was so fun to watch legit non scripted chally vid
It's more a factor of your team innocently, but actively, shutting you out of a snowball by any means necessary.
The fact that he'd have had a harder time against 5 bots is hilarious to me, the instant bots group 5 man and have an inhib down it's pretty much game over if you didn't already get hyper fed.
Respect for not going full sweat mode on that one.
People are saying inting teammates is harder. That might be true for one teammate but I would rather have 4 inting teammates than no teammates at all.
yeah exactly. they can be bad but if they play even as an iron would you win the game. You only need wave clear from them
yeah, until a 15/0 yone decides to roam from top and ace your whole team at 10 minutes...
1:35 To prove you can win even if your whole team disconects? Man, the whole problem is that they don't disconnect but help the enemy by feeding them instead.
Im more confused how the 5 didnt pick up on a single strat for a 1v5. Idk if it was talked about or not but something like a Malz mid and Rammus Top (Really any super hard CCs) and Trist/Ziggs bot (or any tower destroying monsters) would make this challenge kinda pointless. There are some champs that excel SO hard in the 1v1 that it makes 1v5 near impossible no matter how fed you are. Like the Donos said, also grouping is pretty strong in these 1v5 scenarios. That and Hullbreaker+Demo alone (if theyre deciding not to group) would ruin towers.
Them not having a tower by the 9-10 minute mark and deciding not to invade (maybe its an honor thing?) just baffled me. I really feel like they could have just won in champ select. Insane challenge and a good try.
Why would iron players think of a strat like that or have any thought process, then they wouldn’t be iron.
Well teemo and jhin had a plan to trap up the field so they can constantly keep tabs on him. Just they're still iron for a reason. Teemo kept asking why no one wanted to group. It's cause they're iron. Teemo did feel like he was at least silver though. He even just ulted a bunch while NB was taking baron at the end instead of walking up to auto him and be in range to die. Graves I thought too, but looks like people are saying he was ghosting stream.
You don't even need to fight him. Just pick 2 champs that take towers fast for top and bot (Yorick, Trynd, Jax, Trundle, etc). Then get a easy mage with safe wave clear like Ziggs, Malz, Anvia to just match the Challenger play but not fight them. They just need to wave clear. Then get two jgs because the Challenger wont be able to defend towers and their jg. You want jgs that can take objs and help with towers like Yi, Trundle, Noc, Udyr, Bel, Xin, WW, etc.
Then just ignore the challenger player. Push lanes where he isn't. You can push 3 lanes while he can only push 1.
I swear these 5 are paid actors, half the time they weren't even farming the wave
the point was to simulate an average solo ranked game
My teammate was +11/-30 3 days ago. They're +/-25 right now - you can fix mmr pretty easily if you just improve and start winning
There's no way these aren't paid actors lol. How do they not just group or push both top and bot?
Cuz they're iron.
iron players are litelary braindead
@@codealias3234even irons know the low elo rule:after 13 mins everyone goes mid and plays aram
clearly not real iron players
Well, the fact that it took 40 minutes for 5 players to defeat 1 just proves your point even though you didn't win lmao
Maybe stream sniping a couple time, teemo, and and a ghoster gameplay, you really did well considered how you played standard and not cheesy and them stooping this low. It was entertaining to watch!
8:17-Lol,the TOWERS got a kill before you did!
I'd love to see a 1v5 on lee sin
that's gonna look so cool
that baron without ga was a braindead... xddd
Honestly, it's a relief to not have friendly death announcements all the time. The mentality is usually, I know I can do this if someone on my team doesn't "F" it up too badly.
1v5 vs iron players is just a lunch bananza. i'd personally have so much fun 1v5 iron players lol
i guess this proves it really is impossible to get out of iron
like literally. The enemy team proves how bad irons are and how hard it is to carry them
xdd
@@Equetra_ the copium
these iron players just picked really terrible champions. If it was me I would have picked Veigar for free scaling with stuff like Yuumi Taric Zillean Master Yi
I think the challenge would have been more realistic if the game was 9 bronces/iron and you, because the point was proving you can not climb from those ranks if your teammates hold you back (which is obviously not true if you’re a challenger)
is just that iron need to stop blaming something else than themself if they would learn the basic fundementals they would at least be gold/plat
@@w0uffv379 Even if you have the fundamentals down (good CS rate, lane handling) its hard when your other lanes are each x/0/0 after 3 minutes. (where x usually is >3). A 1v5 isn't really a good representation what the issue with iron really is.
@@arcadebit1551 But that's not every game and if you are top or mid you can easily get MUCH more fed and dominate the map
@@arcadebit1551 you're beyond delusional if you think you can't climb out of iron cause of your teammates
@@Bankai90 I would say it depends. If your personal skill level ist higher bronze or lower silver, it is tough. If you are a gold - plat player, sure you can wipe the floor with your lane and carry the games.
I mean. 5 squishy laners vs an assassin? If you are ever playing a 1v5 against a challenge. Pick CC. Locked the challenger player down.
Now in actual Iron you have to do this exact thing while also giving each of your opponents 1-2 free kills every 25 seconds.
Haven't seen the depths of iron myself but I've played on teams that had some iron players show up for tryouts.
It's unreal how little they understand about the game typically.
The irony of you saying "now have your teammates in Iron giving your opponents 1-2 kills every 25 seconds" and not realizing that also means the enemy team is just as likely to have people feeding that you can take advantage of and thus climb using their bad players as free gold and exp.
"lets do a 1v5" .... "its getting tricky because they outnumber me" XD
Now imagine doing this but the enemy team is also ahead because the rest of yours lost their lanes
It's actually so insane just how hard low elo players cope with them being hardstuck. Literally any excuse, dog ate my homework-type shit, ANYTHING other than them not CS'ing well, dying 4+ times every game, them recalling at bad times and then losing multiple waves, them overstaying with no mana/low hp and dying, them not warding, etc. the list goes on.
Is proven, you can not escape iron. Only having two irons on your team, that you can not communicate with would have made this even harder.
I love comedy comments like this
@@saitamaro6969 Do you think they actually believe this idea or are they trolling on purpose?
@@Seraphim262 theres no way they believe this, so its obviously just some trolls
No way they are iron, they know about the dragons existence.
in 5v5 iron your teammates feed enemy like crazy causing opportunities that should not be there
in 1v5 its not the same experience as you are controlling the enemy economy, they are only getting plates and CS compared to getting an extra 2-3k worth of kill gold
im a D3 peak and tried to help someone in iron and it was hard af trying vs enemies that had an item advantage because of this
True, but these youtubers think that's not the case
I don’t care how fed an iron player is they shouldn’t be able to beat a d3 player. Highly doubt you’re d3. And plates and CS are worth just as much as kills and can be worth even more if the same person is constantly feeding . Not to mention objectives.. bruh ain’t no way you’re d3 lol jus be yourself bro 😂
@@orsteezy7050 go try it yourself, buy a $2 smurf and queue with an iron 1 game and you will see
bruh whatever
@@orsteezy7050 Actually.. I can give an Iron player a huge lead and they could actually win against a diamond with it. It depends on the lead though. Skill is a stat we don't have the exact measurement of skill but it can be beaten by just other stats such as defense and damage. If you are level 18 as an iron player you would still win if your enemy was the best player in the world but was level 1. So somewhere down the road skill gets beaten by stats and a lead. Especially if that level 18 was like senna and the level 1 was anyone that isn't senna.
You have to play with 4 bots against 5 iron players, that's the only way to replicate the experience
I'm not iron close but not iron... but I think in Iron or lower rank your team mates sometime instead of helping you help the enemy team by feeding them intentionally or not. So I think it should be a Nightblue3 vs. 9 Iron Players that could be a more realistic experiment for the seek of science haha
Jesus even your english is iron level
@@hanirko00 Honestly, aside from a few grammar mistakes, it's fine. I've seen FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR worse usage of English.
@@hanirko00 Yeah, that was like listening to a toddler tell you a story after they've had too much sugar. Same stream-of-conscious babbling.
@@TaIathar If that's not fucking mud-level English than we might as well give up on grammar entirely.
@@Lunarcheese72 You do realise english is not everyone's native language right?
it would be more fair if he played alongside 4 "hard" bots, that would be the real iron experience
even iron players can destroy hard bots and snowball him... this bots is stupid
That's the point, they would feed off of the bots...@@anbedaton
If there were 4 iron players on NB's team just to take up lane space, this wouldn't have even been close. He'd have 40+ kills.
But honestly, just playing Hecarim or Fiddles etc might have been enough to run through the entire team.
thats because the enemy team had noob iron players on the team, there are lots of hardstuck iron players with account levels of up to even 300 and they are either sitting there on purpose or they simply cant get out because of mmr and getting matched with a bad team
just because you're high level, doesn't mean you're any better than lower level players. I know a guy who's hardstuck silver 4 at lvl 800, while my dumb ass cousin is around the same level with about 50 games per year@@Rescarf
edit: for example, Yone is lvl 419 and was worse than lvl 59 Jhin
@@dislexyc thats because league mmr is autistic, I have a few accounts and on my main Account when I first started playing I was dropped into silver 2 on my practice account into bronze 3 even though I played better on it overall, because your initial mmr counts a lot, so what happend was your cousin got a nice mmr early and got dropped into silver. Also this is just hard cope for you, he lost against actual bots without deadweight on his team, he proved nothing lol
@@Rescarf Hardstuck detected...
idek who's coping here. those 5 were far from bots I'd say.
-Teemo shroom placement (the best asset on their team btw)
-Them effectively camping his jg a couple of times (while prob a ghosting thing, still it required some basic thinking skills)
-Trapping him at the baron pit and closing the game
There was an evident resistance from them, so you cannot say that him not beating them was in any way a humiliating thing. He literally played Rengar for balance, where he could just pick hullbreaker Yi and stomp.
What's more, is that he pretty much proved a point. He took baron and elder all alone, deflected all the pressure from sidelanes and kept his CS well over 10 per min while playing conciously enough to die only 4 times in a 35+ min game constantly being pressed by 5 players.
If he had any kind of a team, even a trash one, he would've simply destroyed the enemy team while his teammates could absorb the pressure and be useful doing literally whatever.
This wraps it up with 2 conclusions:
1. Iron players are iron for a reason. Being stripped off of 2 biggest objectives and dying 23 times in total when playing a 5v1 is self-explanatory as of why these iron level players are in... iron
2. If you are good enough, you will climb out of iron. Despite these players' poor gameplay, they still managed to win. Not because these iron players are secretly challengers cursed by mmr, but because league is a game, in which teams thrive - not just individual players. In league you can be a 15-0 full-built assassin but get chain cc'ed for 10 seconds and still get whooped if you're all alone. If you are as good as him, or simply better than iron, however contrary to him you're blessed with 4 teammates that can at least push the waves for you, you're gonna climb.
@@Nikuu_13 cope harder please, he went up against the worst iron team on his region and still lost, not only did he NOT prove a point, the fact that every single one of you inbreds think that he couldve won with hullbreaker yi is baffling. And if he actually had irons on his team too, yeah he would have a chance to win but itd be a coinflip of which team feeds the less. You should just drop this argument, he played this game to win and prove that iron is easy, then he lost and failed to prove anything.
honestly not having 4 teammates is a HUGE advantage in iron. coming from a d2 player i have a much easier time 1v5ing 5 irons than i do 5v5ing 5 irons with 4 irons on my team. even if they are iron, they can still lock braindead champs and get hard fed by the team to the point where its out of your control entirely. when its a 1v5 you have all the control. the game is won or lost by your decisions. i can live with that. i cant live as easy with the fact 80% of my losses are from teammates hard inting the enemy into a 10/0 lead at 5mins.
I once won vs 5 newbies with 4 bot allies. I was old eve and went 45/12/23 or smth. The bots were useful for holding lanes down and baiting the players to push so I could gank them.
liar
@@m1n3h4ck Why's that hard to believe? Seems completely possible. One of my wildest games was a 1v5 in a real game with Akali soon after her rework when she was busted. One teammate left, caused the other to leave which caused the other to leave so the last guy left as well. I won that game which goes to show just how busted reworked akali was before her 200 nerfs. This guy did it with 4 bots on his side, 100% possible.
@@m1n3h4ck I did the same back when I used to play. Was years ago when the average skill level of players was WAY lower (these days, even low elo players know more than what most high elo players knew back then). The skill gap to move from low and high elo is simply far lower than it used to be, which is why the lowest elos are such coinflips. In Iron, you get players who would have made it to diamond back in season 3/4 stuck in the same tier as people who didn't even belong in bronze back then.
@@xdrago1051 u cant afford to die 12 times and bots rarely kill eachother so how would he have 20+ assists
Cool stuff! :)@@xdrago1051
idk if iron changed but i went from bronze II in S2022 to hardstuck iron IV in S3 2024 and didn't play in between those. Only learned about the fundamentals 4 weeks ago. I found that in iron you can just roam and completely disregard the wave state and still get ahead because it will always result in one or more kills. I'm not doing that right now as I'm trying to create good habits. One interesting thing is that i made an alt and after 150 ish games of playing normals, I'm consistently being matched up with and against silver players. If i play normal draft on my main, I'm against actual new players who have no hands and are blindfolded. Often getting 20+ kills with orianna and a 85% winrate. In ranked it's more like 20% win rate with orianna. Clearly I'm doing something wrong, but also clearly something weird is going on with my MMR. Not really worried about my ranked rn though, it's just that I can't play normals because it makes me worse at the game.
the thing is he would never get all the gold from the minion waves if his iron team were there feeding
Two things:
1.) They didn't say you would be hardstuck in Iron, they basically said it would take more time to move up from a hardstuck account and wanted you to attempt it.
2.) Playing 1v5 is actually probably easier, with the correct champion, than playing 5v5 with four inting players on your team.
No, literally no. You don't have 4 players feeding every game, so, playing 5v5 is always trully better.
these iron players are delusional, 1v5 is leagues harder than 99% of iron games. His game was harder because they stream snipe the whole game as well.
I know right xDD, it's so funny how they are not even trolling with those comments. Iron players that aren't trolling are literally people with 80 IQ or players that have just leveled up to 30 and have a few first games out in iron. At most 50 games that you will have to stay in iron but i don't know how that's possible when I've literally tried to lose on purpose and i win instead, gaining like 40 lp.
The game just wants you out of iron fr
Also, there is literally an instant promotion with no requirement to win 3 games in a row to climb up
38 minutes and he DID NOT prove them wrong
bry really said a "1v5 to prove em wrong" with basically no rules would be truly easy ☠☠☠☠☠☠☠
should have had solo tanks in each lane that utilize armor well like malph, amumu and rammus, plus a jungle duo with a hypercarry and a support with double smite taking all camps. would have been a joke of a game.
@@MFWb00bi3s So literally don't pick Iron/low elo players for this example that it is beyond easy to climb out of low elo? Iron players wouldn't be picking srtong comps and even if they do they would malphite ult 2 inches in front of them by accident because they were trying to hit their F key to flash and missclicked. You really don't understand just how hilariously bad at the game Iron is.
@CataclysmicSC2 GoodLuckHaveFun, NA. That's me, iron last season. If I can theory craft that comp in about 30 seconds, I'm sure 4 more of me could implement it well enough to win.
20:00 why no one is pushing from enemy team foe 3 minutes? what they are ding? siting in base?
Not having a team at all seems better to me than having your team feed the enemy samira 20 kills before 12 minutes
nah, as can be seen here, he was struggling to stop the minions from killing his nexus. Even if they do feed, at least they can help deal with waves as well as get your opponent to waste stuff on them. A fed iron player really doesn't mean much.
Having a team alleviates map pressure, literal 1v5 simply isn't possible
fed iron player = free shutdown for the chall player
@@danieltsiu7383 A fed iron player is literally just as strong as an 0/10 iron player. It doesn't matter if the enemy team gets fed when you are low elo because they 10/10 times WILL throw their leads making objectively awful plays and throw the game away. Every. Single. Time.
Love how they chase for dumb plays instead of just going drake or pushing free waves, like if the whole ennemy team is on one side don't follow them pressure the other side
you didn't prove anything
I'm pretty sure that this would be impossible with teammates/bot teammates, because monster hunter isn't applied when you're solo. The 4-6 level advantage is so massive.
does this prove that nb3 is iron level ?
Anyone that unironically thinks 1v5 is easier than 1v9 lacks two brain cells to rub together
It is easier. It's like playing 1 vs 5, but the ennemies even get gold from your teammates, so you can't even 1v1 anyone on paper.
That's not the same… u don't have 4 Feeders with u, that's 1 v 5, in real scenario it's 1v9
This xD
nah he needed some wave clear from 4 cannon minion teammates thats all. It wouldnt have mattered if jhin or lux had items cuz they mostly got 1 shot and rengar healed the dmg if they even did any. he lost to minions not enemy team
Picking rengar was the stupidest choice for a 1v5 possibly ever
bro is hard stuck in iron gg
play vs Yorick, Shyvana, Fiora, Belveth, Nasus
How does he get Vision of lux at 19:51 ???
You really needed to have the chat in this video.
They proved you right. 5 iron players can beat a challenge if they work together
Playing vs 5 Iron players and going 0:2 was funny early was funny af
1 thing made me realise in season 2024, duskblade was too broken beyond comprehension.
I wan't to see the iron account farming where its harder because its 1v5 and your teammates fed them
That teemo was spot on with his Flash. Interesting
Everybody saying 5v5 would be harder does not appear to understand map pressure lol. The reason he lost this is because he can't be everywhere at once. Even if your team is feeding they're at LEAST gonna be keeping waves back, not to mention if they're feeding eventually they're not worth gold anymore. Realistically if he had 4 awful teammates, they would've simply held the line while he won the game, because as fast as he can nuke objectives on rengar, the enemy team cannot ignore him or they just instalose 🤷
Have u ever seen silver/bronz games? I agree 5vs5 should be easier mainly because he wouldnt be the only target. But low elo players are not the smartest players XD so many times i had 0 5 top in 12min, plus they are fighting in the jg over wolfs while minions were destroying Nexus towers XD
@@nmnmnmp4503 yup, I'm well aware having had many games like that myself in the past lol. That said, point still stands. He needed at least some vaguely warm bodies to keep the waves out. Obviously mechanically he was dog walking them, but a horde of minions is unfortunately a horde of minions
I feel like I am being memed on with all these 1v5 is easier comments. The way it all works, your team is just as likely to get fed as feed, the outlier is you. Yes, you probably should play a champ that doesnt need to play around their team to climb out of these low elo games, but at the same time statistics are statistics... You are on average as likely to get the team "iron braindead feeding" as the team getting fed. Are people actually this dumb? these comments are unreal lmao
after placements the worst you can have is bronze to be iron you need to have less then 50% winratio. statisticaly spaking if you play avarage you will have 50% winratio and be stuck in bronze.
irons are so bad that they get down to the iron from bronze= they are braindead@@sonofsollen2193
there's no map pressure when your team ints 5 times and is afk in base. it's the same game he played but on nightmare mode.
easier to win when you don't have 4 cannon minions that randomly give 300 gold instead of the usual amount
When facing noobs, you actually want to slow push waves into them then roam and kill. If you're 1v5 you can't afford to crash even waves. You need the time that pushing waves give you. You can outplay them and kill them all in fights, so an extra couple CS (they won't get half of them) won't really hurt that much in comparison to being shoved in the whole time.
Fun Fact: 1v5 has a lot of advantage to it... like enemy team having only 1 source of kill gold, which in iron games will be more than farm NerdFace
your worste enemy in silver isn't lack of knowledge, it's the deny of it.
I need someone doing this with Fiddlestick for a true horror game experience.
next up 1v9, 5 enemies 4 iron teamates INTENTIONALLY feeding, and 1 challenger. That is the actual challenge in the iron category
you really think it's harder to play against 1 player defending 3 lanes alone than against 5 players where 4 of them play bad?
@@grineee5097 depends, if the ally player is iron 4 laning against a bronze/silver (has happened to me btw) then it is harder, otherwise no it is easier. But it is different to be lvl 16 fighting against lvl 10s who cant cs and different being lvl 10 and having to fight against a lvl 12 who is 1 rank and 10 kills above you
And btw all irons cant cs, including me
Also note, I said different not harder/easier
@@odisseassomeb3558 You just confirmed that you can't cs and that's the reason why u lose more often than win. Playing with team, even bad, is much easier because you can use chat and ping in important moments. I'm not saying it would work every game, but challeger-level player can win 95+% games in iron only based on mechanical and strategic decisions, which you can always improve by playing, watching tutorials and training.
With these points I can confidently say that you are not sitting in iron because of you team and that was the point.
btw You said it's the "actual challenge" so I assumed you mean playing without team is less hard