Vatican II Errors: Collegiality
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- The Vatican II error of collegiality is discussed and how it introduces doctrinal errors incompatible with Church Tradition and is leading to the destruction of the visible structure of the Church.
Link to essay: Vatican II Errors on Collegiality- catholicesquir...
C. Esquire, I am always happy to see the flame of the Truth appearing; today i caught you 36 sec after. I am an old lady, grew up in the true Church; there was order in the Church, and order is a sign of the Holy Ghost. We knew who we are, what our duties and rights are; the priests knew, the bishops, and the pope knew it. We could focus on living a holy life, worship God and eventually go to Him. We could travel all over the world and have the same Mass, the same believe, it was truly holy and catholic. Of course, the Evil one had to do everything to destroy this, to bring chaos to God's creation again. However, the last word will be the Word of God.
Thank you Esquire, for explaining all so well, it is truly your particular gift; to shed light into this evil mess, to explain, and to give hope that is the gift you again gave to me and all of good willmwho have ears to hear. Gratias et Deo gratias.
I want the Latin Mass in every parish! I’m in my mid-70’s & still can’t get used to the Novus Ordo! The Sign of Peace should be removed..too much commotion in the middle of the Mass!
Thank you for the kind feedback. It inspires me to keep doing these.
@@annie7264amen. I find it extremely annoying.
@@catholicesquireplease don’t stop. Send an invite to AB Aquila. Get the archdiocese on board
Catholic Esquire
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You are one of my two must see channels when a new video drops.
The brevity, clarity, and thoroughness of your videos is very much appreciated. This coupled with your writings on your web site gives viewers a way to gain a more complete explanation of the topic.
I wholeheartedly encourage your viewers to make time to read your essays if they really want a fuller understanding.😮
The treasure chest containing the deposit of faith and tradition needs to be opened by those who do not believe or lost their faith. They don't need to convert to another religion because they have remained constant throughout their existence. They just need to explore what has been hidden or ignored for the past 50 (almost 60) years.
Keep up the great work. You will receive the ultimate reward in the end
Thanks for those kind words and feedback. They really do help because sometimes it's hard to know if any of it helps.
Quietly, but methodically over time remove stones from the foundation until the whole house comes tumbling down. It's been nearly sixty years since Vatican II. It would appear that in the minds of the modernists it's time to remove those final stones..
the babylonian captivity lasted 70 years... are u ready?
Thank you, Catholic Esquire, for pointing out clearly what are not merely ambiguities in the certain VII documents, but flat out errors contradicting earlier teachings. The VII boat has quite a few leaks in its hull.
You are doing a wonderful job!!!!
Most appreciated!
Right on the money. I was just listening to Archbishop Lefebvre “Open Letter to Confused Catholics” and he addresses those same errors.
yet sspx says it agrees with 95% of vatican 2. just google " sspx we agree with 95% of vatican 2 " and youll find it on their very own website. they actually brag that theyre more loyal to v2 then the modern "church" ... lol
He is still excommunicated
@@matthewschmidt5069 I don’t think he is. The excommunication was removed from the three bishops he ordained and while Lefebvre wasn’t named this is because he was dead. But logically, if the 3 bishops excommunication was lifted, why wouldn’t Lefebvre’s excommunication also be lifted?
@joelpenley9791 Incorrect. The Church did not lift it, and you can't assume it has.
“Excommunication is a penalty of law and thus only relates to the living. There is no way to remove an excommunication for someone who has died because there is no need -- excommunication in effect ceases at death.
Excommunication doesn't directly affect one's salvation; it might have an indirect effect. One of the effects of excommunication is the inability to receive any sacraments until the penalty is lifted. Since this includes the sacrament of confession, it becomes very difficult for the excommunicate to receive absolution for mortal sins unless they also repent of the act, which resulted in the excommunication (or otherwise had the penalty lifted, for example, appealed to a higher authority on grounds the penalty was unjustly imposed, etc).
A perfect act of contrition remains possible for the excommunicated if they resolve to go to confession at their earliest convenience (which necessarily includes the intention to resolve their excommunication).
The larger effect on one's salvation would be the willful abandonment of the Church. Attendance at Mass remains obligatory for the excommunicated.”
A number of saints endured unjust excommunication.
Some saints were accused of heresy. St. Alphonsus of Liguori, discussing the patience of persecuted saints, writes (True Spouse of Jesus Christ ch. 13, §3, EPUB ref:839.48):
All the saints have been persecuted in this world. St. Basil was accused of heresy before St. Damasus, Pope. St. Cyril of Jerusalem was condemned as a heretic by forty bishops, and was deprived of his see.
He continues with examples of saints accused of lesser sins than heresy.
St. Joan of Arc was excommunicated by her local bishop.
Pope St. Marcellinus was deposed for having offered incense to idols (albeit out of fear*) but later recanted and was re-elected pope.
*St. Robert Bellarmine argues in Papal Error?: A Defense of Popes said to have Erred in Fatih that "Marcelinus neither taught something against faith, nor was a heretic, or unfaithful, except by an external act on account of the fear of death". Others may disagree.
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Very excellent presentation, and so badly needed. Thanks.
Thanks for this series. I have loads of Novus Ordos who refuse to watch the SSPX podcasts, read +Lefebvre's books, or any other obvious materials from trads against VII. It's like it's something they have to just take as a leap of faith.
I understand. It's frustrating but a lot of them do and others will come around in time when they see and talk to others who used to be N.O. but found tradition.
Will you please do a show also about the problems with the new code of canon law ?
Vatican 2 is promulgating a new religion.
Liturgy, Ecumenism, Religious Liberty, Collegiality, and Modernism have been accepted as topics for discussion with the Magisterium by the Institute of the Good Shepherd (IBP). Attacks from the outside are less effective than working from within the inside in a respectful manner. Either you believe the gates of hell will prevail or you do not. To ignore that these differences are not being worked on for some time is disingenuous.
Were not the Eastern Orthodox excommunicated for the Pope being, "The first among equals". Is that not what is called Collegiality?
Jesus said to Peter, " That his acknowledgement of Him as 'The Son of GOD, The Messiah", that it was The Holy Spirit that revealed it, and upon this rock he would build His Church.
Jesus made Peter the head of His Church, all others were subject to him except if he entered into error!
If that is the current understanding then how do they have standing to persecute lefbvre and other bishops?
Catholic Esquire - are you a 1958 sede? It appears you are saying the Church officially taught error, something that isn't supposed to happen per pre-VII theology. Thanks!
The institutional Church was taken over by Modernist heretics in Vatican II and they do not believe nor teach the true Catholic faith. The true Catholic Church has not and can never teach heresies.
So what stops Bishop Strickland, for example, starting his own Church or Bishoprick legitimately within the Catholic Church if the Pope is eroding his won authority?
Are you willing to accept the plain truth of Scripture?
"Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. (1 Cor. 12:4-6)"
I don't understand your point.
@@catholicesquire Administrations: whether by a pontiff, magisterium, presbytery, synod, etc. the source of authority is the Lord.
Orthodox here. I have a genuine question: if Vatican 2 promoted errors, what happened to the Roman dogma 'the Roman Church will never err in perpetuity' - Dictatus Papae, 1075AD?
The Roman Church will never err but it is possible for individual members of the Church, even in the hierarchy, to err unless under very specific conditions. Vatican 2 was not a dogmatic council and never claimed to be speaking infallibly on matters of doctrine.
@@catholicesquire Vatican 2 changed the face of the Roman Church beyond recognition. The liturgy, the iconography, the architecture, the sacraments, the teachings of the Roman Church have nothing to do with what existed before.
The idea that the Roman Pontiff has to express a dogma ex-cathedra to make dogmatic changes real is a fiction. Take the way Rome treats 'heretics'. Thomas Aquinas justified their persecution as 'murderers of souls'. Now the Roman Pontiff washes the feet of Muslims. And before John-Paul II kissed the Qur'an. You don't need ex cathedra proclamations to change the doctrine of the faith. Also the Church is the people. If the people err, the Church errs.
My point is you told us in 1054 that we needed to follow a sinner for our salvation otherwise we were out of the Church. Now we have the demonstration that following that sinner is not a guarantee, is it?
We did a better job preserving our liturgy, teachings, iconography, sacred architecture despite not having the benefit of a Roman Pontiff.
So maybe, just maybe you should consider the possibility that we we were right on that topic and the error didn't appear in 1962 but in 1054.
Kyrie eleison ☦
@@catholicesquire Vatican II issued dogmatic constitutions.
Of course, it is precisely by divine right and fiat that the Papacy was established, and the donation by Christ/God of the Keys to Peter ALONE seals the true teaching of the Tradition of the Church on the Papacy. The Keys unlock and give the jurisdictional power to every one of the other apostles and their successors. It is very plain, as is the terrible heresy of collegiality in "Lumen Gentium". The "Light of (to) the Nations" , by means of this document is not the Light of Christ, but the false light (darkness) of Luci-fer.
Collegiality is definitional to the Catholic Church. The idea that the Pope governs the Church in collaboration with the Bishops of local churches while respecting their autonomy is how the Church has always run. Please stop talking down on God’s Church & Councils.
Ugh
Its funny you attack the Council as if you could claim authority over the College of Bishops. JP2 would rebuke you as would Pius XII and gis predecessors.
He is simply telling the truth. He tells us what the true Catholic Church has always taught which isn't what Vatican II teaches on the papacy and the college of bishops.
@@stopfabrications The "true Catholic Church" is what? Opposing Rome is Protestantism 101
I was told collegeality was historically how the church operated. East and West, when united, supposedly worked this way, and The Pope was first among equally kind of thing.
Sigh
Part of the problem is that practically, the Pope could not exercise his jurisdiction in times past when technology and communication was not as good as today but doctrinally speaking the Pope has always held a unique primacy given by Christ to Saint Peter. Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus says to Peter, And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church...
You have been deceived.
tfw when you realize SEDE is the only logical position.