What i never hear these tech bros talk about is where all the minerals and energy is going to come from to implement all this AGI/robot bs. We have depleted the easy to get sources of all of this stuff but somehow we are going magic this vital stuff into existence
Yeah none of this shit is scalable. If they try to that's pretty much game over for us as a species because we'll be sitting at 3 degrees average global temperature warming and technofuturism is pretty much moot.
I wish I had a nickel for each fucking moronic thing this guy shits out of his mouth. I'm 4 nibutes in and I am already going to have to pay taxes on my unrealized gains. This guy is a technoservant to his moron overloards.
this one feels pretty disconnected from, like, the lives of actual people in the world. The democracy vs social programs part highlights that - if people have a meaningful voice, and the majority of them live in dire poverty, then they will be able to reorganize society to alleviate that poverty, like how the social democratic world was built in the first place. The idea that democracy, or freedom, is being able to start a business without incurring an exit tax is absurd. Guess his ideology being separate from people's actual lives is partially a product of the AGI stuff, which is one hell of a bet to make - the number of microprocessors, batteries, & precision motors needed to automate the majority of useful work on earth is absurd, even with our current already unsustainable industrial output
37:35 "Being aware of the harm... in theory." Ouch. It is okay to push back against Luddite inter-generational fear-mongering. At the same time, there are clear and demonstrable harms being done by technology dependence. It is one thing to argue that technology can grow into a more encompassing but positive role in our lives, but the self-esteem issues, incel and related anti-social worldviews, and actual suicides and mass homicides linked to technology-exasperated depression are not theoretical. Also, feel free to fight on how causal those issues are to technology, but you would have to prove all of these harms are not caused or worsened by technology dependence.
Great conversation, especially the discussion of the practical pros and cons of network states. Easy to denigrate them but much harder to lucidly speculate on the actual role they will play in shaping the present and near future. Also obligatory "we need nick mullen on the pod"
Also, I am pretty sure this guy may be a hairless Peter Thiel clone that escaped from his lab where he keeps his oiled up cabana boys. Not surprised Thiel’s hairless clone is out here advocating for lower taxes for VCs. Damn you Thiel and your hairless clones!
Wake up you Sheeple! This guy is Thiel’s hairless clone he sends out to do his VC tax reform bidding. Thiel has an experimental lab where he produces 5 Thiel clones a day. It’s like the Multiplicity movie with Michael Keaton only with Peter Thiel. Thiel can’t clone hair yet.
He is mental imo, or just way overconfident. He’s an artist, where the fuck are his credentials being so so certain that we’re on the verge of godlike AI? Just vibes? Cause a bunch of tech bros want it so bad? The human labour force is being replaced by robots? There’s 8 billion humans and how many robots? Do we even have the resources available? Will that not destroy the entire ecosystem of earth to build? To use zoomer speak wtf is bro yapping about?
I'm interested in his unique perspective and even as someone on the socialist spectrum I can respect his critical views on things that seemingly go against my own. What I can't respect was near the end when he starts talking about the baiting by the democratic party to demonize crypto. Specifically how despite having all these insightful things to say, his myopic view is that his participation or lack there of in electoral politics hinges on his feeling of alienation by the democratic party "baiting" him with progressive social policies to regulate crypto. Participating in digital currencies doesn't make you a bad person but having that particular worldview makes you an unserious person.
I've appreciated Daniel Keller's insights since the early New Models days. Personally I think some of those mocking/making reductive remarks would feel differently if they were more familiar with the evolution of his thinking. Josh seems to always work against echo chambers. It's what the left needs, please keep it up.
Keller's deep investment in AGI bringing about the singularity could only be the result of an insane echo chamber. It's interesting to hear his thoughts only in as much as it lays bare the ghoulish visions of the contemporary crypto / nrx / acc crowds that posture abt sovereignty & freedom & collaborate with the security state at the first chance. Why would you trust their assessment of things?
Keller's investment in AGI bringing about the singularity could only be the result of an intense echo chamber though. It's useful to hear him out only in demonstrating the ghoulish visions of these crypto / nrx / whatever-acc nuts, as they posture towards libertarian "freedom" while jumping at any chance to collaborate with the security state for the big bucks. They're looking for their cut of the pie, not actual reinvestment in social spending or "human potential projects" or whatever they need to say to sell this shit. My question is why would you trust his assessment of things?
@@bathtubbs he was literally talking about yuckin it up the Yarvinians and trying to sell the idea of a network state as a good thing. Did YOU listen to this shit?
i see a lot of people upset in the comments but am glad and excited to hear the updated views of keller, he’s a smart guy and i appreciate the diverse views on the show ❤
I wish he advanced literally any support for his AGI/humanoid robot/UBI scheme. I'm sure he believes it but I'm more interested in why; what books, papers, lectures, or events give him such zealous faith. Sure better tools to sift through data (AGI) are good but only as good as their data. Why would humanoid robots be superior to the robots we already have now? How do we get past a national allergy to paying (UBI) the "undeserving"? Maybe I missed those answers, they seem lost in mild witticism and tech babble
This is what I felt too. Josh has been consistently good at asking probing questions to understand the guest more but that simply didn't happen here. I was interested to know more as a sceptic of what he was asserting
can someone help me understand how is it not disgusting to be so infatuated with the unabomber? three people died and 23 were maimed for life. I am trying to be open but I find it utterly disgusting and I almost didn’t finish the podcast out of sheer emotion.
Every one that pays property tax pays money for unrealized gains. So it's a question if billionaires should pay a tax on stocks that represent shares in a company that owns assets.
Great content, as always! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
Man i feel bad for continuing to shit on this guy but the “changing worldviews” section of his political journey reminds me of people who stop listening to a musician cause of the “toxic fanbase”… it should be about the music man, in this case your ideals not cause you feel in the wrong social group
This guy is yet another deliusional person who thinks agi is around the corner, and that corporatocracy needs even more power, and that ubi is already in a sense some crypto nonsense he couldn't even describe.
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Oh damn his "futuristic technopolitics" is all about deregulation and lowering taxes thats so crazy
What i never hear these tech bros talk about is where all the minerals and energy is going to come from to implement all this AGI/robot bs. We have depleted the easy to get sources of all of this stuff but somehow we are going magic this vital stuff into existence
Listen to the Jim Keller bit on Demystifysci pod about resource extraction
Yeah none of this shit is scalable. If they try to that's pretty much game over for us as a species because we'll be sitting at 3 degrees average global temperature warming and technofuturism is pretty much moot.
Say it louder for the people in the back ‼️‼️
I wish I had a nickel for each fucking moronic thing this guy shits out of his mouth. I'm 4 nibutes in and I am already going to have to pay taxes on my unrealized gains. This guy is a technoservant to his moron overloards.
"We are in the early days of the singularity" I think it is better if I don't watch this one first thing as I wake up
I just woke up and I wish I'd read the comments first
"technology induced schizophrenia" seems like a fitting epitaph for us all
this one feels pretty disconnected from, like, the lives of actual people in the world. The democracy vs social programs part highlights that - if people have a meaningful voice, and the majority of them live in dire poverty, then they will be able to reorganize society to alleviate that poverty, like how the social democratic world was built in the first place. The idea that democracy, or freedom, is being able to start a business without incurring an exit tax is absurd. Guess his ideology being separate from people's actual lives is partially a product of the AGI stuff, which is one hell of a bet to make - the number of microprocessors, batteries, & precision motors needed to automate the majority of useful work on earth is absurd, even with our current already unsustainable industrial output
lmao just got to the end and keeping crypto entirely unregulated valued over womens' rights & mass deportation campaigns bit. freedom!!!
democracy?
Yeah i felt like this guy was pretty removed from reality. Appreciate the other POV tho
This dude is as wonderbread tech bro as it gets lmfao
the epic techno transhumanist whose main conviction seems to be “my taxes should be lower because I’m a wealth creator”
Poor guy, more people need to be concerned about this 😢💔
“There aren’t enough people out there concerned about old buildings!” - White Lotus S2
I’m interested in how agi will lower the price of olive oil
37:35 "Being aware of the harm... in theory." Ouch. It is okay to push back against Luddite inter-generational fear-mongering. At the same time, there are clear and demonstrable harms being done by technology dependence. It is one thing to argue that technology can grow into a more encompassing but positive role in our lives, but the self-esteem issues, incel and related anti-social worldviews, and actual suicides and mass homicides linked to technology-exasperated depression are not theoretical.
Also, feel free to fight on how causal those issues are to technology, but you would have to prove all of these harms are not caused or worsened by technology dependence.
This whole video feels like a viral marketing scheme for some tech startup
Viral? Motherfucker the only people watching this channel are me and like 12 other nerds
HELL YEAH NEW DOOMSCROLL
Great conversation, especially the discussion of the practical pros and cons of network states. Easy to denigrate them but much harder to lucidly speculate on the actual role they will play in shaping the present and near future.
Also obligatory "we need nick mullen on the pod"
You would call this lucid?
We want the Mulldog
My friend Nick should be on here for sure
@ don’t need to agree with the conclusions to appreciate the substance
Just two dudes getting excited about incomplete pipe bombs.
Stop selling this techno optimism. Of course this guy works for a start up.
They are optimistic about their monopolies taking over the world and enslaving us. UBI? U be lying, bro!
Also, I am pretty sure this guy may be a hairless Peter Thiel clone that escaped from his lab where he keeps his oiled up cabana boys. Not surprised Thiel’s hairless clone is out here advocating for lower taxes for VCs. Damn you Thiel and your hairless clones!
* complains about hearing different perspectives on a podcast that features different perspectives *
bro, did u hear anything
me if I was an insufferable retard
When he started talking about airdrop crypto ubi i realised this guy had no idea what he was talking about 😂
cool beanie loser
He literally said the experiments didn't do well and was entertaining hypothetical scenarios. You're dense.
@@user-wm1oe7sj8m thnks
@ it’s more if you consider this as a hypothetical to look at your already cooked
@@Remo9200 Inept even at replying. Of course it'd be someone like you with that take.
Peter Thiel next please!
Wake up you Sheeple! This guy is Thiel’s hairless clone he sends out to do his VC tax reform bidding. Thiel has an experimental lab where he produces 5 Thiel clones a day. It’s like the Multiplicity movie with Michael Keaton only with Peter Thiel. Thiel can’t clone hair yet.
peter thiel biting the curb 8k UHD 120fps next please!
lmaoooOo
This guys whole worldview is predicated on agi actually being rolled out in the next 50 years, which to me seems mental
Not in the UK
@@user-wm1oe7sj8m what? AGI is going to spring up in the UK first? I repeat myself, what?
@@anannon8384 that's right, our lovely island has assembled a 17 ton mound of rotting chips that will seize the Throne of God
He is mental imo, or just way overconfident. He’s an artist, where the fuck are his credentials being so so certain that we’re on the verge of godlike AI? Just vibes? Cause a bunch of tech bros want it so bad?
The human labour force is being replaced by robots? There’s 8 billion humans and how many robots? Do we even have the resources available? Will that not destroy the entire ecosystem of earth to build?
To use zoomer speak wtf is bro yapping about?
I'm interested in his unique perspective and even as someone on the socialist spectrum I can respect his critical views on things that seemingly go against my own. What I can't respect was near the end when he starts talking about the baiting by the democratic party to demonize crypto. Specifically how despite having all these insightful things to say, his myopic view is that his participation or lack there of in electoral politics hinges on his feeling of alienation by the democratic party "baiting" him with progressive social policies to regulate crypto. Participating in digital currencies doesn't make you a bad person but having that particular worldview makes you an unserious person.
I've appreciated Daniel Keller's insights since the early New Models days. Personally I think some of those mocking/making reductive remarks would feel differently if they were more familiar with the evolution of his thinking. Josh seems to always work against echo chambers. It's what the left needs, please keep it up.
Keller's deep investment in AGI bringing about the singularity could only be the result of an insane echo chamber. It's interesting to hear his thoughts only in as much as it lays bare the ghoulish visions of the contemporary crypto / nrx / acc crowds that posture abt sovereignty & freedom & collaborate with the security state at the first chance. Why would you trust their assessment of things?
I feel like any negative comments must have come from people who didn’t even listen through the full ep. Ykwim lol🔁
Keller's investment in AGI bringing about the singularity could only be the result of an intense echo chamber though. It's useful to hear him out only in demonstrating the ghoulish visions of these crypto / nrx / whatever-acc nuts, as they posture towards libertarian "freedom" while jumping at any chance to collaborate with the security state for the big bucks. They're looking for their cut of the pie, not actual reinvestment in social spending or "human potential projects" or whatever they need to say to sell this shit. My question is why would you trust his assessment of things?
@@bathtubbs he was literally talking about yuckin it up the Yarvinians and trying to sell the idea of a network state as a good thing. Did YOU listen to this shit?
i see a lot of people upset in the comments but am glad and excited to hear the updated views of keller, he’s a smart guy and i appreciate the diverse views on the show ❤
Wahhh wah won’t somebody please think of the stock price of massive Tech platforms??
You keep posting these low effort heckling type comments, very cool!
@@joesligo1516 high effort is a critique. Slobbin a knob is low effort friend.
I wish he advanced literally any support for his AGI/humanoid robot/UBI scheme. I'm sure he believes it but I'm more interested in why; what books, papers, lectures, or events give him such zealous faith.
Sure better tools to sift through data (AGI) are good but only as good as their data. Why would humanoid robots be superior to the robots we already have now? How do we get past a national allergy to paying (UBI) the "undeserving"? Maybe I missed those answers, they seem lost in mild witticism and tech babble
He really had a lot of nothing to say and a bunch of false hype for the machine god.
This is what I felt too. Josh has been consistently good at asking probing questions to understand the guest more but that simply didn't happen here. I was interested to know more as a sceptic of what he was asserting
I was riveted through the entire conversation. Very interesting guest!
can someone help me understand how is it not disgusting to be so infatuated with the unabomber? three people died and 23 were maimed for life. I am trying to be open but I find it utterly disgusting and I almost didn’t finish the podcast out of sheer emotion.
Protect Dan at all cost...
The best chairs in podcasting!
Every one that pays property tax pays money for unrealized gains. So it's a question if billionaires should pay a tax on stocks that represent shares in a company that owns assets.
Douglas Rushkoff pls
absolutely the hardest 45mins of doomscrolling so far holy shiiiiit
Oh man that was way short, interesting talk though
really really good podcast. need to look more into this guy
You're telling me his art is just showing off things he bought?
Fr this art shit Josh is into is fucking cringe
This guys brain is broken
He seems meth-y tbh
Much as this dude seems to know about the world, he seems completely decoupled from reality
Literally.. he’s a tech bro egg. Struggling to come out of the closet and transition
what exactly did he mean by "inherited by Camala administration?"
I’m surmising that this was recorded before the 2024 election and Joshua is saying that the Harris campaign “inherited” this policy position
The ads for this video are incessant.
40 minutes :(
Isn’t “early singularity” kind of confusing the single part of it
Turned this off as soon as he started defending not taxing wealth
Get Dr Michael Hudson on
Great content, as always! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
does he have any social media or places he posts? i can't find anything of his online
Dnlklr
Does ai have an instagram? This guy is a nanobot projected hologram of the ai personality.
dnlklr
Sorry for the insult, but the opening reminded me of the old joke about nuclear fusion: “always 30 years away”.
What do the ACRONYMS MEAN
UBI is universal basic income. AGI is artificial general intelligence.
Where'd you find this one? He gives "west of the rockies" vibes
anyone talking about the singularity favorably also knows the age of consent laws for every state
27:43 this is the problem we need solutions to
I do not believe in the market or competition as being good or helpful at all
Man i feel bad for continuing to shit on this guy but the “changing worldviews” section of his political journey reminds me of people who stop listening to a musician cause of the “toxic fanbase”… it should be about the music man, in this case your ideals not cause you feel in the wrong social group
Too short!
Whelp… I’m depressed again
Try ashwaganda
What in the actual shit is this.
12:10 ASML wont sell China EUV lithography machines
First!
Having your entire worldview shifted by a digital currency is mind-boggling.
if taxes can be dodged then why do we bother paying them at all
The most sus guest so far. Crypto guy that says AGI is “inevitable” and “close” and is “really concerned about antisemitism”
Landian brainrot that Josh takes "very seriously"
"Taiwan doesn't have a lot of resources" bro doesn't understand the concept of capital goods
hard pass
incredible how fake both of them act... horrible irony poisoned behavior
This guy is yet another deliusional person who thinks agi is around the corner, and that corporatocracy needs even more power, and that ubi is already in a sense some crypto nonsense he couldn't even describe.
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absolutely psycho stuff, man
OMG!
SmoothShrek!!
Also just talking his book. So boring.
clown to clown conversation
Interview @Xaniken - probably the funniest guntwitter personality. Not sure if he will be ever willing to appear on camera though