Existentialism vs Absurdism - Explanations and Differences
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- Can I go over Existentialism vs Absurdism?
A viewer on this channel asked an interesting question: What’s the difference between the philosophy of Absurdism and the philosophy of Existentialism?
So, I’ll answer that question in this video, as there are certainly some differences.
Just to clarify, this person was referring to the philosophy of Existentialism associated with 20th-century European philosophers-particularly John Paul Sartre, who popularized the term. Some scholars extend the term back to Sorin Kierkegaard, and others extend it as far back as Socrates.
In this video, I’ll explain the difference between the Absurdism of Albert Camus and the Existentialism of John Paul Sartre. Let’s dive in.
#existentialism #absurdism
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For me, accepting that there is no purpose or meaning at all felt good - No fear of death, no searching for a bigger picture, just trying to enjoy the things that give me fulfilment and my own purpose. As a teenager I thought those were just nihilstic tendencies, but absurdism is a lot closer to what I "believe" - sometimes it's nice to know there is a term for your own school of thought, makes you feel less lost haha
I feel you bro
why not search for your own meaning in a meaningless world
same.
@@Joyamrad that's not really a meaning though, is it? It's what you want to spend your time on, but acting like there's any "meaning" to your life would be disingenuous - but that doesnt mean it feels unimportant
Why would you say there isn’t a meaning? Meaning is only the functional utility of a subject within a closed system, or teleology. In essence everyone has meaning because they serve a role in the continuing function of society, and humans have meaning because they serve a role in the balance of nature. Absurdism/nihilism is a product of our postmodern world where people, bored and discontent with life, seek some sort of self fulfillment by deconstructing every tradition and moral, which is itself ironic and self contradictory. If you were truly accepting that life has no meaning then why would you bother telling others about it?
Absurdism is just one sense of humor away from nhilism.
The Sense of irony to the tragedy
I tend to walk the line between them... currently seeking mental health treatment as nihilism is a path that leads me to some very unhealthy places. Just really wish there was external meaning somewhere becuase it's sort of hard to make it myself
@@notthis9586 you’re not alone
Being absurdist, in my impression is realizing how absurd the universe is for existing, I don't think it should necessarily mean that something like an existential journey is meaningless. You can accept the absurdity and be in agreement and take a step into existential endeavors because it would be equally absurd if you didn't. That's what I think he means when he says to take advantage of what life has to offer. Nihilism, in my opinion, is still option 2 which is philosophical suicide.
Look at it from platos cave that has three people in it and one realizes that what they are seeing is an illusion and decides to leave the cave. This singular thought provoked person goes out and experiences something way beyond what they bargained for and realize how alone and scary it is and absurd the universe is. This person decides instead of wasting away in the cold bosom of the land alone that they would rather be sharing the absurd experience of deciphering the shapes on the wall. They return and promptly start making jokes about the shadows being something totally ridiculous other than the shape of a cow knowing full well that the truth is that it isn't real. But at least they are accepting it fully and embracing it.
I see the universe, or omniverse as Jamake Highwater would put it as devoid of meaning because at the end there is only annihilation from my perspective. But a relational and shared experience of existing and feeling to the fullest in spite of my world view still gives me meaning. It is not without its merits because it would be silly to refuse it as such.
@@notthis9586 do something for another person whom you intend to affect that is rewarding for both you and him or her. Measure the result not in a quantitative or qualitative manner, but in a binary one: was it rewarding, or was it not.
I remember reading about Absurdism in middle school and then buying The Stranger as soon as I could. It felt so right at the time, but I don't think it was a very good mindset to grow up with. I can't tell you how many times I would follow a train of thought, just to return to the same question. "Should I commit suicide?" There is much truth in the philosophy of Camus. But, if I have any advice for younger people, it's that you shouldn't follow any philosophy too closely. Life is a constant state of change which some might call chaos and other might call the plan of something greater than us. Either way, if the nature of our existence is perpetual change then we should try to get comfortable changing the way we think and act all the time. It is the closest I think we can get to harmony, or at least to being content.
As a 20year old im ignorant enough to say, that one should only start with reading philosophy after dying at least twice
Existentialial novels should not be taken with a excited mindset. It can either break you or make you
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Seconded. Frankly if my own experience was to be used as an example, it's challenging enough for a young person to get a grasp on his/her own ever evolving physical and emotional states. "What does it all mean?" is a question that will inevitably be asked but not necessary to be answered right away.
as a 16 year old i’ve found Stoicism as something very healthy to fall back on. I have tried to read absurdist/existentialist literature but im very careful as a Stoic and a Platonist, to expose myself to ideas that may tempt a defeatist mindset. I love nature and reason, but since i dont strictly adhere to the Stoic Logos or Platonic idea of God, im tempted by but also wary of Camus and Nietzsche.
How foolish of me, all this time I thought I had depression. Turns out I am an absurdist
I felt very similar when I realized I identified with existential nihilism.
@@enviycarim1000 why just existential? Go all the way man!
no, your problem before was you haven't accepted it
@@thomasbeaumont3668 nihilism is a nightmare and you should never push someone to have such a mentality
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Obviously “go all the way man” is not serious advice, and if that was what tipped him into full nihilism he was probably going to anyway, and that would be okay
In my experience if the belief system you’ve adopted doesn’t suit your needs then nihilism is the necessary chaos before the calm. We can all agree it is a nightmare and like all nightmares we eventually wake up to reality.
Acknowledging your system of values is arbitrary gives you the privilege of changing your system of values to suit your needs. You can go back to your old belief system if you like but at least after nihilism it was a choice.
I think this quote fits well here: "It's all so meaningless, we may as well be extraordinary." - Francis Bacon
The painter or the philosopher?
@@coolieo2222 The painter
"I believe in deeply ordered chaos"
That is a great quote. Like a random stoic arrow at the sun. If I kept a journal, I'd write it down. Whenever I think of something true and clever, I ask my bass guitar player to write it down. - she says, "..sure, I'll get right on that." I should have book by now.
Beautiful thumbnail!
So far, the biggest take away from absurdism I've gotten is that it requires the abandonment of hope. To be an absurdist, you give up hoping for a better existence, and fully embrace the one you have.
I think this is exactly what I need to fix my depression. For so long I've been so angry at how I can never achieve what I desire most. But recently, I've realized that I only have those desires because they were drilled into me head as a kid to be life's "meaning" by religion and society. But they don't matter. Nothing does. So I'm free to forget about them, and give up ever hoping that I'll attain those things I once needed so badly.
It's an unstable balance, but when I'm able to be in this mindset, it's the closest I've been to what I was before I got depression to begin with. Currently trying to lowkey inundate myself with absurdist content so I can legitimize it in my head and make it stick
Many in millions Depression is a Brain problem that can not be fixed by thought desires. they have medications that only last as long as they do and side effects are dangerous.
Actually, Camus wrote that there's only one option not-including sucide - have a cup of coffee.
Have a nice coffee mates
Beautiful. Something more people should do.
what about tea instead?
i heard that he never actually wrote that, that would be an internet myth
@@raab2616 but by posting that without certainty your information necessarily falls into the same category, so which is the /true/ myth?
That sounds exactly like something a random absurdist _would_ say... lol
I think Absurdism has a strange compatibility with Buddhism and I think that it encourages you to embrace the degree of anguish that comes for our natural desire for meaning is powerful. It allows you to see your desire for meaning more clearly simply as a desire rather than the meaning of your life. Whereas I think existentialism is at risk of clouding your judgment on the meaning we ascribe our lives as at a basic level it is saying that the search for meaning is the meaning of life. This means that we can take our desire for meaning too seriously and overvalue it. I think the reality is that meaning in life is transient, it's just a feeling we get from things that seem meaning full according to our subjective values and is a feeling we have not totally rationally so cannot be seen in this rational existentialist way.
Love this. Well said
Very well said. ❤️
Well said!
I stumbled upon Tibetian buddhism whilst deep in the absurdist (read nihilist :D) mindset in my early 20s.
The tibetian buddhist phase was a short one tough, and a bit awkward. In my personal experience tibetian buddhism was too dogmatic for my taste. And a religion. So it didn't really sit with the absurdist mindset I've already acquired, so i let it go.
About 4 years back (mid 20s) I got really into Zen and trough that daoism, and I think daoism gave me a nice guideline how to "accept" the absurd without actually turning to a dogmatic religion or nihilism (the same imho).
I mean im not a daoist, but I like the idea of the "flow", accepting, letting go, and less control, and more beign.
It surely would've been intresting to see where Camus would have taken absurdism if he didn't die so young.
Buddhism is another way of phylosophical s()icide......
I practice Buddhism and hold some existential views. Officially, Buddhism is considered a religion, though non-theistic... So would it be more appropriate to call it a philosophy or spiritual approach to life? When we consider leap of faith, this wouldn't apply to Buddhism, correct, given it is a philosophy as well?
I am struggling with the absurd compulsion to pull down his right sleeve.
I fancy myself a bit of an existential absurdist, or maybe an absurd existentialist? Don't know; don't care. There was no point to any of this but boy did I enjoy it!
@Pamela Nziko same feel.
What does that mean? How do the two philosophies interact in concert?
I adopt existentialism when I get serious
But when I get humorous I adopt absurdism
@@raynorrobinson2569 same question
That waiter example of bad faith is like the spongebob episode, “all I know is fine dining. And breathing.”
How to Philosophy
step 1: Life doesn't has any meaning and we're all going to die in the end and nothing will matter.
step 2: Now that you've known that; base your own ideas.
Thank you.
So Eric Andre is absurdism?
Yeah he is. With a hint of Nihilism
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Much more Dada I'd say
I love this stuff. I've been drawn to existential topics my entire life and one of my favorite things is that humans are driven by core programming, and any ideas like God are simply the brain fabricating your existence. I feel like it's fun to look at people when you know this because there are so many things they do based off of something that doesn't even exist.
100% agree
I don't see the two as separate. If anything absurdism is a branch of existentialism.
I agree. Sartre actually defined absurd as the search for answers in an answerless world.
but if you call the search for meaning off within yourself and you just "embrace the absurd" is that still existentialism?
I wish to disagree. Existentialists promote "finding your meanig in life", which absurdists call the "leap of faith" and basically it means you're distracting yourself from the reality of the absurd. On the other hand, absurdists tell you to embrace the absurd and don't try to run away from it like existentialists do. It's actually a really different mindset.
@@kackabobkova1718 Which is to say the meaning of life is absurd? Or at least the meaning of life as one has found it is absurd. In opposition to essentialism and nihilism. Or am I interpreting that wrong?
@@dyllanmiller4267 i'd say the meaning of life in the view of absurdists is to live a life knowing of its absurdity. Camus says existentialists try to run away from the fact that life after the collision of universe and man happens to be absurd, while absurdists embrace it.
One of the better, more concise explanations I've seen. Good job, man.
I like how Albert in his book “The myth of Sisyphus” is just like “suicide is gay, don’t do that, bubbs”
You said 'Existentialists believed in free will and that we have a duty to pursue freedom. Isn't saying we have a 'duty' to do anything go against the idea of free-will?
Depends on how you feel about your duty.
It's because the philosophy of existentialism states that the only thing that is imposed to us is freedom. We are free, whatever happens. Plus, we don't actually have to pursue freedom, because we are already free, moreover we are free to deny this freedom : Bad Faith is the concept of rejecting the freedom because it's too frightening (we call that Sartrian Anguish) to be absolutly free
It's funny coz free will just doesn't exist, I'm currently going through an existential crisis and can see that
@@batteryacidbabies this is why I can never get down with existentialism when I believe determinism to be true
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I kinda zoned out mid video and didn't really listen or understand much, but that says more about me than the video. Thanks for the effort tho.
The algorithm sent me here and for once it was a good thing. I want to learn more about existentialism now and try to apply it more to my journey.
Great video and thanks for the enlightenment
Loved how you told us earlier what theories exist and which are you gonna talk about.
Thumbnail :
Sisyphus by Franz von Stuck on the right
Your jawline is absurd
no it has meaning
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Nice summary well explained. Thanks.
I just finished “The Stranger” by Albert Camus and I found Meursault’s biggest outburst of emotion was against the priest who came to comfort him before his death! To me it shows that religion really had a greater impact on Camus than he would like to admit!
Its because he knew religion was a dead end, I rather live for smelling one strand of hair of the woman I love than for something you claim exists outside this concrete life (gods, heavens etc) and icannot be experienced. =wach the movie
@@unassailable6138 It’s a confession. It’s after his confession, that he became serene and realised. He realised why his mother celebrated the fullness of her life towards her end. He didn’t celebrate it, rather he realised it.
You can smell the hair of the woman you love or even the woman you don’t love, recognise the beauty and aesthetic in that, and also recognise the beauty of piety towards a concept of god. Beauty isn’t exclusive. One cannot talk about one hasn’t experienced.
Human's mind is complicated. I am cat anyway.
I have seen many existentialist cat videos on TH-cam, are you one of them?
Nope ;)
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That was very clear! Thanks man!! Good job!!
Amazing explanation! thank you!
Absurdism sounds like the pathway i took in my mind to get to existentialism
I am a little late to comment, but I wanted to say that many times people prejudge absurdism, believing that with that thought you deny happiness or you cannot achieve it and that is totally false. I'm very happy with my life right now and yet I know it has no intrinsic meaning, but that doesn't bother me at all because you don't need to make "meaning" out of anything to be happy.
This was super helpful clarifying an exact question I've wondered about ! I guess now I'm wondering what would be the difference between absurdism and nihilism?
That’s quite easy actually! While existentialism and absurdism have some nuanced differences, they are all ultimately about accepting that there is no inherent meaning in universe and reacting to that in some way to life your life to the fullest. Nihilism on the other hand is all about the fact that everything is meaningless. According to a nihilist, there is no point in anything and we all die anyway
Excellent video!!
Great video, thanks
These modes of thought kind of circle around the issue, IMO, of Authenticity. Existentialism believes that to create meaning means you are living Authentically, you are not bound by society, or your own bad faith, you have liberated yourself from these constraints, which leads to a more Authentic connection to the world around you. Absurdism is a complete rejection of the idea of Authenticity. Authenticity doesn't matter, in the end, all roads lead to the same path. Though, I do think their is some type of morality or foundational aspect of meaning masquerading underneath Absurdism, because what does it matter if you commit suicide or not then? Why MUST you embrace the absurd? If meaning doesn't matter, why does rebelling matter? I don't believe the idea is really that foundational. To me, it sounds like someone who came out on the other side of Existentialism, and created their own meaning. Anyways, I definitely love Existentialism, while I question ideas like Authenticity, and the such. I definitely believe creating your own meaning, your own philosophy, is important to get by, but I don't think it's the ONLY way to get by. And I don't think anyone is less or more if they do it or not. Lots to think about. There always is.
Amazing content!! :)
Very informative. Just subscribed.
Great video thanks
Thank you! So humanity is still without the answer after all these variants of seeking. Is it feasible to consider that thought cannot provide us with what it is we are seeking? That would mean that there would be a part of the mind that is in direct contact with what some call our true nature. I believe it was James Clerk Maxwell that said he had no idea how his scientific insights arose in his consciousness. And consider a spring board diver trying too impart to someone how to perform a complex dive. I am trying to point out that there seems to be creativity that is not the outcome of knowledge. Many scientific discoveries have arisen in the absence of thought, again another form of creativity. Can there be action without the separation of the self. The self being a projection of thought says that I will do something. I am not claiming any of this to be true, rather I am questioning.
Great video 👍
Hey man nice video! Quick pointer... Please take out that hum sound in the background. Maybe with one mic is enough.
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Which theory do you prefer?
Side note: If you haven't already, I'd love to see a video which goes into more depth about absurdism and free will!
For me it's existentialism. Absurdism sounds good and all, but I do need a meaning in my life, something I'll create myself.
could you do dischordianism? i know it can be half a joke, but i love robert anton wilson. i think a comparison between dischordian and absurdism would be a cool analysis.
So I consider myself an existentialist. I haven't gotten into philosophy in a while so I could potentially be wrong on that label, however, my perspective on human values is that, while the universe could care less about our existence and offer no meaning in our lives our existence could offer us much meaning, depending on what the person chooses/influenced in his/her life as their values and theirs to own, giving them intrinsic value into their life simply due to their ownership of their values and beliefs.
When I choose between different philosophies I usually choose yes.
Good answer.
Thank you so much
i understand living in bad faith of someone who pretends that they have no choice, they reject assuming responsability for their actions.
Can someone please give me the link to that painting on the left or tell me the name of the artist? Thanks 😊
Not entirely in agreement with your representation of Absurdism. Camus wrote :
"Qui se donne au temps de sa vie, à la maison qu'il défend, à la dignité des vivants, celui-là se donne à la terre et en reçoit la moisson qui ensemence et nourrit à nouveau".
This means that one should it give all for a cause one believes in, reaping the harvest of the ancestors that have fought for our well-being and dignity, and fertilizing the soils of humanity anew.
Yeah, you'd think Myth of Sisyphus is the only thing that anyone has ever read of Camus'. The idea that Camus actually believes that we're stuck with Absurdism and can't overcome it, can't attempt to create our own values and meanings without them being rendered meaningless, is completely overturned by even a fleeting glance at "The Rebel".
Great video
Good show.
you seem so kind!! I love you, beautiful soul
Completely irrelevant to the topic, BUT that clip of someone on their phone, they were definitely playing Temple Run, nothing will convince me otherwise.
Definitely i am an 100% absurdism because i've gotten to all 3 phases. First trying to suicide than trying to fight meaning in something bigger the idea of god seemed the best but it wasn't good for me than i embrace it and i can sai i've come to hating life to loving it not because i realized "life is beautiful" but because i realize life isn't that we are ugly or beautiful the nature can't be ugly or beautiful we are the only ones who have this concepts of beatiful and uglinees of right or wrong. And also depression can be triggered but it is an chemical imbalance. So i've got my chemicals right and accepted the absurdity of life and now i can say l love life not because of life but because of me
You should become an aluminium siding salesman, telling potential customers how to add meaning to their lives. In Sartre's, _Age Of Reason_, the anguished protagonist's brother tells him to get a job. Move to a suburb with the little woman and 2 and one half children and be free. Water your lawn on unapproved days. Invite bikers to dine with your mother-in-law. Paint your house psychelic.
@@TeaParty1776 have you read what i said? There is no meaning to life and to make one just to feel better knowing that is false it's the height of stupidity
@@dariacostea3278 Theres no mystical or subjective meaning to life. But one's chosen actions over a long part of one's life are the meaning of one's life. This terrifies mystics and subjectivists, who want to get high without having to pay.
@Its me or whatever Mans chosen actions over a long time is the meaning of each individual's concrete life.
@@dariacostea3278 There is no meaning to life in your opinion. You don't actually know that for a fact, no one does. I would say there is same chance of there being some meaning and there not being any meaning, same way I feel about god.
this made me so happy
where do I find the image you paired with existentialism? Good wallpaper.
Alexandra Levasseur, Hommage à Odilon I
the audio is a bit heavy on the right side, you should try and balance it.
Otherwise this was a fantastic explanation
Seems like a distinction without a difference or 2-sides of the same-coin. I think I get it, though. Sartre believed that "man is condemned to be free" which is subconsciously-terrifying to most of the human-race. With our personal-destinies placed within one's own hands, well, this can be quite-daunting for some. For these, it's far-more comforting to have the consolation & guidance of religion or faith, dictating how one should live within certain moral-codes & perameters, influencing one's hour-by-hour, day-by-day decisions, thus taking much of the burden off the individual. Absurdism doesn't mean that life is nothing-more than a clown-show. We're only clowns if we attempt to find-meaning in our existence or the universe as a whole. Camus, for example, the apostle of Absurdism, believed that, even if the universe does possess some ultimate-meaning or purpose, humans can never know what it is. Yes, we can search, speculate, probe, and ponder, but this, ultimately, is futile, for we can never know. Absurdism should be embraced in terms of accepting it. If people would stop worrying about finding meaning & purpose in their lives, or the universe as-a-whole, they'd free-themselves from hopelessness. Yes, Camus seems to be saying, create your own reasons or meaning for existence, just realize that such reasons remain, well, meaningless in an absurdist, ultimately-unknowable universe.
Can someone help me find the art used in the thumbnail? Thanks!
Sisyphus by Franz von Stuck on the right
The one on the left is Hommage à Odilon by Alexandra Levasseur
I have an advanced degree and I develop mathematical models to make forecasts. Since uncertainty is a key component of my models, I became an existentialist with absurdist tendencies long time ago.
Who is the artist and what is the name of the artwork that is behind the word existentialism? please. Want to do some artwork inspired by this :) 0:48
Alexandra Levasseur, Hommage à Odilon I (2014)
Oh I'm so confused. Not because of anything you said or didn't say because this video was actually pretty good. I like the cell phone metaphor. I'm all f'd up in the head. Where does the theory that we could be living in a simulation crash into these 2 philosophies?? I'm an addict, trying to recover n I've definitely been living in bad faith since the age of 17. I'm 42. I don't think I have enough time left to change. Even if I got it together now, my criminal record precedes me no matter where I try n move in life. Unpaid student loans. Living on lawsuit $$ right now but when this runs out, what next??? I don't know if I could be happy creating my own meaning at say, a McD's job. I wouldn't even make enough $$ from that to live. I've colored possibilities many times but let's keep it real, we need $$ to live. FML.
Absurdism with Fatalism can be related I think
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Well differentiated .So existentialism is all about promoting your own individualism ,own interpretation of meaningless world whereas absurdism is about meaning is equal to absurdity you don't have to toil for meaning just stay in the world till you get evaporated .
Can I find written form of this lecture?
I'm honestly a bit baffled. It's as if Myth of Sisyphus is the only thing anyone has ever read of Camus' so they conflate Absurdism with what Camus actually believed, since MoS argues that the only viable choice is to embrace Absurdism.
However, that just doesn't square with his other writings, especially The Rebel. There, it seems that while Camus carries over the foundations of Absurdism, it is only a starting point that we need to overcome Absurdism in order to arrive at all these important humanistic values like freedom, dignity and justice that we create through the act of rebellion. It seems to me that if Camus really believed that it's pointless or meaningless to try to create our own meanings, then he never would have went to the trouble to write The Rebel, which is so full of solidarity and meaning-making that such meanings transcends even death.
Could someone clear up this apparent contradiction for me, please?
Existentialism seems to focus on the human embodiment and how it is not determined by Political, Religious and social systems as thought about; absurdism seems to focus on the unpredictability and non-directionality and non-Being of the that existence itself the self is a subset of.
For existentialism, by existing, our Being is really not Platonic, nor does there exist some properties that by definition is person; or, it could be said existentialism is about the essence being existentially contingent, and that our Being is is synthetic, where the person is an empirical phenomena not a priori phenomena. So, essence to Sartre is itself just a set of properties of an object rooted in a posteriori synthetic thinking, where the properties of human that we are essential or analytical a priori properties are really accidental a posteriori synthetic properties.
Sartre just took the idea of human and de-essentialized humans by asserting that humanness is an unstable category of Being. For Sartre, he laid the groundwork to expand the analytical a priori properties we call human and asserted them as happenstance properties contingent upon our temporal modes of Being.
Absurdity saw this thinking, and asserted that humans are basically accidents, and that human existence was a happenstance not purpose driven reality. It's as if humans see themselves as exhibiting some end point, some function, some materiality and being, part of an organic whole when the probability of existence being so low meant we just came about by a set of imprecise conditions that produced us, but no actual rhine or reason but just some materialist explanation that saw us coming about due to conditions present, that didn't themselves come about by some intent but other conditions by other conditions and so forth. Thus, the predictability of humans coming into some existence was statistically random, not necessarily arbitrary but random.
I would see myself aligned with absurdism if it wasn't so obsessed with pretentious defiance and how death nullifies everything. Personally - if anyone cares - I'd say I'm what I would describe as an "Epicurean Existentialist". There is no general meaning that can be ascribed to any existence other than, "You are. That's it, congratulations, now go nuts, or don't, the universe doesn't care." On the backdrop of that unavoidable fact, it really doesn't matter what you embrace or don't embrace. Just do whatever makes your existence feel fulfilling, believe what makes you cope, and generally don't worry too much. The universe will still end one day, with or without you.
Does it matter whether you were right or wrong? In the end, you'll always die all the same, so why not try to feel good about it? In the meantime, whatever means something to you might just mean just as much as the entire universe. Who cares if the things that were important to you or anything you ever did will be null and void in the end? It mattered when it was most releveant to whom it was most relevant: you. And that's good enough.
No heat death of the universe or higher power can ever take that away. You are, you will be, and you will have been. Even if everything is erased, you were. Maybe you weren't "real" or maybe you weren't "significant" (whatever that even means), maybe all of this is just a dream or a simulation, who gives a fuck. At the very end, you are and you were, nothing can ever nullify or deny that, and you had one hell of a time. And that's good enough.
Oh I get it but it kind of sounds like you're going to do everything you can and then end it. I wish we could be happy on the long run. I have anxiety and the few times I don't feel it which is generally when I'm tired but relaxed I feel good but in a peaceful way, that makes me think that our brain is really interesting and maybe we can learn to enjoy life by going through different emotions and state of mind. Sometimes for whatever reason life seems more bright and I think it's just your brain. Also I agree with what you said but isn't it more absurdist than existentialist?
@@anaisdebeaumont9571 I see Absurdism as the rejection of meaning or the rejection of the possibility of meaning (though in a more positive vein than nihilism). Existentialism, to me, means "It's your life, it's your meaning. If you wanna struggle, do it if that turns you on. If you don't, just as fine, as long as you make sense of it from your perspective. That's why you have your perspective."
And when I die, maybe there's something after that, and then I'll experience this "after that" stuff under the lens of the meaning I have crafted. And if there is nothing, then, yeah, there is just nothing. What's the big deal? I've used the gift I've been given in the way I wished to.
We gotta make the most of it while we are here and I don't see why we should not be able to craft our own meaning, our own path, through all of this and why that shouldn't be enough.
To be perfectly honest, I do not understand what point you were even trying to make. What "long run" are you even talking about? I am talking about the entirety of one's own existence for as long as one is able to perceive it; not just "nut and die" as you described it. Just living life sincerely and without regrets, throughout all its ups and downs. What "longer run" could there possibly be compared to that?
Also, we are talking about metaphysical concepts, the brain and its chemical workings have absolutely nothing to do with that. The brain is physical, not metaphysical.
And even if all of one's perceptions were just a product of the brain: what would be wrong with that? It was still real to you, was it not?
@@Falkenhorst2000 I personally struggle to go through life because I don't feel safe in my environment and am not happy. That's the reason I'm here trying to understand better if there is something more, but I don't want to live in denial and I don't know if I'm capable of doing what I want and just ignore everything else, that's why I use the term 'long run' and find hard "creating meaning". Because life is tiring and unpredictable. But I do believe that some people are happy or at least have a good mental health. I honestly wish there is nothing after death, that I just can rest by not existing anymore, so I don't really consider the possibility of a god because to me it doesn't make sense. Also what you said is interesting I don't really get where the limit is between sociology/ philosophy/ neuroscience. Also yes I believe that what is important to you is important.
So im not lucky to find this youtube channel ?
From u.k.
I had my head in a book at home once.
And my dad said what are you reading, so I told
him,and it was one of the authors mentioned in the video.
And he said, OK but what are you going to do about it?
Keşke birisi şu videoyu çevirseydi de izleseydik.
I feel a mix of both, depends on the day
I believe Camus might have caught himself not in "philosophical suicide" but in some sort of "philosophical immaculate conception", which is the birth or creation of Sisyhus' smile of contentment.
He says life is absurd because we can't match our desire for meaning and the "silence" of the universe. Nothing really wrong with the premise i would say, but why is it "philosophical suicide" to reach Faith as a viable answer/option? Even if it's by process of elimination or as a last resort. Faith IS a valid rational conclusion. If there is no meaning accessible for us than "Faith" on some meaning is still an "answer" and, in my view, a philosophically alive one.
Then there is the issue with Sisyphus' contentment. Why can he "create" meaning in a myth? How can he "believe" in Sisyphus' inner peace or joy? Does he chose to believe it? Like Kierkegaard did with Religion?
And isn't he at the last minute negating the absurdist premise by difusing Sisyphus quest and thirst for meaning? Why or how can Sisyphus stop desiring meaning? By realising and confronting life's absurdity? If that is the case and that confrontation kills the frustration of the human condition regarding meaning, than that means life is NOT absurd. It can't be, because there is no longer the desire for meaning conflicting with it's absence. It is not absurd. A meaningless universe with creatures that don't need it is not absurd, just as it is not absurd for the universe to not have water and creatures that don't drink or are ever thirsty.
Is Camus an Existentialist?
What do you guys think of this?
(ENG is not my first language)
I believe Camus meant that Absurd was an intrinsic fact about our lives, something we can't avoid. And since Absurd is the dissonance between your desire for unity and the total lack of unity in the things around you, by killing yourself, you are accepting that fate and destroying the Absurd in that process. Accepting means you are already acting in consonance with the idea that the world is a chaotic and cold mess. There is no more dissonance, (you accept the world is cold and it is indeed cold), there is no more Absurd. By killing yourself, you are denying the truth you've realised (the omnipresence of Absurd), and as such, you shouldn't do it.
Thank you for explaining bad faith i did not know what it meant before
The thing that upsets me about Camus is that he gives us no method to make choices whatsoever. He negates the different quality of different experience ls and says it's all about the quantity and being present (aware of absurdity) while going through them. The simple reading of this would be perfecting self preservation, but that obviously isn't what he means either.
Existentialism: find YOUR meaning
Absurdism: STOP searching
What about believing our purpose is just to continue our gene line, just like non-human animals (which, obviously, we were, before we evolved to humans) and that we've just gotten to a point that, for most of us, taking care of and providing for our children is just incredible easy, so we're wondering what else we should be doing?
Existentialism always seemed to be the better of the two... Free to decide what's important to me based on my own experiences..
Absurditsm doesn't give us any goals to pursue right? Staying adrift for too long can be disastrous
I believe in the theory of evolution wich means that we are here out of mere chance. and it is beautiful.
Cioran said about Sartre that he was an enterprise of ideas
Embrace the absurd ❤️ wow, I didnt know I had three options to the meaning of my life aside of: staying single, having a boyfriend,please my boyfriend with a threesome
I really don't much difference more than small semantics one. All of the people who might be agreed to be labeled as existentialists have small differences of flavor in their descriptions and declarations. But not enough to be reasonably seen as a separate school of thought.
Yaaaz! Absurd! Absolutely
My main question which I always ask is: when is the game ending? It feels like an endless cycle of constant slavery where beings are created against their own will and control, and are then forced to create meaning or a story. It’s so tiring. This question would always lead to me considering suicide and then I fear not being able to die. Bringing me all the way back to square one. I just feel like I’m not meant to be here and I can feel it physically and emotionally.
Best TV shows on both absurdism and existentialism are The Leftovers and Afterlife and in that order.
I have learnt all this thing from everything everywhere all at once😁😁
Where's the sauce for those art?
So according to camus a waiter would keep on with his job??
Will start embracing it.. Will give his best???
And won't find any meaning in it and still be happy
Is that so????
Or he would quit his job.. And go into different directions, whatever pleases him but always keep in mind that nothing really matters in the end and still be happy??
I think Eren Jaeger would have possibly got along with Sartre
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lol
Good video
I wouldn't say that the absurdists think that meaning is irrelevant to the human experience. The lack of meaning to us comes where systems reside. There is meaning in life considering we are living one of many many lives, however at least from my perspective, the human experience has no meaning when complete free will has been suppressed.
By that I mean simply, revolving life around something that was created in life, like money, government, school, work. None of these things are meant for our souls to endure because they were created within the game. To me, that Makes zero sense.
When we re born, we are given a body and a mind that will mature as time goes on, and we are also given a soul and free will in order to control the mind and the body.
To simplify,
You have the ability to move your body in ANY way you want at ANY given moment in time. You also have the ability to think of ANYTHING you want no matter how far fetched it is , how politically or socially incorrect may be, how wonderful or absurd or dark or scary. It can be ANYTHING. We also have the ability to communicate what we think about or dream of freely.
Absurdists believe e that all of these great gifts and abilities that we have are completely wasted in the illusion that we call "normal life." And that's where the lack of meaning, and unfortunately suicidal thoughts, come in.
We are conscious in a 3D realm where the only rules that apply to us are the ones that we MADE UP as a species.
I’m what you would call a teleological existential Atheist. I believe there is an intelligence to the universe, with the exception of certain parts of New Jersey.
Bonus lessons learned from this video: how to correctly pronounce albert camus and sartre 😂
I don't quite get absurdism but I relate to it more than existentialism. Existentialism is too great to be true. It's too assertive and strict when really we can't be sure of what really matters. It's just based on nothing and an antithesis of religion. But even if religion was false, it doesn't make existencialism true. We have to accept that we are nothing and therefore everything (to the world we are nothing, to us we and the world are everything) and that having an exemplary life just for the sake of dignity or whatever is a waste and kind of self sabotage. I believe that I'm alone, but also capable of understanding and relating to others. I don't believe in bad and good being separated. But at the same time I don't believe in what I just said haha okay nevermind. I believe in empathy and not hurting people intentionally or not, being careful in general because I don't know what I'm doing but I want to believe I deserve the best and that everyone does because everyone is lost and nobody is going to hate you for wanting the best for you. Honestly I'm tired bye...
I guess I have been happy from time to time and honestly I don't know what made me happy and feel soo alive in a way and I don't think I will ever get it. I think that because of that we can't really know what we want and how to obtain it. Setting goals like this I don't know if it would work... Because it assumes that we already know everything
Let's form a hybrid philosophy consisting of Absurdist Existentialism. The how being: Live your life based on your own unique values and ethics and the why being: Life can have no meaning at all considering our mortality limits our knowledge and wisdom for life itself and time which always disappoints us and strikes us with its random compositions and lack of its connection to our superstitious and mystic beliefs who come up to be infinite happiness and joy and harmony, which is absurd.
Silencio Bruno!
I guess I'd call myself a nihilist but heavily inspired by Camus' ideas
absurdism makes me so happy to live man, human existence and how the human brain works is hilarious