How GOOD were Onix & Steelix ACTUALLY? - History of Onix & Steelix in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 1-6)
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- ONIX & STEELIX! Brock’s stone behemoth of a Pokemon! Was Onix really as threatening as it was in the anime? Should Brock have evolved Onix into Steelix? Join False Swipe Gaming on this brief overview of competitive Onix & Steelix competitive Pokemon!
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To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
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"It couldn't even put down Alakazam in 1hit with Explosion"
This fact hurts a lot. Definitely more than Onix's explosion
Stop beating a dead horse... Or in this case a big rock snake
@@itriggerpeople4433 where have I seen you before?
@@DaShoopdahoop in your worst nightmares
@@itriggerpeople4433 it is TH-cam after all
Well Body Press gave Onix some credibility.
I like how Onix’s stat spread is built entirely as a first level boss and not as a viable player choice.
This is honestly the best comparison yet considering it pretty much is the first boss
And then there's Whitney's Miltank.
@@yungmuney5903 get good, I beat her first try
@@TheRandomGuyEverestEver Amazing, but who asked?
thats also why rock throw is 60% accurate in gen 1
I was an actual ten-year-old going up against Brock's Onix. It was terrifying. The only thing that saved me was the fact that I love turtles.
SQUIRTLE SQUAD!!!!!!
I was 5-6 years old. I was Like: HOW DO I DEFEAT THIS? I reset my Game and picked squirtle
Unfortunately I loved dinosaurs
I wanted a Charizard. The only thing that saved was the fact that even as a kid I was sweaty and over leveled the crap out of Charmander
@@RobotHunter1234 wdym sweaty?
I never understood why they gave onix such pathethic stats. Its a gigantic rock snake, with less attack than a butterfly...
It's due to it being the first "boss" pokemon of the game where everything available to the player at that point is piss weak. If it had even mediocre attack, it would be OHKOing or 2HKOing all those poor stage 1 pokemon.
Such a shame because it's such an iconic Pokemon
Oof
I think Onix would fit right in, on a "Top 5 - Most under-powered Pokémon" list.
I always thought Onix was more of an earth-worm
Onix has a lower attack stat then Oddish let that sink in.
Game Freaks were absolute idiots in creating Onix’s stats
Yah but is it lower then pichu
I think Onix's stats are good for it as a first boss in a single-player RPG. Game Freak wouldn't have known in 1995 that people would care so much about the multiplayer, at a time when competitive video games didn't even really exist in any form we'd recognize today
@@LongfellowLP Onix has trouble KO-ing wild Pokémon. I once used a level 35 Onix against a wild level 29 Pigeotto, and it took 2 Rock Throws to kill it. Its stats shouldn't be THAT pathetic, even in-game.
And an Oddish can usually kill it in a single hit.
Onix being almost 9 meters but only 200 kg, his weak attack might be explained by the fact it's actually hollow (or made of cardboard)
Hollow? \|T|/
If it was hollow or made of cardboard it wouldn't have such an insane defense stat. The 200 kg thing is probably just another example of the designers being dumb.
@@darthroflex Tyrantrum is WAY smaller and lighter than a real Tyrannosaurus.
@@mastermindcow6210 Who said anything about tyrantrum?
@@darthroflex It could be honeycombed. Honeycombed metal has good structural integrity explaining the 200 stat, but, honeycombed is still hollow.
Interesting fact; Onix and Steelix have been owned by the most gym leaders/Elite Four. Brock has Onix, Bruno has two Onix in RBYFRLG which evolve into two Steelix in his rematch battle in FRLG, Jasmine has Steelix, Roxanne gets an Onix in her rematch fight in Pokémon Emerald which evolves into Steelix later, Roark has Onix, Byron has Steelix, and finally, Flint for some reason has a Steelix in Diamond and Pearl.
Interesting that so many people own such a POS pokemon, then.
Richard Lumbard Flint has the Steelix in Diamond/Pearl because there weren’t enough Fire types in the regional Sinnoh Dex for him to have a full team.
@@Ergeniz start red version with a charmander and rush to the gym. Tell me how trash brocks onix is when you dont have a counter.
Charmander can beat Brock at like level 11 with a few Potions
It’s still pretty easy just the battle takes longer lol
Meanwhile in the anime, Brock's now evolved Steelix tanks a fire Z-Move. Not quite "Electric Move beating Ground type" levels of cheese but at least it got some karmic justice.
Onix is weaker than Geodude, that is just sad.
What Is Even More Sad Is That Oddish Has Better Base Stats Than A FULLY EVOLVED ROCK
At least Onix completely outclasses Geodude in LC, so there's that.
i mean rhydorn golem n steelix are just 😎
@@blob2557 but with pitiful attack and a plethora of weaknesses
it has less HP than Caterpie too
Unfortunate that a Pokemon with such a cool design gets mediocre stats
This is the first time i'm seeing a comment from you with under a thousand likes 😂
@@IrisRiedel6 fr fr
I swear you have a whole community of people managing your videos so that you can infiltrate every single comment section on TH-cam
We Need a Crystal Onix Regional form/Variant
HP:35
Atk:75
Def:160
SP.Atk:30
SP.Def:90
Spd:70
Is it me or am I tripping because why are you everywhere
Krabby has higher attack than onix. That is all.
Slashy 16302 As does Oddish. ;-;
Misdreavus too
Slashy 16302 But no Physical STAB until 4th gen. Water Type had only special moves in 1-2-3rd gens, and Krabby-Kingler could use attack only with non-STAB normal type moves. Onix&Steelix had "right" STABs since they were born, and excellent unbreakable physical defs.
Caterpie...
@@GearGuardianGaming Ahem.. dude , you probably never played the 3rd gen competitive in the BF. Since the 3th gen there was the ADV metagame: every type had all moves physical or special, for example normal had only physical moves and water only special.
Waterfall is special as a water move until 3rd gen.
In the 4th gen they changed the rule 4ever and made distinction for every move.... waterfall for example become phys. and they added also aqua tail to put another water phys move and introduce the new metagame that changed the competitive for ever.
It’s a shame what happened to Steelix. I still remember seeing its line in the anime and staring in awe at their sheer size and how devastating they were. Whether it was Onix squeezing the life out of Pikachu or Steelix rampaging through Bidoofs’ dam, the Rock Snakes were menacing and cool looking at the same time. It’s sad to see in the metagame, they’re completely outclassed. But you can always refer to the anime right?
Hey Onix is still very formidable in Little Cup so there's that lol
and steelix is great in gen2
Body press Onix is great bro,gamefreak did something right with it.Steelix is great with this move
@@soupboy-yn8oz Steelix is great also in the other gens. His only flaws are the weak sp def and the lacking of recover moves, but it is overall strong and useful due to the typing, the abilities, the moves and the epic def higher than bulky uber-tier legendaries.
Knightmayor yes, it is one of the strongest mon in LC, especially after the gen 5 effects of Sturdy.
Yup
We need this to be remade, I want to hear how brutal the dopest Metal Snek you've seen destroyed everything in RU
Trueee
Yeah, also he was particularly cruel in this one for some reason. Basically "He was apparently good in RU. But it's RU so yeah", and "Regular Steelix dropped to NU, jeez". I mean, come on. Most Gen 1/2 Pokémon would kill to be able to be in Gen 6 RU/Gen 7 NU
They actually kinda are. As the generations go on and power creep increases, dominating even RU is worth more and more note. OU at this point is just Budget Ubers.
Gen 8 RU teambuilding is just:
“Do at least 2 of my mons not get stonewalled by Umbreon?”
“Can I do something about Milotic?”
“Do I have enough special attackers or is Steelix gonna get 6 curses and eliminate me?”
@Deseon RU isn't bad, at least nowadays. As Power creep gets more and more extreme, dominating lower tiers becomes more and more impressive.
"Should Brock have evolved Onix into Steelix?"
onix evolved off-screen i think, i know brock used steelix in the pewter gym in one episode during gen 3
Slick God yeah,but that was when he gave onix to his brother.so his brother evolved onix,not Brock
Jk41kiwi Rules No, Brock did. In order to evolve Onix, it has to be traded with *Metal Coat.* Brock HAD to have gave Onix the *Metal Coat* , so, basically, Brock *is* the one that evolved Onix.
Ar0_ DamU wait,didn’t Brock give it to his brother as an onix,then off screen when it was in his brothers possien it evolved
I recall that Brock used a Mega Steelix in one of the episodes in S&M, but I don't know if that was the same Steelix as the Onix he used on his adventures with Ash and co.
Jim E. It did
I think that in some point in development, onix's speed and attack stats were swapped, but the developers just stuck with it.
It's ment to be balanced with evs.
Don't listen to this clout chasing moron
@@TheJefferyShow23 EVs didn't exist until 2 gens later moron
@@chillyoil528 wdym this comment is normal?
But what about HP? They swapped it with its special?
*How GOOD was Poliwrath ACTUALLY?*
I will NEVER give up
Steven M Attrell He needs drain punch. Zsplash Poliwrath in the rain can ruin someone's day.
rly bad. But 🅱️olitoad on the other hand 👀👀👀
poliwrath had like 1 set with in gen 1 you had amnesia/blizzard, hypnosis/body slam, surf, submission... but there was no REAL reason to give it blizzard unless you wernt running an ice type, and body slam is legit for grass types if you didnt have an ice type... basically what you want is to start with him, hope to hypnosis whatever is out then amnesia if they switch. submission could 2hko a lot of normal types, and an amnesia boosted surf was really funny from the frog man but lapras and cloyster were just overall better
Steven M Attrell I’m gonna keep trying Vileplume as well :)
oh gosh vileplume is just not fun to talk about
Make "Most dominant Pokemon of each generation"
Dunsparce for every generation except for one
gen one most dominant is cubone
Garchomp for like 3 generations
@@InfernoPower
Gen 1: tauros
Gen 2: snorlax
Gen 3: tyranitar
Gen 4: garchomp
Gen 5: ?????????!
Gen 6: landorus T
Gen 7: landorus T again
@@NeoGraena Definitely politoed or tyranitar for gen 5 bc weather.
PurpleTeam Pyrostrike gen one it’s either Mewtwo or Tauros
technically, Pikachu used Soak
Lmao
T H E D E E P E S T L O R E
thanks kingofhell6697 i think no one had noticed it yet
KinGardevoir Yeah and many people thought Togepi was a gen 1 Pokémon.
notnorthkai This is probably what inspired that move.
4 big Onix spotlights:
1. Bruno's in Ep.1
2. Bruno' catching a giant Onix with a green pokeball.
3. Crystal Onix
4. The shiny Onix
You forgot the scene where Pikachu activates the sprinklers. Anime logic at its finest.
That crystal onyx is 100% gonna be a regional pokemon typing soon in the new games
@@maazypaaz Yeah…they are sitting on a great idea if they do another island region in the future games.
Maybe it’s type can be Ice/Steel, Ice/Water, or Ice Ground
@@kyokugenryudisciple9349 naranja, an orange islands based romhack of firered has crystal onix
@@kyokugenryudisciple9349 Yup We Need a Crystal Onix Regional form/Variant
Hp:50
Atk:80
Def:150
Sp.atk:30
Sp.def:50
Spd:70
Gen 4's introduction of Gyro Ball was a huge bonus for Steelix, IMO, since combined with Curse's speed loss, it could hit like a nuke. Having the right nature and EVs helps as well. :P
Front-facing sprite: 🙂
Back-facing sprite: 🙃
Steelix with Body Press sounds scary
It sure does. Especially with iron defense lmao
I like to think that Onix was designed to be a first gym pokemon. With one really good stat, an alright stat, and a bad stat spread from then on out.
EDIT: That being said, I have no idea why Bruno of the elite four has two of them.
Maybe he’s sentimental.
Also, I prefer him having just one Onix/Steelix and replacing the other with Poliwrath.
RBY is supposed to have more fighting types, which probably would end up into Bruno's roaster.
Bruno's gen1 teams are remarkably terrible. Two of a mon which is weak even in the early game, a special attacker with 35 spc and no STAB, a Machamp with a horrible selection of moves and a Hitmonlee which could theoretically hit quite hard but is usually too fragile to achieve anything.
You could tidy up the Machamp and give him a Poliwrath and perhaps a Golem since no-one else has one, but he'd probably still suck just because the fighting type is so bad in gen1.
Perhaps they should've limited fighting to the dojo and had a normal E4 member instead?
Onix really got screwed over by being the first boss battle
It had to be big and scary to show new players that gym battles are a real challenge
But it also had to be weak to not deter people from playing more due to the difficulty
I've seen some people use sheer force life orb *Special attack* Steelix, it's hilariously somehow working.
Its Flash cannon is about the same damage as a maxed Spa Magnezone unboosted Flash cannon, so about the same as 130 base Spa poke using a 80 power STAB move, which is not even bad.
People were using it to counter Mega-Mawile because its high physical bulk, it can also 2HKO something like salmance.
Overall it's niche but surely a fun thing to see when Steelix pumps up a Earth power to Incineroar or Toxapex.
Wot
That sounds epic af. A mixed set with -speed nature and an elemental fang move or two could be a fun meme
Sounds awesome. I’m gonna start running one of these
It's nice to see how far this channel has come in quality, looking back at the old videos
how good was Beedrill actually? Always loved his design and he has a maga evolution.
Same
beedril in gen 3 was pretty decent
Piss until it got a mega and even then, it's under used.
>maga evolution
'We will EV-train a wall, and we will make Alola pay for it.'
Js this would basically just be a video of him saying how bad it was until it got a Mega
I just Love Steelix. He is so cool and his smile is like "Haha Time To Die!" Everytime I see in the serie Steelix get fainted I just get mad coz I want it to win so bad! I love it and Its my second favorite pokemon. :)
Your first favorite being?
Your first favorite being? (2)
*sub mediocre
No matter what people say, I am a proud user of my shiny Mega Steelix, and will not use a different mega for my Sandstorm team. Never have I been as impressed with its results compared to many other mons. Sure he can't take special attacks or most other high-damaging megas, but he has a will of steel, and takes his time before destroying my foes, which is respectable. When that Sand Force Trick Room comes into play, oh boy is it something to fear. I'm proud of you Auldlix, my glorious Mega Steelix.
Soul of Cinder Really agree! M Steelix is really powerful, and with sand (so, 50% sp def raised) is really unstoppable! He has also the ability who powers up some moves in sandstorm.
M-Steelix was in my sand team with assault vest Tyranitar and Palossand when i was playing 7th gen competitive, and i won a lot of matches.
Now i'm in 4th gen competitive with Pokémon Battle revolution (i go to wi fi with an hacked channel) and i'm using the normal Steelix, he strikes too!
Darkleo96 Steelex is Steel/Ground,the only type who get the 50% buff under sandstorm is Rock
@@homuraakemi9645 Really? I always knew the effect for the def sp. was for all types not damaged by sand. (Rock, steel, ground).
M Steelix is still strong in the sand, also due to his ability
At The end, thats what pokemon is about, use your favorite ones. And try to get the best of it.
@@Isaiaswolf66 This guy gets it. Who cares if Mega Aggron is not very good competitively? I still think it looks sick as hell, and one of the best megas.
In the episode Pokémon Shipwrecked, I always thought Brock said "Onyx, mega staircase!"
It's Onyx's best move.
ONIX NOT ONYX
This is my favorite Pokémon. It hurts to listen to the struggles but will love Steelix always for what this Pokémon did for me when I was a kid
The intro actually had me rolling, as a pokefan that got into the games before the anime I was absolutely outraged watching the infamous Onix and Rhydon episodes, not to mention the atrocity that was Tate and Liza gym battle. You are a legend for these videos.
The anime is rigged.
thebahooplamaster That was just the first season its gotten better over the years
Fire Fist Ace Thunder Armor.
That onix got payed for losing
Fire Fist Ace
Eeevee has something to tell you.
Here she comes running of a freaking opposing HYDRO PUMP!
Dude I see you in review tech USA all the time and now here lol
How GOOD were the Hitmons ACTUALLY?
It would be a different style of video but hopefully you'll do it :)
Oddly enough, Onix did have a decent role as a lead in LC, especially after Sturdy got buffed.
How GOOD were Magneton and Magnezone ACTUALLY?
Overrated
How GOOD was Pinsir ACTUALLY?
Sadly terrible in all Gens expect Gen 6 when it got its mega evolution.
Doom Guy I also want that! For 1 month
up
Doom Guy how good was flygon actually.
How good was magmotar was
@2:29 For some reason hearing you say that made me really sad. Like how so many Gen 1 pokemon were made with bad stats and left behind.
@@Goober_80 atleast steelix is uu in gen 8
How GOOD was magneton / magnezone ACTUALLY?
Steelix is one of my favourite Pokemon from the games, still remember the first one that I caught with a surprise in Cliff Cave of Johto in Heartgold.
My poor metal boy needs a remake pls false swipe
We do not refer to Pokemon as a boy or a girl! Please stop!
I think an episode on Sharpedo would be cool.
It'd be an interesting episode because of how Sharpedo got significantly better with every passing generation.
How good were the legendary dog/cat/roaming 4 legged things?
(Entei, Raikou, Suicune)
such doge
Beasts. They're beasts.
Entei, strong. Raikou, decent power but quite frail. suicune, obnoxious in crocune set
Never bet Entei TriHard
Suicune is mentioned many times on this channel as one of the best bulky water types. Also raikou rekt in earlier gens but was outclassed by thunderous.
In dual battles, I paired Mega Steelix with a Sylveon holding light clay and using reflect and light screen, doubling both its defense and special defense stats.
How good was marowak really?
My favorite Pokemon, I use it in all my double battles and it wrecks, Kanto Marowak at least.
Ipewpewuqq L :)
Better keep it for whel he'll cover gen7
Do tentacruel
Clash Content the thing with marowak is it is one of the most powerful attackers..... Until you take away thick club via knock off trick ect. It has the boast of highest potential attack stat you just need to skill swap it huge power and give it thick club and its attack breaks a thousand at max. It can do decent in doubles with lightning rod with earthquake if you pair it with something like gyrados that heavily benifits from lightning rod or togekiss who can support with follow me and have it do that absurd earthquake. Though in singles it is better to have she'll armor and bonemarang to protect from crits and break subs. It was weak on the special defense and speed but had decent defense. So put it up against physical Pokemon. And make sure you don't let the opponent use knock off or trick against it because that just turns its attack from absurd to mediocre. It relies on thick club.
How good was everyone's favourite coconut tree thing (Exeggutor) actually?
Good choice. We see it a lot in his videos.
doctorsmoothlove
It went down in usage as the generations went on
Might be better to wait for the new games because of Alola forms.
Good point. He will probably do that for anything that has an Alolan form until the meta settles in Gen 7
Oh, yea lets wait for the alolan forms to play out. Cuz that's a bit important.
How good were Umbreon and Espeon actually?
terrencej18 a few weeks later...
Ones a wall and the other's a special sweeper.
I think it's useless to make a video about the utility of two meta-prominent mons in lot on gens. Umbreon is a sturdy unbreakable Dark wall and Espeon a special sweeper with Calm mind and also Magic Bounce since gen 5. Both have also baton-pass. They're strong and kinda OP, i prefer Umbreon.
@@darkleo96 I prefer espeon. Umbreon might be better but idc
How GOOD was Exeggutor actually? (I'll never stop asking until you do it)
Ok....
you got your wish today
How good was Umbreon actually?
*Blip* Amazing
*Blip* you mean my gen 6 MVP? That thing won me more matches than any other
No no no,
Its How GOOD was Umbreon ACTUALLY???
*Blip* fucking annoying
Its been annoying ever since it was introduced. God damn curse.
It's nice seeing how FSG actually goes in depth with the lower tiers nowadays.
A video on how good salamence was!
+Hi Friend Nope
Gen 3: Great
Gen 4: Broken
Gen 5: Great
Gen 6: Good
Gen 7: Good
I want to see a video on it though
Alright, Mega Mence was broken, but normal Salamence was just BL.
just another commenter
Good
Broken
Good
What the fuck
Still not fixed?
AHH I GOT FEATURED IN THE BEGINNING
WOW
Nice dude 👍
Good job
Nicholas Bell congrats
Nicholas Bell good for you
Great series, dont stop mang
How good was Tangela/Tangrowth ACTUALLY?
Gen 1: Great in UU, just lacked decent STAB
Gens 2-3: 60 drop in Special Def killed it
Gen 4-5: Okay, but not great
Gen 6-7: Actually amazing somehow
Give the Pokemon Letter Grades when you're concluding the episode. F- to S+?
That's a cool idea. He could then rank every Pokemon he's done on his own tier list
The boss when you fight them vs. when you unlock them as a playable character.
Yep. It's unfortunate. Onix is one of my favorite pokemon, but using him is so frustrating.
would you consider revisiting this video to go over how it did in the tiers it dropped to instead of how it floundered in ou?
How GOOD was Cloyster ACTUALLY?
Croutonking65 YES!!!!
Croutonking65 Good with Onix
Actually really interesting. It used to be bulky support... then gen 5 happened.
Croutonking65 Great in Gen 1 but... Gen 2 wasn't kind to Cloyster since it's sp.defense is 45, and base 50 of health is crap as well, a fucking thundershock could killed it, it seems like gen 1 Pokémon are being outclassed by newer Pokemon in other gens, how sad...
Lambda Pegasus Their stats can only cover so much, and Gamefreak doesn't seem to like fixing/editing movesets.
It makes me too happy to see the Pokémon as at a different stage in all three parts of the thumbnail.
Where's my Magneton/zone? ;-;
AceMercer AMV Our Magneton and Magnezone...
Make that three!! Been requesting for like 6 weeks now
Man make that 2 numbers after 3
Steelix roars @2:53 sends tyranitar to the shadow realm lol
Steelix used Scary Face, it’s Super Effective.
What’s really neat about Gen VIII is that Onix gets some three potentially interesting additions to its movepool:
-Head Smash, since Onix gets Rock Head as one of its abilities.
-Body Press, which operates off the user’s defense stat. And Onix has quite the base defense.
-Dragon Dance, especially given Onix’s superior speed compared to Steelix.
Ah yes, 35 attack 70 speed setup sweeper
GnammyHamster
It’s really too bad. I’d personally buff Onix’s attack to be below that of Steelix, but still decent. Maybe 75, at least. And 70 base speed could still be good in some specific formats, especially with Dragon Dance.
Great video! But how good were Sneasel and Weavile ACTUALLY?
I was playing Soul Silver tonight and awhile ago I just caught a shiny Onix. It caught me off guard because I was mindlessly training to fight Bugsy. I named him Aurum, which is the latin word for gold (considering how shiny Steelix looks) and is gold's chemical symbol. He has a relaxed nature and has good perseverance. I came over to this video for some gen 4 battle strategies for when I go back to play the single player mode of Pokemon Battle Revolution. (Looks like it will be an uphill battle though...)
How good was Magneton and Magnezone plox.
Deleting rival steel types since gen 3.
How good was tentacruel
madmaniggy45 it was already done
Binis Fox I don't think it's been done yet.
Mageton please
Why does the gen 6 footage look so good here? Like, much better than the actual resolution somehow.
Ik time but emulator probably
How GOOD were the Jotho Starters ACTUALLY?
Wiktor Joestar SOOO BAD
Sadly yes, at least until the physical split. Meganium were never really fixed, but I can imagine Feraligatr at least benefitted from a few physical water moves.
Feraligatr is capable of Ohkoing anything with the right setup.
Trash, trash and more trash. Maybe their megas will save them like Charizard's ones did.
that doesn't mean much..linoone can setup to plus 6 in one turn. does that make it good? no. it's still a terrible pokemon with a select few good moves
How GOOD was Cloyster / Exeggutor ACTUALLY?
Oh my...
I still remember the days of shredding through Brock's Onix with a single vine whip from Bulbasaur.
The idea that a tiny little dinosaur dog knocked out a giant rock snake by whacking it with a little vine was beyond me.
Tentacruel or magneton. Gen one comeback videos!
How good was sneasel/weaville
I know that this isn't on the top of the list of most people on that topic but........... I think that this video is probably the one I most want a remake for, between Steelix's crucial role in gen 2, then it's presence in the lower tiers (especially gen 5 RU that even was alluded to in this video) up to Onix being top tier in Little Cup
How good was Beedrill actually?
Yes my favorite pokemon
How good was Kangaskhan was in competitive Pokemon.
Juan Hermandez that's been done already
I don't see the video of the pokemon that i wanted Godzilla guy 54
Thought he did one guess he is wrong
How GOOD were Gligar & Gliscor ACTUALLY?
You help me relive my childhood! I thank you greatly for your work! :)
Magneton/ magnezone!!!
Fun fact: this is the 2nd most viewed video on the channel, behind only to Mewtwo. This one beats Tyranitar, Rayquaza and Gengar, three seemingly more popular and mainstream Pokemon.
And its cooler because Steelix has always been a favorite for me 💪
Sadly, Rayquaza surpassed it.
And Garchomp
If you ask me Onix needs a evolution that is part fighting type since Bruno the fighting type specialist uses Onix in all of his appearances despite it not being a fighting type. It would finally give Bruno a reason for why he uses Onix.
Give us Ninetails!
How good was Togetic/Togekiss
It wasnt
Dark Claw togekiss wasn’t good? You sure?
Flinch
i
Can't
Steelix has been and still is my main Pokémon since Gen III
Alto clarinet > bass clarinet
Steelix has always been on my teams. He's my go to steel type. Hard to find and catch but worth it.
DO NOT CALL STEELIX A HE!
@@Amelia4111 what the hell is your problem why are you yelling at me?
@@enterusername4650 cause you assumed its gender. Meh i dont care.
@@brendan01 even if you did I wouldn't fucking care now get lost.
how good was electabuzz/electivire
How GOOD was Cloyster... I mean... were Electabuzz & Electivire ACTUALLY? ;)
that too
They were pretty shit.
they cool pokes tho
Onix is my favorite Pokémon and this hurts A LOT.
Please do Cloyster, the undisputed greatest Pokémon to ever exist
Pittsburgh Skeleton excuse me? I think you wrote exeggutor wrong...
Pittsburgh Skeleton no. It really isnt
I named my Cloyster Clitoris.
@@jomsies I like how some Pokemon fan works have had characters use "Cloyster" as a substitute for a certain swearword.
How good was Flygon ACTUALLY?
Decent til Garchomp was introduced
Flygon is... meh. Its main problems are that it's outclassed, has mediocre stats, and has an unhelpful ability.
Gen 3: decent
Gen 4: shit
Gen 5: shit
Gen 6: shit
Gen7: shit
Not very good, sadly. Bleh stats, meh typing (dragon is always good but ground opens up too many weaknesses), decent abilities, good movepool, but overall weak defensively, mediocre offensively and didn't have notable gimmicks to work with (besides sand veil/brightpowder on sand teams but even that was meh). Its strength was in its versatility but without any bulk/offense to back it up, flygon was just disappointing. Doubly so because of its amazing design.
Flygon was decent. What killed flygons potential was lack of setup and any decent movepool.
Something funny about Steelix, my older brother tried to convince me it was the strongest Pokemon ever. I don't know why he did, maybe he also thought it was for some reason, like there could have been an episode where a monstrous Steelix goes on an unstoppable rampage. He essentially hyped Steelix up as if it was a legendary Pokemon.
I always wondered, how good was Forretress ACTUALLY?
Mandragora Zguby he did that
Matthew Takes The L no he did not
Mandragora Zguby I'll give you a quick run down
Gen 2: Spike setter then explode
Gen 3: Same thing
Gen 4: Same thing but now it gets rock
Gen 5: Same thing but now it has Toxic spikes
Gen 6: Same thing
Gen 7: Same thing
Your welcome
Would you be so kind to do marowak?
The only memories I have of Onix was trading a Bellsprout for it in Gold/Silver and using its typing to beat Whitney's Miltank
Onix has a lower attack stat than Alakazam. AKA the Pokemon whose muscles have atrophied to the point where it can't support it's body weight without PSI.
WE DON'T USE THE WORD ITS AS A PRONOUN IF THERE'S AN APOSTROPHE IN IT! STOP DOING THAT!
@@Amelia4111 fatherless behaviour
Onix is the 5th most popular video.
here's an interesting moveset if you want to make an offensive Steelix (for some reason), thanks to Gen 8
Body Press
Gyro Ball
Curse
Earthquake
now this would work great on Trick Room teams, I think I have yet to test it
probably have Sturdy just in case
have a team to work around Steelix's weakness, like Amoongus to keep the pressure off of it
How Good Was Ninetails Actually....
Seemed pretty strong in Gen Naruto
It's better in boruto gen though
Yea,Hell yea.
Beautiful Pokemon card back in 90's original cards
Albert Mendoza Ninetales
Damn good
They should have done to onix and steelix what they did with Scyther and Scizor
Give onix a stat buff to have the same stats as steelix, just with some of steelix's defense stats being moved to buff onix's speed instead. Both should have the same bst
A special memory with mega steelix i have from oras was leading with darkrai and speedboost ninjask, dark void to give ninjask opportunity to sword dance, meanwhile darkrai stabs with dark pulse or uses dream eater incase psychic does supper effective, ninjask baton passes into either primal groudon or mega steelix, both trained to have max defense, it didn’t always work but it was fun when it did
This might need to be revisited for Sword and Shield. Sheer Force, Dragon Dance, Life Orb Steelix is deadly after a speed swap in doubles. Plus with Max Quake its Spdef weakness can be covered for a bit.
How good was Azumarill or Ampharos please with a cherry on top and a single tear 💧