What most people are missing, including the guy in the video, is not that these changes will mean people will pay more tax; although they very well could. What it means is that if you stay more than 180 days you are now a tax resident. As such, you could/will/must have a Thai tax number and you could/will/must file a Thai tax return each year. Those two issues alone are a massive burden for many expats, many who struggle even to transfer money to the country. It is also a massive opportunity for the authorities to make life difficult to the point where you need to “oil the machine” to solve the problem. We all know the pain in the ass that a simple visa extension can cause. Can you imagine filing a 25 page Thai tax return once a year and taking a load of documentation in English/German/French to the office to prove you’ve paid tax already!! No doubt a great opportunity for this guys business, as I’m sure he will get you a Tax code for $250-$300 and file a tax return each year for $400-$600. So no, people are not over reacting. They are planning for the worst and hoping for the best outcome.
@@GrahamHeyes-d3lhe said the rights of a tourist. He did not say he is a tourist. You should read it again. It's called taxation without representation.
@@fjackson4382 Practically every country in the world has taxation without representation. If you are resident in most countries (including America and Thailand) for 180 days or more you are tax resident, this does not give you voting rights.
I understand what you are saying but because a government has decided to call you a tax resident is the same that I call myself a tourist and therefore also think JVANO73 is also correct when you have no rights whatsoever. I mean here: if you pay tax you should have the same rights! and of course pflights@@GrahamHeyes-d3l
Greece does not have a double tax treaty with Thailand. So I am paying capital gains in Greece and then also need to pay tax bring in the money into Thailand. So yes I am worried.
You are right and wrong. The tax authorities are to blame for not clarifying the issue and informing the public. I have read the present tax code by the tax revenue department and it has to be updated and new forms have to be issued in order for us to pay tax.
Gov makes laws it up to civil servants and residents to work through it. We do not need me forms the old ones will work. The RD has clarified things, this was issued 2 months ago. NO LAWS HAVE CHANGED, what is it you are waiting for? www.expattaxthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf
The situation is very clear, this was published last month. There has been no change in law. Wjy are you expecting new rules or forms? www.expattaxthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf
you are completely wrong, if you live in Thailand it's your responsibility to know the law. This was issued by RD about 2 months ago.www.expattaxthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf
I just watched a Siam Legal seminar yesterday. If you are Canadian the dual tax treaty clearly states that pension and income taxed at source will not be subject to any tax in Thailand. Check your dual tax treaty before loosing your blob.
I'm not concerned about having to pay more taxes in Thailand because of the tax treaty. My concerns are with what the CRA can enforce if you are claimed by another country as any type of resident. Plus, Justin wants to impose a $25,000 tax on Canadians that become a resident of another country.
@osons3698 Wow, that's crazy. You are born into these arbitrary rules, which you might not agree with, and you can't leave either, defuck. I am not Canadian, but it sounds like they want people to revolt or something.. Sadly, a lot of countries are implementing similar rules...
Not Over reacting at all. When the Government cannot give straight answers people speculate. Unfortunately they usually think the worse (and are often proved right). We are mere "tourists" here so have no rights like Thais. As an American you should think how your Foundling Father's thought and for what Americans died for....."No Taxation without Representation"....or were they wrong???
Right. Unfortunately Thailand doesn’t follow the American constitution or laws. They can and do whatever they want and we have to abide by their rules regardless of how insane they are.
They cannot apply a simple list of requirements for the granting of a visa. The outlook for tax assessment is worrying, particularly when added to the current blizzard of misinformation and speculation! 😢
15 and a half years and still just a tourist! So why do I pay tax in Thailand? I do on my local investment and bank interest. I am Australian and even the ATO doesn't tax me on my pension. They could cut the BS and make those married to a Thai citizen a permanent resident. I am not asking for much, just a fair go.
I don’t think people are overreacting at all. It has been some time since the head of the Revenue Dept. announced her plan and she recently confirmed that a new law was being drafted. I took my USA income for 2023 and applied the known Thai tax formula and my taxes were more than doubled, largely because of capital gains and not being able to apply capital losses. It’s already mid September and we should know something by now, particularly if there is an intent to implement this for next year. It is interesting that we have not heard from the government and the PM wants to bring all Thai workers into the tax system- good luck with that.
@@mr.bullion6786the government has already said it will be changed . But I did my Thai taxes online . Wonder if that will still be possible . The real issue is of course what amendments will be made .
@@mr.bullion6786 that’s true . But we are just 3-4 months away from January 1st . So the government has to be prepared by Jan 1 2025 for anyone who wants to file his tax return under the new directive .
This video is right in some respects, but not in others. Uncertainty makes people pause. That's human nature. Engaging a lawyer or tax advisor to find out what an individuals status is - so Mr Hart gives his time for free? I doubt it. And if Mr Hart says I had to pay $10000 for advice, how do I know he's not scamming me? I don't. Ditto for any tax official I employ. And if I do get chosen for an audit, how much am I going to get shafted to sort that out. It's the uncertainty that causes the problem - not wondering about the tax. My accountant in the UK screwed up and told me to pay £5000 that the tax man demanded. I got it sorted in the end but it still cost me £1500 to save the £5000. Until there is clarity, there is risk and I'll only be a tourist.
MR Hart is a highly intelligent individual. These people give select information for free, further info you must pay for. You pay for the many years he has sacrificed learning his trade.
I dont think its overreacting. There is concern about all this but thats valid. The thing about Thailands rules is that they never stay the same for very long. My personal advice is act like a local and pretend that taxes dont pertain to you. Probably not the best advice but I am sure it will work for many people
@@fjackson4382 there would be virtually no way for the Thai government to know. I don't see the point of paying taxes in Thailand. What do you get in return?
@@terencegraham8414 I don't live in Thailand. I used to live in Thailand for many years and am not skint. Nor was I skint then. I gave my opinion and some advice. The amount of corruption in regards to public works is high in Thailand. That's not exactly a secret. Furthermore the locals who are being corraled into paying taxes via the 10k handout or the expats who are directly contributing to the local economy are the one being eyed up by the taxman right now. If you honestly believe that the amount of taxes paid makes it's way to benefit the people as it should; give us an example.
There are penalties for not filing and the statute of limitations if no tax return has been filed is 10 years. There might be 4.9 Million foreigners in Thailand but most are low wage workers from neighboring Countries and the number of Western Expats on retirement and marriage is around 250,000. We all have to be registered were we live, do 90 reporting and now Thailand is a CRS (Common Reporting Standard) Country that has already started automatic reporting sharing info of bank balances and financial transactions and I think a lot think that showing a tax clearance will soon be part of the documentation for extending visas. So I no idea why some think Thailand would have no idea how long you been in Thailand and what your financial transactions have been not only in Thailand but in every other CRS as the reason given for CRS is to stop money laundering and tax evasion.
Some farang panic because they think that they must pay tax on all the money they send over to Thailand. Most will not have to pay any tax at all if they just make the right choice of money to send and others will only pay a little as it is only gains, dividends and interest that are taxed, not the principal. Pensions are for most people already taxed in their home countries and should not be taxed in Thailand.
@@mr.bullion6786 Of course, typical reaction from the Falang but many have no problem pouring millions in a land and house they could lose in a millisecond. Gota larf eh.
Disagreed that most pensions are taxed. A lot of countries like Australia have tax-exemptions on pensions. Only certain pensions in my country (and others) are not liable to taxation in Thailand under the DTA, such as military, certain government employee pensions. Others, like private pensions (me) and old age pensions, that are tax exempted in Australia, have no protection under DTA with Thailand. Lots of people are affected. It all comes down to the particular taxation structure of each country and their taxation policy on pensions. My Superannuation is taxed in accumulation phase. Even then, it is taxed at a reduced rate as a government incentive in Australia for people to fund their own retirement and not rely on the government. Pension phase in Australia is when our tax stops. Thailand doesn't see it the same way. Unfortunately our country has a weak DTA that fails to protect our pensions, like many other countries with Thailand. And 'choosing' which money to remit - many don't have a choice what to send as rely solely on pensions. My other investments in Australia, I am able to apply several tax credits due to depreciation, capital losses, abd other tax offsets. Question is whether Thailand will recognize those offsets as something they will allow, or deem therefore my taxes in Australia are lower than Thailand and remitted funds from those investments taxable as well. Hence, why I am being extremely frugal this year with remitting money to Thailand. Wait and see.
@@tyvid My take on the situation as well bud. Even if someone has 'no tax to pay' per se - the fact of the matter is that the compliance cost of having to apply for a TIN and file a tax return in Thailand (and in some cases one in Australia as well) is just ludicrous. I know a couple of very rich people who have stated they refuse to be drawn into their system and are planning to stay less than 180 days there.
@@michaelferguson651 in my humble opinion, for now, I'd be aiming at bringing in as little as possible in the event this tax on incoming remittances is enforced upon expats. There are allowances such as first 150,000 baht is tax-free. Then if you are over 60, there is an additional allowance. If you have a spouse there is extra allowance allowed. If your remittance is already taxed in your home country (and you have certified documentary evidence to prove it as well as backed up with perhap an accountant assessment, in your country) then it may be okay, as long as the tax is more than Thailand's rates. Another thing to look at is if you are one of the lucky countries to have pre-taxed pensions, you may be exempted, as well as if you have certain government or military pension. If you are US citizen, your social security is protected by a strong DTA with Thailand. Until you have clear information on your DTA and type of remittance you bring in, be careful and frugal IMHO. Don't be buying condos and cars by bringing in large sums unless you can be certain it's tax-exempt. If you bring in money as a non-tax resident (stay out of Thailand more than 183 days in a calendar year), you can remit as much as you like tax-free. Most of us don't have that liberty and wealth. But some certainly do and will use that method and live elsewhere for other parts of the year, or they take advantage of the wealthy expat loophole provided to them - the LTR visa - an elite visa requiring substantial investment and/or proof of high income. Others may use complex company and trust set-ups in tax-exempt countries where Thailand cannot tax, due to very strong DTA, like Hong Kong/China. There are also gifting allowances allowed to a Thai partner. I am hoping, like thousands of other expats, that it does not go ahead for expats, or we revert to what was the norm before. But, to be forearmerd is to be forewarned. Also, look at other countries as an option, a Plan B. Philippines is reported to be having an uptake of expats coming from Thailand. Not sure if it is significant, but is a choice for me.
We will not be able to write off capital losses until we have to pay Thai taxes on our global income. However, if you only send over the principal from investments with capita losses you don't have to pay any Thai tax at all and can let your capital gains continue to grow at home.
Not overreacting. Which country taxes remittances for spending in the country? Also the percentage tax rates for income brackets are high and ridiculous. They are reducing the incentive for retirees and this only hurts locals.
I live in New York, USA and they require state income tax to be paid. Should I set up residency in another state that does not require state income tax before retiring to Thailand? Does the IRS recognize that state income tax not be paid if living in Thailand as a retired ex-pat?
The US & Thai governments have the Tax Treaty still in place. My income is a combination of Social Security Retirement and Veteran disabilty meaning neither is taxed in the US, and the Thai government will not tax both as well. Why are people freaking out on this is beyond me.
Because not everyone has income based on your same criteria that is exempt. Some people sold property with huge capital gains and don’t want a foreign government taxing them on it after transferring the funds to a Thai bank for their retirement visas, to buy a vehicle or condo etc. Everyone’s situation is different.
I wonder if you have the time to read a very interesting publication by N Able Group, Bangkok. It is titled (Criticism on the New Taxation Practice on Foreign Sourced Income Remitted into Thailand). It makes very interesting reading. The group includes Legal and Accounting Services. After reading the Publication, I can not help wondering why other such professions who publish news about the New taxation practice appear oblivious to their finding which I assume relate to law and not ever changing or threatening rules.
Where can I find reliable sworn Tax specialists who can find out. Whether tax must be paid and can fill out an up-to-date Thai tax form for normal prices. Yes, who can tell me!
Wait, nobody has the latest update yet due to lack of information from the authorities that have to inform the public properly and issue new form before year end. The tax return has to be filed between 1 Jan - 31 March 2025 so you will have plenty of time. Meanwhile you should apply for a Thai TIN, Tax Identification Number, which can take upto 45 days to get.
I wish I could say this video made everything perfectly clear. But you would need a non-attorney for that. When I lived in the US, I had an attorney friend. One day, I said to him, "John, I can ask you a question about just about any topic, and you always have a credible answer/opinion. But if I ask you about the law, then you have to do research. 😂
I am looking for a reliable sworn appraiser. Where can you find one here in Thailand? Whoever I have asked, they indicate. That they have expertise. But want thousands of hard Western currency for their service. For filling out a form. Where can I find appraisers who know their stuff, and are not scammers. And who I can pay in proportion to what you have to pay in taxes.
Some of these Expats amaze me, they leave the security of their own country and front up to country that offers zero security to them . When the rules change and may go against them they cry a river and piss their pants. It's quite the joke eh.
What's one got to do with the other? I am Australian and I like a lot of people get constantly financially raped by the Australian government. Last time, 2017, I renewed my passport it was $280. Two weeks ago we were in the Phitsanulok passport office and it cost less than $80 for a 10 year passport. When we looked at moving back to Oz the cost to get a resident visa was $10000! I can live in Thailand till I die...as a permanent tourist!
@@สุภารัตร์ศรีบุริน Yer OK, stay here as a permanent tourist and enjoy your life as many permanent tourists do. You obviously ain't cashed up for a return to the land of Bogan so get on with living here forever living in perpetual turmoil.
as to DTA, some one interpret as below: those people from countries which have a double tax agreement with Thailand could still need to pay new tax in Thailand, double tax means that you will receive tax credit for taxes paid outside of Thailand. So, if you are assed as having to pay usd200 in USA and usd300 in Thailand, In Thailand you would pay 300-200=100 dollars in Thailand. anyway the risk is that one still likely to fill a tax report form with income and asset and let authority decide which is taxable and which be exempt. Filling the form could be a tedious process, depending on how it is designed, and whether there is english translation, or chinese? if not, hopefully no.need to seek professional help. And how can one prove whether the remitted income already taxed in other jurisdiction?(for example you have multiple income sources, and some sources already taxed but some exempted due to different tax law in another country ) does double tax exemption imply blanket tax exemption without need for exemption on an item by item basis (income source item/category) or need comparison of individual category, eg investment income, rental collected or simply pensions
What most people are missing, including the guy in the video, is not that these changes will mean people will pay more tax; although they very well could. What it means is that if you stay more than 180 days you are now a tax resident. As such, you could/will/must have a Thai tax number and you could/will/must file a Thai tax return each year. Those two issues alone are a massive burden for many expats, many who struggle even to transfer money to the country. It is also a massive opportunity for the authorities to make life difficult to the point where you need to “oil the machine” to solve the problem.
We all know the pain in the ass that a simple visa extension can cause. Can you imagine filing a 25 page Thai tax return once a year and taking a load of documentation in English/German/French to the office to prove you’ve paid tax already!!
No doubt a great opportunity for this guys business, as I’m sure he will get you a Tax code for $250-$300 and file a tax return each year for $400-$600.
So no, people are not over reacting. They are planning for the worst and hoping for the best outcome.
ANY tax on income is too much when you have the rights of a tourist.
You are not a tourist if you stay in Thailand for 180 days or more, you are considered a tax resident, you can call yourself what you want.
@@GrahamHeyes-d3l Nice reply, I like it. Cheers
@@GrahamHeyes-d3lhe said the rights of a tourist. He did not say he is a tourist. You should read it again. It's called taxation without representation.
@@fjackson4382 Practically every country in the world has taxation without representation. If you are resident in most countries (including America and Thailand) for 180 days or more you are tax resident, this does not give you voting rights.
I understand what you are saying but because a government has decided to call you a tax resident is the same that I call myself a tourist and therefore also think JVANO73 is also correct when you have no rights whatsoever. I mean here: if you pay tax you should have the same rights! and of course pflights@@GrahamHeyes-d3l
We are not overreacting, but preparing.
We are trying to prepare despite the lack of proper information which is typical Thai.
Greece does not have a double tax treaty with Thailand. So I am paying capital gains in Greece and then also need to pay tax bring in the money into Thailand. So yes I am worried.
You are right and wrong. The tax authorities are to blame for not clarifying the issue and informing the public. I have read the present tax code by the tax revenue department and it has to be updated and new forms have to be issued in order for us to pay tax.
Gov makes laws it up to civil servants and residents to work through it. We do not need me forms the old ones will work. The RD has clarified things, this was issued 2 months ago. NO LAWS HAVE CHANGED, what is it you are waiting for? www.expattaxthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf
The situation is very clear, this was published last month. There has been no change in law. Wjy are you expecting new rules or forms? www.expattaxthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf
you are completely wrong, if you live in Thailand it's your responsibility to know the law. This was issued by RD about 2 months ago.www.expattaxthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf
Time to Leave Thailand , several other market are now half the price and half the risk
Door in the Arse, that work for you.
I just watched a Siam Legal seminar yesterday. If you are Canadian the dual tax treaty clearly states that pension and income taxed at source will not be subject to any tax in Thailand. Check your dual tax treaty before loosing your blob.
I'm not concerned about having to pay more taxes in Thailand because of the tax treaty. My concerns are with what the CRA can enforce if you are claimed by another country as any type of resident. Plus, Justin wants to impose a $25,000 tax on Canadians that become a resident of another country.
@@chrissmall1246 Do you still have to fill in the tax form in Thailand even if you don't need to pay any tax here?
@osons3698 Wow, that's crazy. You are born into these arbitrary rules, which you might not agree with, and you can't leave either, defuck. I am not Canadian, but it sounds like they want people to revolt or something..
Sadly, a lot of countries are implementing similar rules...
Not Over reacting at all. When the Government cannot give straight answers people speculate. Unfortunately they usually think the worse (and are often proved right).
We are mere "tourists" here so have no rights like Thais. As an American you should think how your Foundling Father's thought and for what Americans died for....."No Taxation without Representation"....or were they wrong???
Right. Unfortunately Thailand doesn’t follow the American constitution or laws. They can and do whatever they want and we have to abide by their rules regardless of how insane they are.
@@johnwentz3925 I totally agree
They cannot apply a simple list of requirements for the granting of a visa. The outlook for tax assessment is worrying, particularly when added to the current blizzard of misinformation and speculation! 😢
15 and a half years and still just a tourist! So why do I pay tax in Thailand? I do on my local investment and bank interest. I am Australian and even the ATO doesn't tax me on my pension. They could cut the BS and make those married to a Thai citizen a permanent resident. I am not asking for much, just a fair go.
I don’t think people are overreacting at all. It has been some time since the head of the Revenue Dept. announced her plan and she recently confirmed that a new law was being drafted. I took my USA income for 2023 and applied the known Thai tax formula and my taxes were more than doubled, largely because of capital gains and not being able to apply capital losses. It’s already mid September and we should know something by now, particularly if there is an intent to implement this for next year. It is interesting that we have not heard from the government and the PM wants to bring all Thai workers into the tax system- good luck with that.
recently tax authority hinted that world income tax may be retroactively introduced even for 2024
As an American I am not worried about the tax. I am more concerned that I may have to pay $200-$300 a year for a $0 tax return.
Should be able to do it yourself. Stupid waste of time
Do it yourself, the form is avaiiable in English but I think in will be slightly modified before year end.
@@mr.bullion6786the government has already said it will be changed . But I did my Thai taxes online . Wonder if that will still be possible . The real issue is of course what amendments will be made .
@@wengelder9256 I thought the period open to send in the tax form was 1 Jan to 31 March 2025 only and an extra 8 days for online. Maybe I'm wrong.
@@mr.bullion6786 that’s true . But we are just 3-4 months away from January 1st . So the government has to be prepared by Jan 1 2025 for anyone who wants to file his tax return under the new directive .
This video is right in some respects, but not in others. Uncertainty makes people pause. That's human nature. Engaging a lawyer or tax advisor to find out what an individuals status is - so Mr Hart gives his time for free? I doubt it. And if Mr Hart says I had to pay $10000 for advice, how do I know he's not scamming me? I don't. Ditto for any tax official I employ. And if I do get chosen for an audit, how much am I going to get shafted to sort that out. It's the uncertainty that causes the problem - not wondering about the tax. My accountant in the UK screwed up and told me to pay £5000 that the tax man demanded. I got it sorted in the end but it still cost me £1500 to save the £5000. Until there is clarity, there is risk and I'll only be a tourist.
MR Hart is a highly intelligent individual. These people give select information for free, further info you must pay for. You pay for the many years he has sacrificed learning his trade.
I dont think its overreacting. There is concern about all this but thats valid. The thing about Thailands rules is that they never stay the same for very long.
My personal advice is act like a local and pretend that taxes dont pertain to you. Probably not the best advice but I am sure it will work for many people
Your second part is exactly what most will do. Because more than likely there won't be a proper way for the Government to track this anyways.
@@fjackson4382 there would be virtually no way for the Thai government to know. I don't see the point of paying taxes in Thailand. What do you get in return?
@@akl4709 Dude, what are you doing here if you must ask that question ? You're skint right.
@@terencegraham8414 I don't live in Thailand. I used to live in Thailand for many years and am not skint. Nor was I skint then. I gave my opinion and some advice.
The amount of corruption in regards to public works is high in Thailand. That's not exactly a secret. Furthermore the locals who are being corraled into paying taxes via the 10k handout or the expats who are directly contributing to the local economy are the one being eyed up by the taxman right now. If you honestly believe that the amount of taxes paid makes it's way to benefit the people as it should; give us an example.
There are penalties for not filing and the statute of limitations if no tax return has been filed is 10 years. There might be 4.9 Million foreigners in Thailand but most are low wage workers from neighboring Countries and the number of Western Expats on retirement and marriage is around 250,000. We all have to be registered were we live, do 90 reporting and now Thailand is a CRS (Common Reporting Standard) Country that has already started automatic reporting sharing info of bank balances and financial transactions and I think a lot think that showing a tax clearance will soon be part of the documentation for extending visas. So I no idea why some think Thailand would have no idea how long you been in Thailand and what your financial transactions have been not only in Thailand but in every other CRS as the reason given for CRS is to stop money laundering and tax evasion.
Some farang panic because they think that they must pay tax on all the money they send over to Thailand. Most will not have to pay any tax at all if they just make the right choice of money to send and others will only pay a little as it is only gains, dividends and interest that are taxed, not the principal. Pensions are for most people already taxed in their home countries and should not be taxed in Thailand.
@@mr.bullion6786 Of course, typical reaction from the Falang but many have no problem pouring millions in a land and house they could lose in a millisecond. Gota larf eh.
Disagreed that most pensions are taxed. A lot of countries like Australia have tax-exemptions on pensions. Only certain pensions in my country (and others) are not liable to taxation in Thailand under the DTA, such as military, certain government employee pensions. Others, like private pensions (me) and old age pensions, that are tax exempted in Australia, have no protection under DTA with Thailand.
Lots of people are affected.
It all comes down to the particular taxation structure of each country and their taxation policy on pensions. My Superannuation is taxed in accumulation phase. Even then, it is taxed at a reduced rate as a government incentive in Australia for people to fund their own retirement and not rely on the government. Pension phase in Australia is when our tax stops. Thailand doesn't see it the same way. Unfortunately our country has a weak DTA that fails to protect our pensions, like many other countries with Thailand.
And 'choosing' which money to remit - many don't have a choice what to send as rely solely on pensions.
My other investments in Australia, I am able to apply several tax credits due to depreciation, capital losses, abd other tax offsets. Question is whether Thailand will recognize those offsets as something they will allow, or deem therefore my taxes in Australia are lower than Thailand and remitted funds from those investments taxable as well. Hence, why I am being extremely frugal this year with remitting money to Thailand. Wait and see.
What is the right choice of money to send?
@@tyvid My take on the situation as well bud. Even if someone has 'no tax to pay' per se - the fact of the matter is that the compliance cost of having to apply for a TIN and file a tax return in Thailand (and in some cases one in Australia as well) is just ludicrous. I know a couple of very rich people who have stated they refuse to be drawn into their system and are planning to stay less than 180 days there.
@@michaelferguson651 in my humble opinion, for now, I'd be aiming at bringing in as little as possible in the event this tax on incoming remittances is enforced upon expats. There are allowances such as first 150,000 baht is tax-free. Then if you are over 60, there is an additional allowance. If you have a spouse there is extra allowance allowed. If your remittance is already taxed in your home country (and you have certified documentary evidence to prove it as well as backed up with perhap an accountant assessment, in your country) then it may be okay, as long as the tax is more than Thailand's rates. Another thing to look at is if you are one of the lucky countries to have pre-taxed pensions, you may be exempted, as well as if you have certain government or military pension. If you are US citizen, your social security is protected by a strong DTA with Thailand. Until you have clear information on your DTA and type of remittance you bring in, be careful and frugal IMHO. Don't be buying condos and cars by bringing in large sums unless you can be certain it's tax-exempt. If you bring in money as a non-tax resident (stay out of Thailand more than 183 days in a calendar year), you can remit as much as you like tax-free. Most of us don't have that liberty and wealth. But some certainly do and will use that method and live elsewhere for other parts of the year, or they take advantage of the wealthy expat loophole provided to them - the LTR visa - an elite visa requiring substantial investment and/or proof of high income. Others may use complex company and trust set-ups in tax-exempt countries where Thailand cannot tax, due to very strong DTA, like Hong Kong/China. There are also gifting allowances allowed to a Thai partner.
I am hoping, like thousands of other expats, that it does not go ahead for expats, or we revert to what was the norm before. But, to be forearmerd is to be forewarned. Also, look at other countries as an option, a Plan B. Philippines is reported to be having an uptake of expats coming from Thailand. Not sure if it is significant, but is a choice for me.
I’m just worried about not being able to write off capital losses if they hit us on our over seas income
We will not be able to write off capital losses until we have to pay Thai taxes on our global income. However, if you only send over the principal from investments with capita losses you don't have to pay any Thai tax at all and can let your capital gains continue to grow at home.
Not overreacting. Which country taxes remittances for spending in the country? Also the percentage tax rates for income brackets are high and ridiculous. They are reducing the incentive for retirees and this only hurts locals.
@@gegaoli The locals don't give a toss. Falang are a dime a dozen.
@@terencegraham8414 Doesn’t change the outcome that is negative for them and that is the point.
@@gegaoli There is no point, nothing has happened yet and you girls are talking shit up. Just saying.
Thumbs up 👍 Benjamin
Worldwide tax will come next year. For me not a question anymore. Focus is now on tourist.
The best part with the new tax incentive is that it is full of loopholes if not corrected.
So complicated! Go where you are appreciated. PH here I come!
As a "tourist" would that mean we are able to claim back any gst paid on purchaces and expenses made in thailand while visiting as quote a tourist?
The authorities are trying to not only get foreigners to pay tax but also get every Thai citizen to eventually file tax returns. 😅😅😅
I live in New York, USA and they require state income tax to be paid. Should I set up residency in another state that does not require state income tax before retiring to Thailand? Does the IRS recognize that state income tax not be paid if living in Thailand as a retired ex-pat?
The US & Thai governments have the Tax Treaty still in place. My income is a combination of Social Security Retirement and Veteran disabilty meaning neither is taxed in the US, and the Thai government will not tax both as well. Why are people freaking out on this is beyond me.
Because not everyone has income based on your same criteria that is exempt. Some people sold property with huge capital gains and don’t want a foreign government taxing them on it after transferring the funds to a Thai bank for their retirement visas, to buy a vehicle or condo etc. Everyone’s situation is different.
I wonder if you have the time to read a very interesting publication by N Able Group, Bangkok. It is titled (Criticism on the New Taxation Practice on Foreign Sourced Income Remitted into Thailand). It makes very interesting reading. The group includes Legal and Accounting Services. After reading the Publication, I can not help wondering why other such professions who publish news about the New taxation practice appear oblivious to their finding which I assume relate to law and not ever changing or threatening rules.
Where can I find reliable sworn Tax specialists who can find out. Whether tax must be paid and can fill out an up-to-date Thai tax form for normal prices. Yes, who can tell me!
Wait, nobody has the latest update yet due to lack of information from the authorities that have to inform the public properly and issue new form before year end. The tax return has to be filed between 1 Jan - 31 March 2025 so you will have plenty of time. Meanwhile you should apply for a Thai TIN, Tax Identification Number, which can take upto 45 days to get.
I wish I could say this video made everything perfectly clear. But you would need a non-attorney for that.
When I lived in the US, I had an attorney friend. One day, I said to him, "John, I can ask you a question about just about any topic, and you always have a credible answer/opinion. But if I ask you about the law, then you have to do research. 😂
No comments here I suspect there are more foreigners who face the same problem
No we are not overreacting😂😂😂😂😂😂
Expats in Thailand, overreacting? Impossible, they would never... 🤣🤣
it is better not to require everyone to fill in tax forms, notwithstanding they have tax liability or not, coz it is waste of resources on all parties
Crazy people keep saying its aimed at wealthy Thais.
I'm waiting until next year to take profits.
[Laughs in Tea Party]
No idea what he was going on about.
I am looking for a reliable sworn appraiser. Where can you find one here in Thailand? Whoever I have asked, they indicate. That they have expertise. But want thousands of hard Western currency for their service. For filling out a form. Where can I find appraisers who know their stuff, and are not scammers. And who I can pay in proportion to what you have to pay in taxes.
Did men walk on the moon ?I hope I'll find the true. We believe what we seem to anderstand.....it's not so easy for our future!
Thanks for your effort to fact checked
No, you have been😂
Some of these Expats amaze me, they leave the security of their own country and front up to country that offers zero security to them . When the rules change and may go against them they cry a river and piss their pants. It's quite the joke eh.
You are the joke!
What's one got to do with the other? I am Australian and I like a lot of people get constantly financially raped by the Australian government. Last time, 2017, I renewed my passport it was $280. Two weeks ago we were in the Phitsanulok passport office and it cost less than $80 for a 10 year passport. When we looked at moving back to Oz the cost to get a resident visa was $10000! I can live in Thailand till I die...as a permanent tourist!
@@สุภารัตร์ศรีบุริน Yer OK, stay here as a permanent tourist and enjoy your life as many permanent tourists do. You obviously ain't cashed up for a return to the land of Bogan so get on with living here forever living in perpetual turmoil.
as to DTA, some one interpret as below:
those people
from countries which have
a double tax agreement
with Thailand could still need to pay new
tax in Thailand,
double tax means that you
will receive tax credit for
taxes paid outside of
Thailand. So, if you are
assed as having to pay
usd200 in USA and usd300
in Thailand, In Thailand you
would pay 300-200=100
dollars in Thailand.
anyway the risk is that one still likely to fill a tax report form with income and asset and let authority decide which is taxable and which be exempt. Filling the form could be a tedious process, depending on how it is designed, and whether there is english translation, or chinese? if not, hopefully no.need to seek professional help. And how can one prove whether the remitted income already taxed in other jurisdiction?(for example you have multiple income sources, and some sources already taxed but some exempted due to different tax law in another country )
does double tax exemption imply blanket tax exemption without need for exemption on an item by item basis (income source item/category) or need comparison of individual category, eg investment income, rental collected or simply pensions