Disappointed in Sega not providing Relic/CohDev with sufficient support to actually deliver what the dev team are both capable of and willing to give us. The advanced infantry battlegroup seem decent enough, but I'm scared that Rangers will simply devolve into "6 bazookas/6 LMGs" and that auto firing howies will be either a gimmick or a sim city players dream. Coastal reserves feels like it was made put of existing assets (not a inheritly bad thing!) but we shall see. If hammer/shield was £8 I'd buy it, but for 16? I'll see if I can scrounge the merit for Advanced Infantry
Relic should have asked for a delay for a year from Sega. It would have been better to delay the game than to release it in the state it was in. I bet you we wont even get a true expansions to company of heroes due to lack luster sales due to poor reviews. They probably just called this 5$ DLC at max a expansion for contract reasons. a Expansion shouldve been a new campaign like D-Day or pacific island hoping campaign. I dont think Relic will get the funds to give us anything to that degree.
@@ohiost74 they probably did ask for a delay, noone wants to release a product with the main selling point (to the average consumer) full of placeholder assets (the italian campaigns UI looked like it was barebones and thats before the actual gameplay). Honestly, I think we'll get another year of content before something like a maintenance mode is put in place, but we shall see
The team hasn't shown competence or that they can deliver. I think it's a talent mismatch. They left out core functionality like replays so they could do a Nintendo release. People often blame publishers, but I can tell you that team leads and project managers on the dev said are some of the most unreliable and flaky people in many cases. They get cover from fans to blame "the suits" but that's usually not what goes on. The devs overpromise and want unlimited resources with no explanation. This is why game devs get paid about half of what software devs working on business software. They're not up to the task.
I think you make some good points. SEGA, as a publisher, has really shown some sketchy tactics. Their handling of Total War: Warhammer 3 should have been a huge red flag for us CoH3 players. They trickle in content each year for money, and lovers of the games will buy into it. However, it's usually never anything significant. And if it is, they charge a large sum of money for it. I say all of this because Relic also develops Age of Empires IV, and that community has been satisfied. However, it's not published by SEGA, but by Microsoft. I think that should be an indicator of the background bullshit.
When I see I have to pay for CoH3 content... Then I realize I preordered premium edition! Then I realized I preordered and haven't played since June... Good to see replays have finally gotten some support 9 months later.
Dont forget AOE4 expansion gets a full new campaign. I think the issue with COH3 that the base game was rushed with many missing stuff that they barely done now with fixing the core experience. Take AOE4 as example. it had replay system ON RELEASE. COH3 needed 10 month after release to get to that. feels like 2024 if the game dont die, we will start getting new stuff. Dec feels like what the game should have been at 1.0.
AoE4 got 2 civs for free AoE4 expansion brings 2 fresh new civs (which were heavily requested by the community) and 4 variations for $15, along with a new campaign. These "variation civs" add way more content and gameplay variety than a battlegroup in CoH3. By comparison, if this CoH3 "expansion" costs more than $3 it will look really bad for them. And even $3 is being crazy generous for how disappointing the whole thing has been (release and expansion content). Ah! AoE4 is not squeezing its community with cosmetics either, another thumb up to them.
Yeah, this update is pretty much 1.0. They had a lot of catching up to do, seems like development time was focused poorly or the game was incredibly rushed. Maybe both.
Now you see what happens when you have: A: a publisher with infinite money B: a publisher that doesn’t force you to do anything C: an actual dev team that doesn’t get laid off
@@bro3217 No kidding, man. You have the same developer but two different publishers. AoE 4 community is loving life. CoH 3 community is on life support. Microsoft, as a publisher, is really doing something special for gaming, imo.
This was a really good summary and critique, good video. Its crazy and galling thay CoH 3 snd AoE 4 are being developed under the same roof. How can they not learn simple lessons from another team inside the SAME STUDIO. It feels like the CoH 3 dev team has been mismanaged, starved of resources and are now being forced to put out the bare minimum at an outrageous price to try and bring in some money and justify continued support. How are they supposed to make a success of the game when they werent allowed to deliver it with basic features required for an online community to form and maintain interest (replays)? How are they expected to generate new revenues when interest in the game is low for the above reason AND the content is crazy overpriced compared to other offerings from THE SAME STUDIO. We can only hope now that we have replay tools that the community to can save itself with organically organised competitive events and player created maps.
33% of an “Expansion” by Relic standards shouldn’t be cosmetics. Also challenge dailies and weeklies in total for a month equals 7,600 merit, so you’d have to grind 2 months straight to get 1 commander.
It's also a pity that they haven't yet reworked the North African campaign. It doesn't feel historically accurate at all. No Panzers I and II, still they give you a Tiger tank at the early stage of Rommel's campaign and put an experimental Black Prince at the Brits' disposal which never saw combat in WW2. That is why I have never touched this single player campaign.
I'm surprised that there isn't a BG for each faction, so we're going to end up with an imbalanced number (and potentially no more in future). It's weird they didn't at least do one for the UKF because they clearly have unused assets such as Australian and Canadian infantry that have been in since launch. It really cannot be difficult to create a new thematic BG for them. And yes, when you compare with the AoE4 expansion (or even CoH2 expansions) it really is ridiculous. What are they playing at?
I think i know the reasoning behind the price policy. Since the game didnt really do very well since launch, they have to increase the prices to break even with development and personell costs. And they also have to show management, that it is a profitable idea to continue working on CoH3. Imagine for a moment that the DLC is priced at 10$ instead of 16$. Because the player count is so low, there already is a smaller pool of potential buyers. A lower pool of potential customers, paired with low prices doesnt make for a very profitable business. So to compensate, they are forced to increase prices. Its really not a matter of content delivered but of predicted market-performance (including the number of potential customers) and previous costs. On the other hand, AoE4 can afford to lower prices since that game is performing much better. They have a larger pool of potential customers and (propably) the revenue to back up any price cuts.
What a ripoff. Pay 60 bucks for an unfinished broken game and now you have to pay them 17 bucks again to fix it a bit. Its just criminally gready. Also i think these battlegroups are going to get a bit funky. 6 weapon upgrades? And jou can get them from upgrading existing infantry. Thats going to get patched out in no time because the squad is just going to be to strong. The worst part is that this trash game is hurting coh2. All this time and money into broken promises and shatterd dreams while coh2 is left forgotten in the past. I dont have the money to pay 77 bucks for a broken unfinished game and i think it is just criminal that they dare to ask. Practises like this ruin the gaming industry making it al pay to win and quick money grabs because that is whats best for the company. Just a sad dystopian future.
It feels like there are only a handful of devs still working on this game at most. It's a shame, I really was so hyped before the release and wanted it to be a great game but Relic made too many mistakes with this game so it was destined to fail. So sad
Rangers do not even have Thompsons? Man... I dropped the game in June and promised myself I will come back to it once they add some new fresh battle groups. We are in November and there are still no Thompsons nor M26 Pershing? I guess I will come back to this game mid 2024 or in 2025...
I don't know how Relic pushes to get CoH 3 published by Microsoft, but holy hell do we need it. My buddies and I have been pushing over to AoE 4 versus CoH. Phil Spencer really has gamers in mind when it comes to publishing games. Hell, we could see a StarCraft 3, perhaps, with Microsoft now owning Acti / Blizz.
im still playing CoH2 and still wonder until now if CoH3 is worth of playing (not buying but playing) as I saw and played the beta the comparism not evening close especially by scaling
for me coh3 still feels weird after release. Troops and tank movement seem kinda slow and not precise as well as the combat. In coh2 i am worried about every single soldier in a squad. In coh3 it feels like it doesnt matter. The sounddesign also doesnt underline the important parts in the game
I honstly just don't get it. Releasing this content for money at all is questionable given the state of the game and how long it has been, let alone at this insane price.
A great disappointment. I love both CoH and AoE, but have always preferred CoH, even the third installment on crutches. But now I'm more and more drifting towards AoE 4 because it's just way more interesting in many aspects now.
interesting battle-groups for the Wehrmacht faction, with the coastal reserve and the artillery officer. Both USF battle groups looked pretty lackluster tho to be really honest, and so did the Wehrmacht ones too. I will probably not buy this one even
I’m extremely disappointed in this expansion. Game devs need to learn that their best stuff goes in first, you arent going to attract new players a year out…no matter what dlc you release. The best dlc goes in first.
Release an unfinished game at a premium price then charge the fans for them to (still not) complete it with unfinished work to bring it to v.1 masquerading as an expansion, and a lacklustre one at that! Maybe in 3 years time the game will be finished and be worth picking up in a Steam sale, currently, hard pass! Who decided it was a good idea for Relic to adopt the Bethesda business model?
Seems on par for how lackluster CoH 3 has been. Idk if Sega just trying to have Relic salvage and milk as mcuh as possible, but releasing an Xpac during current state of the game is pretty crige in my opinion. There is a lot to be done BEFORE releasing an Xpac.
well what can you say i wasnt expecting much given that todays gaming is full of disappointments. to even call this an expanison is a complete joke lol
Given that AoE4 gets full expanison and CoH3 gets pice meal dlc that is more expensive yeagh it shows where lelics priorities are aka where money is so yeagh CoH3 is ded time to let go of sunken cost falacy.
You think coh3 is struggling to generate revenue to add anything new given the state they released it I don't think that the turn-based suited coh3 and put players off given that coh has never been a turned-based game and aoe4 just kept it as simple and original as before I liked how they pushed the boundaries but in the end it hasn't worked for them.
The best numbers coh2 had was when they gave the thing away. Other than that the player count was nothing phenomenal. Coh3 is no different. Suck it up and try to enjoy the game or just play something else for god sake.
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Disappointed in Sega not providing Relic/CohDev with sufficient support to actually deliver what the dev team are both capable of and willing to give us. The advanced infantry battlegroup seem decent enough, but I'm scared that Rangers will simply devolve into "6 bazookas/6 LMGs" and that auto firing howies will be either a gimmick or a sim city players dream. Coastal reserves feels like it was made put of existing assets (not a inheritly bad thing!) but we shall see. If hammer/shield was £8 I'd buy it, but for 16? I'll see if I can scrounge the merit for Advanced Infantry
Relic should have asked for a delay for a year from Sega. It would have been better to delay the game than to release it in the state it was in. I bet you we wont even get a true expansions to company of heroes due to lack luster sales due to poor reviews. They probably just called this 5$ DLC at max a expansion for contract reasons. a Expansion shouldve been a new campaign like D-Day or pacific island hoping campaign. I dont think Relic will get the funds to give us anything to that degree.
@@ohiost74 they probably did ask for a delay, noone wants to release a product with the main selling point (to the average consumer) full of placeholder assets (the italian campaigns UI looked like it was barebones and thats before the actual gameplay).
Honestly, I think we'll get another year of content before something like a maintenance mode is put in place, but we shall see
The team hasn't shown competence or that they can deliver. I think it's a talent mismatch. They left out core functionality like replays so they could do a Nintendo release. People often blame publishers, but I can tell you that team leads and project managers on the dev said are some of the most unreliable and flaky people in many cases. They get cover from fans to blame "the suits" but that's usually not what goes on. The devs overpromise and want unlimited resources with no explanation. This is why game devs get paid about half of what software devs working on business software. They're not up to the task.
I think you make some good points. SEGA, as a publisher, has really shown some sketchy tactics. Their handling of Total War: Warhammer 3 should have been a huge red flag for us CoH3 players. They trickle in content each year for money, and lovers of the games will buy into it. However, it's usually never anything significant. And if it is, they charge a large sum of money for it. I say all of this because Relic also develops Age of Empires IV, and that community has been satisfied. However, it's not published by SEGA, but by Microsoft. I think that should be an indicator of the background bullshit.
I think Relic knows its the end and takes whatever money they can get before ending all support.
When I see I have to pay for CoH3 content...
Then I realize I preordered premium edition!
Then I realized I preordered and haven't played since June...
Good to see replays have finally gotten some support 9 months later.
Hahaha thinking the same thing. 😂
its ok bro you wont play it more than acouple hours if you buy the update anyway
Dont forget AOE4 expansion gets a full new campaign. I think the issue with COH3 that the base game was rushed with many missing stuff that they barely done now with fixing the core experience. Take AOE4 as example. it had replay system ON RELEASE. COH3 needed 10 month after release to get to that. feels like 2024 if the game dont die, we will start getting new stuff. Dec feels like what the game should have been at 1.0.
AoE4 got 2 civs for free
AoE4 expansion brings 2 fresh new civs (which were heavily requested by the community) and 4 variations for $15, along with a new campaign. These "variation civs" add way more content and gameplay variety than a battlegroup in CoH3.
By comparison, if this CoH3 "expansion" costs more than $3 it will look really bad for them. And even $3 is being crazy generous for how disappointing the whole thing has been (release and expansion content).
Ah! AoE4 is not squeezing its community with cosmetics either, another thumb up to them.
@@StridBR thanks for the detail. I have aoe4 on gamepass. I am switching to this. Have had Coh3 uninstalled for months and I pre-ordered the premium.
Yeah, this update is pretty much 1.0. They had a lot of catching up to do, seems like development time was focused poorly or the game was incredibly rushed. Maybe both.
Now you see what happens when you have:
A: a publisher with infinite money
B: a publisher that doesn’t force you to do anything
C: an actual dev team that doesn’t get laid off
@@bro3217 No kidding, man. You have the same developer but two different publishers. AoE 4 community is loving life. CoH 3 community is on life support. Microsoft, as a publisher, is really doing something special for gaming, imo.
Man, i already paid 60€ for an unfinished game, why should i pay again for a little amount of content which is also far too late?!
This was a really good summary and critique, good video.
Its crazy and galling thay CoH 3 snd AoE 4 are being developed under the same roof. How can they not learn simple lessons from another team inside the SAME STUDIO.
It feels like the CoH 3 dev team has been mismanaged, starved of resources and are now being forced to put out the bare minimum at an outrageous price to try and bring in some money and justify continued support.
How are they supposed to make a success of the game when they werent allowed to deliver it with basic features required for an online community to form and maintain interest (replays)? How are they expected to generate new revenues when interest in the game is low for the above reason AND the content is crazy overpriced compared to other offerings from THE SAME STUDIO.
We can only hope now that we have replay tools that the community to can save itself with organically organised competitive events and player created maps.
33% of an “Expansion” by Relic standards shouldn’t be cosmetics. Also challenge dailies and weeklies in total for a month equals 7,600 merit, so you’d have to grind 2 months straight to get 1 commander.
Its more like 4 month because missions are bugged because p3s and chaffees dont count as tanks in the mission to kill vehicles with tanks...
And said cosmetics are only for a few select units, you can’t even apply them to your whole army, so it would look consistent.
It's also a pity that they haven't yet reworked the North African campaign. It doesn't feel historically accurate at all. No Panzers I and II, still they give you a Tiger tank at the early stage of Rommel's campaign and put an experimental Black Prince at the Brits' disposal which never saw combat in WW2. That is why I have never touched this single player campaign.
Top quality video elpern. Good job! Used to hearing you ramble madness on twitch (in a good way). Didn't know you scrubbed up so professionally!
This game was born a year earlier, now it can be said that it's just starting.
I'm surprised that there isn't a BG for each faction, so we're going to end up with an imbalanced number (and potentially no more in future). It's weird they didn't at least do one for the UKF because they clearly have unused assets such as Australian and Canadian infantry that have been in since launch. It really cannot be difficult to create a new thematic BG for them.
And yes, when you compare with the AoE4 expansion (or even CoH2 expansions) it really is ridiculous. What are they playing at?
Unit Animation Polish. haha when they use capital P in Polish, I always think of a Polish market orientet content.
3:30 oh yea.. "B4" for wehrmacht
I think i know the reasoning behind the price policy. Since the game didnt really do very well since launch, they have to increase the prices to break even with development and personell costs. And they also have to show management, that it is a profitable idea to continue working on CoH3. Imagine for a moment that the DLC is priced at 10$ instead of 16$. Because the player count is so low, there already is a smaller pool of potential buyers. A lower pool of potential customers, paired with low prices doesnt make for a very profitable business. So to compensate, they are forced to increase prices. Its really not a matter of content delivered but of predicted market-performance (including the number of potential customers) and previous costs.
On the other hand, AoE4 can afford to lower prices since that game is performing much better. They have a larger pool of potential customers and (propably) the revenue to back up any price cuts.
Things aren’t looking good for CoH3
People are just waiting the 50% discount...
shut up
@@diego2817 Nah, many people have it and they don't play it
@@garrywindshield1 well I refunded it months ago and now I am waiting for discount, I fell the game is now in good shape
Casually forgets that the DLC comes with a massive update that will put the game above the other cohs. Coh2 is shit and coh1 is old
What a ripoff. Pay 60 bucks for an unfinished broken game and now you have to pay them 17 bucks again to fix it a bit. Its just criminally gready.
Also i think these battlegroups are going to get a bit funky. 6 weapon upgrades? And jou can get them from upgrading existing infantry. Thats going to get patched out in no time because the squad is just going to be to strong.
The worst part is that this trash game is hurting coh2. All this time and money into broken promises and shatterd dreams while coh2 is left forgotten in the past.
I dont have the money to pay 77 bucks for a broken unfinished game and i think it is just criminal that they dare to ask. Practises like this ruin the gaming industry making it al pay to win and quick money grabs because that is whats best for the company. Just a sad dystopian future.
goddamnit.. i play Brits and DAK and was holding out on reading patch notes to get a surprise - a surprise i got indeed
It feels like there are only a handful of devs still working on this game at most. It's a shame, I really was so hyped before the release and wanted it to be a great game but Relic made too many mistakes with this game so it was destined to fail. So sad
Rangers do not even have Thompsons? Man... I dropped the game in June and promised myself I will come back to it once they add some new fresh battle groups. We are in November and there are still no Thompsons nor M26 Pershing? I guess I will come back to this game mid 2024 or in 2025...
Well, Pershing in Italy seems a bit silly
Oh wait, the Black Prince is in this game
Wtf?
just stay gone please
Never an expansion. 1 solid dev sprint at best of product development.
Ngl, the update in itself is good, calling it an expansion is a shame... I'm happy that we have some mp stuff but come on relic...
I don't know how Relic pushes to get CoH 3 published by Microsoft, but holy hell do we need it. My buddies and I have been pushing over to AoE 4 versus CoH. Phil Spencer really has gamers in mind when it comes to publishing games. Hell, we could see a StarCraft 3, perhaps, with Microsoft now owning Acti / Blizz.
I can't believe my compass doesn't point north from the physical premium version.....
im still playing CoH2 and still wonder until now if CoH3 is worth of playing (not buying but playing) as I saw and played the beta the comparism not evening close especially by scaling
I just turtled against AI in COH2 really wish they would add some love for compstomp. =p
Im sure you'll be quite satisfied by the caostal reserves then :P
It's amazing how quick CoH3 was made. And that's about all it should be praised for. 😅 But give it one more year, and it should be in a decent state.
You summed it up quite nicely: TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.
for me coh3 still feels weird after release. Troops and tank movement seem kinda slow and not precise as well as the combat. In coh2 i am worried about every single soldier in a squad. In coh3 it feels like it doesnt matter. The sounddesign also doesnt underline the important parts in the game
Ugh I wanna keep supporting this game and franchise but it’s just been such a let down. I’m too tempted to just go back to coh2 at this point
Yeah. Go back to two and get into modding. It's so much better.
Come back to CoH2! Community is great, it'd be great to have you!
Coh2 has more players then CoH3 does. That’s not being hyperbolic, it just is.
Who the fuck is stopping you
How on earth do they justify the price for this small patch lol
I honstly just don't get it. Releasing this content for money at all is questionable given the state of the game and how long it has been, let alone at this insane price.
So essentially you are paying more for stuff that should have been done already (corrections) and like two new things in content.
Coh3 at least got to see it's 1st "xpac" unlike DoW3.....why do I think SEGA RELIC is incapable of getting past the number 3?
100% agree with you
A great disappointment. I love both CoH and AoE, but have always preferred CoH, even the third installment on crutches. But now I'm more and more drifting towards AoE 4 because it's just way more interesting in many aspects now.
interesting battle-groups for the Wehrmacht faction, with the coastal reserve and the artillery officer. Both USF battle groups looked pretty lackluster tho to be really honest, and so did the Wehrmacht ones too. I will probably not buy this one even
I don't know if AOE4 is only Relic at this point. Wasn't it handed over to a Microsoft team? Maybe Relic is starved for manpower lol.
Nope. Relic is still working on aoe4 in some capacity, but most of that game muscle seems to be Forgotten Empires
Excuse me .. did you say that the Rangers have 6 weapon slots?
... did I stutter?
@@elpern just wanted to make sure, cause that's one of the most f'ed up things ever since CoH1, lmao
I’m extremely disappointed in this expansion. Game devs need to learn that their best stuff goes in first, you arent going to attract new players a year out…no matter what dlc you release. The best dlc goes in first.
Where is the King Tiger? Need something exciting!!
They can polish a turd, bit it will stay a turd. Expansion of a turd = just more shit. RIP coh
Release an unfinished game at a premium price then charge the fans for them to (still not) complete it with unfinished work to bring it to v.1 masquerading as an expansion, and a lacklustre one at that! Maybe in 3 years time the game will be finished and be worth picking up in a Steam sale, currently, hard pass! Who decided it was a good idea for Relic to adopt the Bethesda business model?
Seems on par for how lackluster CoH 3 has been. Idk if Sega just trying to have Relic salvage and milk as mcuh as possible, but releasing an Xpac during current state of the game is pretty crige in my opinion. There is a lot to be done BEFORE releasing an Xpac.
I'm still play coh2 and have no plans on getting coh3 as it's a filthy corpo cahs grab
Too little too late seems to be right….but I really hope I’m wrong
well what can you say i wasnt expecting much given that todays gaming is full of disappointments. to even call this an expanison is a complete joke lol
Thb ive erned a lot more merit then 10k
The Cohpium has ran out.
relic died years ago !
Given that AoE4 gets full expanison and CoH3 gets pice meal dlc that is more expensive yeagh it shows where lelics priorities are aka where money is so yeagh CoH3 is ded time to let go of sunken cost falacy.
Meh still not buying the game untill it's 9,99 $ on Steam....
at this point i m waiting for the cracked version ... i wanna have my money back in a way or in the other
dead game
You think coh3 is struggling to generate revenue to add anything new given the state they released it I don't think that the turn-based suited coh3 and put players off given that coh has never been a turned-based game and aoe4 just kept it as simple and original as before I liked how they pushed the boundaries but in the end it hasn't worked for them.
More than 11 years later and...... still trash. I don't expect anything else from a dev studio located in Vancouver where everyone is badly underpaid.
coh3 dies the day they banned potatoScav from forum
The best numbers coh2 had was when they gave the thing away. Other than that the player count was nothing phenomenal. Coh3 is no different. Suck it up and try to enjoy the game or just play something else for god sake.
LOL elpern crying about this update hahaha if you dont like dont play it simple , bye !!!😂😂
It was a half-baked game from the start. Garbage.