I love that you and your father have the courage and conviction to expose these guys who are teaching false doctrine and have a huge influence over the people! Thanks 🙏.. Gwendolyn Thomas here ❤
I attended a Presbyterian Church when younger, never heard predestination or any other Calvinist doctrine preached, but I did some research on the basic beliefs for myself and could only conclude it was unbiblical and soon left. They avoid the controversial beliefs by focusing on "the greatness of GOD". Of course our God is Great and greatly to be praised and respected, but that is just used as their smoke screen to cover their personal condemnation of everyone else.
When I read the way Calvin, Luther and the Reformers slaughtered those who did not accept their teachings such as Anabaptists who refused to Baptize infants. I see that what is important to the Reformers is NOT Christ's love and His desire to save as many as will believe but COERCING people to believe Reformed teachings
Commanding men to repent while withholding their ability to do it is unjust, and nonsense to a Muslim. It does to me too. The transference mechanism between one generation and another is FEDERAL HEADSHIP. However, this central principle is never mentioned in scripture. In fact, God Himself denies it: 19 Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is JUST AND RIGHT, carefully observing all My statutes, HE WILL SURELY LIVE. 20 The SOUL WHO SINS is the one who WILL DIE. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him. 21 But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.… (Ezekiel 18:19-21) Because people have the ABILITY TO CHOOSE they will be held accountable for what they do.
John 3:16 - kills moral inability: "Whosoever". Well, it's not really "whosoever", is it? It's just the randomly select class called the elect. John 3:16 - God does not love the whole world, but only the randomly select class called the elect. John 3:18 hinges salvation upon belief, but it does not say that men do not have the ability to believe. Also, the Calvinist view says that a person might be elect, but not be a believer. If salvation relied on belief then Romans 9:16 would be cancelled. John 3:19 - Men loved darkness. It does not say that they were born with a nature that forced him to love darkness. Paul said in Romans 7:15 that he still did the things that he hated. Well, some men would do the same as Paul, but they would be ok with it - they loved it. John 3:20 - men do not come to light because they don't want to repent. Is that impossibly stated with free-will in the equation? Connect John 3:20 to James 1:13-14 and you have your answer - Free will.
@@calebrobertson9589 I’m willing to take this discussion further over live if you’d like. I’d be able to help you better represent the position of Calvinism. Consistent historical Calvinism doesn’t say we don’t have the ability to believe at all. We possess natural faculties that cause us to believe. Man believes in all sorts of things. False Gods and the like. Man has intellect and mental faculties which allow him to understand and process scripture. However, according to scripture, man does not want to love God. We could love God if we wanted to, but we don’t want to. Hence the scripture that says, “we love because he first loved us.” We can talk further on outward commands and how God reveals his prescriptive will to us if you’d like. But you can’t read that scripture any differently than how it’s posed. Man does not love the light, he loves his darkness. This poses an inherent moral deficit within man that you have to acknowledge. I can show you why “free will” is logically impossible unless you affirm a form of Deism.
@@calebrobertson9589 Not sure if my earlier response went through, I typed quite a bit, not too much but a decent amount. But I won’t be doing that again if my post didn’t get through. Regardless, Calvinism, consistent Calvinism, does not argue that man does not have the ability to love God at all. We argue that man most certainly has the ability to love God and come to him, but that John 3:19-20 states he doesn’t want to. Hence why we mention man’s MORAL inability not NATURAL inability. Due to the sin nature man inherited from Adam, he cannot come to God on his own because he loves his sin/darkness too much. Man has the ability to love as the scripture clearly states, man has the natural mental faculties to understand God, they simply do not want to. Free will is logically impossible unless you’re willing to affirm a form of deism. I can help you to understand Calvinism and present it in a much better fashion for you so that going forward you can at least stop the straw mans.
@@calebrobertson9589 You clearly have no comprehension of what Calvinism teaches, and your man made traditions blind you to the fact that the Bible plainly upholds the doctrines of grace. I challenge you to a debate on the topic of Calvinism
@@timschaertel159 - If I have no comprehension of Calvinism is it not because God preordained me to be blind? If God preordained me to be blind then what good would it do for you to debate me?
@@calebrobertson9589 That statement alone shows you do not understand the doctrines of grace or what is called Calvinism. Before you mock and critisize something, you should seek to understand it, especially when comes to the Word of God. Do you accept the debate challenge?
I love that you and your father have the courage and conviction to expose these guys who are teaching false doctrine and have a huge influence over the people! Thanks 🙏.. Gwendolyn Thomas here ❤
I love that you and your father have the courage and conviction to expose these guys who are teaching false doctrine and have a huge influence over the people! Thanks 🙏.. Gwendolyn Thomas here ❤
Thank You for exposing those devils
Calvinists and other denominational sectarians reject the teaching of God's word to uphold their traditions and corrupt doctrines! (Matthew 15:1-14)
I attended a Presbyterian Church when younger, never heard predestination or any other Calvinist doctrine preached, but I did some research on the basic beliefs for myself and could only conclude it was unbiblical and soon left. They avoid the controversial beliefs by focusing on "the greatness of GOD". Of course our God is Great and greatly to be praised and respected, but that is just used as their smoke screen to cover their personal condemnation of everyone else.
When I read the way Calvin, Luther and the Reformers slaughtered those who did not accept their teachings such as Anabaptists who refused to Baptize infants. I see that what is important to the Reformers is NOT Christ's love and His desire to save as many as will believe but COERCING people to believe Reformed teachings
Wow!
Commanding men to repent while withholding their ability to do it is unjust, and nonsense to a Muslim. It does to me too. The transference mechanism between one generation and another is FEDERAL HEADSHIP. However, this central principle is never mentioned in scripture. In fact, God Himself denies it:
19 Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is JUST AND RIGHT, carefully observing all My statutes, HE WILL SURELY LIVE. 20 The SOUL WHO SINS is the one who WILL DIE. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him. 21 But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.…
(Ezekiel 18:19-21)
Because people have the ABILITY TO CHOOSE they will be held accountable for what they do.
Caleb, what do you do with the scripture in John 3:16-20 if you don’t believe in moral inability?
My first note is did you watch the whole broadcast? How does all of my scripture get thrown out by John 3:16-20?
John 3:16 - kills moral inability: "Whosoever". Well, it's not really "whosoever", is it? It's just the randomly select class called the elect.
John 3:16 - God does not love the whole world, but only the randomly select class called the elect.
John 3:18 hinges salvation upon belief, but it does not say that men do not have the ability to believe. Also, the Calvinist view says that a person might be elect, but not be a believer. If salvation relied on belief then Romans 9:16 would be cancelled.
John 3:19 - Men loved darkness. It does not say that they were born with a nature that forced him to love darkness. Paul said in Romans 7:15 that he still did the things that he hated. Well, some men would do the same as Paul, but they would be ok with it - they loved it.
John 3:20 - men do not come to light because they don't want to repent. Is that impossibly stated with free-will in the equation? Connect John 3:20 to James 1:13-14 and you have your answer - Free will.
@@calebrobertson9589 I’m willing to take this discussion further over live if you’d like. I’d be able to help you better represent the position of Calvinism.
Consistent historical Calvinism doesn’t say we don’t have the ability to believe at all. We possess natural faculties that cause us to believe. Man believes in all sorts of things. False Gods and the like. Man has intellect and mental faculties which allow him to understand and process scripture. However, according to scripture, man does not want to love God. We could love God if we wanted to, but we don’t want to. Hence the scripture that says, “we love because he first loved us.”
We can talk further on outward commands and how God reveals his prescriptive will to us if you’d like. But you can’t read that scripture any differently than how it’s posed. Man does not love the light, he loves his darkness. This poses an inherent moral deficit within man that you have to acknowledge. I can show you why “free will” is logically impossible unless you affirm a form of Deism.
@@calebrobertson9589 Not sure if my earlier response went through, I typed quite a bit, not too much but a decent amount. But I won’t be doing that again if my post didn’t get through. Regardless, Calvinism, consistent Calvinism, does not argue that man does not have the ability to love God at all. We argue that man most certainly has the ability to love God and come to him, but that John 3:19-20 states he doesn’t want to. Hence why we mention man’s MORAL inability not NATURAL inability. Due to the sin nature man inherited from Adam, he cannot come to God on his own because he loves his sin/darkness too much. Man has the ability to love as the scripture clearly states, man has the natural mental faculties to understand God, they simply do not want to. Free will is logically impossible unless you’re willing to affirm a form of deism. I can help you to understand Calvinism and present it in a much better fashion for you so that going forward you can at least stop the straw mans.
You are clueless
Clueless how? I had the quotes from 1689 Confession all the way through and nothing that Voddie said matched with his creed.
@@calebrobertson9589 You clearly have no comprehension of what Calvinism teaches, and your man made traditions blind you to the fact that the Bible plainly upholds the doctrines of grace. I challenge you to a debate on the topic of Calvinism
@@timschaertel159 - If I have no comprehension of Calvinism is it not because God preordained me to be blind? If God preordained me to be blind then what good would it do for you to debate me?
@@calebrobertson9589 That statement alone shows you do not understand the doctrines of grace or what is called Calvinism. Before you mock and critisize something, you should seek to understand it, especially when comes to the Word of God. Do you accept the debate challenge?
I love that you and your father have the courage and conviction to expose these guys who are teaching false doctrine and have a huge influence over the people! Thanks 🙏.. Gwendolyn Thomas here ❤