Canibus and the Roots with okayplayer is some of the earliest rap artists I remember taking the internet serious and a few mainstream niggas even dissed folks about being "internet rappers" back then, which is yet another reason why I'll never respect industry rappers in the truest sense...
Canibus has written some of the most advanced I have ever heard. Most know him for his early stuff from the 90's, but the dude has moving heavy machinery in the lyrics game. He did an infinite rhyme scheme and that alone should be enough for him to be mentioned amongst the greats. I dont know about him personal life etc, but I was a huge fan. He has some of the most fun and complex bars to listen too, period.
@@ricardovazquez145 rap has only gotten dumber since the 90s... The lyrica are still legendary. The lyrics still cause awe. Plus my comment was refering to the music he made after the limelight.
@@chandlerscaringia5260 Kendrick Lamar, j Cole , Joyner Lucas , everyone signed to strange music , Eminem has also evolved n became way more complex. If u guys Wana learn I'm here for u
Get it from the source. Wyclef sound like he don't know what happened with Canibus but that's your little brother? I know more about Canibus than Clef... When I met him at Iconz in Virginia I asked him about some of this... Shared some of my thoughts. Clef timeline has Canibus joining the military after the album, he put out 3 more albums before he did that. 2000 BC, Hollywood Stories and Mic Club. You should a asked Wyclef why would you go to Easy Mo Bee AFTER failing to do what Canibus trusted him to do in the first place? Why not go to Moe Bee first since Bis was already working with him with Group Home? I hope you asked him why he thought he could do more for Bis than Group Home and Charles Suit was already doing for him. Nothing Wyclef did for Canibus adds to his legend except 2nd Round Knockout, Canibus lost his footing when he left Cheeks and them and started fucking with Clef and Booga Basement. Everything we loved Canibus for came from his association with Lost Boyz... All his classic verses came from what Charles Suit and Lost Boyz lined him up with. Beast From The East, Music Makes Me High, Boys To Men, the Brian McKnight, firm, 3LW features, the Bullworth and Bamboozled soundtracks, all those mixtape and radio station freestyles, the Making our Name For Ourselves shit with Common and Desperados with The Firm & Dr Dre, 4,3,2,1 with LL and Some Shit with Keith Murray and Eric Sermon, Scarface's with Big Pun and Tragedy Khadafi all was from Charles Suit and Group Home making moves and putting Canibus everywhere. His rocketship crescendod the moment the Lost Boyz disconnect began. He had a sound, Bink Dog and the other Lost Boyz producers had him on fire beats and had his buzz crazy in the streets, every freestyle was like an actual song with this dude, every guest appearance was an event. Imagine if Bink and Tim Dog and Easy Moe Bee and Pete Rock, all who did Lost Boyz album did Canibus first album too like they was supposed to and kept it Group Home and within the label. Someone dropped the ball. Why is everyone but the new guy in Group Home using the labels producers and assets? Why did Clef take Canibus from his system that had been working for him up until that point? Who thought Canibus would sound better on Fugee beats vs Lost Boyz beats? You can't fail with the alley oop that Charles Suit gave Wyclef... They told him to throw a rock into the ocean and he was standing on the beach and missed. You have to take some of that responsibility. You made The Score and Blunted On Reality... Had a hand in Laurens album, you got this kid that's got a crazy buzz, arguably he and X had the biggest buzz since Nas and you know this, you hear the freestyles and features everywhere. How you put together a half ass album for him? How you go from How We Roll and Music Makes Me High to Hypenitis and Nigganometry? And now you look back and say he should a trusted you a second time? His label mates just dropped a classic with Legal Drug Money with Big Dex, Moe Bee, Bink, Tim Dawg & Pete Rock on the production, classic, you get Canibus and produce a mediocre first album? Pun and X also drop at the same time and drop classics their first go? How you fail when these other first timers didn't? Wyclef failed Canibus. To this day I don't know why Cheeks and Suit let Wyclef within 10 miles of Bis project. People wanted bars over what we was hearing him on already. Those Renee, Lifestyles of The Rich and Shameless type beats. Group Home was giving those beats to Lost Boyz, McGruff, A+ and others and those beats were what we wanted Bis on. Bink made bangers, bangers like My Crew and Beast From The East... Canibus needed Bink, Mr Sexxx, Moe Bee, Pete Rock, Big Dex, Clue & Duro, Clark Kent, dudes who was producing for him and his labelmates up til that point. Get Canibus on here bro to tell it, please... This lackadaisical, low energy answer to your question ain't cutting it. "You mad at the first album, I apologize for it, yo I can't call it kid muthafuckin Wyclef spoiled it" - Canibus
This is the most epic response ever! You've obviously been following Bis career just as long as me because what Clef said was garbage. Bis put out an interview not too long ago where he addressed his apprehension to the internet and other things, it was great to hear from him directly. His music he's dropped the last couple of years hasn't been good in my opinion but Canibus said the following thing in the interview... Paraphrasing.... "Back then my rhymes were like a fisherman's net. You run the net through the water and pick it up, then you ring out the empty net and the water droplets that you'd get were the rhymes i was able to catch and put on paper or on my computer." It was fascinating. In my opinion he pushed lyricism to heights and extremes that have hardly been touched again. His reign from 97 to say 2003 is unmatched. Minus true Hollywood stories he's put out the most lyrical comprehensive body of work I've ever seen. 2000BC, MicClub, Rip The Jacker are masterful! And although the culture didn't like his first album, true hip hop fans of lyrics should be able to go back and realize they were wrong if they play it again, even today. Oh, and Poet Laureate II in 03 is the reason we got a Black Thought freestyle a few years ago and I still think Canibus wordplay was better intellectually.
Exactly, just sideways hatred and trying to plug himself and his "legendary lyrical status",. All BS and this is exactly what fat joe does as well, DISGUSTING and delusional.
Canibus had the streets on fire leading up to that first album. Every feature and freestyle was the talk of the town in hip-hop circles. Smoked LL in that battle too IMO. It’s a shame he could never fully capitalize on all the buzz. The good thing is, he’s got a loyal fan base that holds him down til this day so glad for the homie.
We kno da story... wyclef&LL got down wit those ppl(they sacrifice w.e they sacrifice) so they will always have da advantage... Ll could of battle anybody at that time..Trust..they careers would of been toilet bowl as well
96-03 Canibus undoubtedly one of the illest primes of any 👽MC EVER! His debut was disappointment but still has some heat on it and imo his 3 best albums were (all dope and in any order really) Rip The Jacker 2000 B.C Mic Club If he had more albums like those 3 I’d rank him higher on my all time list but he’s still among the nicest all time at his best along with G-Rap, Rakim, Kane, Nas, Big Pun, Jay, Big, Pac, Eminem, Big L, Black Thought, Pharoahe Monch, Common, Elzhi, Royce, Ransom, Cambatta, Locksmith, Crooked, ChinoXL, Lupe, Tonedeff, Diabolic, Aesop Rock, Treach, KRS, Masta Ace, AZ, Redman, Method Man, GZA, INS, R.A., Ras Kass, Apathy, Sean Price, Rockness Monatah, Aceyalone, Louis Logic, Skyzoo, Percee-P, Twista, Gift of Gab, RJ Payne, Phonte, Benny, Conway, Ice Cube, Brother Ali, King Los, LL, Jean Grae, 38 Spesh, Outkast, Deacon The Villain (Cunninlynguists), Grip, Mickey Factz, Sa-Roc, Che Noir, OneBeLo, Lord Finesse, Nick Grant, Possessed (of Rhyme Asylum), Mos Def, Talib, Krayzie & Bizzy, Nino Bless, Cam, DMX, Wise Intelligent, just to name a few of my favorite MCs.
@@themanman4391 appreciate it man! Huge passionate HipHop head since 1993/94 and I love digging for slept on jewels and underground legends who are criminally under known! Those def 2 of the illest ever especially the last 10-15 years.
@aryan raina ehhh he’s underrated but most know him I feel. Most don’t know Locksmith, Aceyalone, Myka 9, Gift of Gab, KXNG Crooked, Charli 2na, Heiro crew just to name a few.
The Canibus album that Clef produced is fire. I still listen to it till this day. I don't know what caused the negative review it received when it first came out. It similar to the reception that Nastradamus had in its release. The fans looked down on it and deemed it mediocre. I personally think both albums highly under appreciated.
A lot of people (same as the Nastradamus LP) didn’t like the commercial approach Clef took with the production but I think his intention was to show Canibus’ range to put him on par with guys like Nas, Jay, X, Pun, etc. out at the same time. The intention was in the right place but in hindsight the smarter move would’ve been to go specifically for the hardcore fan base with the execution of that project...
@@dawb86 I can see why that may have been the reason why it backfired, but in terms of sales, commercial tends to trump its opposition. So In that sense I understand why Clef thought it would work to approach the Album from a commercial point of view while still keep the lyrical integrity in it that Canibus was known for.
That album was damn near perfect production wise and lyrically still play joints from it till this day i think Canibus started to decline when he did that move on the mtv awards painted himself silver just came off corny back then the slightest thing could ruin you
My favorite Bis project. He was dope on stoupe beats. And the crazy part is. He just took his vocals and put them on the beats. Canibus didn't even hear them or lay his vocals on them
@@Mattityahu_Sol7 I heard the same thing, that he crafted the beats around the vocals, excellent project, had me digging into Jedi Mind Tricks discography
@@superdopehiphop yeah I always felt like people who rode him so hard over the Dizaster battle didn’t fully appreciate how deep his musical catalogue is. He’s so much more.
Math Said He's A Dope Lyricist But Give It Up Guys However.... What He Released After His Second Album Will Always Stand The Test Of Time "Rip The Jacker" Also He Has The New Four Horsemen Album Out So Even If He's Done At least We Have Bodies Of Work Like "Melatonin Magik" "C For Tranquility" "Hip Hop 4 Sale" Etc.... Peace To Canibus....
Rip the hacker had some crazy verses. His problem was ego and saying he had penned the dopest bars ever and had them ready 😂 after his battle rap meltdown the new generation couldn’t look past that. Sad cos he had mad talent but a lesson for all rappers trying to cement their place
Wyclef wanted to commercialize canibus when he wasn't no commercial rapper..he was a lyricist who was way tf ahead of his time...canibus+100bars=🔥🔥 had classics like Buckingham palace..watch who you beef with..canibus 2000bc🔥🔥🔥2nd round knockout was a Banga as well
The fact that math can tap in with all shapes and form of entertainers is amazing , shows his diversity to topic and the culture . Always lookin forward to Who is on next .. ps i, here from battle rap days
I'll never forget first time I heard Cannibis, was on Lost Boyz' "Music Makes Me High" remix, was like, "who is this dude?" Hopefully Wyclef could still make that Em - Cannibus collabo happen, would be hella dope.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I don’t care about his freestyle mess up. Can-I-bus was the epitome of the highest caliber rap lyricist. Math: love this content lately 💯
@@GeneralBuckNaked nigga you smokin... while pun is one of the best to ever do it with his flow as word play he has never spit the shit that canibus spit during his prime... canibus was leap years ahead of the next best mc.
You mean to blow up and no, he ain’t that either lol. It’s dudes on the underground to this day that got infinitely better rhymes than 95% of the dudes signed to major labels right now that most people will never hear of because nobody co-signed them and they didn’t pay for play...
@@jjmuse75 What I mean is Canibus ain't in the category of "didn't make it." If anything, he's more so one who's career didn't live up to its full potential. I was referring to a lot of those guys who never even got the recognition/hype Canibus got at all...
@@dawb86 When you say this day you mean now. But back then there was no others like Canibus , he was the greatest then. And a lot of those rappers that you talk about today are definitely most likely influenced by him.
@@dajhedi yea a lot of ppl like to choose or hate on the other but I personally love Canibus and Eminem on their A game! I saw MJ & LeBron live 50 times each also and love both of them. Ppl love to pit two greats against each other and hate on others to build up the other but unless I think someone is massively overrated I will never do that!
Canibus needs to come on this and get more exposure man. His music is the absolute ELITE standard for real hip-hop, he gets on any track and annihilates the track and the other artist barely sounds as good. He needs to get the exposure he deserves man. C'mon Maph put in that work
LL said in back where I belong that him and wyclef got together to set him up. Canibus is still nice till this day. With that being said the same people who talk bad about canibus will praise Eminem. Eminem not better than Canibus and when they were going back and forth lyrically canibus destroyed him on Dr chpd.
The God with yellow hoodie (pardon I don’t know his name) needs to be permanently on this podcast! The God is essential! Also, OG who roc’s the tinted lenses needs to be permanent. Salute Math!
Not to mention his collaborations with Mary J Blige, Carlos Santana and others. Canibus ft. Wyclef Jean - How Come. One of my most favorite songs from both of those brothers. Salute
Canibus was so ahead of his time he leapfrogged himself. Built so much buzz with freestyles and songs with other rappers, once you take away the other rappers something is just naturally missing in the momentum of the songs. Came out around the time of Aquemini, Vol. 2, in the aftermath of Capital Punishment by Big Pun who could really do both hardcore and commercial effortlessly. Canibus has no effortlessness it’s kinda like the Knicks last year, go hard all regular season can’t have another gear to go to in the playoffs. Songs like nigganometry and I honor u are dope in their own way, shows versatility. 2nd round KO was just shortsighted, LL is nothing to play with regardless and of course had the versatility to run circles around bus. 2000 BC was cool, the Stan album is just off the wall and beyond that it’s hard to even circle back on that.
canibus is one of the best to ever do it and a beast on the mic. would love to hear more from him and hrsmn (canibus, kurupt, ras kass and killah priest) as well as his ciphers with k-rino they both mad underrated
That first album is a CLASSICK if you listen to it ACAPELLA 😂😂. The lyrics, wordplay, concepts and metaphors were way ahead of it’s time. CANIBUS was mismanaged and CLEF and JERRY WONDA ain’t hit him with the aggressive beats he needed. CLEF gave him beats that he could rock on and not what CANIBUS needed. But it’s all good, BIS been doing his thing since then, still a legend and he will be coming out with another album December 18th.
People can front all they want......that little nigga canibus was the nicest nigga with bars when he 1st dropped.....he forced the whole industry to pick there game up.....
Good segment 👍 My OG layman's opinion on Canibus... Canibus didn't move a lotta units simply because his style doesn't move a lotta people. That underground, hard-core, punchline, rappidy rap stuff almost NEVER goes over well. People (in general) don't wanna party to that👎👎 Straight up 🤷♂️ For example... BIG is my all time favorite MC 🙌 However, if he'd never gotten with Puff, it's *highly probable* that he would never have blown up. Puff has an intrinsic understanding of what moves party people. "Machine Gun Funk" was dope for the hard-core heads👍 But "One More Chance" and "Big Poppa" (Puff's suggestions) are what pierced people's souls 🎯💯 Bottom line is that if you're not focused on making people feel good, then you'll probably be underground forever. Just something to consider 💡
In terms of sales...You're absolutely correct, but everyone doesn't want to party. There is a mass of hip-hop enthusiasts that want to hear that gritty bom-bap...and Bis was King for a moment. Even the great Nasir excused himself off a remix of his own joint that featured Canibus. That says ALOT!!!
@@Ariusfiveduece Greetings, from The Bay Area ✌ I understand where you're coming from...I do👍 But let's face facts: that boom bap market is 🤏marginal 🤷♂️. It's a thing tho, nonetheless; I hear you✊ However, with regards to people as a whole and partying... Let's remember that *party people are the foundation of hip-hop culture* ...hell, of the recording industry in general. Hip hop *literally* sprang forth from a party inside a Bronx recreation room, with Herc spinning records that moved folks souls 💯 As such, it's safe to assume that *most folks* who enjoy music (rap music in particular) also enjoy partying and having a good time🤘 The Canibus/Nas situation may say a lot to you...but I think it says *even more* that he went & joined the military afterwards 🤷♂️ Critical acclaim from lyric purists simply doesn't pay the bills, Boss. If your art doesn't resonate with the public, then you'll end up a starving/struggling artist... With that being said, I think that the battle realm is an excellent place for these guys👍 There's a market for it. Although, most people don't wanna listen to dudes angrily yelling back & forth about killing each other..it is what it is 🤷♂️😄
@@thinkforward8752 well Canibus doesn’t really rap like that anymore. He says it himself. He’s not the same dude. His style changed after the military. He evolved into what he is now with his loyal fan base. Not everyone is cut out to sell a lot or making party music (which he has). It’s just not his thing. Doesn’t mean he can’t.
@@7Kingsmen For sure👍 Everyone's not gonna have those endearing "it factor" qualities. As long as you can find a way to make a living from your art tho, that's all that matters when all's said & done...I can get with that✊
One of the greatest Lyricist of all time made a couple of mistakes and got blackballed some people laugh at his Persona some people praised his skills you listen for yourself and decide
In hindsight that album isn’t bad for his overall body of work, but when it dropped it was considered ass compared to what we the fans expected. To me that ended up being his best album of the bunch.
Everybody’s first album is not gonna be a classic - Mobb Deep can attest to this ! Juvenile Hell had no way near the impact The Infamous had- Hell most people don’t even know Mobb Deep had an album before The Infamous!✅
I also came here after watching 'Bis say his peace and yes I understand it all now. The mutual respect is ever so apparent how the two speak on each other.
Shout outs to the comment section! Its pretty got damn unanimous Can-I-Bus gets love, respect and reverence despite what narrative is pushed out there. Peace.
True story: in college i met this chick that didnt go to my school but lived in the area. I let her borrow mu Canibus cd. This biotch never gave it back after we stopped talking. I eventually got it back but she had put super glue all over it. I got nail polish remover and somehow got it off and it still works to this day. 22 years later
Why didn’t Clef reach out to Dre after hearing Canibus on “Desperados” and The Firm album? Those beats were dope & perfect for Bis to go ape sh*t 🤦🏽♂️
Please do one of these interviews with Canibus! To me, Canibus IS "the GOAT" lyricist. If you base it on his lyrical skill, who's actually BETTER than Canibus?
I say this also about CANIBUS he is a past human being , a present human being and a future human being all in one. The guy is outta this world half man half Amazing 👏 There will never be another CANIBUS salute my brother 🙏
I just wish Preemo would've reached out, and 9th was around then..hell even early Yeezy or Rza. Imagine Bis with a track like "Incarcerated Scarfaces"💥🤯💨 I respect Clef, but imo...he was the wrong producer for a talent like Canibus..
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Honestly, that is kind of a weak beat in my opinion. I mean I back canibus in his decision to reject that beat. He could of sent him better than that.
I met Canibus in early 2000’s in LA at the Mondrian. You know you know. He was there with some uppity arrogant kat from Wyclef’s camp and I was coolin waiting for traffic to pass. Place was somewhat empty. We got to talking and I called him Canibus and he said brother I’m Steve. He told me he was going to the military then. Cool kat, real folks!
Canibus was and still is a dope MC. I just think he miscalculated in the LL and Diz situation. I innerstood his hunger, but LL and Diz are seasoned veterans at their individual crafts. I think if he would of covered more ground in those situations in terms of learning and gaining experience, the outcomes might of been different.
Bro he ate LL ass up early LL needed like 5 minutes to say well you said this well this and let’s think of this weak ass bar LL( well you said 99 percent of my fans don’t exist, well 99 percent of your fans don’t exist). Corny corny he was blackballed his bars was on a whole other level the way he articulated shit with big words at such a young age. The only issue I ca tell by looking at the freestyle he did with DMX, Pun and mic Geronimo, etc was he forget his rhymes. Listen to the freestyle with him Nore and DMX timeless
@@Cramz looking back at it Can might of had the better bars, but he didn’t have the time in. If Can would of just focused on his music, and got some platinum or Gold albums under his belt, his diss would of hit harder. That battle would of made more sense. Either that or LL’s response wouldn’t of hurt him as bad. It was brand damaging because of Can’s position in the industry at that time. L had already had 10 to 15 years in at that time. If anything Canibus vs Dizaster showed us why experience matters.
@@Klasik489 it wasn't the diss that hurt Bis. It was his business decisions after it all that did. He fired Cleft, got signed to Universal, and then left them to go independent and put purposely put out a third trash album.. his battle with LL is 50/50..
The album was dope. I lost respect for Can-I-Bus when he tried to blame Wyclef for people's reaction to the album on some, "It aint my fault, Wyclef picked all the beats. I don't know how to pick beats." As an Emcee, you gotta' know how to pick a beat and you gotta' NOT blame a producer for your failures.
Back in the dayz when I was Young....I saw Wyclef at House of Blues in LA with his Acoustic Guitarist singing " No Woman no Cry".....then did "Nappy Heads" with the Fugees.....this man know the game....and they opened for Public Enemy.......!!!!!..Also....chillin in the cut was Kool Moe D...what a night....I want that old thang Back..
Wyclef rambled and rambled and rambled and didnt even get into why him and Canibus didnt work out…danced around it because the STREETS KNOW WYCLEF BEATS were why nobody fucked with that first album. Bus got busy as always back then…but those tracks did not fit what he was doing. 2nd Round KO was a classic tho.
Kind of sounds like he’s implying that Canibus doesn’t want to rhyme anymore so if you were wondering about him or waiting to hear something new from him then…..give it up.
@@jjmuse75 Canibus quiting rhyming is never gonna happen. Dude never stopped rhyming, dude lives and breathes rhymes still. What he is saying is that he couldnt get Canibus on the show and probably that he is a little off. Im a big canibus fan but he has seemed to be struggling mentally at times.
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Canibus had me buying albums just because he had a feature verse on it! He is one of the dopest ever! If you love lyricism you can’t deny dude
Facts I would’ve never bought Lost Boys album of it wasn’t for him
I did the same with Eminem lol. Canibus doesn't get enough respect
@@ReMarkable1221 I always wished them two would have did a song together. Both of them are in my top 5
2nd round knockout
Word son!
We need Canibus to come up & speak for himself because when I first heard him, he was one of the nicest MCs I had ever heard.
Nah thats a fact. Late 90s he was killing every freestyle.
@@mrbasketball34 agreed most definitely 💯💯 he killed shit back in the 90’s
Word. It was the illest shyt I've ever heard at that time.
Facts on that
Brotha was waaaay ahead of his time
With multis, metaphorical structure and perfectly timed punches.
Canibus was a head of time. I do remember he made that website to give fans an update of his music and a forum for people to talk about music.
Fam what year was that? I remember he had something around 02’
@@DC-xp4bl it was around when he dropped the first Eminem diss.
Canibus and the Roots with okayplayer is some of the earliest rap artists I remember taking the internet serious and a few mainstream niggas even dissed folks about being "internet rappers" back then, which is yet another reason why I'll never respect industry rappers in the truest sense...
Canibus was definitely ahead of time. I agree💯
@@dawb86 factz, I remember that too. Net zero days lmao
Canibus has written some of the most advanced I have ever heard. Most know him for his early stuff from the 90's, but the dude has moving heavy machinery in the lyrics game. He did an infinite rhyme scheme and that alone should be enough for him to be mentioned amongst the greats. I dont know about him personal life etc, but I was a huge fan. He has some of the most fun and complex bars to listen too, period.
It's 2021 wake the fuck up. Those rhymes were advanced back then.
Like everything else in life things have advanced.
Genius respect genius, haters hate greatness
@@ricardovazquez145 I don't know what in the hell you're talking about. Shite is not complex today.
@@ricardovazquez145 rap has only gotten dumber since the 90s... The lyrica are still legendary. The lyrics still cause awe. Plus my comment was refering to the music he made after the limelight.
@@chandlerscaringia5260 Kendrick Lamar, j Cole , Joyner Lucas , everyone signed to strange music , Eminem has also evolved n became way more complex.
If u guys Wana learn I'm here for u
Canibus has some of the greatest verses I ever heard. He scared every emcee with a pen.
96-03 Canibus incredible 👽MC for sure!
Including Eminem
TRUTH SPOKEN!!!!!!
U mean he was scared of Em & LL😂
@@markmercado89 in reverse 🤷🏾♂️
Canibus needed beats from Dj premier, pete Rock, havoc etc
@alexander harvey bro have you heard some of those legendary freestyles over those beat fire!!!!!
He has a song using Priemer beat.
He had a beat from Premier pitched on his debut album. Canibus declined it. Premier then let D'Angelo use it for his song "Devils pie"
@@tyjusto9351 oooh word?! Damn that beat is fire!
Golden Terra of Rap is the song name of the beat he used from DJ Premiere @Mark Ukpokolo
Bis one of my GOATs. He has an underrated discography
Imo his 3 best albums were his 2000/02/03 albums. Agreed?
@@superdopehiphop my picks are rip the jacker, lyrical law, melatonin magik
@@thecunninlynguist go back and peep 2000 BC & Mic Club again. Both 🔥
@@superdopehiphop i'm aware of his discography. but the 3 i named are probably my most replayed
He’s heavy overseas though
Get it from the source. Wyclef sound like he don't know what happened with Canibus but that's your little brother? I know more about Canibus than Clef... When I met him at Iconz in Virginia I asked him about some of this... Shared some of my thoughts. Clef timeline has Canibus joining the military after the album, he put out 3 more albums before he did that. 2000 BC, Hollywood Stories and Mic Club. You should a asked Wyclef why would you go to Easy Mo Bee AFTER failing to do what Canibus trusted him to do in the first place? Why not go to Moe Bee first since Bis was already working with him with Group Home? I hope you asked him why he thought he could do more for Bis than Group Home and Charles Suit was already doing for him. Nothing Wyclef did for Canibus adds to his legend except 2nd Round Knockout, Canibus lost his footing when he left Cheeks and them and started fucking with Clef and Booga Basement.
Everything we loved Canibus for came from his association with Lost Boyz... All his classic verses came from what Charles Suit and Lost Boyz lined him up with. Beast From The East, Music Makes Me High, Boys To Men, the Brian McKnight, firm, 3LW features, the Bullworth and Bamboozled soundtracks, all those mixtape and radio station freestyles, the Making our Name For Ourselves shit with Common and Desperados with The Firm & Dr Dre, 4,3,2,1 with LL and Some Shit with Keith Murray and Eric Sermon, Scarface's with Big Pun and Tragedy Khadafi all was from Charles Suit and Group Home making moves and putting Canibus everywhere. His rocketship crescendod the moment the Lost Boyz disconnect began.
He had a sound, Bink Dog and the other Lost Boyz producers had him on fire beats and had his buzz crazy in the streets, every freestyle was like an actual song with this dude, every guest appearance was an event. Imagine if Bink and Tim Dog and Easy Moe Bee and Pete Rock, all who did Lost Boyz album did Canibus first album too like they was supposed to and kept it Group Home and within the label. Someone dropped the ball. Why is everyone but the new guy in Group Home using the labels producers and assets? Why did Clef take Canibus from his system that had been working for him up until that point? Who thought Canibus would sound better on Fugee beats vs Lost Boyz beats?
You can't fail with the alley oop that Charles Suit gave Wyclef... They told him to throw a rock into the ocean and he was standing on the beach and missed. You have to take some of that responsibility. You made The Score and Blunted On Reality... Had a hand in Laurens album, you got this kid that's got a crazy buzz, arguably he and X had the biggest buzz since Nas and you know this, you hear the freestyles and features everywhere. How you put together a half ass album for him? How you go from How We Roll and Music Makes Me High to Hypenitis and Nigganometry? And now you look back and say he should a trusted you a second time? His label mates just dropped a classic with Legal Drug Money with Big Dex, Moe Bee, Bink, Tim Dawg & Pete Rock on the production, classic, you get Canibus and produce a mediocre first album? Pun and X also drop at the same time and drop classics their first go? How you fail when these other first timers didn't? Wyclef failed Canibus.
To this day I don't know why Cheeks and Suit let Wyclef within 10 miles of Bis project. People wanted bars over what we was hearing him on already. Those Renee, Lifestyles of The Rich and Shameless type beats. Group Home was giving those beats to Lost Boyz, McGruff, A+ and others and those beats were what we wanted Bis on. Bink made bangers, bangers like My Crew and Beast From The East... Canibus needed Bink, Mr Sexxx, Moe Bee, Pete Rock, Big Dex, Clue & Duro, Clark Kent, dudes who was producing for him and his labelmates up til that point. Get Canibus on here bro to tell it, please... This lackadaisical, low energy answer to your question ain't cutting it. "You mad at the first album, I apologize for it, yo I can't call it kid muthafuckin Wyclef spoiled it" - Canibus
This!^^^^^
This is the most epic response ever! You've obviously been following Bis career just as long as me because what Clef said was garbage.
Bis put out an interview not too long ago where he addressed his apprehension to the internet and other things, it was great to hear from him directly.
His music he's dropped the last couple of years hasn't been good in my opinion but Canibus said the following thing in the interview...
Paraphrasing.... "Back then my rhymes were like a fisherman's net. You run the net through the water and pick it up, then you ring out the empty net and the water droplets that you'd get were the rhymes i was able to catch and put on paper or on my computer."
It was fascinating.
In my opinion he pushed lyricism to heights and extremes that have hardly been touched again. His reign from 97 to say 2003 is unmatched. Minus true Hollywood stories he's put out the most lyrical comprehensive body of work I've ever seen.
2000BC, MicClub, Rip The Jacker are masterful! And although the culture didn't like his first album, true hip hop fans of lyrics should be able to go back and realize they were wrong if they play it again, even today.
Oh, and Poet Laureate II in 03 is the reason we got a Black Thought freestyle a few years ago and I still think Canibus wordplay was better intellectually.
You could never know more about Canibus than Clef. Never. Just because he don't want to air bro dirty laundry out doesn't mean he don't know. 🙃
Exactly, just sideways hatred and trying to plug himself and his "legendary lyrical status",. All BS and this is exactly what fat joe does as well, DISGUSTING and delusional.
@@ronmatthews Wyclef sucked for canibus
Canibus had the streets on fire leading up to that first album. Every feature and freestyle was the talk of the town in hip-hop circles. Smoked LL in that battle too IMO. It’s a shame he could never fully capitalize on all the buzz. The good thing is, he’s got a loyal fan base that holds him down til this day so glad for the homie.
Canibus hit like an Alien 👽
Facts
Is he the same guy who was like there’s 30 pages of raps in this notebook
@@killnemcold That was about 15 years later. By then he wasn’t the same guy.
@@MrCbwTV he went crazy or something?
WE NEED CAN I BUS TO TELL HIS SIDE OF THE STORY.
FOR REAL!!!
Definitely
We kno da story... wyclef&LL got down wit those ppl(they sacrifice w.e they sacrifice) so they will always have da advantage...
Ll could of battle anybody at that time..Trust..they careers would of been toilet bowl as well
@@brooklynprince8298 same thing happened to chinx and many others.
@@brooklynprince8298 aye yo...... stop smoking crack
Canibus is one of the greatest pure emcee’s of all time no question, his bars will stand the test of time.
He’s corny as fuck
Clef dragged the hell outta the question…I forgot what the hell Math asked after 2 mins into Clef’s answer
Basically didn’t want to say he messed up the sound of the album 🤦🏿♂️
@@Uncle_Kof eggzakly
Hes a bullshit artist, that's why
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nigga was rambling lol
Canibus never left👀 went independent and has made many 🔥🔥🔥 albums 💯✅ his new album Kaiju just dropped December 10th💪✌️🤙
Most Definitely 💯✅ and he’s still 🔥🔥🔥
As a canibus fan back then, we loved the album. There were a few cuts that were out that didn't make the album but it wasn't a bad album.
96-03 Canibus undoubtedly one of the illest primes of any 👽MC EVER! His debut was disappointment but still has some heat on it and imo his 3 best albums were (all dope and in any order really)
Rip The Jacker
2000 B.C
Mic Club
If he had more albums like those 3 I’d rank him higher on my all time list but he’s still among the nicest all time at his best along with G-Rap, Rakim, Kane, Nas, Big Pun, Jay, Big, Pac, Eminem, Big L, Black Thought, Pharoahe Monch, Common, Elzhi, Royce, Ransom, Cambatta, Locksmith, Crooked, ChinoXL, Lupe, Tonedeff, Diabolic, Aesop Rock, Treach, KRS,
Masta Ace, AZ, Redman, Method Man, GZA, INS, R.A., Ras Kass, Apathy, Sean Price, Rockness Monatah, Aceyalone, Louis Logic, Skyzoo, Percee-P, Twista,
Gift of Gab, RJ Payne, Phonte, Benny, Conway,
Ice Cube, Brother Ali, King Los, LL, Jean Grae,
38 Spesh, Outkast, Deacon The Villain (Cunninlynguists), Grip, Mickey Factz, Sa-Roc,
Che Noir, OneBeLo, Lord Finesse, Nick Grant, Possessed (of Rhyme Asylum), Mos Def, Talib, Krayzie & Bizzy, Nino Bless, Cam, DMX,
Wise Intelligent, just to name a few of my favorite MCs.
The fact you got king los and locksmith on this list....major salute 💪🏽💯
@@themanman4391 appreciate it man! Huge passionate HipHop head since 1993/94 and I love digging for slept on jewels and underground legends who are criminally under known! Those def 2 of the illest ever especially the last 10-15 years.
@@superdopehiphop preach!
@aryan raina ehhh he’s underrated but most know him I feel. Most don’t know Locksmith, Aceyalone, Myka 9, Gift of Gab, KXNG Crooked, Charli 2na, Heiro crew just to name a few.
Props for one be lo!
The Canibus album that Clef produced is fire. I still listen to it till this day. I don't know what caused the negative review it received when it first came out. It similar to the reception that Nastradamus had in its release. The fans looked down on it and deemed it mediocre. I personally think both albums highly under appreciated.
A lot of people (same as the Nastradamus LP) didn’t like the commercial approach Clef took with the production but I think his intention was to show Canibus’ range to put him on par with guys like Nas, Jay, X, Pun, etc. out at the same time. The intention was in the right place but in hindsight the smarter move would’ve been to go specifically for the hardcore fan base with the execution of that project...
@@dawb86 I can see why that may have been the reason why it backfired, but in terms of sales, commercial tends to trump its opposition. So In that sense I understand why Clef thought it would work to approach the Album from a commercial point of view while still keep the lyrical integrity in it that Canibus was known for.
That album was damn near perfect production wise and lyrically still play joints from it till this day i think Canibus started to decline when he did that move on the mtv awards painted himself silver just came off corny back then the slightest thing could ruin you
@@basserujalloh9621 🤦🏾♂️
yeah nastradamus is trash still
Math is killing right now after the trag and wiz he gives us this💯🙌
More on the way bro! & We just hit 250k subs!!! 💪🏾
@@Mathhoffa we ready for that Bizzy Bone interview 🙌🏽
@@Mathhoffa bro get bizzy bone on your show
@@Mathhoffa if you're reading this, it's too late ✊🏾💪🏾🙏🏾💯
If you know Hip-Hop you know Canibus..An Elite pen you appreciate as you grow through life and attain more information and knowledge..What a legend!
“Rip the Jacker” album he did with Stoupe from Jedi Mind Tricks all beats was near perfect
My favorite Bis project. He was dope on stoupe beats. And the crazy part is. He just took his vocals and put them on the beats. Canibus didn't even hear them or lay his vocals on them
Yep and Yep
Agreed 🔥. 2000 BC, Mic Club & Rip The Jacker clearly his 3 best albums to me and I play RTJ the most
@@Mattityahu_Sol7 I heard the same thing, that he crafted the beats around the vocals, excellent project, had me digging into Jedi Mind Tricks discography
@@superdopehiphop yeah I always felt like people who rode him so hard over the Dizaster battle didn’t fully appreciate how deep his musical catalogue is. He’s so much more.
Math Said He's A Dope Lyricist But Give It Up Guys However.... What He Released After His Second Album Will Always Stand The Test Of Time "Rip The Jacker" Also He Has The New Four Horsemen Album Out So Even If He's Done At least We Have Bodies Of Work Like "Melatonin Magik" "C For Tranquility" "Hip Hop 4 Sale" Etc.... Peace To Canibus....
Rip the hacker had some crazy verses. His problem was ego and saying he had penned the dopest bars ever and had them ready 😂 after his battle rap meltdown the new generation couldn’t look past that. Sad cos he had mad talent but a lesson for all rappers trying to cement their place
Canibus had a legendary introduction, a legendary album (2000 BC) and a legendary fall from grace.
All Facts
That album sucked but ok 😂
I liked Rip The Jacker
Wyclef wanted to commercialize canibus when he wasn't no commercial rapper..he was a lyricist who was way tf ahead of his time...canibus+100bars=🔥🔥 had classics like Buckingham palace..watch who you beef with..canibus 2000bc🔥🔥🔥2nd round knockout was a Banga as well
,,,from Brixton to Clapham common my lyrics invade Europe like Joseph Stalin..🔥🔥🔥🔥 .. madness 👊🏿
That album was for the streets. Unfortunately it was shinny suit era.
Lyrically the album was amazing, it just wyclef beats was so wack.
@@kalvingleason2536clef beats are fire. Lay off the crack pipe
@@Richking213 then I got to smoke some more, beats were trash.
I was like 20 when his album dropped. My heart dropped.. I couldn't explain the feeling but it was just like 🤦🏽♂️.
You’re a natural at this. The conversations just flow. 🔥🔥🔥
Math ascended battle rap he's is now officially CULTURE!💯🖤✊🏿💪🏿
That rip the jacker album he did with stoupe is a masterpiece.
Best hiphop album of all time
Yes
Canibus still a legend 💯
The fact that math can tap in with all shapes and form of entertainers is amazing , shows his diversity to topic and the culture . Always lookin forward to Who is on next .. ps i, here from battle rap days
Cannibus is one of the greatest lyricist that ever lived.
Loved that can I bus album I still rock the navy seals joint frequently
Old tracks with wyclef and canibus are just pure gold. TH-cam for them, you won't skip a single one guaranteed
Math if you can get Canibus to come through and tell his side of the story.
I'll never forget first time I heard Cannibis, was on Lost Boyz' "Music Makes Me High" remix, was like, "who is this dude?" Hopefully Wyclef could still make that Em - Cannibus collabo happen, would be hella dope.
Had to be in the building to understand & appreciate Clef
Bro you need to get Canibus on the show.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I don’t care about his freestyle mess up.
Can-I-bus was the epitome of the highest caliber rap lyricist.
Math: love this content lately 💯
Never to this day heard anything like Canibus on the Mic and I just want to know why and how that’s possible to be that nice
Born that way
Canibus is the illest lyrical emcee to ever grace hiphop and his wow factor in his lyrical ability has NEVER been matched since
Yeah, this dude has been mapping out unexplored regions of lyricism for a while now.
Yes. And almost 3 decades later it's STILL not close.
Lol. I understand yall some big fans of his or whatever, but he would never be on Puns level
@@GeneralBuckNaked nigga you smokin... while pun is one of the best to ever do it with his flow as word play he has never spit the shit that canibus spit during his prime... canibus was leap years ahead of the next best mc.
@@GeneralBuckNaked bis got pun on fantastic 4 on dj clue album...he went crazy
CANNIBUS IS THE GREATEST RAPPER TO NEVER MAKE IT 💯💯
You mean to blow up and no, he ain’t that either lol. It’s dudes on the underground to this day that got infinitely better rhymes than 95% of the dudes signed to major labels right now that most people will never hear of because nobody co-signed them and they didn’t pay for play...
@@dawb86 Yeah it’s plenty of people like that, but who would you say is better than Canibus? Dude was nice with it.
@@jjmuse75 What I mean is Canibus ain't in the category of "didn't make it." If anything, he's more so one who's career didn't live up to its full potential. I was referring to a lot of those guys who never even got the recognition/hype Canibus got at all...
@@dawb86 When you say this day you mean now. But back then there was no others like Canibus , he was the greatest then. And a lot of those rappers that you talk about today are definitely most likely influenced by him.
What's the list...? He kinda made it...Big L is the first guy to come to mind
I’m a big Canibus fan. I felt he should’ve battled again . I liked him more than Eminem.
96-03 Eminem & Canibus both legendarily ill!
Absolutely. His arm was in a sling. Something Happened.
@@superdopehiphop true. my comment came off like i wasn't an Eminem fan but those two were/are my favorites(along with MF DOOM r.i.p.)
@@dajhedi yea a lot of ppl like to choose or hate on the other but I personally love Canibus and Eminem on their A game! I saw MJ & LeBron live 50 times each also and love both of them. Ppl love to pit two greats against each other and hate on others to build up the other but unless I think someone is massively overrated I will never do that!
Canibus needs to come on this and get more exposure man. His music is the absolute ELITE standard for real hip-hop, he gets on any track and annihilates the track and the other artist barely sounds as good. He needs to get the exposure he deserves man. C'mon Maph put in that work
Canibus' music is fucking trash. Stop it🤣
@@shinbakihanma2749 Says the person who doesn't know good music
@@a1990sGamer You're a Canibus groupie, which means your delusion is beyond help🤣
He on now!
@@scaramanga7696 That you Snake eyes?
Can-I-Bus album didn’t live up to expectations. The production just wasn’t up to par.
LL said in back where I belong that him and wyclef got together to set him up.
Canibus is still nice till this day. With that being said the same people who talk bad about canibus will praise Eminem. Eminem not better than Canibus and when they were going back and forth lyrically canibus destroyed him on Dr chpd.
The God with yellow hoodie (pardon I don’t know his name) needs to be permanently on this podcast! The God is essential! Also, OG who roc’s the tinted lenses needs to be permanent. Salute Math!
2nd round KO was dope but Canibus didn't have a 2nd single
Math I'm so proud of you brother. The glow up is real. Salute
The LL/‘Bus/Clef battle added to ‘98s legendary hiphop year in music. I bought so many tapes that year.
“Canibus knows how good I really am”
Lmao this guy is so deluded 😆
Dudes Wack on every verse but I’m supposed to believe he’s really dope😂
Not to mention his collaborations with Mary J Blige, Carlos Santana and others. Canibus ft. Wyclef Jean - How Come. One of my most favorite songs from both of those brothers. Salute
how come was a great song
Canibus was so ahead of his time he leapfrogged himself. Built so much buzz with freestyles and songs with other rappers, once you take away the other rappers something is just naturally missing in the momentum of the songs.
Came out around the time of Aquemini, Vol. 2, in the aftermath of Capital Punishment by Big Pun who could really do both hardcore and commercial effortlessly.
Canibus has no effortlessness it’s kinda like the Knicks last year, go hard all regular season can’t have another gear to go to in the playoffs.
Songs like nigganometry and I honor u are dope in their own way, shows versatility.
2nd round KO was just shortsighted, LL is nothing to play with regardless and of course had the versatility to run circles around bus.
2000 BC was cool, the Stan album is just off the wall and beyond that it’s hard to even circle back on that.
“Buckingham Palace” is my Top 5 all time
canibus is one of the best to ever do it and a beast on the mic. would love to hear more from him and hrsmn (canibus, kurupt, ras kass and killah priest) as well as his ciphers with k-rino they both mad underrated
Clef and Can killed the No Airplay joint. Still in my rotation to this day. If you haven't heard this one you better catch up.
If u got a gat, u better use it. Come on pull it. Scientists got raw footage of me dodging bullets.
Damn Clyef spit it out . I’m about to take a nap.
Yo, for real right
Exactly!!!!
HOFFA!!!!!
Definitely here for this one. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Canibus was the best rapper ever he would've been great right now he was ahead of his time
Lemme finish your statement Math: "Dope lyricist, doo doo production".
That first album is a CLASSICK if you listen to it ACAPELLA 😂😂. The lyrics, wordplay, concepts and metaphors were way ahead of it’s time.
CANIBUS was mismanaged and CLEF and JERRY WONDA ain’t hit him with the aggressive beats he needed. CLEF gave him beats that he could rock on and not what CANIBUS needed.
But it’s all good, BIS been doing his thing since then, still a legend and he will be coming out with another album December 18th.
People can front all they want......that little nigga canibus was the nicest nigga with bars when he 1st dropped.....he forced the whole industry to pick there game up.....
Good segment 👍 My OG layman's opinion on Canibus...
Canibus didn't move a lotta units simply because his style doesn't move a lotta people. That underground, hard-core, punchline, rappidy rap stuff almost NEVER goes over well. People (in general) don't wanna party to that👎👎 Straight up 🤷♂️ For example...
BIG is my all time favorite MC 🙌 However, if he'd never gotten with Puff, it's *highly probable* that he would never have blown up. Puff has an intrinsic understanding of what moves party people. "Machine Gun Funk" was dope for the hard-core heads👍 But "One More Chance" and "Big Poppa" (Puff's suggestions) are what pierced people's souls 🎯💯
Bottom line is that if you're not focused on making people feel good, then you'll probably be underground forever. Just something to consider 💡
In terms of sales...You're absolutely correct, but everyone doesn't want to party. There is a mass of hip-hop enthusiasts that want to hear that gritty bom-bap...and Bis was King for a moment. Even the great Nasir excused himself off a remix of his own joint that featured Canibus. That says ALOT!!!
@@Ariusfiveduece Greetings, from The Bay Area ✌ I understand where you're coming from...I do👍 But let's face facts: that boom bap market is 🤏marginal 🤷♂️. It's a thing tho, nonetheless; I hear you✊ However, with regards to people as a whole and partying...
Let's remember that *party people are the foundation of hip-hop culture* ...hell, of the recording industry in general. Hip hop *literally* sprang forth from a party inside a Bronx recreation room, with Herc spinning records that moved folks souls 💯 As such, it's safe to assume that *most folks* who enjoy music (rap music in particular) also enjoy partying and having a good time🤘
The Canibus/Nas situation may say a lot to you...but I think it says *even more* that he went & joined the military afterwards 🤷♂️ Critical acclaim from lyric purists simply doesn't pay the bills, Boss. If your art doesn't resonate with the public, then you'll end up a starving/struggling artist...
With that being said, I think that the battle realm is an excellent place for these guys👍 There's a market for it. Although, most people don't wanna listen to dudes angrily yelling back & forth about killing each other..it is what it is 🤷♂️😄
@@thinkforward8752 well Canibus doesn’t really rap like that anymore. He says it himself. He’s not the same dude. His style changed after the military. He evolved into what he is now with his loyal fan base. Not everyone is cut out to sell a lot or making party music (which he has). It’s just not his thing. Doesn’t mean he can’t.
@@7Kingsmen For sure👍 Everyone's not gonna have those endearing "it factor" qualities. As long as you can find a way to make a living from your art tho, that's all that matters when all's said & done...I can get with that✊
Canibus moved your brain not your body
I said from the gate that was a mismatch pairing. So glad to hear him admit he jacked that up, cuz he did.
Ain’t nothing went wrong with Canibus. He’s the undeground king
He was to intricate for mainstream and most people 😁
Wyclef is a serious producer, legendary. Wyclef is right, we wanted more of Canibus.
One of the greatest Lyricist of all time made a couple of mistakes and got blackballed some people laugh at his Persona some people praised his skills you listen for yourself and decide
don't waste your time with low iq rap fans. they wanna hear wack lyrics and dance in clubs.
Oh damn I didn’t see this convo coming but it makes sense. Canibus did try to battle and we a know what happened there.
Keep it up bro!
Can-I-Bus still got heat!! 🔥
Facts! Classic album
In hindsight that album isn’t bad for his overall body of work, but when it dropped it was considered ass compared to what we the fans expected. To me that ended up being his best album of the bunch.
Everybody’s first album is not gonna be a classic - Mobb Deep can attest to this ! Juvenile Hell had no way near the impact The Infamous had- Hell most people don’t even know Mobb Deep had an album before The Infamous!✅
Mobb Deep
Fugees
GZA
Bone Thugs
Eminem (if we counting Infinite which had some 🔥 songs but not SSLP Classic level)
Twista
@@superdopehiphop facts! Even The Fugees first album “ Blunted on Reality” couldn’t touch their second album “ The Score”.
@@reefb4364 Yea I edited it and added them for sure before reading what you said. They def are on that list
Hit it from the back is timeless tho
After watching and listening to BIS side makes this WHOLE STORY complete...DOPE!!
I also came here after watching 'Bis say his peace and yes I understand it all now. The mutual respect is ever so apparent how the two speak on each other.
Shout outs to the comment section! Its pretty got damn unanimous Can-I-Bus gets love, respect and reverence despite what narrative is pushed out there. Peace.
Waiting patiently for this episode
True story: in college i met this chick that didnt go to my school but lived in the area. I let her borrow mu Canibus cd. This biotch never gave it back after we stopped talking. I eventually got it back but she had put super glue all over it. I got nail polish remover and somehow got it off and it still works to this day. 22 years later
Thats just disrespect
This is def 1 of those.....i need canibus's reaction now ... lol
Yeah, we got an idea of how good Clef really is on his LL diss record.
Why didn’t Clef reach out to Dre after hearing Canibus on “Desperados” and The Firm album? Those beats were dope & perfect for Bis to go ape sh*t 🤦🏽♂️
It wasn't an LL team up, it was a jay z team up. Jay Z brought bis to clef.
Dylan voice "Your too close man!"
Please do one of these interviews with Canibus! To me, Canibus IS "the GOAT" lyricist. If you base it on his lyrical skill, who's actually BETTER than Canibus?
Canibus is so dope. Love "Buckingham Palace" 🔥
Idk what Wyvlef is talking about.....but Canibus fans want to know who sat around a table and said that's a dope album.
I say this also about CANIBUS he is a past human being , a present human being and a future human being all in one. The guy is outta this world half man half Amazing 👏 There will never be another CANIBUS salute my brother 🙏
I just wish Preemo would've reached out, and 9th was around then..hell even early Yeezy or Rza. Imagine Bis with a track like "Incarcerated Scarfaces"💥🤯💨
I respect Clef, but imo...he was the wrong producer for a talent like Canibus..
Premier made the beat that ended being D'Angelo devil's pie for Canibus Canibus sent it back decided didn't want another beat from Preemo
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Honestly, that is kind of a weak beat in my opinion. I mean I back canibus in his decision to reject that beat. He could of sent him better than that.
I met Canibus in early 2000’s in LA at the Mondrian. You know you know. He was there with some uppity arrogant kat from Wyclef’s camp and I was coolin waiting for traffic to pass. Place was somewhat empty. We got to talking and I called him Canibus and he said brother I’m Steve. He told me he was going to the military then. Cool kat, real folks!
Canibus was and still is a dope MC. I just think he miscalculated in the LL and Diz situation. I innerstood his hunger, but LL and Diz are seasoned veterans at their individual crafts. I think if he would of covered more ground in those situations in terms of learning and gaining experience, the outcomes might of been different.
Bro he ate LL ass up early LL needed like 5 minutes to say well you said this well this and let’s think of this weak ass bar LL( well you said 99 percent of my fans don’t exist, well 99 percent of your fans don’t exist). Corny corny he was blackballed his bars was on a whole other level the way he articulated shit with big words at such a young age. The only issue I ca tell by looking at the freestyle he did with DMX, Pun and mic Geronimo, etc was he forget his rhymes. Listen to the freestyle with him Nore and DMX timeless
@@Cramz looking back at it Can might of had the better bars, but he didn’t have the time in. If Can would of just focused on his music, and got some platinum or Gold albums under his belt, his diss would of hit harder. That battle would of made more sense. Either that or LL’s response wouldn’t of hurt him as bad. It was brand damaging because of Can’s position in the industry at that time. L had already had 10 to 15 years in at that time. If anything Canibus vs Dizaster showed us why experience matters.
@@Klasik489 it wasn't the diss that hurt Bis. It was his business decisions after it all that did. He fired Cleft, got signed to Universal, and then left them to go independent and put purposely put out a third trash album.. his battle with LL is 50/50..
@@shall7277 That’s kind of what I was alluding to when I was saying experience matters. I think the lack of it hurt Can’s brand.
@@Klasik489 yeah I can see that. That would be like Kendrick going at Jay before his first album dropped
That Canibus and DJ Clue freestyle is some of the best lyricism I've ever heard
But Jay -Z introduced Canibus to Wyclef and that’s FACTS!
Hoffa, very good segment. You are the REALEST to ever do this shit!!!!
The album was dope. I lost respect for Can-I-Bus when he tried to blame Wyclef for people's reaction to the album on some, "It aint my fault, Wyclef picked all the beats. I don't know how to pick beats." As an Emcee, you gotta' know how to pick a beat and you gotta' NOT blame a producer for your failures.
Math Hoffa has one of the best podcast out
Damn Wycleff done dragged the Question and still ain’t understand his answer
Back in the dayz when I was Young....I saw Wyclef at House of Blues in LA with his Acoustic Guitarist singing " No Woman no Cry".....then did "Nappy Heads" with the Fugees.....this man know the game....and they opened for Public Enemy.......!!!!!..Also....chillin in the cut was Kool Moe D...what a night....I want that old thang Back..
Cleff just Kung fu dodged this question! No one was nicer than Canibus from 96-98...on God
FACTS all the legends had material out and he stood out
You smoking. Big and Pac was still alive in 96. Cut it out.
Pun was on his heels.
@@ronmatthews different arena my guy! Nobody ever overshined Canibus on any verse or song he was featured on.
@@Patrick78ization Facts Nas,Pun and Big L was the closest to Canibus
Glad Math n Bis got to speak
Canibus was waaaaay before his time. Kid had BARS on top of BARS.... but the ripper strikes back pretty much ended Bis career lets be 100.
That diss on 2nd Round ko to LL.. is UNTOUCHABLE.....
absolute
Wyclef rambled and rambled and rambled and didnt even get into why him and Canibus didnt work out…danced around it because the STREETS KNOW WYCLEF BEATS were why nobody fucked with that first album. Bus got busy as always back then…but those tracks did not fit what he was doing. 2nd Round KO was a classic tho.
Oh be quiet. Not everybody's first album is gonna be a HIT.
@@jamesjohn9183 the beats were TRIDASH. Consensus
@@Prayalone515 Canibus fault for picking them he should've told Clef no
Buckingham Palace is 1 of the illest songs written
Canibus won that shit
Dope interview Hoffa 💯
What is Math implying by saying "but.. I spent 3hrs on the phone with him.. give it up guys.."?? Math sounds salty.
Kind of sounds like he’s implying that Canibus doesn’t want to rhyme anymore so if you were wondering about him or waiting to hear something new from him then…..give it up.
He's implying Canibus is far gone..His mind ain't all there
Sideways hatred, a compliment can't just be a "damn COMPLIMENT" unless they're speaking on eminem, tired of these clowns
@@jjmuse75 Canibus quiting rhyming is never gonna happen. Dude never stopped rhyming, dude lives and breathes rhymes still. What he is saying is that he couldnt get Canibus on the show and probably that he is a little off. Im a big canibus fan but he has seemed to be struggling mentally at times.