I wonder if Graham has read our paper on PPH--we do explicitly discuss the case of the ancient astronomers who wonder about Hesperus and Phosphorous, and he doesn't seem familiar with what we say about it. At the end of the section it seems like he ultimately denies that disharmony is even conceivable, and of course we've always acknowledged that as an option; it's just not one we think is plausible.
why people think Oppy is some kind of a sage of philosophy is beyond me. Of course it's conceivable that the pain and its functional role come apart. For instance, even on identity theory we can just imagine a scenario in which the smell of burnt rubber instead of pain is associated with the firing of motor nerves which cause you to pull your hand away from a stove.
He does somewhere else in an interview but he just states he's an identity theorist and that whatever particular argument/paper that was brought up just ignored the view. It's been awhile As I'm typing this he literally just said the same thing.
amazing! i would like to ask if i am able to join in your discord channel where i can hear Oppy speak on air. thank you! he is one of the giant where i am standing upon.
One of the more intellectually satisfying moments in my life is learning from this interview that Oppy thinks about the psychophysical harmony nonsense the same way I do.
It’s certainly a vindication of a sensible response but come on, the ‘argument’ is utter tripe. It’s hardly surprising that the witnessed correlation exists: the theistic view that it’s surprising is clearly at minimum 2 fallacies intertwined/conflated or at the very least an incredulity argument.
@@christopherhamilton3621 Many theists think it's the "best argument for God ever invented," etc. Even ostensible atheists like Emerson Green have said the argument has moved them into a more agnostic camp. I don't get it. Like you, to me the argument just seems fallacious on its face.
@@hiker-uy1bi Since theists need to invent an argument for god tells us so much about the actual god.. Also this argument can easily be debunked by evolutionary biology and neurobiology.
i hear existential inertia, i have been summoned from the depths
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Existential inertia is a sign of the majesty of reason!
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i really liked a lot of the questions. many of them i haven’t heard Oppy answer before
I wonder if Graham has read our paper on PPH--we do explicitly discuss the case of the ancient astronomers who wonder about Hesperus and Phosphorous, and he doesn't seem familiar with what we say about it. At the end of the section it seems like he ultimately denies that disharmony is even conceivable, and of course we've always acknowledged that as an option; it's just not one we think is plausible.
why people think Oppy is some kind of a sage of philosophy is beyond me. Of course it's conceivable that the pain and its functional role come apart. For instance, even on identity theory we can just imagine a scenario in which the smell of burnt rubber instead of pain is associated with the firing of motor nerves which cause you to pull your hand away from a stove.
Excellent discussion, thank you
Crummett vs Oppy on psychophysical harmony would be epic. Detroyer plz make it happen
This x infinity
Can easily be debunked by evolutionary biology and neurobiology..
The GOAT. This is the first time I've seen him speak on psychophysical harmony. Thanks!
He does somewhere else in an interview but he just states he's an identity theorist and that whatever particular argument/paper that was brought up just ignored the view. It's been awhile
As I'm typing this he literally just said the same thing.
amazing! i would like to ask if i am able to join in your discord channel where i can hear Oppy speak on air. thank you! he is one of the giant where i am standing upon.
Nice interview...btw friction how you defined something is contingent?do you think contingent means dependent existence?
One of the more intellectually satisfying moments in my life is learning from this interview that Oppy thinks about the psychophysical harmony nonsense the same way I do.
It’s certainly a vindication of a sensible response but come on, the ‘argument’ is utter tripe. It’s hardly surprising that the witnessed correlation exists: the theistic view that it’s surprising is clearly at minimum 2 fallacies intertwined/conflated or at the very least an incredulity argument.
@@christopherhamilton3621 Many theists think it's the "best argument for God ever invented," etc. Even ostensible atheists like Emerson Green have said the argument has moved them into a more agnostic camp. I don't get it. Like you, to me the argument just seems fallacious on its face.
@@hiker-uy1bi Same
@@hiker-uy1bi Since theists need to invent an argument for god tells us so much about the actual god..
Also this argument can easily be debunked by evolutionary biology and neurobiology.
I'm not sure that I am fully sold on EI. Also, is this the first time he has commented on psychophysical harmony?
The patience Oppy has for entertaining all of these silly theological/philosophical speculations (read:nonsense) is admirable.
Some of these people asking questions are pretty bad