It's retro time!!!!! Thanks so much for looking at the Multisystem Anthony, really great to see it on the channel and hear your feedback. MiSTer is wonderful in all of its forms.
@@alessiman Bare boards went out on the 25th (as I got mine on the 26th). The others are going out as they pack & post them, or print for the cases but you should get an email when it gets sent
the DE10-Nano was the same board that I used for my Computer Engineering degree. Designed and built an ARM processor from the ground up on one. Fun project. Learned I was TERRIBLE at hardware design. But yeah, FPGA, or Field Programmable Gate Array, means that you are "programming" (more akin to html than javascript) how logic gates are wired together. Given literally every processor in existence uses those exact same base gates, Its possible to build any processor or system you want.
We also used the DE0 board in my Comp eng degree and built our own cpus, was one of the most rewarding pracs we did. We also had to write a small assembler to be able to easily code for the cpu. The assembler would run on the co-processor included on the chip and send the instructions to our custom cpu via a memory bridge, it was awesome when we eventually got it to work
Yay we also used this in our Comp Eng courses to build our own CPU with a custom ISA! I then purchased my own DE-10 nano board to prototype my final thesis project, which was a pure hardware implementation of a B-Tree of order 4. It's modelled like a pipelined CPU, with the instructions being the tree operations (insert, lookup, del) And now it's MiSTer time :)
limited by the max clock of the FPGA board - have a learner board that is max 50MHz (just adequate for clocking VGA graphics subsystem) and another that is up around 100MHz obviously not going to make a CPU that rivals modern CPUs (except for low end embedded), but these are perfectly adequate for all the vintage computer CPUs up to early 1990s computers
This is a project focused on game preservation. In FPGA they basically recreate hardware 1:1 so games run identically as on the original system. If a game ran like crap on the original hardware it will run like crap on the mister and that is beautiful. Every collector of old games should have one.
@@popenieafantome9527 The underlying hardware might be newer, but it's still "emulating" (technically not, but for ease of reference) the old hardware, worts and all. It's capable of running faster, but why would you, when the goal is 1:1 recreation at the hardware level?
@@popenieafantome9527 When you emulate a game console at 100% accuracy to the original hardware, you have to take into account all of the hardware quirks and even glitches too.
It's not even emulation.. emulation is a software thing. This is.. hardware being told to act like different hardware i guess? I keep using "console simulator" because it basically is hardware simulated on another piece of hardware.. I tend to reserve the word "emulation" for software.. like KEGA fusion for SEGA Genesis.. and SNES9x for super Nintendo.
It will emulate it exactly at a hardware level. However, there is a turbo function on some cores that speed up gameplay. There is also an ability to change the sprite limit in some cores. This means that a game like Ninja Gaiden on the NES will run without the sprite flickering the original game had.
I'm pretty sure that SCART can carry most if not all of the following, although someone else might be able to correct me if I've made a mistake. Analogue audio, digital audio, composite video, component video, analogue RGB, digital RGB (aka TTL RGB) digital video up to 1080p, RF, comms data (think controlling your TV through your VCR remote and vice versa) and possibly more. Not all of those are part of the official spec, and not all of them can be used at the same time but SCART was designed to be forward and backward compatible and provide as many AV standards as possible in a single connector, hence why it's so bulky. It's awesome to see RMC on LTT, this is an awesome project and if I had the money I'd get one.
It's true that it can do digital audio, YPbPr component, digital RGB and HD but none of that was standardised. Saying that it could do all that is like saying that HDMI can transmit PCI-E. It can and some products have used it that way but it's a hack. SCART was only spec'd for up to 15 kHz RGB and unbalanced analog stereo. The real cool stuff was that you could daisy chain your devices through one input and control everything together. It could send video and audio both directions for recording on your VCR. It can tell your TV if your program was widescreen or not (something that can also be done with RCA cables).
@@Crlarl I did mention that not all of what I listed was part of the official spec, but you're right to mention what the spec officially supported, and that it had some really cool features all by itself. The fact is though that a spec from the 70's was forward thinking enough to have enough pins to be able to do all of that. I remember daisy chaining a VCR, Sky box and DVD player (later added a PS2) to our TV, and it worked perfectly for years, and with that set up we only needed a single SCART connector on the TV.
Galaksija was a Yugoslavian (today's Serbia) DIY computer. If it were Polish it would be called "Galaktyka", but we had computers like Elwro 800 Junior which was a ZX compatible.
They are not processors, they are programmable gate arrays! You can program them to do specific functions, this input through these logic functions and there is your output. You can use them to compute, but they are not computers ;)
@@sjoervanderploeg4340 It's just bridging yeah. Still, I wouldn't like getting something 3d printed which had that kind of bridging. A quick touchup with a heatgun can get them to adhere. Or print the case with the externally facing surfaces on the build-plate and use supports. Also they seem to print these in 0.3mm layer height which will have much more obvious and saggier bridging.
FPGAs are Field Programmable Gates Array. Meaning you can program it to do any logic or instructions in the field, as longs it fits in the array. Being slower than a dedicated logic chip, in a equivalent tech tier, and more expensive, they are limited to application where or you need the FP part or making a dedicated IC isn't worth the harsle.
But if you use it like logic chip you miss out on the parallel functions, real parallel function unlike cpu, which physically are limited to one function at a time, its at a highclockspeed but when conpared to doing everything parallel its slower by miles
As a huge fan of Neil’s from RMC and Anthony’s from LTT, I loved this video. I’ve already built several MiSTer systems and I’ve ordered the black version of this console case and the custom multisystem PCB, as well. Looking forward to putting it together when it arrives.
15:53 Galaksija is actually from former Yugoslavia. It was a kit computer first featured in a Yugoslav computer magazine Računari, designed by a brilliant guy named Voja Antonić...who was something of an Anthony of that time :) It struck me as a weird synchronicity that Antonić's computer listed would catch Anthony's attention for some reason.
It's awesome to see Anthony enjoying the MiSTer FPGA! RMC and Richard put together a really nice unit with the multisystem, though if folks just want to get started with using FPGA- all that's really needed is the De-10 Nano itself and a recommended 128mb stick of SD Ram (~$75) with a cheap OTG usb adapter for connectivity. You can put together the other pieces of your kit over time like a nice case and SNAC adapter, etc. For the first year I owned mine I actually used an old Samsung cellphone box with holes cut out in the sides for ports. Just make sure you have a heatsink and fan and you're good to go. ^-^ Friggin awesome you tried the XE-1 AP controller with it! Those are truly pieces of history and helped shape what would become the modern analog controller. The version of Afterburner for Genesis you played is based on the original X68000 port of the game, which will be playable in it's full glory soon as that core (Sharp X68000) is getting a lot of attention from our devs currently. Happy holidays and thanks for taking a look at MiSTer!
While true, I've almost spilt my drink on my DE-10 so many times that I'm really looking forward to getting the multisystem and putting it somewhere away from my drink. ;) I also bought a USB hub board and it broke within a week. :( Not at all comfortable having the USB OTB hub hanging off the DE-10 that I do now as those ports are notorious for the solder joints breaking. So if you want it to last, I think the multisystem is the way to go.
Still a little strange to send the case to the customer with sacrificial layers of that kind. Supports could have been painted on in the slicer sparingly to reduce the bridging distance significantly and only taken a few seconds to remove in post processing.
As soon as the Algorithm introduced me to the MiSTer last month I knew Anthony was going to do an episode on it. Good to see it! Also, the "MiSTer" itself is a big community project, "MiSTer Mulltisystem" is just THAT board carrier board and case, don't mess up the crediting please!
Not to mention it would come loose and I had so many cables where the pins got pushed in when trying to plug it back into the TV. HATED the connector, but the functionality was great.
Love me some SCART. Sure, it did have tendency to come loose if disturbed or left hanging (as it often was), and the pins did bend easily. All that could be quickly and easily fixed though and for that time it meant we got the best experience. Wouldn't want to go back to it though.
That surface on the inside of the 3D printed case doesn't look like a layer adhesion issue to me. Rather, it looks like they decided to print the part right-way-up, and all that underneath is bridging without supports.
Yes it's a bridging issue. There is some support when you use the recommended support settings in Prusa but to get it to print without the layer issue it does need a little more than Prusa suggests by default.
The MiSTer is a great project. It is expensive compared to say a Pi set up but it is so much better IMO (I have both). You can start with just the DE10 nano, though that restricts you from using some cores, which takes the price way down. And as it's modular you add in parts as you go along, the memory module is probably the first addon to buy as it opens up a lot of extra cores. It's advantage over Pi is the lack of lag due to emulation being in tin rather than in software. It also run's old PCs very well. If you find Pi gaming just doesn't 'feel' right this is likely a good alternative. It just feels like you are playing on an old system directly, especially if you run it on a CRT. It's so good my Pi setup and original consoles don't get touched these days.
The MiSTer is one of the greatest retro gaming devices I’ve owned in a long time. Mine has got daily use for the last year or so, and the great thing is that it’s constantly getting new cores and other updates. I recently added a MT32pi add-on peripheral and now I have true Roland MT32 and SC55 audio for the computer cores like the 486, Amiga and Sharp X68000! Recently the Sega Saturn and PS1 cores that are in development have had amazing progress. I’m really looking forward to them!
@@PingPong85 It’s the best setup that I think the MiSTer offers! Sadly my Analogue Super NT and SD2SNES rarely get any use anymore now that I have a proper MiSTer setup, but I still cherish it.
I have one on order and live in the UK, so will have a use for SCART on mine to use with a 21"CRT. Great to see that you have had one and the SNAC adapters look really cool. Hoping to recieve my Multisystem in the next few weeks. Great to see you covering some more Retro gear.
Based on comments here, people seem to have understandings on how FPGAs work. FPGAs, juste like CPUs, are integrated circuits. But unlike CPUs, they don't run programs, you describe their logic, just like a processor as a logic baked into it. Basically, an FPGA (Field-Programmable Gate Array) is a "reprogrammable" CPU of sort. This is called *hardware description", it is much closer to actual hardware design than computer programming. Since you can describe exactly how its logic will work, an FPGA can reproduce the logic of any other integrated circuits, including CPUs, GPUs, and more (albeit, generally at lower frequencies). Now, why use an FPGA ? Well, firs off, theoratically FPGAs can run as many logic in parallel as you wish as long as they have enough ressources to do so (flip flops, LUTs, DSPs, etc.). Another advantage of FPGAs is that just like Anthony said, you can prototype with them. Integrated circuits are cheap, FPGAs are expensive, but if you want to do a custom chip, it's gonna be very expensive to put that into production and not very profitable if you don't mass produce them. Whereas any FPGA can just reproduce the logic of that dedicated integrated cricuits. In short, for small scale custom hardware or prototyping, FPGAs are much cheaper, but once you start to scale up, it can become more profitable to just start producing your own dedicated integrated cricuits. I have also heard that FPGAs are more resilient to cosmic rays and radiation in general (bit flips) and therefore are preferable in space.
FPGA's are programmable logic IC's. You can basically create your own logic circuits like a CPU, GPU, complete Retro games consoles, sound chips, all within the FPGA by using HDL (hardware discription language). It can also be multiple separate circuits within the chip, the freedom makes it awesome, and the IO pins are assignable as In/out/bi. You can have multiple clock ins and outs. Some even comes with integrated ADC. Most of the are volatile, but there are a few non-volatile as well. At the end of the day. FPGA's are awesome.
It being sold in the UK, makes scart make sense. Here in the UK ALL retro tv's here use scart and some more modern TV's usually have scart or component in it's array of ports. Even our Nintendo Wii's came with component-Scart adapters.
Does anyone else start to do Anthony's little "I get to play with this nerd toy!" smile when he does? Love watching this type of content but not many give off the joyous energy anywhere near as well. Positively infectious!
Price wise it would have been great to compare this to something like the Super NT or the Mega SG both of which use FPGA technology also. I think that would give people a good indication of where it sits in this particular market. If you just wanted to play say super Nintendo games that's $200 for an Analog product. If you wanted to play Genesis games that's another $200 for an Analog product. The MiSTer please dozens of systems for the price of just those two. Modding original hardware to work with HDMI is also an option, but also expensive. This is definitely a product for an enthusiast but it's not the most expensive way and enthusiast could go about playing these games. I mounted my DE10 nano in a cheap ITX PC case and it worked out wonderfully.
I’m sure the FPGA is a great deal in the league of enthusiast builds but the price is still pretty prohibitive. I mean I’m the guy who gets the analogue MD and runs it with the Game Gear adapter with original carts. I have found it much more fun to fiddle with the Retropie and that runs PSP games almost native for 30-80 US on my HDTV. Apples to apples the Analogue systems are a joke price and this is almost there. I like where we are moving but when you add all the snacs and upgrades you’re not saving that much money on this setup
There isn't necessary much purpose to adding HDMI support as many of the older systems either look just fine with a cheap HDMI converter or require a CRT to get the desired effect. The Sonic games are a good example as they use dithering that doesn't work right without either a CRT or special code to emulate that as well. Not to mention the relative expense of getting a light gun equivalent that works on non-CRTs for lightgun games.
I love that Anthony was the one who reviewed this. Perfect fit! I wish it was more than an unboxing video, but I should probably manage my expectations given that is what this TH-cam channel is all about. I really hope you all give it a whirl in the office and do a deeper dive video on the Linus Tech Tips channel!
Wasn’t expecting to see a heber board on your channel. They make different types of MPUs in the U.K. market and no doubt the rest of Europe for arcade / casino (fruit) machines. We’ve boards that are 20 years plus old and still running strong
I think something you missed was the difference of hardware emulation vs software emulation. The FPGA uses actual gates and logic to emulate hardware at a circuit level with millions of programmable gates as software emulation does not benefit from the bare metal of an FPGA
@@islandboy9381 Well while I agree that Mister is the most accurate thing next to real hardware, but there are modern emulators that can be very accurate without noticeable input lag but they are very demanding with everything set up to highest accuracy. Most of emulators are set up by default to be playable on an average PC with all the 'tricks' like frameskip and stuff. Most people don't like to tweak settings and want everything to work out of the box.
Software emulation can potentially do that, the issue is that the amount of processing power it takes is stupid. BSNES does a pretty good job of emulating the entire SNES system, but the hardware it takes is pretty crazy compared with the hardware it takes to emulate the system without bothering to emulate everything. Mister gets around that a bit by just reprogramming the chips to just behave like the real ones sot hat hopefully you get an effect similar to the original. At least that's what happens when the work is completed carefully, some cores are still in development. I'm looking forward to getting mine tomorrow.
@@mattx5499 The problem is that with anything less than 100% accuracy, you're going to have games that don't look quite right or that have weird bugs that are introduced that need their own patches. It is usually good enough, but something like mister should avoid those issues.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade I'm emulating SNES on Mednafen which is multiemulator and I can't tell the accuracy quirks because I never had opportunity to use real console and I don't know how to spot the differences. The experience is good. I think that only titles that used some special capabillities of the console may have problems. The PSX emulation on Mednafen is known to be almost perfect.
Video Game Lawers: Ahh, after 10,000 years I'm free! It's time to end the emulators! LMG: Linus, the video game lawyers have escaped! Recruit a retro game guru with attitude! Anthony: 00:00
You can use a Bliss USB adapter if you want to mix serial controllers. I use a Saturn controller for Genesis and Neo Geo, SNES for SNES, GB/GBA, etc. That setup requires a small bit of daisy chaining (Just the Bliss adapter doesn't work alone as a serial device) and needs their own modified versions of the cores but they work great
I've been interested in FPGAs recently, and this came at a perfect time. I do wish we got something a bit more substantial than a ShortCircuit video, though.
There’s a ton of deep dive videos out there about FPGA retro gaming and specifically the MiSTer. Unfortunately I think that going deep into it is not the core audience for this channel or LTT.
Anthony, thank you for this retro vid! I’m still feeling a little starstruck after bumping into you at Costco! Thank you for all the wonderful content, and being the tech wizard that you are!
Okay, I would like to file a complaint to upper management. Why does Anthony not have all the things to fully test a retro console? When you look at Alex's workstation/workshop.... I mean, y'all can't get Anthony a CRT with scart, zapper gun, and all the things.
@@wrentheenby Sure, but they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (at least) building machine shops and now test labs, they can afford to spend a few hundred bucks to build a retro gaming test station.
The Mister is pricey until you compare it to the equivalent retro systems, consoles and computer it can play, scalers, cables, and Everdrives/ODEs. It's a bargain then, with the Multi-System or by itself.
All you need is a DE10-Nano and a 32MB memory stick. If you want CRT monitors you can use direct video with a cheap USB to VGA adaptor. A digital IO board will give you the SNAC option if you need original controllers. Absolutely no need to spend a fortune on a full setup for most people who just want to play games via HDMI with USB controllers.
@@aliabdallah102 about 40 games in the NeoGeo library will work with 32MB and about half of the CPS2 library will be fine. Every single other current core will work fine with 32MB.
I have very fond memories of going over to my neighbor's house and just watching him play Super Mario World on the big TV for hours. The game itself was memorable, but the thing that really stuck with me was the sight of the cartridge art in the SNES, something about it is just so nostalgic. CDs and downloading games will never match that physical charm of the cartridge. 😥
For those not clear on the difference between FPGA simulation (I prefer "synthesis", since you're synthesizing the original hardware) and software emulation, FPGA is able to achieve higher accuracy because it's not a general purpose computer running a program that approximates the behavior of original hardware, it's unallocated hardware logic which is arranged by a description fed to it into exactly the same hardware that was in the original console or computer. That is to say, if you're synthesising the Megadrive/Genesis with a Motorola 68k processor and a Yamaha YM2612 sound chip, those chips are actually there inside the logic array, the array just needs to be told what logic goes together to be those chips. A game program might run linearly, piping data to the sound, then the graphics, then checking input, and so on, and that's a layer of abstraction all consoles and computers have. When you add a software emulator running on a computer to that, the emulator is also running linearly, with sound, graphics, and input routines that are basically taking turns using the hardware underneath, so when you press a button on your controller, it's only getting picked up the next time the emulator checks input, and then it's being passed to the game, which is only picking it up when the game checks input. That's simplified to the point of inaccuracy, but you get the general idea, I think. Synthesising it in FPGA removes that second layer of abstraction. A small coprocessor loads up a hardware description, and then tells the FPGA how its logic gates interrelate to copy the logic of a given console or computer. That coprocessor is out of the equation once you're running on the synthesised hardware.
But is the synthesis always 100% accurate? Did they have the exact schematic with all the transistors from Motorola and just reimplemented them in the FPGA? In theory everything can be synthesized in powerful FPGAs but how accurate is it? Is there a way to compare this to the real thing?
@@klaushergesheimer8602 The synthesis is only going to be as accurate as the hardware description it's based on, but older consoles are so well known, and their ICs are entirely known quantities, so an accurate description for the FPGA is fairly easy. For example, Chinese companies have been cranking out famiclone SoCs for decades because the Famicom/NES was basically all off-the-shelf parts at the time. The Megadrive/Genesis even had hardware clones in the 90s because there was nothing proprietary inside. You tend to encounter issues with the Playstation and Saturn on FPGA because they're still being figured out, and the cores are under heavy development. The consoles are being literally reverse engineered by enthusiasts. Any arcade boards supported with a MiSTer core are well understood and supported by now, too.
@@klaushergesheimer8602 it depends on the core and the developers behind them. Some are very keen on doing component level reverse engineering or simply following official technical documentation (schematics, datasheets, developer documentation and so on), while others roll their own implementation and validate against real hardware, software emulators and validation test suites. Most of the arcade stuff and quite a bit of the console stuff, especially the around the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, is very accurate. The 32 bit I believe is mostly based on the latter approach, as we haven't seen such large scale reverse engineering of the PSX, N64 and Saturn hardware. Still, compared to both real hardware and software emulators, it looks pretty accurate. For computer stuff it varies quite a bit, some of the older computers already got all their chips extensively documented and reverse engineered, but some haven't and may use either a mix of reverse engineered and independently developed components or is almost entirely independently developed. But the really cool part is that all those cores are open source. Whenever someone finds and fixes a bug in one of the components, it usually gets ported over to other cores that use the same components. There's even an instance of an entirely new core being developed from reverse engineered components coming out as an option to an older core that mixed RE and new designs.
I have one of the Multisystems on order but have to wait until the second batch next year. I much prefer this form factor over the usual "brick" style we see in most MiSTer setups.
So I got to ask. The Mister Multi system is coming up to a year old now, any chance of a LTT annual Refresh. This year has been pretty spectacular for the Mister Project and I'm sure there are enough people in the community that would love Anthony to go and revisit the system (preferably with a CRT)
Galaksija is actually a Yugoslavian Z80 based computer design. The schematic were distributed in a magazine by the same name (to clarify, the magazine came first and the computer inherited the name) and the designer sold kits, though the computer could also be billet with off the shelf parts
Oh, what timing. I had been looking into if I wanted to build a MiSTer "Stacker" vs just getting that Multisystem board. Main thing holding me back is that they just came out with prototype PS1 and Saturn cores... but they currently require using TWO RAM modules, and it's unclear if they will be able to optimize them enough to just use one. If they need two, that leaves the current Multisystem and most other designs unable to use those cores since the GPIO pins for that second RAM module are normally used for Analog I/O.
Todays news.. the PS1 no longer needs to RAM modules to use. The creater of the PS1 stressed over and over that this was only needed during the development aspect of that core, but somehow the "two RAM modules" part spread but the "for now" part got missed. The second module held the CD image but that image is now loaded off a virtual CD image like all of the other CD-based cores do.
@@r3jjs That's great to hear, is this confirmed? Last I heard they were not 100% certain yet if they would be able to make it work from one RAM module or not. What about the Saturn core?
@@Cyber_Akuma Yes, it’s very recent news that it will be possible with just the 128MB ram module. The dev posted it on their Twitter yesterday. Also, the developer said they are now using the ARM side of the CPU to load the disc images by the way.
@@Norweeg Hmm, that makes me wonder what that means for accuracy if they are using the ARM to software-emulate some of the Console's functions like that. Mainly I wonder how it would impact games that did tricky things with the disk or games like Vib Ribbon or Monster Rancher that let you swap disks as part of the gameplay.
If you only care about things that might happen in the future, you would never buy anything. The mister systems supports plenty of cores with a single SDRAM module and always will. I don't really see an issue with what a future core might bring. I would probably just be happy with my lot and ignore the cores I couldn't run. It's a simple enough concept. I mean, everyone with an analogue IO board will have to swap if they wanted dual ram modules. Was it a bad idea to buy an analogue board and enjoy it for years?
I'd probably pass for me personally, but the lack of input lag is sooooooooooo awesome. Hats off to RMC. I'm glad there are people out there who are preserving history.
I wish I can do both like and dislike. I like the video for showcasing the DE10-Nano and the MiSTer project. However, I really dislike how little information is provided on what an FPGA really is (The short explanation is somewhat misleading as well) and what it can do. To me, I feel this video downplayed how good FPGAs are and what they can do. The FPGA chip is by Intel/Altera, but the DE10-Nano board is developed by Terasic. Someone correct me if I am wrong, I don't believe Intel owns Terasic. Also, the MiSTer project is an open source project that is being used on the DE10-Nano board and it does not come with DE10-Nano board by default (Which was kinda implied in the video).
I had long thought Intel owned Terasic (their web site implies they are not owned by anyone else), though I can say that when I ordered my DE-10 it was fulfilled and shipped by Intel.
@@alextirrellRI The DE-10 Nano exists only as a development board for Intel's FPGA. You're not supposed to actually use the DE-10 Nano in a product, only to develop the product using it before then building a custom board with an Intel FPGA. So it is an Intel product in a sense.
I've been setting this up since mine (board only) arrived yesterday (Printed the case weeks ago). A bit of a learning curve having not used MiSTer before but it's been fun just for that
@@PeterMountUK Oh, gotcha! I’m used to building a MiSTer stack with those IO boards instead of this newer all-in-one board. I thought you meant DE10 Nano board only. As it will run some cores by itself, most commonly the Sega Genesis without any add-ons.
probably already said but mister has been around quite a while, the RMC board although nice is not the only way to do it. You can get the RAM modulle, IO Board, and optional usb boards or a seperate hub along with many cases that can be printed if you look for them.
One thing worth bringing up re: polling rates is that the MiSTer supports overclocking the usb polling. You can get some really, really low latency that way.
At 15:53 Anthony says "This might be Polish" for "Galaksija", which is incorrect, it's a a build-it-yourself home computer from Yugoslavia (nowdays Serbia).
2:57 'sic' indicates you're transcribing something *verbatim* that is apparently incorrect. Should have just been an asterisk on 'Converter' or written what Anthony said with [sic] -- Anyway, always happy for a new Anthony video :)
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Note: The PCB is not open source. Sorry!
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that's sad to hear that. hope someone make an open source version of it
I'm pretty sure it's entirely based on schematics that ARE open source. The Mister I/O board, RAM modules etc are all open source AFAIK
This PARTICULAR PCB is not open source. But the Mister project board this is based on is.
it is most definitely not XD but awesome seeing some FPGAs working their way into LTT content
It's retro time!!!!! Thanks so much for looking at the Multisystem Anthony, really great to see it on the channel and hear your feedback.
MiSTer is wonderful in all of its forms.
Have the 1st orders shipped yet Neil? Was meant to be the 26th :)
Hey Neil :D
@@alessiman Bare boards went out on the 25th (as I got mine on the 26th). The others are going out as they pack & post them, or print for the cases but you should get an email when it gets sent
Hopefully one day they will cover the museum 🤟🏼
@@PeterMountUK Cheers!
ITS RETRO TIMEEEEEEE
I loved the fact that Anthony got his own Opening now
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Yaaaas dude
...is a rip off of AVGN and LJN Defender
the DE10-Nano was the same board that I used for my Computer Engineering degree. Designed and built an ARM processor from the ground up on one. Fun project. Learned I was TERRIBLE at hardware design. But yeah, FPGA, or Field Programmable Gate Array, means that you are "programming" (more akin to html than javascript) how logic gates are wired together. Given literally every processor in existence uses those exact same base gates, Its possible to build any processor or system you want.
We also used the DE0 board in my Comp eng degree and built our own cpus, was one of the most rewarding pracs we did. We also had to write a small assembler to be able to easily code for the cpu. The assembler would run on the co-processor included on the chip and send the instructions to our custom cpu via a memory bridge, it was awesome when we eventually got it to work
Yay we also used this in our Comp Eng courses to build our own CPU with a custom ISA!
I then purchased my own DE-10 nano board to prototype my final thesis project, which was a pure hardware implementation of a B-Tree of order 4. It's modelled like a pipelined CPU, with the instructions being the tree operations (insert, lookup, del)
And now it's MiSTer time :)
limited by the max clock of the FPGA board - have a learner board that is max 50MHz (just adequate for clocking VGA graphics subsystem) and another that is up around 100MHz
obviously not going to make a CPU that rivals modern CPUs (except for low end embedded), but these are perfectly adequate for all the vintage computer CPUs up to early 1990s computers
This is a project focused on game preservation. In FPGA they basically recreate hardware 1:1 so games run identically as on the original system. If a game ran like crap on the original hardware it will run like crap on the mister and that is beautiful. Every collector of old games should have one.
Really? I would have assumed that even if a retro game was very badly optimized, newer hardware would smooth out experience.
@@popenieafantome9527 The underlying hardware might be newer, but it's still "emulating" (technically not, but for ease of reference) the old hardware, worts and all. It's capable of running faster, but why would you, when the goal is 1:1 recreation at the hardware level?
@@popenieafantome9527 When you emulate a game console at 100% accuracy to the original hardware, you have to take into account all of the hardware quirks and even glitches too.
It's not even emulation.. emulation is a software thing. This is.. hardware being told to act like different hardware i guess?
I keep using "console simulator" because it basically is hardware simulated on another piece of hardware..
I tend to reserve the word "emulation" for software.. like KEGA fusion for SEGA Genesis.. and SNES9x for super Nintendo.
It will emulate it exactly at a hardware level. However, there is a turbo function on some cores that speed up gameplay. There is also an ability to change the sprite limit in some cores. This means that a game like Ninja Gaiden on the NES will run without the sprite flickering the original game had.
I'm pretty sure that SCART can carry most if not all of the following, although someone else might be able to correct me if I've made a mistake.
Analogue audio, digital audio, composite video, component video, analogue RGB, digital RGB (aka TTL RGB) digital video up to 1080p, RF, comms data (think controlling your TV through your VCR remote and vice versa) and possibly more.
Not all of those are part of the official spec, and not all of them can be used at the same time but SCART was designed to be forward and backward compatible and provide as many AV standards as possible in a single connector, hence why it's so bulky.
It's awesome to see RMC on LTT, this is an awesome project and if I had the money I'd get one.
It's true that it can do digital audio, YPbPr component, digital RGB and HD but none of that was standardised. Saying that it could do all that is like saying that HDMI can transmit PCI-E. It can and some products have used it that way but it's a hack. SCART was only spec'd for up to 15 kHz RGB and unbalanced analog stereo.
The real cool stuff was that you could daisy chain your devices through one input and control everything together. It could send video and audio both directions for recording on your VCR. It can tell your TV if your program was widescreen or not (something that can also be done with RCA cables).
@@Crlarl I did mention that not all of what I listed was part of the official spec, but you're right to mention what the spec officially supported, and that it had some really cool features all by itself.
The fact is though that a spec from the 70's was forward thinking enough to have enough pins to be able to do all of that.
I remember daisy chaining a VCR, Sky box and DVD player (later added a PS2) to our TV, and it worked perfectly for years, and with that set up we only needed a single SCART connector on the TV.
Designed by the European Union.
Galaksija was a Yugoslavian (today's Serbia) DIY computer. If it were Polish it would be called "Galaktyka", but we had computers like Elwro 800 Junior which was a ZX compatible.
I'd love to see more retro videos. It would be cool to have a retro set or something, with CRTs and all the old-school things you would need.
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There are dozens of Retro channels. Check out RMC, 8-bit Guy, LGR, Adrian's Digital Basement, etc...
They are not processors, they are programmable gate arrays! You can program them to do specific functions, this input through these logic functions and there is your output. You can use them to compute, but they are not computers ;)
Those non adhered lines are what we call sacrificial layers, normally used for long overhangs like that!
You have a funny way of playing with semantics. Clear, but not clear lolz
@@sjoervanderploeg4340 It's just bridging yeah. Still, I wouldn't like getting something 3d printed which had that kind of bridging. A quick touchup with a heatgun can get them to adhere. Or print the case with the externally facing surfaces on the build-plate and use supports. Also they seem to print these in 0.3mm layer height which will have much more obvious and saggier bridging.
FPGAs are Field Programmable Gates Array.
Meaning you can program it to do any logic or instructions in the field, as longs it fits in the array.
Being slower than a dedicated logic chip, in a equivalent tech tier, and more expensive, they are limited to application where or you need the FP part or making a dedicated IC isn't worth the harsle.
But if you use it like logic chip you miss out on the parallel functions, real parallel function unlike cpu, which physically are limited to one function at a time, its at a highclockspeed but when conpared to doing everything parallel its slower by miles
We miss you em.
As a huge fan of Neil’s from RMC and Anthony’s from LTT, I loved this video. I’ve already built several MiSTer systems and I’ve ordered the black version of this console case and the custom multisystem PCB, as well. Looking forward to putting it together when it arrives.
Honestly, just give this man his own channel already... And a team of people.
... And a raise.
...And a fricking Porsche.
Second
He doesn’t drive
@@ricktifferpowers1762 Still.
Just give it to him.
He’ll figure it out!
@@ricktifferpowers1762 a self driving porsche!!
And my axe.
15:53 Galaksija is actually from former Yugoslavia. It was a kit computer first featured in a Yugoslav computer magazine Računari, designed by a brilliant guy named Voja Antonić...who was something of an Anthony of that time :) It struck me as a weird synchronicity that Antonić's computer listed would catch Anthony's attention for some reason.
wow this is soo niche even between retro game enthusiasts, seeing on LTT is amazing
It's awesome to see Anthony enjoying the MiSTer FPGA! RMC and Richard put together a really nice unit with the multisystem, though if folks just want to get started with using FPGA- all that's really needed is the De-10 Nano itself and a recommended 128mb stick of SD Ram (~$75) with a cheap OTG usb adapter for connectivity. You can put together the other pieces of your kit over time like a nice case and SNAC adapter, etc. For the first year I owned mine I actually used an old Samsung cellphone box with holes cut out in the sides for ports. Just make sure you have a heatsink and fan and you're good to go. ^-^
Friggin awesome you tried the XE-1 AP controller with it! Those are truly pieces of history and helped shape what would become the modern analog controller. The version of Afterburner for Genesis you played is based on the original X68000 port of the game, which will be playable in it's full glory soon as that core (Sharp X68000) is getting a lot of attention from our devs currently.
Happy holidays and thanks for taking a look at MiSTer!
While true, I've almost spilt my drink on my DE-10 so many times that I'm really looking forward to getting the multisystem and putting it somewhere away from my drink. ;)
I also bought a USB hub board and it broke within a week. :( Not at all comfortable having the USB OTB hub hanging off the DE-10 that I do now as those ports are notorious for the solder joints breaking.
So if you want it to last, I think the multisystem is the way to go.
Hi Anthony, The case was designed to print without supports so it saves a lot of waste plastic and time for the top section.
Still a little strange to send the case to the customer with sacrificial layers of that kind. Supports could have been painted on in the slicer sparingly to reduce the bridging distance significantly and only taken a few seconds to remove in post processing.
As soon as the Algorithm introduced me to the MiSTer last month I knew Anthony was going to do an episode on it. Good to see it!
Also, the "MiSTer" itself is a big community project, "MiSTer Mulltisystem" is just THAT board carrier board and case, don't mess up the crediting please!
As someone from the UK where SCART was used, it was a hellish connector. Huge.
Yeah but we got RGB natively built into our televisions..... meaning we had a superior video quality . Only on scart socket 1 tho on most teles
Not to mention it would come loose and I had so many cables where the pins got pushed in when trying to plug it back into the TV. HATED the connector, but the functionality was great.
Yep, it could definitely come loose. Sometimes I had to give it the wiggle so it was plugged in properly.
love scart! meant we didn't have to live with sucky composite and nearly all our tvs and lots of our devices had rgb!
Love me some SCART. Sure, it did have tendency to come loose if disturbed or left hanging (as it often was), and the pins did bend easily. All that could be quickly and easily fixed though and for that time it meant we got the best experience.
Wouldn't want to go back to it though.
That surface on the inside of the 3D printed case doesn't look like a layer adhesion issue to me. Rather, it looks like they decided to print the part right-way-up, and all that underneath is bridging without supports.
This is correct.
Yes it's a bridging issue. There is some support when you use the recommended support settings in Prusa but to get it to print without the layer issue it does need a little more than Prusa suggests by default.
Great to see RMC and LMG together. Anthony is a tech god.
This is my 2nd MiSTer. I think this board should have shipped buy now as I was one of the 1st 500 in the the initial order
The MiSTer is a great project. It is expensive compared to say a Pi set up but it is so much better IMO (I have both). You can start with just the DE10 nano, though that restricts you from using some cores, which takes the price way down. And as it's modular you add in parts as you go along, the memory module is probably the first addon to buy as it opens up a lot of extra cores.
It's advantage over Pi is the lack of lag due to emulation being in tin rather than in software. It also run's old PCs very well. If you find Pi gaming just doesn't 'feel' right this is likely a good alternative. It just feels like you are playing on an old system directly, especially if you run it on a CRT. It's so good my Pi setup and original consoles don't get touched these days.
Always great to see the MiSTer get more love. This little device is the gift that keeps on giving with every awesome update.
The MiSTer is one of the greatest retro gaming devices I’ve owned in a long time. Mine has got daily use for the last year or so, and the great thing is that it’s constantly getting new cores and other updates. I recently added a MT32pi add-on peripheral and now I have true Roland MT32 and SC55 audio for the computer cores like the 486, Amiga and Sharp X68000!
Recently the Sega Saturn and PS1 cores that are in development have had amazing progress. I’m really looking forward to them!
Lol are you me? I've got everything you've mentioned
@@PingPong85 It’s the best setup that I think the MiSTer offers! Sadly my Analogue Super NT and SD2SNES rarely get any use anymore now that I have a proper MiSTer setup, but I still cherish it.
@@Norweeg shout out to Jotego
@@PingPong85 Jotego has done so much for the MiSTer community! 👏
I have one on order and live in the UK, so will have a use for SCART on mine to use with a 21"CRT. Great to see that you have had one and the SNAC adapters look really cool. Hoping to recieve my Multisystem in the next few weeks. Great to see you covering some more Retro gear.
That totally should be the main intro for this series . Love it!!
Anthony hosting this video was great. Tech Sempai + Retro Gaming tech = wiinning.
Sent over by RMC? Excellent channel.
I still remember Anthony's first video. Love watching gear explanations with him. Linus found a real gem in Anthony.
Didnt expect to see RMC mentioned here, the MiSTer is a really cool project.
The bg music was fitting and made this feel like a comfy episode :>
Based on comments here, people seem to have understandings on how FPGAs work. FPGAs, juste like CPUs, are integrated circuits. But unlike CPUs, they don't run programs, you describe their logic, just like a processor as a logic baked into it. Basically, an FPGA (Field-Programmable Gate Array) is a "reprogrammable" CPU of sort. This is called *hardware description", it is much closer to actual hardware design than computer programming. Since you can describe exactly how its logic will work, an FPGA can reproduce the logic of any other integrated circuits, including CPUs, GPUs, and more (albeit, generally at lower frequencies).
Now, why use an FPGA ? Well, firs off, theoratically FPGAs can run as many logic in parallel as you wish as long as they have enough ressources to do so (flip flops, LUTs, DSPs, etc.). Another advantage of FPGAs is that just like Anthony said, you can prototype with them. Integrated circuits are cheap, FPGAs are expensive, but if you want to do a custom chip, it's gonna be very expensive to put that into production and not very profitable if you don't mass produce them. Whereas any FPGA can just reproduce the logic of that dedicated integrated cricuits. In short, for small scale custom hardware or prototyping, FPGAs are much cheaper, but once you start to scale up, it can become more profitable to just start producing your own dedicated integrated cricuits. I have also heard that FPGAs are more resilient to cosmic rays and radiation in general (bit flips) and therefore are preferable in space.
Using a mouse on an SNES is unnatural.....like witchcraft......electronic necromancy
I'm glad LTT has someone that's focusing on all this retro stuff; it's right up my alley
FPGA's are programmable logic IC's. You can basically create your own logic circuits like a CPU, GPU, complete Retro games consoles, sound chips, all within the FPGA by using HDL (hardware discription language). It can also be multiple separate circuits within the chip, the freedom makes it awesome, and the IO pins are assignable as In/out/bi. You can have multiple clock ins and outs. Some even comes with integrated ADC. Most of the are volatile, but there are a few non-volatile as well.
At the end of the day. FPGA's are awesome.
Fantastic video! Thanks a lot, Anthony and Neil "RMC The Cave"!!
It being sold in the UK, makes scart make sense. Here in the UK ALL retro tv's here use scart and some more modern TV's usually have scart or component in it's array of ports. Even our Nintendo Wii's came with component-Scart adapters.
RMC FTW! Great to see you guys work together Anthony!!
Calling the scanlines basic, and then the same day as this video is released MiSTer added awesome shadow masks
Nice to see the MiSTer showing up on here. Good job guys
videos hosted by Anthony are just perfect 👌
Does anyone else start to do Anthony's little "I get to play with this nerd toy!" smile when he does? Love watching this type of content but not many give off the joyous energy anywhere near as well. Positively infectious!
Price wise it would have been great to compare this to something like the Super NT or the Mega SG both of which use FPGA technology also. I think that would give people a good indication of where it sits in this particular market. If you just wanted to play say super Nintendo games that's $200 for an Analog product. If you wanted to play Genesis games that's another $200 for an Analog product. The MiSTer please dozens of systems for the price of just those two.
Modding original hardware to work with HDMI is also an option, but also expensive.
This is definitely a product for an enthusiast but it's not the most expensive way and enthusiast could go about playing these games.
I mounted my DE10 nano in a cheap ITX PC case and it worked out wonderfully.
I’m sure the FPGA is a great deal in the league of enthusiast builds but the price is still pretty prohibitive. I mean I’m the guy who gets the analogue MD and runs it with the Game Gear adapter with original carts. I have found it much more fun to fiddle with the Retropie and that runs PSP games almost native for 30-80 US on my HDTV. Apples to apples the Analogue systems are a joke price and this is almost there. I like where we are moving but when you add all the snacs and upgrades you’re not saving that much money on this setup
There isn't necessary much purpose to adding HDMI support as many of the older systems either look just fine with a cheap HDMI converter or require a CRT to get the desired effect. The Sonic games are a good example as they use dithering that doesn't work right without either a CRT or special code to emulate that as well. Not to mention the relative expense of getting a light gun equivalent that works on non-CRTs for lightgun games.
Mister has been the best retro gaming device I've ever owned, & its constantly getting better & better.
Now I want a whole "Retro Time" series with the intro this video had.
Ooh, this is very tempting. I've already got a MiSTer, but that breakout board has a lot of cool functionality.
I love how Anthony can command my absolute attention while also saying things I don't understand in the slightest.
I love that Anthony was the one who reviewed this. Perfect fit! I wish it was more than an unboxing video, but I should probably manage my expectations given that is what this TH-cam channel is all about. I really hope you all give it a whirl in the office and do a deeper dive video on the Linus Tech Tips channel!
I really enjoyed this want to see more of this type videos with Anthony
Anthony has so much knowledge on so many different areas of computing. Respect.
Wasn’t expecting to see a heber board on your channel. They make different types of MPUs in the U.K. market and no doubt the rest of Europe for arcade / casino (fruit) machines. We’ve boards that are 20 years plus old and still running strong
Was not expecting RMC and LTT to cross paths but I'm not complaining
I think something you missed was the difference of hardware emulation vs software emulation. The FPGA uses actual gates and logic to emulate hardware at a circuit level with millions of programmable gates as software emulation does not benefit from the bare metal of an FPGA
And the real benefit besides the completely accurate emulation is no input lag and the weird bugs/issues that come with software emulation on itself
@@islandboy9381 Well while I agree that Mister is the most accurate thing next to real hardware, but there are modern emulators that can be very accurate without noticeable input lag but they are very demanding with everything set up to highest accuracy. Most of emulators are set up by default to be playable on an average PC with all the 'tricks' like frameskip and stuff. Most people don't like to tweak settings and want everything to work out of the box.
Software emulation can potentially do that, the issue is that the amount of processing power it takes is stupid. BSNES does a pretty good job of emulating the entire SNES system, but the hardware it takes is pretty crazy compared with the hardware it takes to emulate the system without bothering to emulate everything.
Mister gets around that a bit by just reprogramming the chips to just behave like the real ones sot hat hopefully you get an effect similar to the original. At least that's what happens when the work is completed carefully, some cores are still in development. I'm looking forward to getting mine tomorrow.
@@mattx5499 The problem is that with anything less than 100% accuracy, you're going to have games that don't look quite right or that have weird bugs that are introduced that need their own patches. It is usually good enough, but something like mister should avoid those issues.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade I'm emulating SNES on Mednafen which is multiemulator and I can't tell the accuracy quirks because I never had opportunity to use real console and I don't know how to spot the differences. The experience is good. I think that only titles that used some special capabillities of the console may have problems. The PSX emulation on Mednafen is known to be almost perfect.
Legit, the coolest thing I have seen on the internet this year.
Video Game Lawers: Ahh, after 10,000 years I'm free! It's time to end the emulators!
LMG: Linus, the video game lawyers have escaped! Recruit a retro game guru with attitude!
Anthony: 00:00
You can use a Bliss USB adapter if you want to mix serial controllers. I use a Saturn controller for Genesis and Neo Geo, SNES for SNES, GB/GBA, etc. That setup requires a small bit of daisy chaining (Just the Bliss adapter doesn't work alone as a serial device) and needs their own modified versions of the cores but they work great
I've been interested in FPGAs recently, and this came at a perfect time. I do wish we got something a bit more substantial than a ShortCircuit video, though.
There’s a ton of deep dive videos out there about FPGA retro gaming and specifically the MiSTer. Unfortunately I think that going deep into it is not the core audience for this channel or LTT.
I think the video's fine, this is a 17 minute video as it is.
I would recommend the RMC channel introduction to MiSTer.
Anthony, thank you for this retro vid! I’m still feeling a little starstruck after bumping into you at Costco! Thank you for all the wonderful content, and being the tech wizard that you are!
Yay, more Retro Time with Emily! This should seriously be a dedicated series.
This guy's the best. Even when I totally don't care about the topic of his videos, they're always entertaining.
Okay, I would like to file a complaint to upper management.
Why does Anthony not have all the things to fully test a retro console? When you look at Alex's workstation/workshop....
I mean, y'all can't get Anthony a CRT with scart, zapper gun, and all the things.
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I'm guessing Anthony hasn't asked for it? Linus has been willing to dump money into anything that offers more content
think he has RGB modded CRTs at home, lol. he said he has stuff with SCART connectors at home
@@wrentheenby Sure, but they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (at least) building machine shops and now test labs, they can afford to spend a few hundred bucks to build a retro gaming test station.
Nice ...as an RMC fan I love this ..got up at 3:10am for a poo then noticed this .. gotta be up at 5:30am for work but had to watch.
The Mister is pricey until you compare it to the equivalent retro systems, consoles and computer it can play, scalers, cables, and Everdrives/ODEs. It's a bargain then, with the Multi-System or by itself.
Hell you can get a mister set up for about the price of a good MVS.
All you need is a DE10-Nano and a 32MB memory stick. If you want CRT monitors you can use direct video with a cheap USB to VGA adaptor. A digital IO board will give you the SNAC option if you need original controllers. Absolutely no need to spend a fortune on a full setup for most people who just want to play games via HDMI with USB controllers.
@@NerdENerd neo geo won't work with less than 128. But yes, everything else can be done for cheaper.
@@aliabdallah102 about 40 games in the NeoGeo library will work with 32MB and about half of the CPS2 library will be fine. Every single other current core will work fine with 32MB.
Or to the Analogue FPGA clones, where Mister does what all of them do combined and more.
I have very fond memories of going over to my neighbor's house and just watching him play Super Mario World on the big TV for hours. The game itself was memorable, but the thing that really stuck with me was the sight of the cartridge art in the SNES, something about it is just so nostalgic. CDs and downloading games will never match that physical charm of the cartridge. 😥
For those not clear on the difference between FPGA simulation (I prefer "synthesis", since you're synthesizing the original hardware) and software emulation, FPGA is able to achieve higher accuracy because it's not a general purpose computer running a program that approximates the behavior of original hardware, it's unallocated hardware logic which is arranged by a description fed to it into exactly the same hardware that was in the original console or computer. That is to say, if you're synthesising the Megadrive/Genesis with a Motorola 68k processor and a Yamaha YM2612 sound chip, those chips are actually there inside the logic array, the array just needs to be told what logic goes together to be those chips.
A game program might run linearly, piping data to the sound, then the graphics, then checking input, and so on, and that's a layer of abstraction all consoles and computers have. When you add a software emulator running on a computer to that, the emulator is also running linearly, with sound, graphics, and input routines that are basically taking turns using the hardware underneath, so when you press a button on your controller, it's only getting picked up the next time the emulator checks input, and then it's being passed to the game, which is only picking it up when the game checks input. That's simplified to the point of inaccuracy, but you get the general idea, I think. Synthesising it in FPGA removes that second layer of abstraction. A small coprocessor loads up a hardware description, and then tells the FPGA how its logic gates interrelate to copy the logic of a given console or computer. That coprocessor is out of the equation once you're running on the synthesised hardware.
But is the synthesis always 100% accurate? Did they have the exact schematic with all the transistors from Motorola and just reimplemented them in the FPGA? In theory everything can be synthesized in powerful FPGAs but how accurate is it? Is there a way to compare this to the real thing?
@@klaushergesheimer8602 The synthesis is only going to be as accurate as the hardware description it's based on, but older consoles are so well known, and their ICs are entirely known quantities, so an accurate description for the FPGA is fairly easy. For example, Chinese companies have been cranking out famiclone SoCs for decades because the Famicom/NES was basically all off-the-shelf parts at the time. The Megadrive/Genesis even had hardware clones in the 90s because there was nothing proprietary inside.
You tend to encounter issues with the Playstation and Saturn on FPGA because they're still being figured out, and the cores are under heavy development. The consoles are being literally reverse engineered by enthusiasts. Any arcade boards supported with a MiSTer core are well understood and supported by now, too.
@@klaushergesheimer8602 it depends on the core and the developers behind them. Some are very keen on doing component level reverse engineering or simply following official technical documentation (schematics, datasheets, developer documentation and so on), while others roll their own implementation and validate against real hardware, software emulators and validation test suites.
Most of the arcade stuff and quite a bit of the console stuff, especially the around the 8-bit and 16-bit eras, is very accurate. The 32 bit I believe is mostly based on the latter approach, as we haven't seen such large scale reverse engineering of the PSX, N64 and Saturn hardware. Still, compared to both real hardware and software emulators, it looks pretty accurate.
For computer stuff it varies quite a bit, some of the older computers already got all their chips extensively documented and reverse engineered, but some haven't and may use either a mix of reverse engineered and independently developed components or is almost entirely independently developed.
But the really cool part is that all those cores are open source. Whenever someone finds and fixes a bug in one of the components, it usually gets ported over to other cores that use the same components. There's even an instance of an entirely new core being developed from reverse engineered components coming out as an option to an older core that mixed RE and new designs.
I have one of the Multisystems on order but have to wait until the second batch next year. I much prefer this form factor over the usual "brick" style we see in most MiSTer setups.
So I got to ask. The Mister Multi system is coming up to a year old now, any chance of a LTT annual Refresh. This year has been pretty spectacular for the Mister Project and I'm sure there are enough people in the community that would love Anthony to go and revisit the system (preferably with a CRT)
The Mister is so amazing, love it! Highly recommended for those who can't spring for OG consoles/CRTs.
I'm a simple man. I see Anthony, I click like.
excellent showcase of the SNAC Anthony.. great use of some strange original controllers.. nice!
Anthony is just goated overall! Really enjoy him on the channels
Terrific video. What is also terrific about the MiSTer project is that it is continually evolving. Check out the recent PS1 core work.
To feel more nostalgic, this video should be only viewable at 144p
Galaksija is actually a Yugoslavian Z80 based computer design. The schematic were distributed in a magazine by the same name (to clarify, the magazine came first and the computer inherited the name) and the designer sold kits, though the computer could also be billet with off the shelf parts
Anthony really needs to do a collaboration with the My Life in Gaming guys
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A pleasure as always sir, thank you!
Oh, what timing. I had been looking into if I wanted to build a MiSTer "Stacker" vs just getting that Multisystem board. Main thing holding me back is that they just came out with prototype PS1 and Saturn cores... but they currently require using TWO RAM modules, and it's unclear if they will be able to optimize them enough to just use one. If they need two, that leaves the current Multisystem and most other designs unable to use those cores since the GPIO pins for that second RAM module are normally used for Analog I/O.
Todays news.. the PS1 no longer needs to RAM modules to use. The creater of the PS1 stressed over and over that this was only needed during the development aspect of that core, but somehow the "two RAM modules" part spread but the "for now" part got missed.
The second module held the CD image but that image is now loaded off a virtual CD image like all of the other CD-based cores do.
@@r3jjs That's great to hear, is this confirmed? Last I heard they were not 100% certain yet if they would be able to make it work from one RAM module or not.
What about the Saturn core?
@@Cyber_Akuma Yes, it’s very recent news that it will be possible with just the 128MB ram module. The dev posted it on their Twitter yesterday. Also, the developer said they are now using the ARM side of the CPU to load the disc images by the way.
@@Norweeg Hmm, that makes me wonder what that means for accuracy if they are using the ARM to software-emulate some of the Console's functions like that. Mainly I wonder how it would impact games that did tricky things with the disk or games like Vib Ribbon or Monster Rancher that let you swap disks as part of the gameplay.
If you only care about things that might happen in the future, you would never buy anything. The mister systems supports plenty of cores with a single SDRAM module and always will. I don't really see an issue with what a future core might bring. I would probably just be happy with my lot and ignore the cores I couldn't run. It's a simple enough concept. I mean, everyone with an analogue IO board will have to swap if they wanted dual ram modules. Was it a bad idea to buy an analogue board and enjoy it for years?
I'd probably pass for me personally, but the lack of input lag is sooooooooooo awesome. Hats off to RMC. I'm glad there are people out there who are preserving history.
I'd be interested to see Linus play Mario on the MiSTer. I haven't seen many people as sensitive to input lag as he is
So much content, love you, Antony
*Braces for the people to say "I'll stick to pi, it's cheaper"*
Just found this site today, and I truly love its content. Thank you for your awesomeness
I would trade my wife for Anthony.
your wife would trade you for Anthony
@@misterjib ngl I think she would
I cant help it, but I like Antony the most. He is not overacting like the others do, he knows his stuff and is just more human-ish.
I wish I can do both like and dislike.
I like the video for showcasing the DE10-Nano and the MiSTer project. However, I really dislike how little information is provided on what an FPGA really is (The short explanation is somewhat misleading as well) and what it can do. To me, I feel this video downplayed how good FPGAs are and what they can do.
The FPGA chip is by Intel/Altera, but the DE10-Nano board is developed by Terasic. Someone correct me if I am wrong, I don't believe Intel owns Terasic. Also, the MiSTer project is an open source project that is being used on the DE10-Nano board and it does not come with DE10-Nano board by default (Which was kinda implied in the video).
I had long thought Intel owned Terasic (their web site implies they are not owned by anyone else), though I can say that when I ordered my DE-10 it was fulfilled and shipped by Intel.
@@alextirrellRI The DE-10 Nano exists only as a development board for Intel's FPGA. You're not supposed to actually use the DE-10 Nano in a product, only to develop the product using it before then building a custom board with an Intel FPGA. So it is an Intel product in a sense.
RMC gave the option of buying with or without the DE10-Nano
We had SCART in the US. It's referred to as EIA Multiport here. It is rare but you'll occasionally see it on older high-end CRTs.
I always love your content, Andy! As far as the Mister project, LGR nailed it!
RMC(well... device at least) and Anthony in a video - instant upvote!
One of the best videos on here I have seen in a while
Anthony just doing Anthony things and simply existing make my day every time.
I've been setting this up since mine (board only) arrived yesterday (Printed the case weeks ago). A bit of a learning curve having not used MiSTer before but it's been fun just for that
Pick up a 128MB RAM add-on and you’ll be set to run any core, even the Neo Geo which is so good it’s cycle accurate!
@@Norweeg The board has 128Mb on it already, that's what's on that section of the board you can replace
@@PeterMountUK Oh, gotcha! I’m used to building a MiSTer stack with those IO boards instead of this newer all-in-one board. I thought you meant DE10 Nano board only. As it will run some cores by itself, most commonly the Sega Genesis without any add-ons.
Get the update_all script and run that. Basically a one stop shop for your setup.
I love that you guys let Anthony talk about retro games more and emulation! Also can we get a Linus banana XD I'd buy that.
LLT videos are the only videos that I never skipped the sponsor section.
Finally, Ive been waiting for a mister video for like a year.
I don't even care what the video is about lmao, if Andy is in it, I'm watching. Andy you're the best!
probably already said but mister has been around quite a while, the RMC board although nice is not the only way to do it. You can get the RAM modulle, IO Board, and optional usb boards or a seperate hub along with many cases that can be printed if you look for them.
One thing worth bringing up re: polling rates is that the MiSTer supports overclocking the usb polling. You can get some really, really low latency that way.
At 15:53 Anthony says "This might be Polish" for "Galaksija", which is incorrect, it's a a build-it-yourself home computer from Yugoslavia (nowdays Serbia).
2:57 'sic' indicates you're transcribing something *verbatim* that is apparently incorrect. Should have just been an asterisk on 'Converter' or written what Anthony said with [sic] -- Anyway, always happy for a new Anthony video :)
Anthony being a gift to humanity once again. Just give him a bi-weekly show or something.