Decoding History: In Search of the Real Jesus | Parable
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- The stories of Jesus Christ largely derive from the gospel: his miracles, resurrections and teachings all are quoted from the Bible. But what can history tell us about this legendary figure? The first century historian, Flavius Josephus, is the most frequently quoted scholar when it comes to the history of Jesus' time. His descriptions of historic events give us a clearer picture of Roman times. But are these historical accounts truly an accurate picture?
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So, a documentary about Josephus, labelled as a documentary about Jesus (which didn’t even answer the central question).
Erm... It did. Even if Jesus of Nazareth did exist he wasn't ever a god and people who were mentally ill subsequently created a death cult. What more do you wish to know?
@@vebesese5632 Since you made a declarative assertion Jesus wasn't God, the onus or burden of proof is upon you to prove this.
@@vebesese5632 And how were you around His followers then to diagnose if they were mentally ill or not and you aren't certfied to diagnose them anyway.
@@vebesese5632 🤫
@@vebesese5632 claiming themselves wise they professed to be fools
this is probably the case. Josefus didn't write those words. I still think that Jesus, real or not, has an important message, but not the way the Church has transmitted it.
Well, you would be right. Most of what "Christian" churches now teach as doctrine is not in the Holy Scriptures (the Bible), but was adopted, after debate, around the 4th century, much of it beginning at the instigation of pagan emperor Constantine.
@@keetrandling4530 lol idk where you got your history and theology from
I believe Jesus taught very similarly to The Buddha, simply nested in different cultural hues and a different time.
On of my favorite quotes from Josephus is about Noahs ark... and how he is amazed that people were still visiting it even in his day..also mentions that folks were taking away pieces of the ark even then...
@@hrmn4694 Former History teacher here, and also spent two summers studying archeology in Cyprus at a site mentioned several times in the New Testament (Acts): Actually, there are parts of Josephus' writings that are clear and obvious forgeries (change in writing cadence, verbiage, obvious bias, etc. For instance, pertaining to Jesus, Josephus barely mentions him except for basically saying he is a teacher who "claims" to be the Christ, whereas the obvious forgery of Josephus' writing(s) says that Jesus "is" the Christ. Josephus would NEVER have said that!! He was commissioned by Rome to simply chronicle the history of the Jews, not offer opinions, and had he written a statement like that, it would have cost him his life! Clearly then, a Christian writer added that later). However, by and large, both religious and secular scholars still regard Josephus as the premier source of that time. Point of fact, specifications that he mentioned about Masada (but hadn't been found and by which people used to dismiss him), have in fact within the past two decades been excavated and found to be exactly as he described!
Josephus falvius said that Jesus was the Christ. But Josephus also says vespasian Flavius is the messiah in the book wars of the Jews. So is Jesus the Messiah? Suetonius & tacitus says the same thing
@@mastermasonhiramabiff2538 Sorry the references to Jesus in Josephus, Seutonius and Tacitus have for some time now all been proven to have been fraudulent add ons to the original texts done by the CHurch to shore up the credibility of their religious tracts. There are even whole total fraudulent writings by the CHurch like the Letter of Pilate to the Emperor where Pilate goes on about Jesus.
Why didn't any Roman's write about Jesus? They had plenty of people writing at the time. I'm just curious.
@@vardekpetrovic9716 Oh please, I implore you, give a citation for THAT assertion!
How much writing do Americans have about random individual Afghan or Iraqi common citizens? Now how much of that will survive 2k years? He didn’t have an army, lead a revolution, or evade capture during a manhunt. He was just another normal meaningless common “criminal” to the Roman’s.
alugwin archaeological findings and writings from that era doesn’t show any findings but then religious people will twist every small detail as much they can to prove that. It happens to with all religion.
Anyways even if they find someone this name doesn’t mean he was son of god. As bible is full of factual mistakes like earth is the center of universe. It’s like writing a really good literature on acid or 🍄.
It’s a good read as novel though. ✌🏽
A Roman Historian and Senator actually did write about Jesus. His name was senator Tacitus. Read more here > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ#:~:text=The%20Roman%20historian%20and%20senator,work%2C%20Annals%20(written%20ca
His account should even further strengthen the actual existence of Christ because he himself was not a Christian and for a non-Christian to write about Jesus' existence during that time has more strength to it.
Joseph A. He was born 56 died 120 ad. Assuming he started writing at 20 he would it would still not have any substantial proved for Christ simply stories which have been told by others. But go on
Seriously?? Josephus is the only mention of jesus outside gospels??
What about
1) Tacitus
2) Pliny the younger
3) Lucian
4) Seutonius
5) Babylonian Talmud
6) Mara bar serapion
7) Celcus
None of those have actual references to Jesus. Some refer to Christians but nothing specifically about Jesus. One mentions Christ but not “Christ” as in a god. It’s referring to a good person. There is evidence for John the Baptist but not Jesus. Most of those sources are written after the gospels and some based off them. So it’s circular to use them as a source. You can’t prove the Bible using the Bible.
If someone doesn't want to believe he will find a way to not believe.
8) The Qur'an
Tacitus literally names "Christus" and Pilate
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Agreed!
Does Jesus exists?.. Absolutely No. Evething is just a Caezar creation..
may i for what purpose?
Find this passage where he describes Jesus and then read the couple paragraphs before it. You'll quickly get a feel for his writing style and you'll realize that the part with Jesus was added later on and that he never even heard of the guy
I am not certain, but I think that this passage was edited later on during the Council of Nicaea under Constantines authority with a few powerful bishops. There was so much confusion at that time amongst Christians and that council really solidified and gave way for the Catholic church to spread. There is so much conradiction in the Bible, specifically the new testament and they needed to add extra layers of authority from history to justify their claims about a man that nobody writing the bible has ever met. Wild shit.
yeah i thought it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was a fraud done by the Church some centuries after Josephus wrote his Histories
I believe in Jesus Christ and he still does exist he’s alive today in the holy name I’ve got in the Holy Spirit sometimes I look at this and I don’t believe her because you question if he was alive or he was a myth
For me he’s for real life and the holy name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Lol dummy
Personal emotion and feeling can't change a fact
Every legend and myth is found on a truth of sorts... Robin Hood, King Arthur, Achilles and so on, are all no doubt based upon a person or more likely persons from some period in history. I’m sure that there was a Jesus, a preacher and wise man, a great speaker and a person that people of the time looked up to and followed his teachings... son of god, raised from the dead, well we don’t see people of that nature today, so why then...?
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Yes mithras horus and appolonia
cause he was the Son of God. So why should we see people of that nature today if they aren't the Son of God?
I think Mary cheated on Joseph and her lie got a tad outta hand...
exactly
Probably Joseph was old and that's why Mary found someone younger and more athletic. I completely understand it 😝
@@worldcitizen9847 maybe Josephus was athletic, but the other guy had munay
@@canonjean-mignon4985 The other guy was an Angel. And we all know how beautiful they are?
@@worldcitizen9847 especially after a drink or two
It's common to find unverifiable stories from antiquity. If we " believe " ( from the word " lief " which means " to wish") in just any old thing, we're justifiably accused of being credulous and naive, but if we question the most common beliefs in the society in which we were born and still live, we're condemned and ridiculed. I advocate actively researching and questioning everything for one's self, while respecting other's right to believe in whatever they wish. Myths were the language of the ancient world that conveyed larger truths by means of the fictive: literature, myths and legends.
Everything I've seen outside of Josephus is various people in the late 1st and up to the 4th centuries mentioning Jesus and they all said they "heard" this. I believe there were several Jesus figures back then who were preaching love so how do you know which one they're talking about? The show notes that some of these sightings were reported 60 years after but it was much longer, like 100-400 years AD. The Catholic Church has benefitted in innumerable ways, and forced people to pray the way they wanted them to, because of the way the Bible was written. The Pope said you couldn't get to heaven unless you did it the Catholic way. I don't doubt that the Italians took the original Bible (it's probably in the Vatican) and rewrote it. We have no traceable idea who wrote the 14 original books that were supposedly not included in the Bible or who wrote the passages that were deemed worthy by the Catholic Church. We have a pretty good idea that Moses must have written Exodus and Deuteronomy. But the Bible has been translated, edited and modified for 2000 years. If true miracles were being performed, if someone had been raised from the dead, I think hundreds of people would have written something down (yes, they could write) or sent a letter or clay tablet to their relatives or friends telling them about it. But something like this has never been found.
Josephus falvius said that Jesus was the Christ. But Josephus also says vespasian Flavius is the messiah in the book wars of the Jews. So is Jesus the Messiah? Suetonius & tacitus says the same thing
If Jesus did not exist, why would Josephus mention him at all? Why would the gospels also mention him? Why would Christians be willing to die in great numbers in Rome because they believed Jesus existed? This show is skewered and offers a one sided POV, IMO.
Josephus wrote more than two generations after the supposed life of Christ, so not a witness in any sense, so irrelevant.
I will concede all day long that a normal man/men may of been the basis for the Jesus character.
But the Jesus as depicted in the bible...no way he existed. No scholar or historian worth his salt will attest to that.
And not that i need them to tell me, but it helps in the credibility department. Theist's however, have their work load ahead of them trying to show the Jesus as depicted in the bible is even a plausible hypothesis. Good luck with that.
Yes jesus existed he was just a spiritualy perfect man with perfect spiritual stability and strengh, its about time we new the truth about jesus, if this were not true i would have told you so😀
Muhammad surely talked about jesus many times
That's exactly like we talking about Columbus. Theres a 600 year timeline in between and there was no internet or phones to keep up with original stories.
They are origin from the same religion. So muhammad mentioned of jesus carry no historical weight.
Muhammad was 600 years (!!) after Christ...Christianity was well established by then so what is the point of mentioning this in relation to proving if Jesus existed or not?
@@Sjimbwow that Jesus lived on in history hundreds of years later even a prophet named Muhammad who didnt believe in the Holy Trinity but still proclaimed Jesus Christ. The difference in religious beliefs but Jesus Christ was known by all....
Even the Devil knows Jesus exists!
Why is everyone so strung up on the comments we shouldn't be attacking one anothers beliefs or opinions!
Where is humanities common sense people
@@vio19848 I'm not attacking. Just questioning. This is a video 'did Jesus exist' so we're discussing on that topic. Again: in the discussion of proof of the existence of Jesus, there is no point calling Muhammad as this was 600 years later which disqualifies him from this topic.
The fact that people are talking about this at all proves a man named Jesus actually walked the earth. People just fight over who or what he really was. So did he exist. Im convinced he did. Up to you to believe the rest. My beliefs are my own. I chose wether to believe or not. What will you choose? Free will is a bitch ain't it. I love you all, bless.
People will probably still be talking about bigfoot, too
In this video Parable video they try to state there is no sure proof of Jesus existance. In other video they try to prove they found Jesus grave....LoL. Obviously it cant all be true
Its just easy if there are archeology about pontious pilate then there will be jesus
He did exist. I won't get into detail here but jesus answered my prayers. He helped me with depression and school. That is enough evidence to convince me that he's real.
I’m a survivor of the Christian cult. I remember as a kid, they’d bring up Josephus as other than Biblical “proof” that their Christ existed.I called shenanigans then, and I call it now.
Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the younger, Babylonian Talmud, lucian, and others. Sorry but you’ve been tricked.
@GOD The Creator My Sunday school teachers and religious school teachers would be amazed to find out they had a kid in their class that didn’t exist. Thanks, numbnutz!
And it is most certainly a cult.
@GOD The Creator My Sunday school teachers and the teachers at Heritage Christian school weren’t Christians? I’d tell my parents to get their money back if they were alive.
So totally a cult. The Romans AND Jews considered it so. Just because it’s bigger doesn’t make the fact less true.
@GOD The Creator Absolutely. Every “believer” in the adult Santa, aka god, is a cult member. Who said anything about cannabis? And yes, regrettably I was a christian until I got old enough to distinguish reality from fiction.
Jesus did exist 😂😂
The validation of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ is the fact that Christianity be came one of the three major religions in the Western world within a few hundred years of his death. That more than one billion people in the world today worship him suggests his existence was rather convincing to lots of people. If you wish a more persuasive argument, please read “Mere Christianity” by C.S. Lewis.
Or Hyam Maccobi
Josephus was the only sane person of all of those Jewish zealots. Those guys absolutely wasted their lives.
Please do one on Mohammed with pictures and dramatised content... If you guys are brave enough.
dont you dare provocate a quater of worlds population sicko
I love you're three decades late on being what Americans call enlightened.
It's already been done...And it's kind of filth.
Is it truly enlightened to do this "documentary" but not one on Mohammed?
1 billion Muslims isn't a quarter of the world's population and there are more Christians in the wotld than there are Muslims.
Whether people think he's real or not if he was fake why would we have so many churches? And why would we have saints the first saint was Saint Peter And Peter was Jesus Apostle Also why would we only be I the year 2021? It's clear time started from when Jesus was born and its been over 2000 years what are the chances of even a piece of stone surving from those times.
@alugwin Churches date back thousands of years ago and McDonald's started 1955
We can trust Josephus. That's aside from the point, as he didn't write that comment.
We cannot trust Josephus as he is contradicted by archaeology and also he didn't write the comment about Jesus.
@@andyboa8107 Thank you. Yes, it's an unmistakable interpolation. That leaves no testimony outside the Bible.
@@andyboa8107 Do you like Richard Carrier's work?
@@2Hesiod There may be something in the line about James the brother of Jesus. Also Paul's mentioning James the brother of Jesus.
@@andyboa8107 Sounds like grasping at straws to me. Jesus is very thoroughly mythical and not the slightest historical. Carrier deals with Paul very well.
I love it when something starts like someone making a huge mistake. Nazareth was not created until 300 years after Christ - ergo could not be Nazarene. In the time of Bethlehem Jesus, there was only one in the kingdom of Galilee in Galilee, and that of the Parthian Empire. The other Bethlehem only became its original name Beth-lomon 400 years later. This is Bethlehem, which has already been renamed by Christians, next to Hierosolyma /Lord Falcon/ now called Jerusalem . I would watch this video - what the Romans wrote. And calculate T.J. Did Flavius write about Christ or not? Is Jesus Historical? What Do The Romans Say About Him?
who is that white man depicted as Jesus who grew up in the heart of the middle east?
Color matters to simple people..
What matters is the Word Jesus preached. What matters is the message..
White people existed and also lived all over the Mediterranean. White people were in Egypt and somehow at some point ended up on the Japanese islands. WAY WAY BEFORE JESUS. So, that white man is most likely an Arab man, but if he was white it wouldn't be unheard of. Bet you didn't know peoples skin changed color over Melenia due to environmental factors. So where there was once a dark skinned person may have lost some pigment over time, cloud coverage and all. Or, maybe god just made us one day. Either way, you're an asshole
Isn't the oldest corpse found, that of a white man ? chap that was found in ice, well before the time of the bible, as Deacon stated, skin pigmentation changes with the climate, the white man been around a lot longer than you think.
@alugwin Otzi....The Iceman.......5300 year old corpse, found on the border of Italy and Austria, I'd say that over 3000 years was enough time for the white man to reach the middle east.
And there’s a lot of people wearing white clothes in this vid... damn racists!
Not even gonna watch, but judging by all the Josephus comments you're almost there. Will it help to learn that Constantine was also a Flavian?
As times go by, your works will as well be deciphered hope the people of the time won't label you as liers
I had never heard the full story of Josephus before. Very interesting.
Jesus is not his real name. JESUS is romanized word of Hebrew Letters יהשוה. John (or) Jehohanan is real name. See in Link ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehohanan )
John or Jehohanan is mistakenly known as Jesus, Who is preacher a Noahide Laws to Gentiles, Then what is Noahide Law. The 7 Laws of Noahide should follow by the Gentiles to get salvation and to Enter in the Kingdom of God in this world. Jews are chosen people of God. They should follow 613 Commandments according to Torah for their salvation and to get in God's Kingdom. Soon God's kingdom is going to Establish in this world by Messiah/Christ that Era is known as Messanic Era (The Era of Peace) King Herod want to kill Jehohanan known as Jesus because of political Situation.This man is crucified in Roman control Israel. It is accounted by Jewish historian Josephus. Then how he got the name JESUS, Jews mentioned their God name in four letter tetragrammaton יהוה YHWH when this man (JEHOHANAN) Know as Jesus came to preach the 7 laws of Noah to Greeks and romans in Israel.Jews mistakely thought he is preach Jewish doctrine to non Jews.
He came for salvation to Gentiles through 7 Noahide Laws.
Shin letter is made of 4 Yuds and 3 Vavs has numerical value 58. Number 58 is also numerical value of Noah / Grace. Noah and Grace are mirror letters in Hebrew(נח) Noah (Noach) (חנ) (Chen means Grace in Hebrew) Grace. So Hebrew letter ש is put in the middle of Hashem. we got YHSWH/יהשוה is not pronunciable for general reading. To make it readable one Sounds of יהשוה of Hebrew letter form is taken in account. YAHSHUA is for formed.Later it is most romanized as JESUS.
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Because you don't study history. Every thing is hidden in history. That's how people are fooled, not knowing their history
Seems to be, may have been.... a Christian scribe?
Like always we end up with question rather than answer.
Agreed
Erm... If you need an answer before watching you're obviously American.
Even if Jesus of Nazareth did exist he wasn't ever a god and people who were mentally ill subsequently created a death cult. What more do you wish to know?
@@vebesese5632 how does someone become an authority on this topic such as you?
@Stephen Bishop its more of ontological arguments rather than socio economical , mythology existed before history .
If you need to ask the question, you need to ask your self why am I asking it in the first place.. faith is a power thing that’s why each and everyone of us need someone to believe in us in order to feel love and belonging...believe because he believes in you.!🙂
There is no jesus as the letter j is a relatively new letter. Thus it is a different name and person altogether. Before j he was iesus and iesous in Latin and Greek which is from the Aramaic Yashua/Yeshua. Ultimately as the Abaryth/Hebrew Messiah, the Son of Daud/David, from the clan of Yahudah, he was born with the name Yahusha 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏 which Declares that YAHUAH 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 Saves!
“O Righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I Knew You, and these knew that You Sent Me.
“And I have made Your Name Known to them, and shall make It Known, so that the Love with which You Loved Me might be in them, and I in them.”
YAHUKḤANAN (JOHN) 17:25-26
𐤔𐤋𐤅𐤌!
If Jesus died for our sins, what happened to all of the sinners before Jesus came along? Did everyone just end up going to hell?
The Bible says no one can take the punishment for someone else’s sin. How did Jesus die to save sinners with this being said?
Deuteronomy 24:16
Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.
We are not born into sin and are not guilty of sins of their fathers or Adams transgressions- Deu. 24:16, 2 Chron. 25:4
I find a contradiction when Christians say ''You're born a sinner' yet another verse states ''we are fearfully and wonderfully made''??
Many Christian religions believe that we are born in sin due to “Adams Transgression” yet though this is a common belief someone else’s choices cannot make you a sinner. When one is born they are without sin. We learn this in Moroni 8:10-21
"If someone else causes to murderer another person does that make me a murderer"?
Death, not torment in a fiery hell, is the penalty for sin. “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”-Romans 6:7.
"Death is sin. Romans 6:23. Yet not all deaths lead to sin and not all sins leads to death".
"Do you believe you are a Sinner in the hands of a angry God?".
There's a problem with the nar·ra·tive theory of the conceptive teachings found when it comes to the thought of original Sin debts for all of humanity". Jeremiah 31:34.
Take away the miracles, take away apparent birth right, take away the only one person to name him outside the Bible. I would say he was a kind, compassionate and charismatic man…….charismatic….ain’t that an anagram of Christmas….just saying.
He wasn’t born on 25 December and no date is given anywhere. It was impossible for the Magi and shepherds to have been there on the same night e.g. the Magi followed a star that only appeared upon his birth. The two gospel accounts of his birth conflict - how? The only witnesses were his parents. Who delivered him?
The Basilica of the Nativity was apparently built on the site of the stable. How did they know over 35 years later, where he was born? It would have been developed. Downstairs you can kiss the exact spot where was born……how can they prove that?!
The four Gospels were not written by the names given to them and written forty or fifty years after his supposed death. Why take so long to record such a famous person?
Emperor Constantine created Christianity by issuing an Edict of Milan in 313 and proclaimed himself to be one. It was created to subdue great civil unrest to give the Jews somebody to believe in.
There are other examples of the story we are given that just don’t make sense.
Maybe this is over simplifying, idk, but what does he gain from lying? Obviously what he gains from the lies about himself are a better account of himself, something we would all find useful. But what does he gain from lying about Jesus?
Jesus's Existed and his nothing but A Good Man and A Son Of God..cause who would be still soo kind after he was crucified..and Cheated death..sorry iam not a Heathen I believe there are powerful Beings out there..but I just lost faith..
"This is the only reference outside the New Testament"
Umm... no.
Can you name another?
I was very much under the impression that it was proven that Josephus' alleged reference to Jesus was a later Church fraudulent addition to Josephus' original text...no?
This little video doesn't prove anything. Those who know Jesus, and the fellowship of Jesus, and the presence of God need no persuasion as to weather or not Jesus actually existed. I mean those who go into their pray closets a meet with their Lord and Savior, and his very presence is truly realized. these people here believe so highly that if someone put a gun to their head they would rather die then deny the one who has saved their soul from every lasting death. It's too bad though that Christianity in America as a whole is a joke, and needs a new reformation.
it is not the only non-biblical reference of Jesus...The only thing the History Channel doesn't have....History
Herod was a Roman they didn't wrote about Jesus to prove that there is existing Jesus the son of GOD if they roman wrote about Jesus of nazareth
If you want to know if Jesus Christ lives, keep his commandments and you will receive a confirmation of it. Read the Book of JOHN.
How do archaeologist differentiate bones belonging to women, men and children when they failed badly at talpiot tomb?.we want answer scientifically proven.
I see all kind of theory about christ yet no one can come to the truth about who christ was the Bible is the only written manual that connects us to God through christ but because of unbeilf person are scratching around for answers when it is all there in writing..
All of Josephus's writings had to be approved by Vespasian a roman emperor...So the question is would you trust a roman emperor whose agenda was to subdue the Jews....
DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU ARE REFERRING TO BLACK OR WHITE JESUS.
Jesus was not black or white.. Hr would have been of mediterranean tone.
@@alangervasis POSSIBLY 💁🏽♂️
4:20 .. why am I laughing loudly😂😂😂..
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apparently what a coincidence...😁😁
I think I’m getting a large Josephus poster and maybe a puppet as well for the bathroom.
What you should know that he was a Roman collaborator and helped Romans commit genocide against his own people😳 you sure do really pick some winners
Josephus never met Jesus either and also had his own agenda. he was also was currput do your history on everything
There are 11 people that wrote about Jesus. This dude doesn’t know what he is talking about.
We get a title if jesus was exist and show no proof but in the end yes there was by gospels who we doesn't even knoq the authors...i don't know this man in this documentary is an atheist both believer of sci fi characters
Josephus was the biggest bs artist that ever lived or lied! The only survivor of Masada give me a break!
Just get to the Point already
I am a Hindu but I smell mischief here!😂
Aka luciferian
how can jesus claim he is the messiah and then deny that he is the messiah
So you quite convincingly prove that there is no reliable evidence of Jesus outside the bible, and so we really have no idea if he existed or not, and then at the end you say he's great and so there IS proof of Jesus in his writing? I mean if he didn't exist, then Christianity is based on a story at best. So I see why you don't want to conclude that is the case. But your whole programme said that it IS the case
This Suicide story sounds very very familiar… LOL
Thank you for 'Quality Documentary Historical Information' 👍
Start talking about the sumarians, why are they so missing from history??
'King Jesus' a novel by Robert Graves presents a fascinating, though highly unorthodox narrative in which Jesus is shown to be the legitimate "King of the Jews".
Diesnt fky. Because jesus never fit any of the expected messiah roles...especially death
JESUS WAS SPOKE OF IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. GOD SAID I WILL SEND A REDEEMER...
Unless there is a strong evidence,i am not believing jesus existed.
Ok, go and make a programme about Mohammad. Did he exist?.
Im on. the fence because. This show is busiest to the Jewish faith...
It's a complete lie that only Josephus mentions Jesus outside the gospels. Tacitus contemporary with Josephus mentions Christ. Literally just Google does Tacitus mention Jesus and it will show you.
Tacitus doesn’t mention Jesus, but in any case he wasn’t contemporary with Jesus, so he was commenting on what others were saying. He personally had no knowledge.
Did you actually read the entire passage of Josephus, does that phrase even belong where it is,? It seems like an interruption to me.
Wiki says NOPE.
While I was looking at utube regarding pharaoh's carvings I realized everyone was bearing a ring and cross, even carved letters, at their bottoms alway cross connected to ring,
How this later developed in Christianity that every one has his cross...
cross is crucification method of Roman Empire. why you mingle these things.
I think Jesus was just a man. Who had a following. That's all
Josephus testified that Jesus existed. Vespasian commissioned Josephus to write a history to develop the imperial line of succession for the Roman republic.
Josephus never testifies to the existence of Jesus.
This episode should be about josephus rather than Jesus.
No he did not.
To understand the stories of Jesus, one has to understand the writer and the time he lived in. Those who contributed to the story of Jesus were the same people who wanted to restrict access to the bible for the common people. They regarded Jesus and his followers as “SINNERS.” Thus he gave his life for the sins of man. Though it’s highly likely that most people were sinners....it’s definitely not what Jesus died for....He died so that those who seek truth and righteousness can live. He was probably the first major leader of the protestant movement.
Have You ever considered that it was allowed to edit the nt while the ot couldn’t be changed?
@@canonjean-mignon4985 Only those who had access to the bible had the ability to change it....and those who had access wanted to keep their power so they can take advantage of those who did not have access. Many Europeans fled Europe to America because of religious persecution....that’s why the US put so much importance on religious freedom.
@@heavensent88 religion is not a result of some deluded worshippers, they are the target group.
Christendom was created by astrologers, writers and rich ppl with Roman citizenship
@@canonjean-mignon4985 When you label yourself a Muslim, Christian, Taoist, Hindu or whatever.....you reject everything else with a different label....you corner yourself.Once you are cornered you are ready to fight to death.
The writers were liars.
That's all you need to understand about them.
Wow
No birth date, no burial, no remains, no Jesus
Who would seriously believe anything a roman said !
Why not?
Jesus existed, but not as long haired white dude.
Ugh. Please stop click-baiting.
Are you really asking this!!!
Islam given by an angel
Bible if any angels come to give prophetic statements they are not of God
No angle would give such inhuman directions to mohammed as islam has.. I think it was a Gin.. that took the shape of an angle and possesed mohammed..
Ha ha ha. Where is the proof that an angel came to Muhammad the child rapist?
History doesn’t deal with angels and visions, You guys need to chill. The Quran doesn’t care at all about the bible of today - it’s so obvious.
@@canonjean-mignon4985 to bad they deal with hate....ask the 5k females a year stoned to death if Muhammad cared.
@@johnw3078 no thanks, I gotta go
Do you exist? Just got to bash Jesus, don't you?
Flavians wrote the new testament so I've heard 🤫🤔
I saw a bit of that and in isolation it seems compelling but ultimately seems false
At best, Josephus wrote about Jesus decades after he died and doesn't really serve as any more than proof the Jesus myth was spreading around the area. The oldest manuscript we have for Josephus is from the 11th century, making it extremely likely that Christian scholars/monks added in the reference to Jesus in later copies of the book. This was a fairly common practice and wouldn't have been a surprising thing to do.
God exists because nature cannot create biological life from scratch.
@@daogdaog Prove it!
@@HelloThere-xx1ct biological life has coded info. Only intelligence can create complex coded info. Mindless nature cannot do it using random.
@@daogdaog Prove it. Cite one single scientific paper that shows intelligent life cannot come about naturally.
@@HelloThere-xx1ct you can verify it yourself by creating a Bible just by using random letters. Use your brain. A cell is much more complex than the arrangement of letters.
It doesn't matter whether Jesus really existed or not when you can filter through the dogmas created by the early Christian Church in the Gospels there is a good message
Excellent point and I'm in complete agreement!
Agreed
You obviously have not studied the history of the early Christian Church or the NT in depth but I respect your opinion the main thing is that we love our neighbors as ourselves God Bless You Its OK to disagree
I think the confusion here, and hence the agree vs. disagree, is because if you re-read the original post and replies, there are fundamentally *two* questions being asked, and herein, I agree with both parties. Thus, the questions are: 1) "Does it matter if Jesus existed or not in order for the Gospel(s) to carry a good message?" To this I agree with Ruben and say, "No. A solid teaching is a solid teaching. Period." Question 2) Lynda's reply slips in the additional theme of salvation (which Ruben never mentioned), and asserts that Jesus is "the one who saves your soul." With this I also concur, therein agreeing with both parties who might otherwise look at odds until you take a step back and see that the original post was only addressing "if Jesus had to exist in order for His teachings to be meaningful," whilst Lynda brought in salvation by which the Bible teaches that Christ is, "the way, the truth and the light." As an extra side-note, I do have to deviate a bit on my second agreement and concede that I believe that we will see people from other faiths on the other side of heaven's gate because even though they might not have professed Christ as their "Savior," there could have been any number of mitigating circumstances why this might have been (the famous question posed here of course is always, "What about the people who died without ever hearing the Gospel?). To this end, I would like to think that the Lord is rooting for more people to join in paradise than not, and as it is *He* who will stand as judge, as always, let our first and greatest task be to love each other as commanded. Blessings to you all!
I don't worship Jesus I worship God because worshiping Jesus is Idolatry please read and examine exodus chapter 20 please I'm sorry for the confusion I follow the Jewish ✡ faith 🙏 God Bless You
Tacitus is also generally assumed to refer to Jesus. Also, Suetonius is thought to refer Jesus, but it is disputed.
No not disputed at all but proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the references to jesus by Seutonius and Tacitus were fake additions by the early Church to the original texts by those two historians.
Simcha really lives up to his name
The title is really misleading. Its more about Flavius Josephus than Jesus. Anyways, it was a good watch.
It was added after Josephus died, dimwit. Wiki.
@@martinkent333 dimiwit watch the fucking video.
I watched a lot of this series when it aired in the late 2000s
Simcha!
Did you exist Jacobovici ?
What kind of stupid question is this
Maybe they came from Israel
They wore them like ear rings
He is as real as the tooth fairy....
Therefore Jesus never existed
There are a lot like Tacitus
"nearly all historians...accept that a human Jesus existed...."
from Wikipedia
Historicity of Jesus
The question of the historicity of Jesus is part of the study of the historical Jesus as undertaken in the quest for the historical Jesus and the scholarly reconstructions of the life of Jesus. While the Christ myth theory proposes that Jesus never existed, nearly all historians reject the Christ myth theory and accept that a human Jesus existed...."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
1 Timothy chpt.1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
I'm halfway through the show and sobfsr I have not heard any mention of the fact that most scholars now recognise the testimonium Flavianum as a later interpolation by a Christian scribe. I am certain at least Steve Mason would have told you this. Let's hope you get to that later in the episode, but honestly all this talk about whether Josephus is reliable is irrelevant if that one tiny passage was added centuries later.
PS finally, we get to this in the nineteenth minute! Glad you included Steve Mason's analysis, but he is not telling you this is "controversial" as you say, he is telling you that Josephus didn't write it.