BMW 6 Series HOW TO BUY A GOOD ONE - E63 E64
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- Want to buy the brilliant BMW 6-Series? Put off by the horror stories of the N62 V8 engines such as Valve Stem Seals, Coolant Transfer Pipe and Oil Leaks? This video gives you FIVE simple things to check if the N62 is in good fettle WITHOUT TOOLS OR DIAGNOSTICS. Although this is for the E63 and E64 this video is relevant for the complete range.
We also look at the other expensive problems such as the GEARBOX, SOFT-TOP and WATER LEAKS
#BMW6er #BuyersGuide #BMW650i #TimmsBMW
Intro 00:00
Most Important Engine Check 01:41
Coolant Check 04:28
Stem Seal Check 06:59
Oil Smoke or Steam? 08:17
Valvetronic Checks 09:45
Engine Noises 10:33
Oil Leaks Vacuum Pump 13:00
Road Test Gear Changes 14:03
Road Test Acceleration 17:18
Road Test Oil Smoke Test 19:28
Water Leaks into Cabin 20:53
Check Soft Top Operation 23:59
Roundup 25:54 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Tim, bought a 650i today and did all of these checks (apart from the roof as I bought a coupe), really gave me peace of mind! Very informative and I am extremely happy with the car after driving it 150 miles home. Very appreciated video
Glad it helped James!
Hi Timm this is Alvin your number one fan. This is a super GREAT VIDEO. Thank you for helping all of the 6 series owners with ALL YOUR VIDEOS. You have the BEST 6 series videos on TH-cam.
ALVIN! Good to hear from you and thanks!
Love all your videos Timm. Highly educational and enjoyable! I bought a 645ci last week and I am really happy to watch your content. Greetings from the Netherlands!
Thanks Ismail, and greetings from England!
Certainly wish this would've been available when I bought mine! Great job!
Next time!
What a bloody brilliant video thanks very much! Going to look at one tomorrow to replace my E46! Fingers crossed!
As always, great insight into the do and don'ts of looking after your dream car. Thank you once again.
My pleasure Michael!
Another very detailed and valuable video Timm, great work
JP
Thanks again John!
Great video !!! Thanks so much for
Another fantastic video for the N62! Thank you for these!
Glad you like them!
Very helpful! Thank you for making this. I am looking at one this weekend. 🤞
Glad it was helpful!
Great information thanks for sharing
Perfect timing for this video! I just bought a s62 650I :)
Hope you enjoy it!
By far one of the best and informative videos on buying a car. Thank you!
Very kind of you!
very informative video sir!
Excellent video. Going to look at one over the weekend. I wasn't sure on what to look out for but this video gave me great insight. Thanks for a great video.
Glad it was helpful Sherry!
Being in the market for one of these vehicles, this video is golden. Greatly appreciated.
Thanks Steven!
Excellent, well presented easy to understand, very well explained. Keep them coming.
Thanks Ric!
Brilliant video. Looking into getting a 6 series so the tips you've shown will definitely come in handy. Great presenting style too so gained a subscriber!
Glad it was helpful Mike!
Hi I’ve talked to you before and now there is a great example with great service history for a great price . I’m not sleeping !! Thanks
Hope it goes well!
Thank you very much for your valuable tips about the BMW 👍
My pleasure!
Definitely the best detailed video I ever seen on a car
Glad you liked it Joey!
Great video Timm. Your the man.
Thanks Naeem!
Very helpful thanks very much 👍
Thanks,great video!!!
My pleasure!
Thanks for the brilliant video
My pleasure!
Great video, thanks
Glad you liked it Vadik!
Very helpfull video, thank you
My pleasure Denis!
That is a lovely car Timm! Great video thanks. 👍😀
Thanks Kev, and great to hear from you!
Great video. Your car is in impressive shape. It shows how well you like your BMW.
Thanks Alejandro and good to hear from you!
If only I knew all that info back in 2014. Great tips.
Glad it was helpful Martin!
Thanks for your info
My pleasure Miguel!
Greetings from New Zealand. Thanks for your wonderful video. I learnt more in this video then I thought possible. Hence I subscribed :)
Thanks Howard, greetings from England!
Excellent information. 👍
Glad it was helpful Roy!
Great video!
Thanks Emiliano!
Hi Tim from down under, I've owned a 2009 MY10 E63 for 10 years and love the machine, it really is a wolf in sheep clothing and is a great car. Thanks for this great video, Im going to replace my coolant fluid immediately, as my service guys have put green coolant in the rad!
Can't trust mechanics these days!
I'm checking my rear view mirror. No Old Bill, right, floor it! WOW!
Great video and excellent info. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Necessary video. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, Sir!!!
You are welcome!
Thanks Tim! You gave me confidence, so I just bought a 50K miles (rare) manual 2007 650i in Glacier White. As you mentioned they are more expensive in the U.S. than the U.K. but still remarkable value vs. new cost. Mine has the full leather dash, winter package, 20' wheels and upgraded stereo - lovely interior and difficult to believe it is 14 years old. The only thing that gives it away is dated iDrive, CD changer in glovebox and somewhat dated mirrors. The mid-range acceleration is intoxicating, yes - it can do 0-60 in a hurry but it almost feels indecent. It compliments my 2017 330i wagon (estate) daily driver.
Well done Stephen, good buy, I hope it keeps going for years!
Nice job old chaps . Sorry I had to say that straight away before I go to bed , heheh 🤭
This video is a gold mine for future buyers like me (I'm looking for a 645 E63).
Just saw one in a garage this afternoon and didn't know all these tips. I declined the offer because of not regular idle rpm (not 700 to 1300 but not straight 700 as I expected).
Anyway, I'm still looking after the good one and stay with my 330 Xi E92 (272hp).
Congratulations for your video, helps a lot 😉
Thanks Walter - best to give that one a wide berth, might have been an easy fix but not worth the worry!
Very good condition! Fabulous ability of you is good performance.
Thanks!
I love watching your videos on BMWs even though I haven't owned one for about 15 years. My e320 mercedes has 152k miles and the engine runs smooth as silk. Doesn't seem to burn any oil. I should check on the coolant. I have never ascertained if I have the correct type for it. I like the smoothness of it even though it has the 'AMG sport appearance package with shorter stiffer springs.
Mercedes doesn't use struts, on most models, so I do remember the 530i I had handled much better.
Maybe when my mercedes gives up the ghost I'll look for another BMW.
Love your videos!
Thanks Werner, you are always welcome here!
24 hours too late! I bought a 650i yesterday. Didn't check coolant colour or the checks behind the oil filler cap. Will do tomorrow though! Thanks for the content 👍
Don't panic, I'm sure you got a good one!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation how? How did you know that?! 😳
Lovely advice, if i ever get a 645ci/650i will use this as reference,
Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
This is great, your is fantastic watching thanks a million,am actually trying to invest in one but trying to get the right one and place this is my worries,but thank you for your video absolutely amazing.
Thanks Tonero!
Ur the goat dude I’m 18 with a 07 650i taking in all your tips 💪🏻
Thanks Rocco, all the best, Goat!
looking to buy one in the us soon. thanks for the vid!
Hope you enjoy it!
This has to be one of the very best videos to help a buyer not mistakenly purchase a bad vehicle when it comes to the major components. Thank you so very much, I will use all your tips when looking to purchase my 650i..oxoxoxoxXX
That's very kind of you Holly!
nothing wrong with Gomma G48 really! nice vid as always though
I found this channel via your website. I'm selling my 650i and wanted to know more about an oil leak. Thanks to you, I can see it's a vacuum pump leak. After watching this I wish I knew this before buying! That being said, the one I'm selling appears to be quite a good example - I wish I didn't need to sell it. 650i's really are beautiful cars.
One day, I'll get another BMW, and I'll be sure to check out your website & channel for advice.
Cheers from NZ.
Thanks!
Another great, informative video, thanks Timm. Current owners can use these checks to keep an eye on their 650’s health as well - maybe catch something early and prevent a bigger repair bill. We’ve had late snow here in Colorado, so my 650 is keeping warm in the garage while I drive the Jeep through the slop. Watching your simulated road test made me miss driving her. Looking forward to the drive into work tomorrow morning!
Thanks DJ! And good to hear from you!
Thanks a bunch
My pleasure!
Superb channel
Thank you Owen!
Good job .. congrats :D
Thanks! 😃
Currently on the market in South Africa looking for the 2005 650ci. Very helpful video. Thanx!
My pleasure!
you have very nice car!
Thank you
Thank you too Vlad!
Wish this had been made two years ago. Great video. I hope others wont buy a lemon like I did!
These cars are extremely fickle. I thought I had also bought a lemon 2004 645ci vert about 10 years ago. Constant issues the first year of ownership. With a bit of patience, research, and low cost DIY repairs I still have that car and she performs 100 X better at 110k miles than she did when I bought her with 69k on the odometer.
She's still a little quirky once in a while with throwing lambda codes but 8 times out of ten she's a good driver.
@@gotmylk I agree. I bought an 06 650i with 72k. BMW had to do the valve seals free to me. So that was that. At 120k I had to change the mechatronic solenoids. Every time i fix a coolant hose another starts leaking. As for a drivers car. She's just as nice as Tims but I deleted the mufflers and now she sounds like drivers car....
@@DiZZoLabs I've always debated the muffler delete on mine. They do sound good without them. I have a C5 Corvette with full "race" exhaust (Kooks long tube headers and off road xpipe through Borla Stingers) for when I want to make noise and drive fast. So kept the 645 more refined.
Blast! Sorry to hear that!
Looking at a 645ci today thanks for the info.
My pleasure!
Hi Timm, new to your channel and greatly impressed with this review/tech check,
Always very wary of mechanical soft top roof cars, a friend of mine bought an Audi convertible and the roof went sour in the first month of ownership.
The car had to be low loader delivered to repairer with the roof half up, and that is a quality car so wary, as the saying goes, OK whilst it's working!
The BMW M6 I used to own had probs with water in boot with the battery half submerged, the cabin area was fine.
The front axle had a section of the alloy break off and that cost a lot to replace and I was informed that it was not my fault!
So beware, the M6 went and looking at 650i now but still having doubts after warnings from you guys on line as to engine probs, perhaps I will just stick to my 30 year old 325, cost hardly anything apart from servicing in the 24 years I have owned. Well done on this, great viewing and superb car.
The right 650i will last for years!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation Thanks Timm, appreciated.
Thanks Tim, I enjoy all of your videos. I have a problem with my 2008 650i convertible the top won’t close after driving with it down. Have to wait about an hour to close it.
Check your outside temperature reading - they can misread and then disable the soft-top
Absolutely fantastic video. I’m thinking about a 645 and have come across a O4 manny up for sale about 1.5 hrs away. 95k on clock but MOT history mentions oil leak as an advisory for past 3 MOTs / few thousand miles. Does that sound bearable or walk away?
Wish someone came up with this video before I brought mines... Unresolved misfire due to valvetronic lift wear... Took my baby to p&r bmw they adjusted the sitting position of the eccentric shafts... Starts nice in warm weather cold u have to keep foot gently on accelerator till car warms before driving... Once warm it's good... I fell in love with the wheels n just brought it... But I look after it well tho n have learnt a lot in my ownership
Well, at least you are still driving it!
Saw u this morning on the A3 going south of Borden nr the roundabout... I was in the sainsbury's truck opp side :-)
Spies everywhere! Good to hear from you Jonathan!
Great video I'm looking at an 2007 650i convertible with 140,000 miles its in pretty good shape engine sounds good, but I did see some grayish/white smoke at first stop sign he said it does it when it's cold. Also had a rough shift once during the test drive I'm going to do these checks today after work thanks!
Hope it went well....
Did you purchase the car
Thanks Timm for the straightforward guide...just wondered a coupel of things - first about how important it is to start the car from cold both for smoke and checking inside the oil cap and second about checking electrics, beyond seeing things work are there any other electrical gremlins. thnaks for all the info, gives me some reassurance about goin gout looking for one...
It is important to do the things in the order I presented - you need the engine cold to check the oil cap and coolant - and then check for smoke on start-up.
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation thanks for confirming
Planning to look at a 2007 BMW 650i with 87,400 miles today. Thank you for this great buyer’s guide!
Glad it was helpful!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation After inspection, the story here is one of neglected maintenance.
I could not get the oil cap off, but the (low) coolant appeared to be green. Cosmetically a bit neglected but no body damage or rust. Both upper headlights (turn signals?) were very loose. Molding around the windshield rotted and wiper blades needed immediate replacement. Windshield sprayer not working - not sure if it was the pump or just no fluid. Needed windshield washer fluid and wiper blade refills.
Interior was a bit tired although no tears. Many cracks on the upper dash (car was from a hot climate). No evidence of water leaks but I did not check thoroughly. Started well, no smoke (I did the steam/smoke test.). BUT, as soon as I put it in gear, transmission malfunction warning. I drove it a mile up the highway under reduced power, turned around, and drove back. I may have tried to buy it cheap if not for the trans failure. Pretty sure the guy would have sold for $5000USD, but the trans failure is just too scary, so I passed. 🙁
I did not try the top or windows due to the transmission having already scared me off.
Finally, the ergonomics of the car were very claustrophobic compared to my E38. Difficult to see sides and rear with the top up, with small side view mirrors.
I went back and successfully did a transmission ECU reset. Did a top/window test and those functioned normally. Car drove better but was still somehow uninspiring to drive.
I think I would pass on that one, even for 5 grand, transmission problem was probably low battery voltage but you don't need to chance it as it sounds neglected!
So it’s 2024 and I’m thinking about buying 2012 650 xdrive with only 60,000 miles car fax is clean shoes history of maintenance but I’ve been told to stay away from those then been told there good cars if taken care of. Of course I’m going to get the extended warranty if I purchase but I’m very nervous of the stories I hear but excited about the good things I’m so confused
Hi Tim great video. Looking to buy a 2010 635 d convertible - low mileage- any tips?
I used all of your tips Timm to buy myself a 54 plate 645ci coupe, and as said I used all of your tips, so Thank you for this video 😂
Thanks Damian, glad it all helped!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation it should be me Thanking you sir, as I am smitten with my old girl, and she had a good run home as I bought my car in Basingstoke and drove her first up to Corby which was around 180 miles that day and then another 330 miles back to Scotland the next day. And it has a good spec with pro logic 7 stereo satnav, the sunroof nappa leather sport seats, 19” wheels, power fold and anti dazzle dip mirrors dynamic package, shadow line trim, the cam chain has been done an oil leak fixed and she only has 110000 miles on the clock, and if it wasn’t for your channel I don’t think I would’ve got such a nice example so once again thank you
Hi timm - really enjoying your content. quick video idea here: What types of options is it possible to get on the e62/e63 and which one should you look out for?
Anyways cheers from denmark :)
Thanks for the suggestion!
Another brilliant video, keep them coming sir.
Would you consider a 635d for the economic factor and ability to do longer trips? I’m an expat in Germany and love to travel down to the south of France or Italy.
I’m looking for an average mileage e64 635d hence my point above.
Cheers George
Yes, absolutely, but my own thoughts are just go for the biggest one - economy and big cars don't go well together!
Excellent video! 👍🏻🙌🏻 Are the tips valid for other BMW-engines as well? My takeaway: ”Follow the fluids”.
Is that about right?
Yes Paul, the same method can be used for any BMW - following the fluids works!
Hello Tim I am glad I found your YT channel as I need help about my next car.
I was very interested about the bmw 630i, but I do not understand the differences between this model and the 635/645/650.
Can you tell me if the 630 would be in some way 'cheaper' than the other models, and which one you prefer?!
Regards,
Davide
Hello Davide, it's all about weight and performance - if you want the same performance as a 650i then you would use the same amount of fuel in any car weighing about the same. Of course, you don't get the same performance in a 630i - but that's the point, if you want performance get a 650i - and then you have the option of saving fuel by driving slower - you don't get both options with the 630i!
My last name is Timms too!! I was born in London, but moved to the states when I was quite young but I still have some family there.
My last name isn't Timms though!
I think the main moral of the story with these cars is either deep pockets or learn to twirl spanners quickly 😂 i have owned a 645ci for 4 years ...didnt know a car could have so many tantrums ..but we have reached an understanding now 👍...i twirled spanners ..it behaved 😂
Keep up the videos Tim 👍
Good man! If you think the 6-Series is finnicky you ought to try a V8 E32, now that was fussy!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation nice vehicle ! It gives a car soul when you work on them yourself😊 keep it up Timm 👍
Thanks for the reply about the throttle pedal, I gave it a bit of welly on the way home this evening, first time I have gone full pedal to the floor and I was very pleasantly surprised, wasn't expecting it to be that fast, it was properly quick! Makes a nice noise too once it's high up the rev range - on a separate note my glovebox doesn't open, the button depresses but there is no click or anything, is there some type of lock on it. There is no key as you know on the button, so wondering what's happened?
Hopefully by now you will have found the lock in the rear of the centre console underneath the lift-up cover!
Nice 840Ci too!!!
Thanks!
I bought mine last summer with 75k miles and all prior maintenance performed at the dealership. I have rough gear changes when the car is still warming up, then they smooth out after driving for a bit. The plan is to change the transmission fluid and filter, hoping that will do the trick to get smooth shifts no matter what!
You've been given a warning of failure - do something about it: th-cam.com/video/YIAzc3qgoF4/w-d-xo.html
Good afternoon to I want to tell you that I love watching everyone of your videos . So far I purchased a 2008 650 in the United States and I am a $1000 in for the vehicle
Great to hear, and thank you!
Great video Timm, I changed the gearbox in mine 90k miles , much smoother change. Always change 'sealed for life' BMW gearbox oil at around 80k, had a 535 and X5 boxes go at 100k.
Need to check all those points on my car now!
Good morning Timm. I love this video. I will actually be looking at a 2008 650i convertible tomorrow. Midnight metallic blue with saddle brown interior. I will be playing this video as My Wife and I inspect the car. This car has 88,000 miles on it, and according to the Car Fax report it has been very well maintained, it has not however had the transmission fluid changed. If the car shifts buttery smooth, should I go ahead and have the transmission fluid and mechatronic seals replaced as a preventative measure, or wait until I notice even the slightest bit of hard shifts? Thanks a million for your great advice.
Yes David, always a good plan to get the transmission fluid, filter and Mechatronics seals changed!
Just bought a 2008 E64 650i, greyish/blue with black hood and very nice it is too. I must say, watching all your videos convinced me to go for the 4.8l instead of the 3.0l and very glad I did. One thing that I must address is the very long accelerator pedal, it seems like you put your foot about 20% down and not much happens, then vroooom..! I was thinking of getting a gearbox and engine remap from DMS to give it some extra response, thoughts ?
The throttle control is adaptive, once you start giving it some welly it will get a lot more responsive! The car needs to drive like a luxury car sometimes, hence the long pedal until you start pushing it.
The 630i is the best because the engine is less complicated
Thinking of getting one. I’m a bit worried because in a crash over a decade ago and the Carfax doesn’t show any major upgrades to parts such as the ones you’ve mentioned…. maybe I won’t get it then.
Just bought a 645ci. It’s been at the shop since I got it. New engine and more lol
That's bad luck, new engine, not a cheap option!
after watching this video, i decided to not buy a 650 I 2006. Lot of issues on this car.
i dont think that i have your strengh and capability to maintain it.
You saved my life sir....Thank You
Probably a good choice, they can be a bit demanding!
4.8 is way better the 650 I came 4.4 and 4.8
Hi Timm, thanks for the video,the tip about checking inside the oil cap is something I most definitely will be doing now as I'm going to view a 630i tomorrow. P.S. would u like to come with me? 😉
Glad to help Tony! No, I've got a real job you know!
Hi Timm, Im new subscriber as tomorrow Im going to look at/buy E63 635d 2008 , your videos are very helpful,fingers crossed any suggestion for diesel engine verification, please
Thanks! No, I've never owned or driven a diesel - ever!
I'm so jealous you having this as this is my dream car that i can't afford in 2022 lol
There's still a few cheap ones around Nero!
Hello Timm,
watching your video I just get an impulse to go down to the garage and have a look at the timing-chain in my 650 cab, cause my last Oil-Change must be years ago...
=> ...is it a "bad sign", if the aluminum of the bearing-housing beside the chain is still clear (and looks silver-grey like aluminum-cast is looking when it's new) => so mine has no "golden curtain" in front? (...as seen in your video ;-)
My 650 is from 2006, bought it in 2010 with 60.000km and drove it until 2013 up to about 90.000km
Since then I only drove few 100km per year = about 5.000km in total (due to wife, kids, house, garden, etc :-)
Watching your clip I got feelings to change my oil immediately => but looking at the attached sticker "...last Oil-Change in 2015" => I think I can rest down for one year and reach the "Decade" ;-)
P.S.: nice Color of yours (it's "Barbera rot metallic", right ?) - mine is "Malachit-Grün" (would say: black-green-mineralic-flittering) with black "Pearl-Leather"
E64's are like good wines - the older they get - the better they are !!!
Great information, I am going to look at a 2007 650i with 95k on it. It's a 2-hour drive however if I see these issues I will definitely walk.
Let us know how you get on!
Thanks, for the reply. I will be going this coming Thursday.@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation Hi Tim, I found another 2007 650I. Few more miles but great service records. Drives like new with the new set of tires he put on.
Unbelieveable how cheap they are in the uk
By the way im back on your channel
Just bought s 630i again
The 630i is certainly the reliable one from the range!
I so wish I saw this video before purchasing mines.. bought mines in 2018 but never really got around to play with it until last year and was told it need a trainee. I had to try to jump it yesterday. No response. I’ll get a interstate battery for it but I will say there is nooo coolant in there
Great video as always! Is mileage a big enough factor if the car is properly maintained? What mileage is too high for a 650i?
Thanks Georgi! Higher mileage is usually better as it means more regular oil changes. Mine is at 125,000 miles!
I had an E60 that had the same issue with water ingress through the brake booster clearly an issue from that era.
Yes, I have just found that the booster area was blocked again this week!
I bought a 2008 650i with 85k Very clean, I did all the checks on it, A week later when I was driving it to work, I got a message on dash engine is hot, I tried to come off the exit then message said engine over heating seconds later the coolant reservoir exploded denting my hood. The car is currently at the shop getting checked. I hope it is not something expansive or an engine issue.
Hopefully not, if it was overheating then either the water pump failed or the fan did - both reasonably cheap.
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation I noticed the heater wasn't blowing as hot when I tried it. Is the heater connected to the water pump? Thank you.
@@joes3534 That indicates that the coolant was not circulating properly - so, water pump or shortage of coolant
I love your accent similar to mine!
Thanks Kadzo!
👏🏻
Thanks!
Also, where did you buy your wind breaker from, I need one !
Found it on Ebay, around £100 or so in its carry-bag!
I'd like you're thoughts on the most reliable E93 to buy. I'd prefer a diesel but I'd buy whichever isn't going to bankrupt me. Also I've just subscribed so I hope this twists your arm into giving some advice!
No need to twist my arm - go for the 335i - that's the most fun!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation cheers dude!
I think those buyer guides are a bit mad. no car can have 50 things in perfect conditions if it's 15 years old... So this video is really good, 5 simple and important things and enjoy the car
Thanks, that's very kind of you!
About to buy a 2006 650i with 125,000 Miles for 4500$
Wish me luck 🤞🏽
Hope it went well!