How to test an alternator (Chrysler Dodge Jeep)
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- This is a computer controlled alternator. The PCM controls the ground side of the alternator rotor field circuit. I will be walking you through the steps involved in making sure the wiring is correct.
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How are there any thumbs down.
This is real world old style troubleshooting with child included
Great work.
ahhhhhhh what a breath of fresh air on the youtubes... someone who ACTUALLY knows what he is doing.. thank you so much, an absolute pleasure to see your thought process in action.
You are the most amazing dad! The way you treat and interact with your daughter, I wish I had for my daughter. I love your videos too btw, I’m learning so much. Thank you for showing your processes and explaining everything.
Thank you, I am not but I try to be. There is nothing more important than our families.
I love "in-the-field" troubleshooting like this, very educational and shows the twists and turns you end up with in real life.
that was cool you brought her along. Normally that whole experience would probably be boring for a kid but I love the way you interact and keep them occupied
Once again you're prove that understanding circuit design is worth it's weight in gold no fancy scan tools or even a wiring diagram,just a good head with some basic knowledge.
I can't believe how much fun watching or just listening to these videos are. There is so much useful info. It's all live training.
Glad you like them! Thank you! Filming live has ALWAYS been the format on this channel and I am a teacher so I'm always teaching and talking my way through the issues
Fascinating! Love the aesthetic of hunting the issue down. I also appreciate you saying from time to time, "Why?" It makes us tinkerers feel we are not total newbz.
Well Danner, after I praised you for bringing your son on a job, I randomly watched this video. May is going to learn a lot as well! Good parenting.
Wow she is so young there these are the days to remember they grow up soooooo fast. Video's like this I know put a smile on your face Paul.
Shes 13 now!
I've been watching your videos for little while now I see how you incorporate your personal life is refreshing this video really touched my heart especially the part about Legos my son Joshua passed away 2 years ago that's all he ever wanted thank you for being a good man
I am so sorry Shane. Jesus said "let the little children come to me". Your son is with our Creator my friend and you WILL see him again.
Excellent video, I could not test the plug at the alternator because of the type of plug, no place to insert a wire/probe, but I followed the wires through the harness and found the harness was touching the exhaust pipe, It appears someone who owned the truck before did something and put the harness on the wrong side of the exhaust, thus burning the wires. All the other tests worked as expected, so I am sure when I rewire this, it will work. Thank you, best video I saw out of all the ones I looked at.Your daughter is awesome !
Watched many of your videos and they are super informative and teach me alot. I think its awesome that you teach everyone this type of stuff.However, the best part of this video is the back and forth between you and your daughter. You're an awesome dad and shes gonna remember doing this type of stuff with your forever
Thank you James
@@ScannerDanner no problem. Hey, I have a question for your, somewhat in the realm of this video. I installed a "4,000" watt amp, which is actually around 1175 rms and have 4 12 in subs in my dodge quad cab. I've been have issues with dimming lights. I've done the big 3 upgrade, and installed a high output alternator in but the lights still dim when the bass hits, even at low volume. The headlights are aftermarket halogen projectors(I'm currently, meaning right this second, upgrading the wiring harness from the stock connector to the bulbs with 10 gauge wire, hoping that'll help with less voltage drop. I've read that the issue could be my VR, which is in the PCM. So my question is, would bypassing the computer and installing an external VR help me out with this, or am I thinking of it wrong? Do you have any other suggestions I could do? I tried installing leds bulbs but my fog lights were brighter. I'm sorry if it comes off as more of a car audio question but it's really I guess about voltage drop. I know I have enough amperage from the alternator. Oh, the lights look like I'm flashing people and it doesnt just happen at idle, it happens all the time, including driving down the highway.
Thanks for any help you can offer and sorry this turned into that. I just didnt know where else to ask and I seen your replied lol
@@jamesbaker7287 are you using a big capacitor in your main feed wire? you should be!
@@ScannerDanner I can't find your reply about the capacitor but I was using a 2 farad one(was told 1 farad for every 1000 watts rms) right next to my amp but that didnt really work. Like I said, I'm hoping upgrading these wires and harness will improve it. Who knows, maybe my thinking is all messed up lol. I used 1/0 wire for my big 3 upgrade, I didnt put that in my original post
Awesome analysis, troubleshooting, and explanation!! Thanks for such an informative and enjoyable video, including your daughter!
May, i thought you were the greatest, i liked how you started to organize your dads tools. Organization is a key factor in our lifes, keep up the good work!
May, as a father of two kiddos about your age, your video was very very funny! Thank you for sharing it with us! Paul, thank you for the information, and sharing your family time! Rodents are never fun, I have seen entire harnesses changed out due to rodent damage...very frustrating! Great video, as always, keep them coming!
Clogging up air intake entries with their nests too. On a few vehicles now
Good stuff. May is why u was able to figure this out lol. Love seeing a dad being a dad. Keep up the good work
There are only two people on TH-cam with this kind of automotive knowledge, and the ability to port this across in a video.
May is so sweet. I hope she got her Minecraft Lego set after all that assisting.
Dan only
This has to be one of my all time favorite videos on here, computer controlled alternator, how to test it...great stuff Paul from Fred in England.
I'm really gaining the Auto Electrical repair Experience here, thanks bro
Yet, again you came through Dan. I have that exact issue on my 2001 Jeep grand Cherokee limited. I first got the battery check at Advance Auto Part. The battery check out ok. I then had the alternator checked. Again, the alternator is good. Now after viewing to video, I'm going back to check the electrical connections and wires. I have to admit, this is not my cup of tea. However, I feel confident I can tackle the problem. Thanks for the experiences...😎🤜🏾🤛🏾
Thank you. The importance of having a schematic on hand. Verifying a problem before pulling out the credit card.
Great video. Thanks for doing it.
I have learned so much from you. I have solved numerous issues for friends using your techniques.
Your little girl is great. I like that she is very polite. That is a reflection of you and your wife as parents.
We already know you are a great technician.
In regards to many of the previous comments, it is easy to be an armchair technician. It is many times easier to make an alternative call while not being in the actual situation.
Lastly, you make so many videos for people to watch for free. Like you said time is money. So I really thank you for slowing down to tape these, add educational commentary, edit them, and post them.
Thank you my friend
I can't live a day without you. Love you my friend.
Details details details with adjustments for the discovery issues. I fixed my problem after watching the Chrysler alternator vs PCM.
I enjoy watching Scanner Danner videos and provides a great resource to learn from. If you guys want to learn this stuff though get his book and study it or take some classes to learn the basics first. You need to learn to crawl before you walk. This video is a prime example. My daughter has a Jeep of this same generation that she said didn’t charge sometimes and she would shut it off and start it up again and it would start charging. This uses the pcm to provide a duty cycle ground path to control the alternator output. That’s easy enough to see from the prints. What is not shown or might not be known is somewhere wrote to the pcm logic is that the pcm will shut down this circuit if it shows it is outside of a certain range. The pcm monitors this circuit from key on. You still get power, but no ground signal for the duty cycle signal. Back probing the ECM would have you think the EVR circuit is at fault, which is a common problem with these. Not wanting to leave anything to chance I measured the resistance on the field right at the alternator. I was reading over 350 ohms of resistance. Knowing something about electrical I knew this should only be closer to 5 ohms. While I don’t have exact specs I know this is pretty much just slip rings, brushes and wire to provide a field current. Rotating the alternator had this reading going really high to really low. Replaced the alternator based on that and everything is good. Moral of this store is get a good foundation of how things work. Also, just because something doesn’t show the results you expect it to. Verify everything else in the circuit is correct before you go replacing something like an ECM. Unfortunately we don’t know the logic the engineers have programmed into these things and the protections that are put into place to save a computer from destroying itself if something is out of range. Great videos though Paul. Keep up the great work.
Thanks so much!
Hey Paul
The YT algorithm suggested this video. I had viewed it back then. Just recently you had Miss May filling in for Caleb. It was nice to see. Stay well brother.
Thanks so much... been scratching my head on my intermittent alternator, this video was the cure! Was getting field voltage but it was a loose connection or bad brushes. works when I tap on the alternator. Thanks!!!
Mr danner, great video👍🏼 this is even better than a training lecture I've seen, and your doing it live, not staged, much appreciated from scotland (uk) please keep this up, as more cars are becoming more complex these days and more sophisticated , it's great to see
Why your testing in depth and not just changing battery's , alternator for the sake of it, 👍🏼👍🏼
I sure miss those days! They grow up way too fast! Thanks for another great lesson. There's a good alternator somewhere that came off it.
After a bit of testing, I concluded that I have a short in one of the field wires since I did rebuild this engine it seems very plausible that I could've pinched a wire/wires. I've had a P1391 code since I put the engine back in. I've replaced both cam and crank sensors 2+ and retimed it 4 times since then because of this code. My alternator was bad through out this whole process and I was gonna wait to get another one til I got the truck running. Since I found your channel, I've learned how to better diagnose the electrical aspect side of things. I think the short will have a role to play in the code I'm getting. Going ahead and putting a new alt on may have helped me find out where my problem is. Thank you for your videos
I have been repairing and diagnosing cars/trucks for over 15 years and
since i have been following Mr danner i have been faster then i have EVER been at locating causes. I hate to sound like a broken record but i cannot ever thank you enough. regardless of opinions and comments witch might seam a little negative in response to your videos, I really pray you never doubt or second guess yourself, your methods or anything you display in any of your videos. Everything you have said and shown has lit a fire in me i cannot describe, and i can learn from home while i work during the day. KEEP IT UP BROTHER!!!!!
Just now read this comment. Thank you so much!
Ah so voltage coming from the green wire from the alternator gets the circuit completed by the computer when it needs to tell the alternator to charge (ground side control). By giving it ground directly you full field the alternator. And that's only on alternators controlled by the PCM.
Then you have alternators with external voltage regulators like old Fords, which you jump the A and F terminals to full field it.
GM's I'm still doing my homework. I'm trying to learn now to full field them all.
I loved the video. I was on the edge of my seat! Electrical problems used to intimidate me but now they're exciting like solving a mystery! I remember the time I traced an open in the taillights in a 72 El Camino to the harness under the seat, took the seat out and saw burnt wires I wanted to hi-five myself!
Great recap, that is exactly right my friend. And I agree, this type if stuff is fun! Detective work and problem solving is an amazing thing, especially when you fix it! Thanks for the comment
@@ScannerDanner Dude, I used to be intimidated by this stuff and I would have never thought I'd be so enthralled by the mystery of chasing down faults. Once you understand the basics it gets so much easier! Thank you again for this awesome vid.
@@salazam it certainly does! Thanks so much
Video may be 3 years old but def learned a new approach with jumping straight ground the the alternator to see if it’s going to charge the battery. Thanks Dan
thank you kelvin, keep in mind, not all alternators are controlled this way, you definitely want to do you homework before ever jumping a wire straight to ground. I'm sure you already know that, just making sure.
Oh, and my name is Paul :-)
Danner is my last name, but it's okay, I get "Dan" all the time
Man, between you a bunchesnd your brother,working on cars has gotten a lot easier-Thanks
Nice job Paul, I would have attacked this problem the same way with a dvom, a test light or Load pro and some jumper wires. Then verify your results with your dvom, and if you understand circuit operation which is half the battle, like you do, this problem is found and fixed in a timely and efficient manner.
You got the best help and I thought was the only one with my daughter fixing my car great job
We had a rodent do a number on a car once, ironically we knew the cause without much troubleshooting, because his getaway was shortened by a rolling GOODYEAR! Nicely, documented journey and quite good with the test method examples Danner! Today is change an alternator day for a Sebring 1999 , most likely. .5-2.8amps draw on Battery with all fuses pulled.
Thanks Patrick!
You just gave me an in-depth look on a problem that I'm having with customer as we speak
Excellent video. Parts changer would throw a battery and alternator at it and that's exactly what happened. Great video.
Those mice can be a pain . they care not where they chew. I for one like your videos , and your way of teaching . It makes one understand the whole system and not just a quick patch.
You have the cutest baby ! Enjoy her every minute. They grow up fast!
Probably just help solve my jeep issue. Not too sure at the moment. But gonna confirm in the morning! Thanks brother. Great vid.
Got to love these parts changers... Good thing is that they keep you busy... Keep up the good work,
I have the same issue with rats right now. Very helpful explanation, and going thru the real scenario. Super Professional. Super Mechanoc. Thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Cute to see father and daughter....sometimes caleb behind the camera....happy family....God bless sir paul
Hehehe....opppsss!!!! Sir paul's on monitor....i'm watching now VW passat no start case study part 1 (a 2016 sd premium video)....hmmmm....I haved a little confuse about you draw a coil when one of your student ask question of the other ground..you draw a single coil sir then you explain another 2nd winding that the 2nd one connected to body ground the other end connected to spark plug..then you tell that design for old gm...I'm confuse why other end connected to body ground and the other end connected to spark plug? I'm thinking current is clever enough to flow to low resistace circuit always,so..instead flowing through spark plug that their's a gap it would directly flow through circuit connected to body that has less resistance? HEHEHE...a little bit confusing on me sir everytime I watched your informative videos,every single words you speak is very important for me....very interesting,,I always wanted to understand...thank you sir paul
you are collapsing a magnetic field around the secondary winding and it will push electrons out but not without a return path. The return path varies by design. Hope I am being more clear. Electron flow is weird sometimes for sure
@@ScannerDanner...ok sir paul thank you for sharing your knowledge to us...hope, also scope pattern interpretation next...😇
Thank you Dan! This video helped me verify a bad PCM with 00 Stratus. Same non charging issue, but ground wire to computer was not broken, verifying PCM. Thanks again!
Awesome! Thank you. Oh, and my name is Paul :-) Danner is my last name.
GREAT VID .. I LOVE WHEN U R DOING FREE STYLE DIAGNOSTICS .. BCZ U LET US KNOW HOW U thought process is .. amazing Paul.. SALUDOS from Bakersfield
Nailed it! Thank you for the step by step info. I'm going to check mine today after I install new battery.
Great TH-cam course of alternator diagnosis!!! Pest (rat) intrusion!!! Let me make a conjecture. That vehicle was left sitting for months!!!
Scanner danner is the #1 dad....lol..love it
Great video! It's like I'm watching the detective solve the case of The Missing Voltage! Dun dun dunnnnn!
Your daughter reminds me of mine so much. She's a cutie for sure. My Abby is 20 now! Goes fast. Thanks for the video, I've got something similar going on with a 01 Lexus ES300 now. I'm going to check the same wires. There are three on the little connector of the alternator tho... One goes to the ECM; assuming that is the control wire. Keep it up man, you are a good teacher. Take care, Clay
Awesome video!! I’m working on my friend’s Jeep right now that’s having the same exact issue and you made my day!!
You're a good man Paul. Love your videos and thank you for them.
excellent video mate really pushed home DONT TAKE THIINGS FOR GRANTED . TEST AND PROVE well done
Good catch on the rodent damage. I thought for sure as you did that the problem would have been in the tape wrapped area. Good call on the wrong field wiring. I have done initial testing to find results that don't match the scenario and take too long to second guess my results. Great little assistant too.
Sweet kid. Cherish as they are the future.
Did such a good job I'm going to get you a tripod
Can’t wait till my little one is old enough help me work on our cars and learn more than most guys do about them!
This video is very well explained! with sufficient information. thank you very much it was a great help!!!
Bet you are a great dad...great vid thx, I love how you keep in your mistakes...keeps it real
such a good video , one of your better ones , sounds like your daughter likes to construct things maybe she'll grow up to be a automotive engineer .
Great troubleshooting! Man did you get lucky spotting that break.
Aww I remember going with my dad to fix cars, just to be able to go to a store afterwords! Lol, and now I'm in training for BMW, guess it paid off, lol, cute daughter!
31,1,2022 ⏰ 22.39pm 🥶 night 🌙
Very KNOWLEDGEABLE
Sir ScannerDanner
Good girl deserves pocket 💰 💲
Take care and have a great day Sir ScannerDanner
Thank you
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
well done , you had done a good job .
And your daughter is so cute I like her well , I demand God to strengthen her age .
wow. this vid is really great and nice to have successful troubleshooting "win" with explanation. thanks.
Thanks Paul
Your daughter is adorable
Tell your bro to put a vid
Can't wait to see you do
a pcm reflash
realy u are very good man between your life and your work i love the way you life
Thank you my friend
She is adorable. Please have more with your kids
Awesome video. Been struggling with a very similar issue on Dodge Best video so far Thank you!!
Awesome video. knowledge at its finest. Great hunting down the damage of that car charging system. 🐁 😅 And that little girl assistant of you, teach her well and she some day will become a great mechanic herself. Thanks !!
She's almost 16 now! Crazy how time flys. Thank you!
Had squirrel damage on the wires in my Trooper, ate up over twenty some wires. Amounted to over $1400 worth of damage. After trying many repellents and such, finally got results using an ultrasonic repeller that is powered by the car's battery. After almost two years no more problems.
But had three occurrences of damage before getting this unit.
It was squirrels as they had a nest in there and were seen coming in and out of the vehicle.
Paul, nice alt demo. May is very cute as well. I have a little girl about same age as May. Thanks for sharing Paul.
Awe! You have such a great looking family!
PRO troubleshooter and a Great Father!
Terrific diagnoses Paul and May added good comic relief! Thanks for sharing
I dont speak english very well, but i love your videos. Thank you
Thank you so much!
What a great Dad. Great job and a great job on the car too. ;)
Another excellent video, appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Really informative video you saved me several hundred dollars. Thank uou
I can hear Eric O saying that must be a Doorman generator... ☺ Nice one, thx for sharing.
excellent vidio, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. God bless you and your family too
I would have enjoyed seeing an ac voltage test at the alternator's terminals after you jumped the damaged wire. I'm wondering about overheated (and failed) diodes.
Awesome video bud, keep up the good work. 👍
Great video, man! I've been in a drawn out diagnosing phase with my Jeep this past week. TH-cam pulled through and brought your video to my attention. Very rarely do I have to back up the video to stay on the same page, but I have with this one! As mentioned before, I really liked seeing your unscripted, in-the-moment approach, while hearing your thought process through it all. This video will greatly help me proceed on with my diagnosing process. Thank you for sharing.
On a side note, I'm sure it goes without saying, but your fathering skills are great to see also. This reminded me a little of my days as a child, although not receiving the same verbal communication as you give your daughter. Seeing that was a pleasure. May seems like a really great kid. Thank you again for the video. Best of luck to you in your endeavors! I will be subscribing to your channel.
Thanks so much. She is the other woman in my life :-)
@@ScannerDanner Very welcome. I have a question, if you're able to help. My issue is with overcharging, and I'm trying to confirm my PCM as the culprit. I've just tested my field wire and I'm getting a reading of 12.6v. Out of curiosity, I probed the ground lead and got a reading of 101. Is the ground reading such as it is because of the PCM fluctuations? One other question; Since I'm getting 12.6 from the field wire, this means that the PCM connection is intact and communicating, right?
every car is different, it would help to know exactly what you are working on. year, make, model, engine etc
@@ScannerDanner It's a 2006 Wrangler Rubicon with the 4.0 I6. When I probe the battery posts at idle, I 'm getting a charge voltage of 15.1v.
@@miusername6082 15.1 volts is fine, what is your concern? As long as it never goes above 15.5 your batteries and system will be fine. Your system is power side switched BTW (on the field circuit).
Are there codes? What made you focus on the charging system?
Nice case study,
I had a customer with a 2 year old bmw where mice had chewed through the brake servo vacuum hose.
It just a awesome video thanks for teaching us personally I really appreciate it
Back when. on cars you could hold a screw driver to the back of the alternator if it was charging it would be magnetized. It still works today if only you can get to the back of the alternator.
having a similar issue.. thanks for the help. didn't think about ground side switching.
Beside being a Badass car electrician, your a Good Dad ,kool video😉
Man, I was really hoping for some footage of that Minecraft Lego set. What a sweet kid!
Your daughter is adorable, god bless her.
She's a teenager now 😉 thanks my friend
May is patient because she wants her Lego!
Hi Paul
Very NICE How do you luck out? I never seem to find the bad wire till I have a hr or so into it….
May..
Nice to see that you go with Dad, My daughters use to come out to my shop and help out, my youngest is 24 Janna, she thanked me for teaching her as a shop tried to rip her off by telling her that some part was bad when she knew better…. So keep helping your Dad and keep him in line……
Michael N2MX
Great video, but I think May stole the show ;) don't listen to the haters. You covered the issue perfectly IMHO.
Good job May!!
good job you found the problem and had a good helper super good little sweet heart makes daddy proud
Best video yet and not because it helped me fix a car but because you or the star that you featured. Beautiful girl and she likes Leggos and Minecraft. My daughter also likes them and she wants to make some videos with me for youtube. Good diags too. TFS
+MostlymoparIH haha thanks man, she's the other woman in my life :)
Very nice. I have four other women in my life.
I was going to say enjoy her while she's young but I can see you are already doing that.
:> )
+MostlymoparIH God bless you my friend. 4 little girls? You are truly blessed
Well one is still little and the other three are married. thanks
Hey Paul, the next vid you do about a flat battery you should use your scanner, smoke machine, u-activate and every fancy tool in your toolbox, oh and not forgetting your pico scope as well.
Ps: your kids are great, I remember when mine were that age, just wait till they are in there late teens, you won't put them on camera then. All the best. Kev from the uk.
Haha for sure!
Thanks buddy, exactly what the problem was 👍
Hi Paul I can’t believe he said your to deep into your scanner I use mine all the time I use my lab scope al the time that is how I find a drop out I use the verus edge