Enma and Wado are same level blade. And Zoro didn't have to tame Wado because it chose him while he have to tame Enma. Same with Oden Enma chose him so this whole point cannot add anything to this debate.
Nahhh they’re pretty much the same. Zoro’s a great all around fighter. His offense is just as good, and his defense is questionable but definitely at least close. It’s extremely close. I would even give Zoro the offensive edge.
@@christianolson8543 I don't think so....talking about the most recent thing first.... You don't think Oden could have beaten King easily ? I'd say he would have taken him down quite easily Oden was portrayed to be a top tier literally through various panels, Kaido's top 5, whitebeard looked at him more as a brother and a rival that's why at first glance he immediately told him he was no one to follow others, when he returned to Wano he was described by the narrator as "invincible and triumphant", Kaido himself never managed to find an opponent as worthy as him after his execution and told the scabbards the world will never see another monster samurai like Oden again, at the beginning of his journey he could take a devine departure from Roger himself and got back up immediately and was coming back to ask for more, something no supernova could have done and in the manga which is the correct story When Oden hit Kaido with togen totsuka he was down and didn't get back up and Oden was ready for the finishing hit, he was even Hyped up by people like blackbeard and Akainu and even Zoro himself realised how much of a monster Oden was when speaking to Enma saying Oden could yield you without trouble all that time while going all out without going through any of the troubles he was facing
@@haithammihawk8215 I agree with all of that, but Zoro cut Kaido deep and THEN powered up again after that. Also Kaido has been very wrong about a lot of things before.
@@christianolson8543 But wasn't the Ashura that Zoro used on Kaido his peak ? Because it was at that time when Kaido told him he had conqueror's haki because that attack from Zoro was unwillingly embedded with conqueror's haki coating... So Zoro powering up later doesn't have an impact on the result of his attack on Kaido
My comment is late but this is actually a good video. Even though this topic is a little old, I feel like a lot of people take some of oden’s feats and glaze on them just to put oden above zoro. I’ll just some of them to clarify 1: “Oden survives roger or whitebeard attack”. This is probably a good feat but not the best since neither roger or whitebeard were going all out so we can’t really say this is that impressive. Plus post-journey oden is stronger than the oden who encountered roger and whitebeard. 2: “Oden’s attack on kaido was stronger than zoro’s attack on kaido”. First off, zoro was heavily weakened from that combined attack which is the main reason zoro didn’t do that much damage against kaido. Plus with the strength it took to block that duel emperor attack and do the ashura move, it took almost every ounce of strength from zoro. 3: “Oden is on kaido’s top 5”. That statement is very dumb to include. The top 5 members of kaido’s list are more of who can do the most against kaido with oden actually doing the best but that doesn’t mean oden is stronger than roger or whitebeard. In general, I believe those 3 feats for oden are the most glazed on and a lot of people try to get oden above current kaido which is pretty silly tbh. But I’m not here to hate on anyone. This is a good video despite me being late to it. In my opinion, I believe zoro should take the win with it being high diff.
Oden extreme-insane diff because Oden and Zoro are complete monsters in terms of AP endurance strength durability and haki so this fight will last long but this goes to Oden because Oden is more durable plus he has better control over Haki and Enma So it's safe to say oden wins extreme diff
Extreme diff? Hell no. Oden dominates low- mid diff. Oden was stated by narrator to be equal to WB & roger post journey. And kaido implied he was in that class as well.
It’s a shame Zoro’s black blade will most likely go to Momo so he could just copy his father, even though it will most likely take 20 years for him to master his swords, haki, and devil fruit. Seriously, the kid will need to deal with the weight of the black blade (we saw the insane weights Zoro can lift, and he was surprised by the weight), plus whatever problems his heavenly blade might have (if the kid’s lucky it’s not going to drain his haki like crazy, but that might be the best solution for him, so he could master haki faster), so unless one piece makes Momo a godly prodigy, by the time we see him again he will most likely be relying on his devil fruit, and maybe haki.
@XharkZ what makes you think they are prodigies, Momo throughout the series didn’t show any talent, and his sister only had a talent for music. We saw Momo training with a wooden sword, but it was like any ordinary child training.
Genuine question, is Shanks Divine departure stronger than Kadio and big moms joint attack (Conquest of the sea)? Cause zoro was barely able to block that (thats two strong yonko attacks into one) and Divine departure completely bodied Kid to the point of defeat, thats gotta give some credit to zoro there
how much haki does odens Ame-no-Habakiri sword take from him? In that case since Enma and Ame-no-Habakiri are around the same amount of strength correct? Imagine Zoro weilding both swords now. It's obvious that Oden has stronger haki and is a straight tank able to take hits from roger, but zoro is a more bloodthirsty fighter and has more moves to attack with than Oden. We only saw oden for a little while so its hard to accurately say how strong oden really is. He can fight beat Kaido's dragon form which I believe is kaido's weakest form. We only saw them begin to battle when kaido was in human form and it seemed as if they were fighting evenly. Hybrid form kaido may have been able to beat Oden but as I said again we just didn't see enough of oden's moves and true final stand power. I think that the final battle between Oden and Kaido (hydrid form) would have been a very even fight. In present time zoro was able to give kaido a wound to his body but at the same time this attack was also with such a small amount of Conquerers Haki. I think if kaido and zoro would have fought with zoro's advanced conquerers haki kaido may still beat zoro. Zoro just lacks experience fighting with Yonko's unlike Oden fighting with WB and Roger. Oden didn't put up the best of fights against both of them but that experience propells oden just as much when it came to fighting against kaido. If zoro learns how to fully control enma and get his haki stronger, then the Oden Vs. Zoro fight could possibly happen. I see it going both ways, but as of right when zoro beats king, he's not powerful enough to defeat Oden.
cant actually compare the two. we dont know if oden had advanced conq. haki. zoro could easily slash up kaido in hybrid form while oden slashed a younger kaido in dragon form. however zoros attacks (which hurt and slashed kaido) didnt even faze king. Only advanced conq. haki could hurt king so far.
@@feitan8745 kaido also had a devil fruit and was an oni lol? just because u can damage kaido doesnt mean u can damage king. So its actually zoro>oden from what we have seen.
Shanks can not one shot kid the only reason shanks was able to do it is because kid was off gaurd and the attack was too strong so he did get to tank ot and kid durability and physically is no whers oden and oden that fought whitbeard is not where kid whoes admiral level
Yall are wild saying oden is above zoro lmao even big mom was worried about zoros attack...nobody was worried about oden they just knew he had decent power
The concrete proof that Zoro hasn't reached Oden's level yet is that so far he hasn't fully mastered enma simple. Even Zoro himself was astonished at how much enma was constantly absorbing too much haki. By the time he fights Mihawk he would probably be at Oden's level.
If zoro will be at odens level by the time he fights Mihawk. That would be odas huge bad writing. Because Rayleigh was already stronger than oden. By Mihawk fight Zoro should be stronger shanks=prime Rayleigh since Mihawk is looking for someone to surpass his former rival.
@@SanjiFansCopeHarder Nowhere in the manga was it ever shown that Rayleigh was stronger than Oden. As a matter of fact the way Oden has always been portrayed was a sort of different breed somebody who couldn't be the subordinate of both Whitebeard and Roger because they respected him and recognized his strength even though I think he wasn't as strong as they were. Enma was Oden's sword and as Zoro himself stated I will be many times stronger if I tame it. Now tell me how long do we have until Zoro fights Mihawk? Also the gap between Mihawk and Shanks is probably not like how many people envision.
@@chrisgrad9004 oden was stalemating scopper gaban equally. To say he is on Rayleigh level or stronger is ridiculous. Rayleigh was portrayed by garp as being one of the legends as WB and the world government can’t take on 2 legends at once. That’s more than enough confirmation Rayleigh was just a different breed. And mind you Rayleigh came out of those 3 days of fighting with WB pirates with no scratches. While oden and scopper were the opposite. Now vivre card stated that Mihawk was looking for someone to challenge him that could surpass his former rival shanks. So obviously zoro has to get stronger than shanks in order to beat Mihawk.
@@SanjiFansCopeHarder What manga do you read show me the panel of scopper gaban clashing with Oden the only injury Oden got was from Roger himself after that we saw nothing. Again just to put things into perspective Whitebeard learned of Oden's death but still didn't want to go battle Kaido because the losses would be major. Oden went to fight Kaido with only his vassals and is implied that he could have won if not for being distracted just think about. If you think Rayleigh is stronger than Kaido then I don't know what to say. To further prove my point look at Kaido's list where is Rayleigh? You cannot tell me that he fought Roger and never got to clash with Rayleigh.
@@chrisgrad9004 th-cam.com/video/RAT3uzNe14A/w-d-xo.html wano anime is confirmed cannon stated by oda giving toei the thumbs up. Also Rayleigh offered oden help in wano. And oden declined. It was never stated that oden would’ve won against kaido since kaido went to base form when throughout the whole time he was fighting in his zoan form. He had hybrid form that he didn’t use on oden. Also prime Rayleigh at that time was stronger than that kaido that oden fought who was no where near his prime.
I believe King of Hell is another level of what Oden achieved during his voyage, and the only reason Oden couldn't achieve it is because his two swords were at odds with each other, while Zoro's combination of blades allows his will to be channeled into a certain direction.
This one goes to Zoro based soley on the fact that he fought an OBJECTIVELY stronger Kaido. Kaido fought Big Mom evenly for how long again? There's no way two Yonko fighting evenly for that amount of time wouldn't lead to haki blooms.
@@DBLUE-bo2qehe doesn’t zoro had all his bones broken and still managed to give hybrid kaido a permanent scar oden never fought hybrid kaido he fought base and dragon kaido both weaker than hybrid
When did Zoro fight Kaido im lost? An exhausted Oden at 1 whole day in the fight leveled up on Kaido and maintained that level of power, Zoro collapsed and burned out because Ashura is his peak he cannot even go beyond that or maintain it, Oden is chilling at that level of power while Zoro is struggling to attain it
@@tawchaentertainment1488 he held him off and gave him a scar too... I know you read Wano so how you forget when they were making a big deal about Zoro holding off Kaido.
zoro has better swordman skill than oden. It takes oden years to control enma, meanwhile zoro 1 day. Oden cant able to cut kaido fire blast, meanwhile zoro did. Oden can awaken black blade, meanwhile mihawk did at early age..
Enma and Wado are same level blade. And Zoro didn't have to tame Wado because it chose him while he have to tame Enma. Same with Oden Enma chose him so this whole point cannot add anything to this debate.
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Emma and ame no habikiri we’re literally made specifically for oden
Honestly, ODEN is still waaay ahead of Zoro
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Nahhh they’re pretty much the same. Zoro’s a great all around fighter. His offense is just as good, and his defense is questionable but definitely at least close. It’s extremely close. I would even give Zoro the offensive edge.
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I don't think so....talking about the most recent thing first.... You don't think Oden could have beaten King easily ? I'd say he would have taken him down quite easily Oden was portrayed to be a top tier literally through various panels, Kaido's top 5, whitebeard looked at him more as a brother and a rival that's why at first glance he immediately told him he was no one to follow others, when he returned to Wano he was described by the narrator as "invincible and triumphant", Kaido himself never managed to find an opponent as worthy as him after his execution and told the scabbards the world will never see another monster samurai like Oden again, at the beginning of his journey he could take a devine departure from Roger himself and got back up immediately and was coming back to ask for more, something no supernova could have done and in the manga which is the correct story When Oden hit Kaido with togen totsuka he was down and didn't get back up and Oden was ready for the finishing hit, he was even Hyped up by people like blackbeard and Akainu and even Zoro himself realised how much of a monster Oden was when speaking to Enma saying Oden could yield you without trouble all that time while going all out without going through any of the troubles he was facing
@@haithammihawk8215 I agree with all of that, but Zoro cut Kaido deep and THEN powered up again after that. Also Kaido has been very wrong about a lot of things before.
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But wasn't the Ashura that Zoro used on Kaido his peak ? Because it was at that time when Kaido told him he had conqueror's haki because that attack from Zoro was unwillingly embedded with conqueror's haki coating... So Zoro powering up later doesn't have an impact on the result of his attack on Kaido
My comment is late but this is actually a good video. Even though this topic is a little old, I feel like a lot of people take some of oden’s feats and glaze on them just to put oden above zoro. I’ll just some of them to clarify
1: “Oden survives roger or whitebeard attack”. This is probably a good feat but not the best since neither roger or whitebeard were going all out so we can’t really say this is that impressive. Plus post-journey oden is stronger than the oden who encountered roger and whitebeard.
2: “Oden’s attack on kaido was stronger than zoro’s attack on kaido”. First off, zoro was heavily weakened from that combined attack which is the main reason zoro didn’t do that much damage against kaido. Plus with the strength it took to block that duel emperor attack and do the ashura move, it took almost every ounce of strength from zoro.
3: “Oden is on kaido’s top 5”. That statement is very dumb to include. The top 5 members of kaido’s list are more of who can do the most against kaido with oden actually doing the best but that doesn’t mean oden is stronger than roger or whitebeard.
In general, I believe those 3 feats for oden are the most glazed on and a lot of people try to get oden above current kaido which is pretty silly tbh. But I’m not here to hate on anyone. This is a good video despite me being late to it. In my opinion, I believe zoro should take the win with it being high diff.
The intro was wild 😂
Dude, Zoro is right now, HANDS DOWN Stronger than Oden . Literally 100%.
Oden extreme-insane diff because Oden and Zoro are complete monsters in terms of AP endurance strength durability and haki so this fight will last long but this goes to Oden because Oden is more durable plus he has better control over Haki and Enma So it's safe to say oden wins extreme diff
Extreme diff? Hell no. Oden dominates low- mid diff. Oden was stated by narrator to be equal to WB & roger post journey. And kaido implied he was in that class as well.
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It’s a shame Zoro’s black blade will most likely go to Momo so he could just copy his father, even though it will most likely take 20 years for him to master his swords, haki, and devil fruit.
Seriously, the kid will need to deal with the weight of the black blade (we saw the insane weights Zoro can lift, and he was surprised by the weight), plus whatever problems his heavenly blade might have (if the kid’s lucky it’s not going to drain his haki like crazy, but that might be the best solution for him, so he could master haki faster), so unless one piece makes Momo a godly prodigy, by the time we see him again he will most likely be relying on his devil fruit, and maybe haki.
@XharkZ what makes you think they are prodigies, Momo throughout the series didn’t show any talent, and his sister only had a talent for music. We saw Momo training with a wooden sword, but it was like any ordinary child training.
Zoro has THREE swords, soo..
Oden was born into rear admiral level 😅
I don’t think that we actually seen prime WHITEBEARD fight oden because he called him “old man”.
I feel Oden is physically stronger and durable my nigga stood in hot water
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Hey, quick question. Do you think Akainu is top 5 in the verse? Why?
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Genuine question, is Shanks Divine departure stronger than Kadio and big moms joint attack (Conquest of the sea)? Cause zoro was barely able to block that (thats two strong yonko attacks into one) and Divine departure completely bodied Kid to the point of defeat, thats gotta give some credit to zoro there
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how much haki does odens Ame-no-Habakiri sword take from him? In that case since Enma and Ame-no-Habakiri are around the same amount of strength correct? Imagine Zoro weilding both swords now. It's obvious that Oden has stronger haki and is a straight tank able to take hits from roger, but zoro is a more bloodthirsty fighter and has more moves to attack with than Oden. We only saw oden for a little while so its hard to accurately say how strong oden really is. He can fight beat Kaido's dragon form which I believe is kaido's weakest form. We only saw them begin to battle when kaido was in human form and it seemed as if they were fighting evenly. Hybrid form kaido may have been able to beat Oden but as I said again we just didn't see enough of oden's moves and true final stand power. I think that the final battle between Oden and Kaido (hydrid form) would have been a very even fight. In present time zoro was able to give kaido a wound to his body but at the same time this attack was also with such a small amount of Conquerers Haki. I think if kaido and zoro would have fought with zoro's advanced conquerers haki kaido may still beat zoro. Zoro just lacks experience fighting with Yonko's unlike Oden fighting with WB and Roger. Oden didn't put up the best of fights against both of them but that experience propells oden just as much when it came to fighting against kaido. If zoro learns how to fully control enma and get his haki stronger, then the Oden Vs. Zoro fight could possibly happen. I see it going both ways, but as of right when zoro beats king, he's not powerful enough to defeat Oden.
cant actually compare the two. we dont know if oden had advanced conq. haki. zoro could easily slash up kaido in hybrid form while oden slashed a younger kaido in dragon form. however zoros attacks (which hurt and slashed kaido) didnt even faze king. Only advanced conq. haki could hurt king so far.
Well, King was different as he stated, not only that, he had a DF. Bur Zoro progressed in his fight with King.
@@feitan8745 kaido also had a devil fruit and was an oni lol? just because u can damage kaido doesnt mean u can damage king. So its actually zoro>oden from what we have seen.
Zorro beat king
@@samuelwilson5465 yea barely with advanced conq. haki while enma alone with advanced armament couldnt even scratch king. so how does oden win lol
Oden would for sure right now but eos oden gets slapped
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Zoro has way better feats
King was in flame off mode when zoro cut his wing, oden mid diff zoro still
Shanks can not one shot kid the only reason shanks was able to do it is because kid was off gaurd and the attack was too strong so he did get to tank ot and kid durability and physically is no whers oden and oden that fought whitbeard is not where kid whoes admiral level
Oden is the goat
Yall are wild saying oden is above zoro lmao even big mom was worried about zoros attack...nobody was worried about oden they just knew he had decent power
They all worried about Enma not Zoro and only cause it had Oden's will in it shuddup
Bro they were worried about the sword zoro was using as it was the real power for zoro’s strength😂
Nah if anyone else used it , it wouldn’t be a problem, it was zoro they were scared of especially with acoc Zoro slams.
The concrete proof that Zoro hasn't reached Oden's level yet is that so far he hasn't fully mastered enma simple. Even Zoro himself was astonished at how much enma was constantly absorbing too much haki. By the time he fights Mihawk he would probably be at Oden's level.
If zoro will be at odens level by the time he fights Mihawk. That would be odas huge bad writing. Because Rayleigh was already stronger than oden. By Mihawk fight Zoro should be stronger shanks=prime Rayleigh since Mihawk is looking for someone to surpass his former rival.
@@SanjiFansCopeHarder Nowhere in the manga was it ever shown that Rayleigh was stronger than Oden. As a matter of fact the way Oden has always been portrayed was a sort of different breed somebody who couldn't be the subordinate of both Whitebeard and Roger because they respected him and recognized his strength even though I think he wasn't as strong as they were. Enma was Oden's sword and as Zoro himself stated I will be many times stronger if I tame it. Now tell me how long do we have until Zoro fights Mihawk? Also the gap between Mihawk and Shanks is probably not like how many people envision.
@@chrisgrad9004 oden was stalemating scopper gaban equally. To say he is on Rayleigh level or stronger is ridiculous. Rayleigh was portrayed by garp as being one of the legends as WB and the world government can’t take on 2 legends at once. That’s more than enough confirmation Rayleigh was just a different breed. And mind you Rayleigh came out of those 3 days of fighting with WB pirates with no scratches. While oden and scopper were the opposite.
Now vivre card stated that Mihawk was looking for someone to challenge him that could surpass his former rival shanks. So obviously zoro has to get stronger than shanks in order to beat Mihawk.
@@SanjiFansCopeHarder What manga do you read show me the panel of scopper gaban clashing with Oden the only injury Oden got was from Roger himself after that we saw nothing. Again just to put things into perspective Whitebeard learned of Oden's death but still didn't want to go battle Kaido because the losses would be major. Oden went to fight Kaido with only his vassals and is implied that he could have won if not for being distracted just think about. If you think Rayleigh is stronger than Kaido then I don't know what to say. To further prove my point look at Kaido's list where is Rayleigh? You cannot tell me that he fought Roger and never got to clash with Rayleigh.
@@chrisgrad9004 th-cam.com/video/RAT3uzNe14A/w-d-xo.html wano anime is confirmed cannon stated by oda giving toei the thumbs up.
Also Rayleigh offered oden help in wano. And oden declined. It was never stated that oden would’ve won against kaido since kaido went to base form when throughout the whole time he was fighting in his zoan form. He had hybrid form that he didn’t use on oden. Also prime Rayleigh at that time was stronger than that kaido that oden fought who was no where near his prime.
Oden is definitely stronger right now probably a mid-high diff
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@@swifty-lq2cr okay let’s rephrase this prime oden is stronger than current zoro😭🤝
Oden high diff if he finishes zoro quick, extreme diff if he plays around with zoro for too long
Now oden, eos zoro up past roger lvl or ryuma whoever is stronger
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Oden is yanko level
I believe King of Hell is another level of what Oden achieved during his voyage, and the only reason Oden couldn't achieve it is because his two swords were at odds with each other, while Zoro's combination of blades allows his will to be channeled into a certain direction.
This one goes to Zoro based soley on the fact that he fought an OBJECTIVELY stronger Kaido. Kaido fought Big Mom evenly for how long again? There's no way two Yonko fighting evenly for that amount of time wouldn't lead to haki blooms.
The Body is physically stronger when the character is younger not when the character is basically older. Zoro loses in damage for sure as well
@@DBLUE-bo2qehe doesn’t zoro had all his bones broken and still managed to give hybrid kaido a permanent scar oden never fought hybrid kaido he fought base and dragon kaido both weaker than hybrid
When did Zoro fight Kaido im lost? An exhausted Oden at 1 whole day in the fight leveled up on Kaido and maintained that level of power, Zoro collapsed and burned out because Ashura is his peak he cannot even go beyond that or maintain it, Oden is chilling at that level of power while Zoro is struggling to attain it
@@tawchaentertainment1488 he held him off and gave him a scar too... I know you read Wano so how you forget when they were making a big deal about Zoro holding off Kaido.
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Odens Yonkos level above even admirals,
If Oden was 100
Someone like Kizaru is 94 (strongest current admiral)
And current KoH Zoro is 59
Bro what oden isn’t stronger than kizaru odens best feat is damaging DRAGON kaido 😂 he never even saw hybrid kaido
zoro has better swordman skill than oden.
It takes oden years to control enma, meanwhile zoro 1 day.
Oden cant able to cut kaido fire blast, meanwhile zoro did.
Oden can awaken black blade, meanwhile mihawk did at early age..
When Zoro masters his swords (turn them into black blades), then we will have confirmation that he has surpassed Oden. Until then, Oden >>> Zoro