How magnetic fuel savers work and how to make one.
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- Magnetic fuel saving devices have been around for a very long time. Here's a look inside one and at the general theory of operation.
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I installed 2 kg neodymium magnets in my computer, one glued to each side of my hard disk. I saw a 100% increase in free disk space in moments. ;)
you only needed one
@@darylcheshire1618 HDDs are pretty well shielded, some of the more powerful magnets your going to find are actually inside a old school hard drive, they move the read write head around.
@@ackillesbac Nope they are not shielded. The magnets for the head drive are Halbach-Arrays which have a rather small stray-field. This combined with the fact that magnets are very limited in their working distance allows the use of rather strong magnets in close proximity of the disks. But there is no such thing like a shielding, just an aluminum housing and a very thin sheet of other metal as a cover.
@@matekochkoch Thats cool. Didnt know that. Thank you. Just looked up some videos on halbach arrays, pretty awesome.
@@ackillesbac this exchange was far too reasonable and informative, im gonna have to revoke your Realutubecommenter *tm* cards.
I put these on my car last year and I have not had to add any gas since. I also gained about 500 horsepower I think...maybe 1,000, it's hard to tell. I actually have more gas in my tank than I started with. I have to keep draining it out every week because my tank keeps filling up. This has saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars, ha ha.
But seriously, if schools taught better science, no one would ever buy these.
Pirate Labs you know how many people were pissed about having to take a science class when I got my associate's degree? It actually turned out more basic than I thought it would too. It was basically high school level and I was bored.
People acted like it was the end of the world that they had to know the scientific method, why anthropogenic climate change was the most likely explanation for global temperature trends or why we knew fossils were more than 6,000 years old.
Worst part is I'm not even talking about people who didn't believe the things I just said we're true (could've watched their heads explode when GMOs came up though).
Yes, but when the cost is under $2USD people don't put a lot of critical thinking into it. They think "well I don't think it will work as it doesn't actually change how much fuel is actually injected, however at $2 it's no big loss so it's worth the gamble".
A lot of it has nothing to do with scientific understanding. People will still buy, and do, crazy shit that they believe in. Asia has some of the craziest beliefs, superstitions, "eastern medicine," etc. and they've got good science programs. I see advchina or seepentza or laowhy86 talking about it all the time. (The crazy shit they believe in)
Have you tried going to the gas station? I did and the meter started to run backwards until my credit cards was full.
My ex drove a car like that. For some odd reason it stopped refilling itself automagically after we broke up though. Perhaps the magnets fell off?
I installed powerful magnets on my car now it always drives north
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That's odd... it's now "Bi-Polar"!
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Pro tip: You need to get a set made in the US and then swap them when you need to go south 👍
A long time ago my lab was commissioned to test a similar product of long standing in this part of the world. Dyno and on-road testing showed no difference between. We even made an empty placebo unit and got more (but miniscule) effect. In the end the manufacturer threatened to sue us if we published.
I'd have told them, now I'll not only publish, but testify in your fraud trials.
Both civil and criminal and won't stop testifying until their families are literally living on the street.
I admit to one character flaw, I am a very, very, very vindictive man.
I would have published - they didn't even bribe you!
bottom line: for the cost of them, If they had a measurable effect, they'd be built in and you wouldn't need to buy them.
No if they actually worked you would never hear of them.
@@jamesfair9751 you know car companies have to pay penalties for not meeting fuel efficiency targets in the US? Trump is trying to reverse this of course.
jkenny1 oh yes indeed they do have set targets they have to hit. The problem is the government and big oil here has anything that increases gas mileage on lock down. There are cars here in the US that get 50 mpg whole their European version of the same car gets over 90 mpg.
No no, there is a huge conspiracy that kills all these useful inventions. Did you hear about the car engine that runs on water? No? That's because it has been suppressed of course! Point proven!!
Karl Moens actually I have heard about the car running on water. There’s also one that can be ran off biofuel made from corn. I don’t think the water one would be very viable. There’s needs to be an explosion inside the motor. The thing is they can make a normal car that uses normal gas run twice and even three times as long as they do.
I'm surprised they even have magnets in them, I was expecting them to just be empty lumps of plastic.
no kidding
But that would be scamming!
Or just a lump of metal to add weight.
Easy for the buyer to verify whether it's got a magnet in or not... I think the psychology is that if they're not lying about it containing a magnet then it's more likely that they're not lying about it being able to shave 20% off your fuel consumption as well.
They're spirit magnets operating in the ethereal plane. People would still buy that shit.
I’ve been in the iil and gas production business for 40+ years, working on crude oils that contain high amount of wax. Never ever have I ever heard of the use of magnets to decrease or maintain the pour point of crude. The only two methods used to maintain or decrease pour point are chemicals and heat. Part of the theory/myth stems from the fact that magnetic fields can be used to measure flow of a fluid, so magnets should be able to influence flow characteristics, as well. Maybe it could, but the strength of the magnetic field would have to be: 1) Much stronger than the tiny magnets discussed could provide, and 2) the magnet ic field applied all the way to the cylinder to maintain homogeneous alignment of the molecules, which is near impossible because of the configuration of the fuel system and the process of atomization needed to ensure proper fuel-air mixing. So, in effect, the best way to maintain good fuel efficiency is to follow the manufacturer’s maintenance schedule and drive responsibly.
Frequent oil changes, use top tier gasoline, check your engine air filter every year and replace if dirty, clean your throttle body and MAF/MAP sensor/s every 15k miles, and change your PCV every 15K.
He may have been referring to a magnetic induction coil on the pipe to heat up the heavy waxy oil to thin it out a bit.
@@christophervanzetta using manufacturer recommended fuel. Some automatically go for high octane, when it'll perform as well or even potentially worse than the lower octane that the engine was designed to run.
Magnetohydrodynamics. Wonderful field, good for making the measurements you mentioned and moving small quantities of fluid around. Lousy when any realistic and useful quantity of fluid has to be moved.
Attempts to move ships that way were successful, albeit slowly and at a ridiculous cost. But, quite useful in the lab for small quantities and in production to measure flow.
This crap relies on the notion that magnets are magic and well, they ain't. Maxwell's equations aren't new at all, for crying out loud!
I tested this device --- using a little larger magnetic fuel saver there are some effect to the fuel trim data...i meant no doubt and i have seen the data improvement on daily basis since the installation
Speaking of demagnetizing magnets, I used a neodymium magnet to hold 2 pieces of metal together while welding once. As soon as the arc hit the metal, the magnet fell off. Almost instantly demagnetized. RIP magnet.
There's a reason welding magnets use ceramic magnets instead of neodymium
@@MordecaiV and if you look really close at how those welding magnets are constructed, the actual "magnet" never touches the metal you stick it on. It's offset into the frame like 3/16 of an inch or so.
@@Jamespennington71 yup, and that helps with thermals as well as directing the flux to improve the holding force. But neodymium ones constructed in the same way would still have thermal issues.
Wow, thats weird.
I guess i need to tell all the magnets (neo, or regular. I have 20 or so) to stop acting weird by never working for welding again.
Seeing as they have been used for quick fixturing while welding for years.
I used to work a large computer company, we often sent specialised Techs to fix everything from servers to laptops. They had to carry all parts and electronic tools in special cases when we sent them to places where high end welding was performed as well as Metallurgy companies, the electronic fields and magnetic fields in those places are insane.
I put a magnet on my fridge, and now it does 100 mpg.
Major Malfunction food goes further has well.
Milk lasts a month!
I'm not sure, I didn't measure it before, but now it levitates it's easy.
Only about 45 ATM, but I plan to soup it up with a big 2017 calendar magnet I got from a real estate agent.
I've got a GooToob channel where I test fridge magnets. People send me all kinds of crazy stuff.
I put one on my steel thermo flask - I now get an extra cup of coffee from it.
thats not coffee
I can definitely say it worked for me - I've saved lots of fuel:
I thought to myself if it's worth doing then it's worth doing well. So I got myself some extra strong magnets and put them on. My monthly fuel bill has litterally dropped to $0. Unfortunately the magnets were strong enough to crush the pipe and now the car doesn't work so I have to walk. 😁
Matthew Walkin 😁
Shoulda followed the tutorial...
I took my bike at that moment. No magnets at all !
It work´s on my Refrigerators Door!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Indeed OBD2 fuel trim data mine improved from -20% to -3% ~ 5% which means the magnet really does have effect to the fuel hydrocarbon properties. I am glad i tried this and it solved my problem that i've been thinking for so many years what went wrong to my car consume so much fuel....It turns out the fuel by itself at initial cold start it consume a lot of fuel...until it reaches the optimum temperature around 83 to 85 degree C the fuel trim (air to fuel mixture) becoming better...
With the magnet installed --- it speed the process of fuel trim improvement probably because of the magnetic fiel effect.
Maybe a good fuel efficient car has little using this device
Amazing that car companies haven't taken advantage of this one simple trick. They all spend countless engineering dollars trying to meet strict CAFE standards with engine redesigns and computer systems, but all they needed was 50 cents worth of magnets the whole time!
The theory is sound but the magnetic field needs to be much higher than found in the typical fuel saver devices sold today.
I designed and built a fuel saver for my car. This uses enormous magnets that required me to move several engine ancillaries, including the battery and alternator, to create enough room in the engine bay.
I noticed significant savings in the order of 10% to 15%. Unfortunately, my car is no longer in service as it got stuck on the first steel bridge I drove over.
Chris Williams thats a nice bullshit you made up mate. almost believable. well done
I thought you seriously believed the magnets saved fuel at first. Lol. Nicely done
Ahaha
Chris Williams
Now that's funny 😁
I used magnetars on mine
Increased fuel usage by 0.1%
You can save 100% if you apply the cable tie on the fuel pipe directly.
Tonights Roadkill Garage Ziptie Tip
If you tighten it enough you will safe 100% fuel
gabest4 dont tell this secret to everyone now...
"Oil companies hate him!"
cant. stop.. laughing. But in retrospect thats not lie'in ohhhhh thats how they get away with this stuff
Magnets are actually a very good thing to have on your oil pan. Back in the day we would buy a replacement oil drain plug with a strong magnet embedded in the bolt.
The idea being that any metal in the engine’s oil jacket would be picked up and kept from causing additional wear or that engine. Then when you changed your oil the tip of the bolt would have a good bit of metal shavings on it, sometimes small chunks! I recon those being stopped from flowing through your V-8 reving at 6000 RPM is a good thing.
The cheaper, possibly better way I did was to stick a really big magnet on the outside of my oil filter’s steel case.
This is what an oil filter is for. But it's still good as an indicator.
Started seeing these as a mechanic in the late 70s, I think it was spawned by the fuel crisis around that time when fuel cost started to be a real issues for people and of course scammers saw an opportunity, they managed to con a few people who should have know better, here in Australia a famous race car driver Peter Brock started spruiking one called the "Polariser", GMH disowned him over it.
And the weirdest thing about these is that they do sort of work even if they are not there. Donkeys years ago (1980's) a double blind test was done with a few cars and I think 80 participants. The cars had been tested on dynos with and without the magnets. The difference was declared to be too small to measure if there was a difference (less than 3% if I remember correctly as it was the error margin for the test). However out on the road people were apparently seeing 10% to 15% reduction in fuel usage. Then comes the double blind test - a significant proportion of the people got 10 to 15% savings if they though they had a unit fitted but didn't. The reason? They were driving more efficiently. IE less braking and less heavy footed on the throttle.
Gordon Lawrence a new air filter and inflating the tyres to the correct pressure would probably improve the fuel consumption by 10%.
With my hybrid it appears to charge the electric I have to do heavy braking rather than the gentle coast to a stop I am more used to with my other all petrol car.
I tied two mags around my boros penis and surprisingly he got surprised then I got surprised to how much faster he went so all in all it gave my donkey more mileage more donkey power thanks for the info bud now all the donkeys in my village have improved
@Big Dick No, I am used to in my normal car to coast (not in netural ie turn off the accelerator) to a stop and hardly use the brakes, in hybrids to charge the batteries using the brake pedal diverts engine power to the batteries giving the retardation (by gravity I suppose / kinetic energy) I can tell this from the computer display of power in to out, approaching to a gentle stop uses a bit of fuel and does not charge battery, normal speed in then stop relatively quickly puts a good charge into the battery (? am I actually using more fuel overall doing this, is my actual normal method better ?)
Was it Volkswagen who done the tests ?
Conceivably I think a very strong magnet could align polar molecules like water, but simple hydrocarbons are non-polar. In any case, any alignment would surely disappear almost instantly due to the turbulence generated in the flowing fuel, even in the smoothest-walled fuel lines.
Water is easily influenced by even a weak magnet. Just hold it near your sink with a weak dripple.
Of cause I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your argument. But water is like the best case of a diamagnetic element
@@petermuller608 Water isn't the absolute best case, but it's the best you'll find in some random person's house. Even non-polar molecules will respond to VERY strong magnetic fields, so you don't need the best polar molecules.
Anyway, I wonder if this general concept could work if one had a VERY strong magnetic field right at the combustion chamber (cylinder for a reciprocating ICE). Then maybe turn off the magnetic field during the combustion, using an electromagnet, so this would actually consume some amount of power. That way the field doesn't toss the ionized combustion products right into some tremendous hotspots on the cylinder walls.
never mind the chaotic nature of being atomized by the injectors, maybe the magnets are supposed to be installed just after the nozzles so the atomized fuel is aligned?
And flowing in a steel pipe too
I'm now wondering why old-school LCD displays didn't go black near magnets... (If anything would show that effect it's liquid crystals, you definitely can re-orient them in electric field, that's how those LCDs worked...)
"Everything's made of electrons". BigClive you're a true scientist.
I was so afraid you were going to say they work. My dad use to own a tune up and diagnostic shop (we were the first shop in California to have a dyno) and we even did diagnostic for the local dealers when they could not find problems. Anyway we saw cow magnets about once a week. Worse was the resistor pack that was placed into the top of the coil (sold at county fairs and such) they actually causes early wear of the spark plugs and made cars run badly. At least the magnets were benign and only damaged your wallet. Magnets on the oil pan however is a good idea to collect any possible metal shavings from circulating.
The weird part is that people who fit them often increase the efficiency of the way they drive and save fuel that way but swear it is the magnet doing it.
Yeah I thought that might happen Gordon. So they do infact actually work! :P
I thought they put magnets on the drain plugs for that very reason...
I've seen that as well
i now have a hydrogen system on my car, 5 litres per 100km, and will not freeze and no stainless steel is used. = 90.6 miles per gallon
God, I remember when the Mythbusters tested out one of these. When they tried to explain how it worked they showed an animated stick figure scratching his head and commented that even their animator couldn't figure out how to make sense of what was claimed.
Welcome to the times.
Because of you I did the same and now I hate humanity just that little bit more again.
Mythbusters did a fine job on that. Penn and Teller's Bu&&Shi& show would also be a good venue for exposing this nonsense. There's one born every minute! And most of them have great candy and credit cards!
kind of glad clive has a following who are nearly all non batshit :)
See my reply to EpicLPer
Although these tiny devices don't work. It does work and it is used all the time in hospitals for MRI.
MRI changes the orientation of Hydrogen protons, so that they are aligned with each other, and can be used for other Atoms and possibly other chemicals.
Man pretty cool theory. I’ve heard of these used before but never seen them proven either. But I wouldn’t know cause this guys voice straight up made me nod off in seconds. A long day and his voice explaining things and I’m out stone cold in less than 30 seconds. Lol.
I'd love to see instructions for these. They probably tell you to change driving habits or something like that, then the driver actually notices a little extra time between tank refills. :)
There are a few ways to tell these do nothing. Easiest way to tell is that if they did do anything, even a 1-2% improvement, every car manufacturer would be shipping their vehicles with magnets on the line from the factory to have better economy than their competition.
The more technical way to know is that the vehicle computer is injecting an amount of fuel based on how much air the cylinders have, which is determined by the throttle plate. Even if the magnets did make the fuel flow better, the engine is not limited in any way by fuel flow. Turbulent flow is actually beneficial for fuel as well, because it will allow the fuel to mix and vaporize with the air better.
They's sell their own grandmothers for a few MPG.
No, the easiest ways to tell if they actually worked to is to see how fast the Oil Cartel lobbied lawmakers to ban them, or how quickly the inventor dies of "natural causes".
Jensen567 Exactly. If there was any magic fuel economy improving device the automakers would be the first in line to buy it.
It's all a conspiracy between the automotive and petroleum industries, obviously.
or they just make up MPG figures like VW.
I save fuel costs by stealing all of my petrol. Think smart and stay green everyone.
Vendicar Decarian Or mix it with water (water : petrol = 2 : 1). Only once and never need to be refilled :D
GAS* also aluminum* and tire*(tyre or tye-ree is a black guys name)
Not everybody accepts the American way (which, by the way, the English way was there first, and Americans screwed it up) as correct.
alumiNIum
Excellent
Absolutely brilliant Clive !!!
strapping a magnet on to a pen, creating an everlasting pen ! Quick hire legal, set-up the focus groups. We'll make Billions £££
This idea has been around for many years - so many so that I tried it about 30 years ago.
That said, I never paid a penny for anything, because I'm just the kind of nerd who robs magnets from every speaker, microwave, Hall Effect sensor, etc. at every opportunity - so I had plenty of different magnets to try.
I'm also nerd enough to keep a notebook for things like this, and my findings amounted to figuring that the excess weight of hauling around those few grams of magnets MUST have offset any beneficial fuel savings they provided.
Because a year with them and a year without them amounted to ~ZERO BUPPCIS (sp?) difference.
...and since all my stuff was free, I tried it on four very different vehicles, and got exactly nothing of note.
It's basically a buck and a half of bullshit, and I'm thrilled you pointed that out.
But Clive, You forgot to show how to improve them by adding some blinking LEDs.
Blinking LEDs always improve the placebo effect. ;-)
ZEROSTATIC72 it actually should be working if installed so two 52 gauss neodymium magnets are repelling and on the fuel line closest to the carburetor. Still testing after installing today and the accelerator pedal needs less pressure by 50-80% so at a guess it will be that much saving, a penny saved is a penny earned. Cheers to the doubters but try again and do the install as noted here.
LEDs must be blue of course!
@@Pucflek111 ...no, red
LED's are worth shit these days. You have to put bluetooth in it!
@@DrKlausTrophobie Everything needs Bluetooth. I got a Bluetooth enabled frisbee for Christmas. Astonishingly stupid idea.
These things really work, I got more than enough money for gas from selling them to gulible people.
MrAntiKnowledge how can I get one for myself.
MrAntiKnowledge I absolutely agree! I put two pair of these on the fuel line in my truck over 150000miles ago and HAVE NOT BURNED A DROP of gasoline! These UNDENIABLY saved me on gasoline usage. Of course, the fact the truck is a Diesel may have minorly skewed my results. BWAHAHAHA!
I like you.
Jack Barlow i know how to save you 70% on diesel i sell a rubber wedge that you zip tie under the gas peddle or diesel pedal or throttle peddle and its garentee to save you 70%
Sell them to folks who wear copper bracelets
12:18 Keep it on your pen and you 'll be able to write 10 to 20 pages more! 🤣
Ah yes, the old magnet trick. Trickery before the OBD port appeared!
Jesus... Why do people even fall for this bullshit?
hey there m8
Lack of knowledge on a subject.
Wizard's First Rule: people are stupid.
Oxygen is magnetic, so if I place two magnets on my neck I will breath mor efficently ?
:P
Yes. but they need to be the high powered neodymium types and flat.
They used magnets in old plane engines on the oil lines. They were used to collect metal shavings from the oil from when the engine runs. Keep in mind that oil filters may not always be used on piston aircraft. If the oil pressure is high, or if the filter gets blocked, then the filter and possibly cooler is bypassed completely.
Most cars also have magnets in the oil pans to collect stray metal shavings etc over time.
Steven Haigh This is not that.
Thanks for that clarification :)
I don't think they are used in recent cars as there is very little ferrous metal in engines now, but in the old days yes. I had a Morris 1100s that had the magnet attached to the sump plug to catch the metal bits.
Ah yes the old magnet in the sump plug trick.
I was under the impression that magnets are still used for catching debris in both automotive and aerospace applications. Even some jet engines have them I believe.
PT Barnum nailed it when he said there's a sucker born every minute!
people talk a lot about fuel , but i made a necklace and now I save on beer and food in significant way .
As a mechanic I've seen these cause fuel lines to rust through and leak. Bits of leaves and dirt get lodged between the plastic and fuel line and act like a sponge, soaking up and holding water right up against the fuel line.
Nutz4Gunz45 also, having two types of metals touching will cause galvanic corrosion.
Flassk
well you generally don't have those in your fuel
So you're saying to wrap them with some kind of insulating tape
well thats normal... but uh... dirt and leaves arent magnetic.. its there to catch magnetic crap in your fuel line. old technology.. filters are much better now
It also creates/increases a risk of breaking a fuel line due to extra weight put on flexing and vibrating parts.
In real life, these do much better than in dyno testing. If you locate the magnets as close to the front of the car as possible, they will pull you towards the car in front of you, reducing the amount of fuel needed to follow another car. In an independent test done using a Peel car, the effective horsepower of the car almost doubled! Using larger versions of the magnets on your coolant hoses, will also improve coolant flow. More coolant flow results in an engine which lasts 10x longer, with greater horsepower. If you glue the magnet to your head, it will be easier to think straight as well. And such a fashion statement as well!
Back in the 60's a kid got caught cheating in the soap box derby. If I remember right he had an electromagnet in the nose of his car that he activated when the steel starting gate flipped down. It gave him a small pull. I think he was some kind of champion until he got caught
Magnets on the coolant lines could cause an increase in galvanic corrosion.
@@cindytepper8878 That sounds like something from The Little Rascals. Lmao
You can always tell whether or not something like this works, especially when it's this cheap, by seeing whether or not the car manufacturers decide to implement it. $2 to get more fuel efficiency? They'd definitely go for that.
That pen.....the one with the magnet attached.... will now be AMAZING.
It's awesome. All the ink molecules come out aligned correctly.
They work just fantastic ! It even worked better after I installed muffler bearings and blinker fluid.
i know this was commented 3 years ago but you need to have piston return springs too if you want maximum efficiency
@@lutzbalint3139 to reduce powerloss between engin and wheel gear samd works a miracle!
you know there is blinker fluid and some idiots buy it wow
I just replaced the temperature sensor in my gas pedal which caused my trunk space relay switch to malfunction. That was a nightmare in the making when your trunk is full of junk. Tomorrow I'm changing the oil in my seat belt
@@HurricaneJD dont forget to put new air in your airbags nothign worse than a crash and they dont inflate due to stale air.
You are spot on Clive....All these fuel savers are nothing more than snake oil, if you want to save fuel you would be better putting a tennis ball under the loud pedal!
Loud Pedal. Hehe.
Well a KIng Cobra is more potent coz Cobra's are venomous while Boa's aren't.......by the same token Kangaroos are twice as intelligent as Wallaby's because the are twice as big!
Well, they do sort of reduce your expenditure on fuel, insofar as money that you waste buying this pseudoscientific, pyramid-power magnetic-Atlantis-over-unity-Tesla's-Last-Invention-water-burning-resonance-chakra-aligning-Orgone crap is money you then can't use to buy fuel...
Get a fishing rod and attach a very strong magnet to the top and hold this in front of the car. Because the magnet pulls the csr forward you should save a lot of fuel (except when reversing the car).
I have saved a lot of money on gas with these. I use this to hold the siphon hose to my neighbor's trucks or cars late at night, as I drain their tanks of several gallons. I never have to buy gas now... Brilliant!
Hi Big Clive, thanks for clearing this up, I tried to convince my partner that the magnet fuel saver did not work, and ended up in a heavy discussion. I like how you investigate everything. We think you are great! Blessings, pierre
THEY WORK! I got one on my electric car, haven't needed a drop of gasoline since! :P
Thats because electric motors use magnetism to work you idiot... read a book!!! Its all the same with flat earthers again... a frying pan is flat... so is earth!!!
Γιώργος Τριγωνάκης You know he’s joking, right?
@@rickymac54321 if you have to ask... you dont know I am joking as well
R/wooosh
Electric cars do not require gas. Thats why you saved so much money
bigclive your drawing of the dyno and car wheels reminds me of something .... 3:15 lmao
Haha only just found this channel but that was the first thing I thought lol!
Proof that "A sucker is born every minute" is alive and well.
Yeah, they do nothing. Just like the tornado air turbulence intake insert, "chip boxes" off eBay (just a resistor to fool the ecm a false value), throttle body spacers on any engine not throttle injected or carbureted, or those little plug in OBD2 fuel savers. All false. I'm sure there's more out there that many fall for.
BTW Clive, I've watched your vids for some time. What got me started was the OBD2 eco plug tear down awhile back. I'm mainly a car guy, but your electronic stuff are fascinating too.
There's some small value in the diesel tune-up boxes, if you don't adjust them too far, as they can improve the fuelling somewhat, which is generally on the lean side of absolute maximum attainable power (...without altering the actual injection timings and doing other ECU ROM and engine mods, that is). Reason for that manufacturer choice is that if you adjust a diesel to give its absolute maximum potential, it smokes pretty badly and the economy plummets, as you have to overfuel a little to guarantee using up every last bit of oxygen from the air charge. They'd rather detune it slightly and have it run seemingly clean, as well as uniformly economically, than claim those last few BHP. After all, in most cases, if you want more power they can always sell you a performance model with a larger displacement and/or higher pressure turbo, the beauty of the diesel system being that your part-throttle economy doesn't suffer anywhere near as badly as for a gasoline one (still measurable of course, and also has side effects in terms of extra weight, which is why no-one makes an eco car with a 3-litre diesel,, but it's nowhere near as drastic as the average economy hit of upsizing a gas engine by the same amount).
Hence the booster boxes get bought by those who want to try and get more power from a low-tune model, or make a top-of-the-line one even more powerful... on the cheap, instead of getting the ROM reprogrammed properly or, heaven forfend, actually performing any mechanical alterations. And such buyers rarely know that much about cars or how they operate, and are a touch gullible too, always going for the too-good-to-be-true stuff. As well as often being of the antisocial bent where they don't care how big a cloud of soot their machine chucks out, because that's behind them and only affecting other people (e.g. the "rolling coal" twats... who I bet suddenly don't think it's that great an idea if another one pulls in front of _them_ then floors it)
In this case, however, they do actually get a _little_ payoff from their purchase ... you can spot them, for example, if you're pounding up a steep motorway hill in a budget diesel car and are overtaken by a similar looking machine... making just slightly faster progress than you, but smoking like a fire in a plastic recycling facility. One can't help thinking they'd have been better waiting a few months, then putting the money they wouldn't have spent in extra fuel, cleaning, and catalyser / DPF cleaning and/or replacement towards either a higher tuned OEM version of the same car (which is the prime answer to anyone who asks how to make their base model car faster in a cost-effective fashion; save up for a couple of months then sell it to someone who isn't bothered about speed and buy something with more horsepower out of the box, instead of starting from a basis of limited maximum potential regardless of how much cash you throw at it), or at least a proper professional power-tune...
All the rest of it, though, full agreement.
Clamp them on tight enough to collapse the fuel line and block flow = fuel saving.
A few years ago there was a company selling a gizmo for diesel Land Rovers. It went into the air intake and was supposed to induce a vortex which made air flow "more efficient" and so produce better combustion and improved power output. I bought one and I really thought that it make my Land Rover more responsive (bit of a non sequitur, a "sparky" 2.5 Land Rover diesel). There was a lot of debate abou the thing on one of the Land Rover forums. Eventually someone did a dynamometer test and..... no difference.
In a similar vein, I once asked an experienced Land Rover mechanic about Redex. "Does it work?" He said: "Does it make you feel better, and if so, is that good feeling worth the money?" It's all snake oil, I'm afraid. As someone pointed out in a previous comment, if such a cheap solution made a real difference to fuel economy, the manufacturers would already be fitting them as standard.
I tried this with my old-school cathode ray television and I instantly saw more colors! Miraculous! The colors even stayed on the screen for years!
You know you can fix that with a cassette recorder head demagnetiser, don't you?
I enjoy these 'quack' product reviews, there's some seriously weird stuff out there!
Gasoline is made up of hydrocarbon rings and are non-polar, therefore a magnet will not have an effect on the fuel itself. However, gasoline has detergents which are polar and would react to a magnetic field, but that wouldn't make the fuel burn any better.
Nope not even close. Octane is not a ring it's C8H18 so it has to be a straight molecule the same as septane hexane and nonane. What you are thinking about is the small amount of things like Benzine added as an anti-knock agent. Also anything that has van-der-walls forces can be acted on by a magnet to at least some degree not just the molecules like detergents which are ionic at one end not polarised at all (ionic does not mean polarised). Detergents have a hydrophilic (ionic) and hydrophobic (non-ionic)end.
Will I be able to wash more dishes if I put some magnets on my bottle of washing up liquid?
no it's not...
Octane (C8H18) is an Oct-Alkane an 8-long chain of Carbon coated in Hydrogen.
Benzene (C6H6) is the hydrocarbon ring..
the more H per C the better the fuel..
Gas/Petrol is a mix of all of these things and more..
Octane is still non-polar.
I tried some bipolar fuel a while back. Some days my car would run great, others it didn't want to run at all.
Ya know, magnets on an oil line can be beneficial. It can get metal shavings out of the oil.
Though, if you have metal shavings in your oil, you've got bigger problems than what a magnet can solve.
Also, best way to reduce your fuel consumption, besides not driving, is to slow down. I went from 65 mph to 50 mph over my commute to work and noticed a 3% increase in my fuel economy. All else being mostly equal that is. Same engine oil. Same car. Same tires. I cant control the weather so that's a known variable
So you’re the slow driver. I’d rather spend 3% more on fuel and get where I’m going a tad quicker, life is short.
Wow your preparation makes the quality of your video and editing simply fantastic!
Thank you.
Reminds me of a water softening device I saw at a show recently costing over £300. There were two insulated metal foil tapes to wrap around the pipe, leaving a certain gap between them, and a box of electronics to provide them with a frequency. I don’t seem to have picked up the leaflet, probably because it seemed very over priced, etc.
i bought one of these and they instantly cured my impotence
Does it save fuel
You too! I put a couple of these around my dick and it proved an instant fanny magnet - for androids!
The way you've drawn the car's wheels and dyno rollers at 3:20 must be trending at the moment because I'm sure I've seen them drawn like that in lots of other places. Usually in pub toilets and school text books.
I saw this idea back in the 1970's using cow magnets. It didn't seem to work as described. However, there was also someone back around the same time that made a device to increase gasoline energy output. In the newspaper write up about his discovery he showed a black box that sat over the carburator. I believe he was vaporizing the liquid gas droplets prior to igniting by the sparkplug. Carburators back then used venturi so lots of droplets available. Therefore no unburnt droplets exiting the exhaust. He stated he got his lawnmower running much longer on a tank of gas.
Quack Quack!
I love the printed out pictures. It's lost the magic when everyone just captures their screen to make a video. This feels more natural. Maybe I'm getting old.
BigClive is the REAL mythbuster.
I love how he carefully examines and compares the 'quality' of them . LOL
Always a good idea to concentrate any magnetic impurities in your fuel lines in one place, but then I guess limiting the area fuel can flow will help save fuel.
I'm glad you diplomatically explained that they never worked in the first place.. just in case some moron went out and spent cash on one
Here's an idea, wind a bunch of turns around the inlet manifold and pass a current through it. That way you are processing the fuel right at the point of use, well, almost. And if you put a magnet on the exhaust pipe it will help draw the burnt gases out of the engine (the gas will be magnetized from when it went into the engine, see). If you think long enough you can come up with a theory to back up any sort of claim.
I've been to one of those pyramid conversion cult things... It's pretty creepy how hard people get carried away in those
I've been to earth... It's pretty creepy how hard people get carried away in cults, burning people alive, nailing them to crossess, stoning them to death... All because they didn't do as some invisible guy in the sky said...
The funniest thing about pyramid power? It was all a hoax, deliberately concocted to show just how gullible and foolish people are. And even though it's now been admitted by the original hoaxers, the die-hard believers refuse to abandon their foolishness.
JasonMasters your source or you're the gullible one for thinking it was a con😂
I love you BigClive. You really do amazing work. As a engineer and mechanic as well as electronic tinkering enthusiasts and custom builder. What you do is amazing and you have helped me more times then I can count with understanding a problem.
Your Chinese wire loom explanation was soo good. I have been buying and selling the chineese dirtbikes and quads for years. And the fail point is the wires and cdi boxes. So that video was a god send.
Thank you!!!!
I put one on my network cable. It made my internet so efficient, that it took 5 years off my TH-cam content!
I put a magnet on my fridge, it imploded then exploded, now I've got a whole new universe expanding in my kitchen, thanks
I put some extra strength ones on my new car and when I woke up this morning the car was coverd in tin cans a couple of old old trollys and a cast iron bedstead!
Me too, now a strange fellow that looks suspiciously like Buster Keaton is following me everywhere I drive...
Some people fall for everything ..... some people i know would even buy a bucket of air .....
CutoutGaming oooooh! how much for the air?
£47 per litre...
CutoutGaming Is the bucket included?
well for the air its 50 pounds per psi its a special mountain air refined throu old socks
no the bucket costs another 10 pounds extra its a special plastik bukkit from wallmarkt
I love the gentle debunking here, not being patronising or over the top and screechy, just putting the facts out there (with the addded flavour of creepy cult-like MLM) as part of a discussion of the history of the idea.
I have to say, for cars, I can't see what the benefit would be. One claim is that it reduces drag in the fuel lines, like it makes the fuel flow more freely.
Thing is, most fuel systems, especially modern ones, have decidedly excessive flow rates anyway and work on a circulation basis (a fixed volume is pumped from the tank per second, of which the carb or injectors use whatever amount they like, and the rest goes back into the tank), which keeps the tank contents well-mixed, prevents stagnation/stratification of the fuel according to age, guards against the buildup of sediment around the outflow at the bottom of the tank, and allows the engine to fail in a graceful and progressive manner if the tank runs dry (the occasional coughing, followed by protracted spluttering then ultimately cyclical cutting in/out that you might recognise if you've ever cut things a bit too fine, giving you a chance to pull over safely and turn off the engine before too many contaminants get into it... instead of it running fine then suddenly cutting out, possibly combined with a a plug of sediment being sucked into the line). The actual flow rate being slightly higher than what the engine can use even at maximum throttle and revs, and commonly actually higher than what the most powerful model in a range would use even after a stage 1 or 2 performance tune-up. Even so, the amount of power drawn from the engine, either mechanically and/or electrically, to drive that system is pretty minimal. Even a half-dead battery can power it just fine, which is why you can still bump-start an engine long after the starter has given up. So even if the magnets genuinely reduced the fuel system friction to zero (...which would make it hard to build up any pressure for simpler injection systems?), you wouldn't really see any noticeable change in the overall efficiency. For a smaller engine and non-cycling fuel system like a motorcycle, after all, the pressure from a few inches of vertical separation between tank and carb/injector(s) is more than enough to run the system, so other than at the outlet of the injector (and the rail in a high-pressure common-rail setup) the overall system pressure and power use can't be very much at all. No more than what the oil or water pumps take, certainly, and I don't see anyone coming up with silly magnetic systems to try and improve _their_ efficiency., even though they also have to raise large volumes of fluid through a height of a foot or more under nontrivial pressure.
The other main claim is that it improves combustion efficiency somehow, and in some cases the effectiveness of the catalytic converter. Which is just absolute bunk of the highest order. The very JOB of a carburettor or injection system, as well as the design of any combustion chamber and cylinder head/breathing system built after maybe 1925 is to induce as much swirl and turbulence in the fuel-air mixture as possible to guarantee a homogenous, evenly-burning charge. A perfectly laminar stream of magnetically-aligned fuel particles would be complete anathema to that. Not only would it be almost impossible to achieve regardless of how uniform the fluid within the supply pipes, it would only serve to damage the engine's power output and efficiency. As for any kind of order being imposed on the exhaust (and thus the gases going through the cat), you can completely forget it - the very act of burning the fuel in a short, sharp explosion (or deflagration, for diesel...) under considerable pressure within a chamber whose shape and size is continually changing means the exhaust is in a completely turbulent, chaotically mixed state. Even if your magnetic domains were absolutely perfectly aligned going in... AND they somehow survived the several-hundred-celcius (if not higher) heat of combustion instead of being Curied into oblivion.... they'd be returned to their original randomly-mixed state by the time they left the engine.
Where the idea probably came from is the use in warplanes and the like, for the exact same reason that you'd install a magnet within or close to the working fluids of any engine; to catch potentially damaging bits of metal swarf that might have found their way into said fluid, without having to add a flow-restricting and power/economy sapping filter into the circuit, or to allow said filter's removal or redesign for higher flow at the cost of filtering efficiency, especially for very tiny but still damaging particles. You might most commonly find a catch-magnet at the bottom of a gearbox oil pan (the oil being essentially sealed-in for life, and rarely even checked or topped up, let alone changed or filtered), and after a hundred thousand miles of service it may have gathered quite a coating of loose metal flakes and chips, both the random rough surface artefacts of the geartrain's engineering being worn smooth over time, and the side effect of any missed shifts that grind the gears. Performance cars may also have one installed into their sump, or elsewhere in a dry-sump system, allowing for use of a coarser meshed but higher flow filter - though I have myself owned even economy models which had a magnetic drain plug that you're meant to wipe clean of chips and particles at each oil change.
(Funnily enough, my bike only has a very small, coarse, washable/reusable oil filter that's accessible at changes... you just give it a swill in a little petrol whilst waiting for the last of the old oil to drain... I don''t even know if it's magnetic, I doubt it. Honda instead installed an innovative - or infamous, depending on your POV - centrifugal filter system attached to the crankshaft side of the primary reduction gear, which essentially does the same job as a magnetic block but for all heavy particles, not just metallic ones... they get flung out and stick on the rim of the filter, whilst the lighter, particle-free oil escapes out of holes closer to the middle... over time the filter gets progressively gunged up with gritty, waxy nastiness and ultimately can cause a non-fatal soft seize of the engine, prompting even the most negligent owner to take it to a mechanic to have the cack scraped out and probably the clutch changed at the same time, but despite that generally still works just fine for at least 50,000 miles without attention if you use decent oil and fuel, and perform the oil changes scrupulously in line with the otherwise rather extreme 2,500 mile schedule...)
Of course, if you have a fighter plane, you want as mechanically simple a system as you can get away with for the power output, to save weight, reduce the number of service parts (each one is another potential point of failure either through wear and tear or combat damage, adds to the cost of running the machine, and means it spends more time being serviced instead of up in the air), and make them cheaper / less resource heavy and faster to manufacture in great numbers. You also want the minimum possible restriction to the fuel, oil, coolant etc flows, but without too great a risk of damaging an engine that will spend a high proportion of its service life running at full military power. You're also likely going to fit a very simple, if not outright crude fuel tank made out of simple stamped / seam welded metal with no rust protection whatsoever, because it's likely the plane will be shot down before serious corrosion sets in.
So, you use fairly coarse, high flow filters to catch any large flakes of swarf, rust, or other dirt, use powerful magnetic filters to catch the rest of the metal / rust particles which might otherwise clog things up or cause accelerated wear, and just let the remaining non-metallic (well, non-ferrous... we're probably not really bothered about aluminium bits though) dust and grit through because it's comparitively lower in quantity, less damaging, and will mostly burn up within the cylinders and be turned into carbon soot anyway.
All of which, if you read it wrong, makes it look like"put magnetic filters on your fuel line [or wherever], get a more powerful and efficient machine". Even though that's not the case if you leave the regular fuel / oil / etc filters in place, as is the case when you simply strap a cheap magnet kit onto your fuel line without performing any other mods, instead of radically altering several other aspects of the machine - said mods actually being the reason why you need the magnets, not the other way round... they don't cause the efficiency increase, they merely safely facilitate the alterations that do.
I've improved the performance of my 91 Honda CRX with $5 dollars worth of Home Depot PVC. I made a cold air intake scoop which not only lets the engine breath better, it pressurizes the intake at speed giving me more performance and mpg.
I did this with neodymium magnets and now my pistons are stuck help
Pistons are aluminum
With steel rings, dont forget.
I have seen very similar ones sold to put on your water pipes to "remove lime scale" and are even marketed as Magnetic Water Softeners.
Mark Eckelkamp - I've got a feeling that those doo hickies have been properly tested and might actually work... Hmmm... Clive?
Nah, those are a scam too.
They are a complete piece of Shit.
the one for the water pipes have a reason, when it's combined with a million other things... but if they claim to remove limescale sound quacky at best
Actually, it works very well, but as a preventative measure and in a closed loop heating systems made out of steel pipes. Magnetiser will not remove any limescale and will not make your tap water any softer.
It had never occurred to me that these work, fuel being non-polar molecules, and fuel lines being steel anyway, conducting the magnetic field around the fuel lol, so needless to say coming across this video, on THIS channel was quite an eyebrow raiser! Thanks again for the entertainment. :)
keep up the good work Clive, love it.
Fluid flowing while keeping the magnetic alignment intact.
Seems legit
It reminds me of the time when someone sold toothpaste with Thorium added - for no apparent reason.
As long as there is man on Earth, there will be man selling snake oils, and man buying snake oils.
Think this was the first video I watched of yours
You'd be amazed how many of these gimmicks you find on peoples cars... these and the sheet metal (non magnetic) internal air cleaner variety. As a side note... almost never mentioned is the fact that in most cars, all the fuel is normally passed right through the middle of very robust electromagnets... and even acts as a coolant for them. Said magnetic devices are the fuel injectors proper.
I bought 4 fuel saving devices and connected them at the same time to have 4 times the savings. And it works.
My calculation:
X=15 (Believe Value)
0*0*0*0+X=15% less fuel consumption.
Absolute madness and therefore of course highly recommended. Of course, the X-factor in the calculation is super important. Without it, you still save 0 percent, which is better than using more.
I shoved one of these in my breast pocket and it worked - my pacemaker immediately used a lot less power.
Like always with this stuff: If it was this easy, it would be built into the car from the factory.
Or being sold for $500 each.
@@Blubbpaule nah. The chinese things would still exist and be just as cheap.
These make as much sense as applying magnets to bread to make it cut thinner. There’s some science out there on Lorentz force showing an effect on diesel fuel by breaking down charged particles into smaller, more easily burned forms. Others claim it has a more profound effect on gasoline/petrol. I’m very sceptical of the latter and it will take a bit to convince me that petrol is susceptible to magnetic fields of this low intensity. It seems the people selling these have cherry-picked these studies with little to show that these little gadgets work in real world applications. Remember the magnetic bracelet fad?
My wife bought a set of these to keep mice out of the kitchen. It works! If only a larger sized set would exist, we could get rid of the elephants too.
I got a truck load of magnets of Flea Bay,, litterally 1000s of them, the type folk use for scrap metal fishing in rivers / canals, 500 KG pull weight. I put one on the front of me car, the other on the back, { hidden of course , so no oik could nick em. }
then over the next few weeks, went about putting the other magnets onto other folks cars
in the dead of night, in car parks, and thee,s were at a reverse polarity than ones on my own car magnets.
This is when the magnets really save fuel, as get 20 -25 foot behind a car with the magnet in the rear, I get pulled along quite alot, so ease of the accelerator,
but best when another car comes along,wth the magnets fitted to the front, at about 20-25 foot,
I then get pushed along, so much so now, I can now just use the throttle a little bit.
Even better when another car comes up behind the car already pushing me, cos if its got a magnet on its front, then it pushes the other car infront closer to me, so I then drive with me engine switched off,, this so I dont get pulled into the car infront, which is already pulling me along. Went 150 miles one day with out engine running,
fantastic thingys are the big magnets, my fuel MPG is now well over 1,000 MPG.
Where do you put in the snake oil?
I just love how you printed the ebay page instead of recording your screen and editing it in the video.
Clive doesn't edit lol.
His editting software is the pauze button on the camera.
What you were saying around 11:00 about people finding it effective once they buy it is also true because no one really pays attention to their normal cars mileage. I actually track that and know that my car is pretty stable around 22 mpg. Most people don't bother so when they suddenly see 27 mpg they get excited not realizing that could just be from the long haul on the highway they had a few days ago.
Toyota engineer Saburo Miyata Moriya patented this concept in the '60s. Apparently the magnets are supposed to be very strong for it to work. He also patented passing current through the fuel in addition to the magnets, which probably works better. His patents said these fuel treatments cause the fuel to disperse into finer droplets in the carburetor.
Yeah, I was about to say. ChrisFix totally busted these things.
Here's how to save on fuel cost while using those magnets: install them on your car, sell it, use public transport.
If I was a scammer I'd make a type that fit on a beer bottle neck, then I'd claim they decrease the amount of times you have to go pee.
Very nice fridge magnets
I put two magnets on the sides of my head. Now, I’m a Cray computer!
Wow, amazing this stuff is still around. The magnet trick was debunked in the early 1980's. (not that there was much to debunk, the theory behind it laughable just on the surface.)
Please explain how magnets work.
They warp space and time. Ever noticed how time speeds up when you're playing with magnets?
www.howmagnetswork.com
Of course they work, even better with an old car where the tank is going rusty, the particles will be attracted to the magnets and restrict the flow of fuel
Maybe if your car has a carburetor, and fuel line is so clogged up that it wont get enough gas even with float valve fully open.. With fuel injection, O2 sensor will detect that it is running lean and increase injection time to compensate.
Here in the Netherlands, we have a very popular "water softener" product based on magnets called the AMFA4000. You strap it around your main water pipe and supposedly it would remove all the calcium from the water. The worst thing is they charge 140 euro for a bunch of magnets and they're able to buy a lot of tv ads for years now, so they are obviously successful in scamming a lot of people.
They sell the magnetic water softeners here too.