I know people are saying BKG is slipping I think mostly cause of his semis performance the last couple of years but tbf he literally didn’t do one of the events last year and he still tied for 10th that many years in the top 10 I guess it has to end sometime but I wouldn’t be so quick to count him out when it gets to the games
LOL Dani would walk into any gym in the world and FLUSH everyone in there in any workout, unless one of the 20 fittest men/women in the WORLD are in there too. Y’all need to stop acting like getting to the Games is easy.
I think you guys are massively overhyping grace walton I like her but she came 15th at WZA and that’s with the points from an event win in the swim and we know that that wasn’t a games caliber field especially on the women’s side if you’re coming 15th there with that competition I’d expect mid to low 20s for the games. It reminds me of Ellie turner back in 21 she wins back to back event at WZA and then makes it to the games her first time with Kara in the field and 3 spots people really hyping her up but then places 26th still good for a rookie - I know you’ll say they’re different athletes and I agree but I do think it’ll be difficult for grace to make the top 20 imo.
It's hilarious to me that John thinks a 1 mile swim is so long. That's just a regular Sunday of active recovery. 800 is absolutely nothing. It blows my mind that in 2024, a CF games athlete would be worried about a swim event
Nipper is pre-junior lifesaving for kids ages 7-13. You then become a junior lifesaver. A note for Tyler is that this also exists in South Africa (I did it in Cape Town as a child as did my sister).
I don’t know what Tyler thinks about South Africans, but many of us grow up swimming. I started swimming at a very young age (about 2). If you grew up on the coast, the likelihood is you’re going to be a half-decent swimmer if you’re into CF.
@@johnyoung7791 not speaking about Tia, but saying she isn’t a great runner isn’t exactly correct when she came 2nd in the 23’ Semis Snatches + 800m, 2nd in the 24’ Semis E1 and cleaned up at the 24’ WZA trail run beating numerous men she ran at the same time as. She’ll surprise you and the girls will need a good gap on her (which I don’t think they’ll have) before that swim if it’s anywhere near 800-1000m. Top 5 incoming 👀
@@zanehealey1206I don’t disagree with you I think she can top 3 this event I guess when I said not a good runner….im referencing the BEST runners…(Tia/haley/emily) she lost to Maddie in semifinals run event and I wouldn’t put her in the best runner category either….all that being said 10-15 in the run, top 2 in the swim = 3-5th place And then if she proves that logic wrong I’ll let the world know Zane tried to tell me and I didn’t listen 😂
Emma Tall came 3rd in 2021 event 1. But that kayak was a big chunk of time. Bethany Flores came 3rd in swim paddle 2019. Migala won the capital...is she an ok swimmer?
Can’t wait for the paddle boat broadcast we just need to start the cuts argument between Taylor and John and see how comes back out the water afterwards 👀😈😅😂
Моят лош брат, независимо... азиатските/южноамериканските атлети рутинно показват, че не знаят как да участват чисто... и аз просто мисля, че трябва да се наказва сурово, за да се възпират бъдещи измами... само за да знаете, Аз съм голям фен на Karlos Nasarr, въпреки че той също беше използвал PED... различен спорт... независимо от това, човекът е звяр.
My thought on cuts is that it makes it more exciting for spectators #1 but #2 the athletes have to sell their soul on every workout because if not they could potentially get cut. I think it takes out the “oh I know im not going to do good at this wod so im just doing the bare minimum and saving my gas for the next wod” out of play. Cuts are good when done right and I think having it come down to the top 5 or 10 on Sunday and have a gauntlet of wods for a “Championship series day” type deal would be awesome
The world record for the 500 meter swim is 4minutes. I was an average D3 swimmer and got 8 minutes in the 500(PR). I don’t think the swim is where you can make up tons of ground on event 1.
The 4x400 team event needs to get back to Dave Castro so he will put it in there! That would be sick! Especially if they could do a bracket style elimination, they could have a short and sweet seeding rd wod of some sorts.
If Dallin understood the math, he'd care about the cuts. Not because they jeopardize his ability to make the final day, but because the final day events mean more in terms of relative placing (due to adjusted scoring tables). For example, it is perfectly plausible that his best events happen before the cuts, while the later events favor his closest competitors. In that scenario, he could beat them in overall placings through the week but lose podium position because the point gap between placements in the post-cut events gave his closest competitors the edge in total score. Whether this effect helps him or hurts him, if he understood it, he'd care. The fact is cuts have a multivariate impact that compromises the integrity of the test. They inject an outcome fragility external to the test itself, which deligitimizes the title and diminishes The Games. If you like cuts, fine...just admit you care more about the "show" than you do about finding out who is actually "The Fittest on Earth." (Either that, or you're mathematically illiterate.)
Based on this I would call into the category of watching it for the show. With that said, we still call the winner of the NCAA basketball tournament the national champion even if it’s an upset. Same for any sport with a playoff. In CrossFit’s case we are crowing the world champion, or “Fittest on Earth”, based on the format with cuts.
@thebarbellspin An "upset" just means the expected winner didn't win. With the cuts (as currently instantiated), we can juggle a few event orders and get a different "winner" for no reason other than the impact of reweighted placement values. This increases the odds of winning without actually being the best. While, to your point, this is also true of other competitions, it is not an aspect that CF should seek to emulate. Furthermore, while all sports contain a significant element of luck, it is usually, though not exclusively, an unintended consequence of operating within an imperfect world--a problem with execution. In the case of the CF cuts, it's an avoidable flaw in the design and represents a regression in the formula. The Games of 2018, for example, were superior in this regard. I was drawn to CF for several reasons. First, I have always, without exception, fought to the "death" in every aspect of every competition in which I have ever competed. "Death before surrender" is a code that has served me well in sport, business, and life. I saw people dying on the floor on ESPN years ago and immediately thought, "These are my people." Second, I live in pursuit of truth...to the exclusion of all other considerations. The exhaustive tests and consistent scoring of prior years represented a form of beautiful truth. It wasn't perfect, but it came as close as any sport ever has. Dave has made it clear that the reintroduction of cuts is primarily about putting on a better show. Sadly, in making this transition, he has sacrificed the pursuit of truth upon the altar of "entertainment value." That sacrifice offends me to my very core.
John, you made to be a cohost under the likes of Sevan and Spin . . . that is your zone. Your new gig with Wodprep is no-beuno. No chemistry. Stick with Sevan and Spin.
@johnyoung7791 long run, who wins that part? Swim- probably Tia, but we have not seen this distance combo. It should be great fun. But, if you are going to analyze, look at a variety of workouts. What about event 10 in 2021? Expand your analysis.
And a swim paddle isn't a run/swim. Look at her Capitol run and her second place in the swim/paddle. Look at her 3rd place in Event 10, 2021, longer runs. Tia took 5th. Haley's engine may be the best when it comes to monostructural workouts. Look at bike to work. Also, she was 2nd in Event 1 of the Semis. The 800m run looked easy on her. But there is no barbell in Run/swim. Betting on Haley. Maybe it's a heart choice. But, we all make these, don't we?
What if run swim has like grace or a Benchmark thrown in the middle? Mayb castro wasn't trolling Austin? And he does keep asking athletes their favourite Benchmark?
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I know people are saying BKG is slipping I think mostly cause of his semis performance the last couple of years but tbf he literally didn’t do one of the events last year and he still tied for 10th that many years in the top 10 I guess it has to end sometime but I wouldn’t be so quick to count him out when it gets to the games
LOL Dani would walk into any gym in the world and FLUSH everyone in there in any workout, unless one of the 20 fittest men/women in the WORLD are in there too.
Y’all need to stop acting like getting to the Games is easy.
I think you guys are massively overhyping grace walton I like her but she came 15th at WZA and that’s with the points from an event win in the swim and we know that that wasn’t a games caliber field especially on the women’s side if you’re coming 15th there with that competition I’d expect mid to low 20s for the games. It reminds me of Ellie turner back in 21 she wins back to back event at WZA and then makes it to the games her first time with Kara in the field and 3 spots people really hyping her up but then places 26th still good for a rookie - I know you’ll say they’re different athletes and I agree but I do think it’ll be difficult for grace to make the top 20 imo.
I agree like Gracie too but think she’s gonna struggle at the games
Plus im pretty sure in the cross ranking for the semis all her event results minus the rowing one were in the bottom 20/30
It's hilarious to me that John thinks a 1 mile swim is so long. That's just a regular Sunday of active recovery. 800 is absolutely nothing. It blows my mind that in 2024, a CF games athlete would be worried about a swim event
Nipper is pre-junior lifesaving for kids ages 7-13. You then become a junior lifesaver. A note for Tyler is that this also exists in South Africa (I did it in Cape Town as a child as did my sister).
I predict an Amanda variation. I'm always so impressed with how much spin knows! 👏👏👏
Haley is the fastest long distance runner. Look at the Capitol.
I don’t know what Tyler thinks about South Africans, but many of us grow up swimming. I started swimming at a very young age (about 2). If you grew up on the coast, the likelihood is you’re going to be a half-decent swimmer if you’re into CF.
I agree - Africans will be mostly in the top 15 we're more comfortable in the water and in running. Expecting Ruan to make a big statement here
Would the Dubai Burj Khalifa stair climb 2022 be a good comparison for Chad? Aniol Ekai came 2nd, ahead of Fikowski. Cringle came 2nd ahead of Rolfe.
100% probably the best thing we got to go off of
John my guy, you clearly haven’t seen Grace run much if you think she’s not a great runner. Girl is fast.
Not Tia fast
@@johnyoung7791 not speaking about Tia, but saying she isn’t a great runner isn’t exactly correct when she came 2nd in the 23’ Semis Snatches + 800m, 2nd in the 24’ Semis E1 and cleaned up at the 24’ WZA trail run beating numerous men she ran at the same time as. She’ll surprise you and the girls will need a good gap on her (which I don’t think they’ll have) before that swim if it’s anywhere near 800-1000m. Top 5 incoming 👀
@@zanehealey1206I don’t disagree with you I think she can top 3 this event I guess when I said not a good runner….im referencing the BEST runners…(Tia/haley/emily) she lost to Maddie in semifinals run event and I wouldn’t put her in the best runner category either….all that being said 10-15 in the run, top 2 in the swim = 3-5th place
And then if she proves that logic wrong I’ll let the world know Zane tried to tell me and I didn’t listen 😂
@@johnyoung7791 I’ll accept that response, we’ll take a top 3-5 😂 see you in Texas on that Kayak you’ve now promised us 🚣🏽♀️
@@johnyoung7791 see you on that Kayak in Texas Mr. Young 🚣🏽♀️
Emma Tall came 3rd in 2021 event 1. But that kayak was a big chunk of time. Bethany Flores came 3rd in swim paddle 2019. Migala won the capital...is she an ok swimmer?
Can’t wait for the paddle boat broadcast we just need to start the cuts argument between Taylor and John and see how comes back out the water afterwards 👀😈😅😂
@JY I’m not Russian 😂 also I don’t support PEDs. I’m a fan but still think your proposal was stupid 🤝 8:04
Моят лош брат, независимо... азиатските/южноамериканските атлети рутинно показват, че не знаят как да участват чисто... и аз просто мисля, че трябва да се наказва сурово, за да се възпират бъдещи измами... само за да знаете, Аз съм голям фен на Karlos Nasarr, въпреки че той също беше използвал PED... различен спорт... независимо от това, човекът е звяр.
@@johnyoung7791😂😂😂 appreciate the efforts replying in Bulgarian. 🙌Did not expect that 😂
Has anyone asked Hatfield if he’s a bit scared of John 😂
My thought on cuts is that it makes it more exciting for spectators #1 but #2 the athletes have to sell their soul on every workout because if not they could potentially get cut. I think it takes out the “oh I know im not going to do good at this wod so im just doing the bare minimum and saving my gas for the next wod” out of play. Cuts are good when done right and I think having it come down to the top 5 or 10 on Sunday and have a gauntlet of wods for a “Championship series day” type deal would be awesome
Ohh I like John's twist for Chad!
The world record for the 500 meter swim is 4minutes. I was an average D3 swimmer and got 8 minutes in the 500(PR). I don’t think the swim is where you can make up tons of ground on event 1.
The 4x400 team event needs to get back to Dave Castro so he will put it in there! That would be sick! Especially if they could do a bracket style elimination, they could have a short and sweet seeding rd wod of some sorts.
Does JY still have semi finals aspirations?
If Dallin understood the math, he'd care about the cuts. Not because they jeopardize his ability to make the final day, but because the final day events mean more in terms of relative placing (due to adjusted scoring tables).
For example, it is perfectly plausible that his best events happen before the cuts, while the later events favor his closest competitors. In that scenario, he could beat them in overall placings through the week but lose podium position because the point gap between placements in the post-cut events gave his closest competitors the edge in total score. Whether this effect helps him or hurts him, if he understood it, he'd care.
The fact is cuts have a multivariate impact that compromises the integrity of the test. They inject an outcome fragility external to the test itself, which deligitimizes the title and diminishes The Games. If you like cuts, fine...just admit you care more about the "show" than you do about finding out who is actually "The Fittest on Earth." (Either that, or you're mathematically illiterate.)
Based on this I would call into the category of watching it for the show. With that said, we still call the winner of the NCAA basketball tournament the national champion even if it’s an upset. Same for any sport with a playoff.
In CrossFit’s case we are crowing the world champion, or “Fittest on Earth”, based on the format with cuts.
@thebarbellspin An "upset" just means the expected winner didn't win. With the cuts (as currently instantiated), we can juggle a few event orders and get a different "winner" for no reason other than the impact of reweighted placement values. This increases the odds of winning without actually being the best. While, to your point, this is also true of other competitions, it is not an aspect that CF should seek to emulate.
Furthermore, while all sports contain a significant element of luck, it is usually, though not exclusively, an unintended consequence of operating within an imperfect world--a problem with execution. In the case of the CF cuts, it's an avoidable flaw in the design and represents a regression in the formula. The Games of 2018, for example, were superior in this regard.
I was drawn to CF for several reasons. First, I have always, without exception, fought to the "death" in every aspect of every competition in which I have ever competed. "Death before surrender" is a code that has served me well in sport, business, and life. I saw people dying on the floor on ESPN years ago and immediately thought, "These are my people." Second, I live in pursuit of truth...to the exclusion of all other considerations. The exhaustive tests and consistent scoring of prior years represented a form of beautiful truth. It wasn't perfect, but it came as close as any sport ever has. Dave has made it clear that the reintroduction of cuts is primarily about putting on a better show. Sadly, in making this transition, he has sacrificed the pursuit of truth upon the altar of "entertainment value." That sacrifice offends me to my very core.
John you ain't staying with Ricky for 3 minutes. You be trash talking and Ricky's like "you never had me'
@20:17 shots fired
If there's a cap, then someone could just stop after the run. Unless there was a min work requirement.
50:18 DO IT!!!!!!!!!
Make a group to paddle board altogether 😊
John, you made to be a cohost under the likes of Sevan and Spin . . . that is your zone. Your new gig with Wodprep is no-beuno. No chemistry. Stick with Sevan and Spin.
Haley was 2nd in the Swimpaddle.
You are absolutely right….who was first?
@johnyoung7791 long run, who wins that part? Swim- probably Tia, but we have not seen this distance combo. It should be great fun. But, if you are going to analyze, look at a variety of workouts. What about event 10 in 2021? Expand your analysis.
And a swim paddle isn't a run/swim. Look at her Capitol run and her second place in the swim/paddle. Look at her 3rd place in Event 10, 2021, longer runs. Tia took 5th. Haley's engine may be the best when it comes to monostructural workouts. Look at bike to work. Also, she was 2nd in Event 1 of the Semis. The 800m run looked easy on her. But there is no barbell in Run/swim. Betting on Haley. Maybe it's a heart choice. But, we all make these, don't we?
Why do you think Tia is a faster 3.5 mile runner than Haley?
I think they’ll be together
But let’s be real. Tia will likely be ahead
What if run swim has like grace or a Benchmark thrown in the middle? Mayb castro wasn't trolling Austin? And he does keep asking athletes their favourite Benchmark?