This is what I’d did. Rtx a2000, 32 gigs of ram, i7-7700, hp 800 sff 3, found a larger power supply too. Currently runs destiny 2 on the highest settings.
I have a Ryzen 3100x (from an FX 6300 processor) and an old 1060 (up from a 750ti) If I get anything, it will probably be either an A2000 or a 4060 that’s undervolted, along with either a 5800X3D, or 5950X both at 50 watts
@@ETAPRIME hey there Prime. I've looked but couldn't find any videos with you modifying any of the mini/ tiny office PC's. I've seen you make these low end budget builds using these older SFF Office PC's. But I was wondering if you've done so with some of the "mini"/ "tiny" 1L Office PC's as well ? The tiny Lenovo ThinkCentre models m720q, m920q, m90q, p320, p330 & I believe also the m920x each all have an actual PCIe Express Slot (I believe x8). & there's x16 to x8 adapters/ connector cards (90° angle) made for this mod to add a single slot discrete GPU into the original housing. Some people have done it and drilled or cut holes in the top over the CPU & GPU fans for better airflow. Some have even 3D printed a new top cover/ lid for this upgrade. It'd be nice if you could do a video on it showing newer games running on it. I've seen a couple people do it with A2000 single slot mods. & it'd also be cool to see someone do it with a RX 6400 using Chimera OS. Which that I haven't seen yet (you'd be the 1st). Also it seems everyone that's done the GPU upgrade on a 1L mini/ tiny are using the i5 8500t variants of those ThinkCentre models mentioned above.
@ETAPRIME You mention @0:45 that the computer is an HP ProDesk 600 G3, but @5:04 your system information shows it as an EliteDesk 800 G3. It's a minor difference formwise, but it could play a factor when considering graphics cards and the slot layouts.
I made one of these with an RTX 3060 12gb single fan card. You can replace this PSU with a flex ATX and use a 24 to 6 pin adaptor. Use a riser cable and turn the GPU vertically, then you can use a piece of scrap metal and a drill and make a mounting bracket and screw it in. You will need to remove the GPU's original mounting bracket and then screw in the bracket you made directly onto the GPU and attach that that to the back of the case by drilling a hole and using a screw. I then cut a whole in the side panel and attached a grill and 120 MM fan, so the GPU got more airflow. Back in the old days they made cases with intake fans mounted to the side panel.
I would just avoid the Optiplex SFF systems since the x16 slot is right next to the power supply. Really, the ideal solution in these older SFF systems is to get the HP Z240 for 6th and 7th Generation or the Z2 G4 for the 8th or 9th Generation. Ample room, so no need to cut and the x16 slot is next to the CPU. They also tend to have better power supplies than Lenovo or Dell. If you wanted to use this system, the MSi 3050 6GB might fit without any need to cut.
Yeah. I have two Optiplex units. A 70xx and a 90xx. I don't think that the PSUs could handle this card and I'm not sure if I could get one, or if it would even be worth getting upgraded PSUs.
Yes, as someone who uses an SFF Optiplex, you're very limited due to that slot being right next to the PSU. I don't like it but I also like free sooooo..... 😅 I'd definitely recommend the HP over the Dell if possible for that reason.
@@lisafan6365 I'm not 100% sure. I don't have one of these to test it in. It's not a lot shorter, but the Gigabyte model is 181mm long where the MSi is 174mm long. If you can find one, the Zotac would definitely fit at 161mm long.
@@Zaxbox Yeah... it depends on the CPU. With an older quad core i7, you'd probably be fine. But once you jump into the 8th and 9th Gen, those suckers can pull 80 watts or more when gaming, plus the 70 watts that this consumes, plus whatever the rest of the system is using. I just bought a Precision 3431 SFF for some testing, and the poor thing has an i5 9500 with a 200 watt PSU, and they can come with the 9700 as well. Where the Z2 G4 has a 310 watt unit, and there's a 400 watt unit with PCIe power that you can install.
The Sparkle A380 LP fits in that case with no mods. It isn't as fast, but if you're the kind of person that doesn't want to cut the metal to make the 3050 fit it might be worth a shot.
i really wish more AIB's leaned in to making low profile 3050's like they did with the rx 6400's. regular form factor doesn't make much sense for GPU's like these, but in an SFF - there's a very solid use case argument for them.
I feel like they are all colluding not to. If they either made more true single slot cards or put the x16 slot higher to make room for more cards they might not sell as many new "gaming" pc
G4 is redesign model for the HP 800 line. Both the Mini and the SFF get an additional M.2 slot. The G4 is the first Windows 10 only model the G3 is the last supported Windows 7 model. You also get more and better USB ports on the G4. You can also find bare units for under $100. Also anyone wanting to do Windows 11 is going to want the G4. The G3 does have a 2.0 TPM but maybe flashed with 1.2 TPM
Ages ago, thanks to ETA's videos, I picked up a refurbed G1 from Amazon for 300 (I thought Dell's optiplex was ugly so I opted for a similar make from another company). It was upgraded to Win10. I swapped the motherboard to a mid tower case, upped the processor, added hard drives and currently use a RTX A2000 over the years. It's what I'm using now, only issue is Win10 killed the HP USB3 driver.
@@TheRealAlpha2 Yeah I work in IT and we run exclusively HP. You can try using HP Image assistant to get the USB3 working correctly again. I have several SFF and mid tower G1 units and they are still running great but the 4th gen intel processors in them are just getting too slow. The G4 is now 6 years old so they are going to be rock bottom and everyone is dumping them. You should be able to find an affordable G5/G6 as well but that is only processor upgrade. There is no G7. G8 will be coming up on 3 year mark soon that is another redesign model with Pcie 4, USB 3.2, and the last model to take DDR4 memory.
I LOVE these sff builds! Still running my i7-4790 / GTX 1650 on my HP Elitedesk 800 g1 and it rocks for what it is! I’ve played even Cyberpunk at low settings at around 30fps. If you use something like GeForce Now, this really works well!
this is wayyyyyy more interesting than the latest and greatest build haha....im running a 5700x with the 4060 solo fan in a k39 v3 5liter build and its the best thing on earth ;) cost me around 1000 canadian dollar :)
I just got out of the ps5 xbox sX and wanted something smaller than my main PC. I love consoles and missed the ps2 gamecube days. love the build you did.
The usage and power consumption looks low in some games. Now I did have 7700k instead of the non K, but it shouldn't be that far apart. Completely stock at 4.2Ghz all core and 70ish watts. 50W and under 70-80% usage seems way too low.
I got my hands on a batch of Dell Optiplex 5050 PCs that my employer was just going to throw out. I took one and threw in an MSI LP RTX 3050 and added some RAM and an M.2. It's only a 7th Gen i5 but I'm going to use it for emulation. So far it seems to be handling everything quite well. Thanks for the inspiration!
For me I would probably go for the Dell Vostro MT desktop with a 8th gen or 9th gen CPU to pair a bit more better with that GPU. I seen a couple go on eBay for under $200.
I done this same sort of build except with a lenovo 8th gen sff and a 4060 low profile. luckily the model lenovo I got was able to get a 450 watt OEM psu upgrade with the 8pin on it for the gpu.
Love these guys! Save the environment and make gaming more accessible. More gamers=more of a chance for otherwise "dead" games to flourish. People are still playing cs 1.6, so graphics hardly matter when it comes to finding a great game to play.
My TV PC is basically one of those HP's with a I7-6700 - 32GB Ram and 500GB nvme drive. I simply bought a 70$ CAD RTX 1050 Ti which while not the best, adequate for my use. It's a PC for Movies, netflix, prime and light gaming on a 75" Sony TV. Plays Streets of Rage4 perfectly on 4k and some other games.
i5-8500 elitedesk are just about as cheap. 2 more cores. I've got that with a 4060 LP shoved in. (undervolted to 80w, it's taking 5 watts off a SATA to 8 pin and the other 75 from the PCIE slot)
@@zeddproduction6360In the elitedesk 800 g4, you'll have to dremel a small piece off the HDD frame to fit a 4060. No performance loss to undervolting. 1% down, 1% up, depends on game. always within margin of error.
They deliver more than advertised. I got 1030 working on prodesk 400, also 1050 which should not work on 35w slot, but it works. And by the way, this is not prodesk, its the elitedesk, there is a huge difference in build quality between prodesks 400,600 and elitedesk 800.
@@zdravkotomasevic2763 I have the exact HP computer and I tell you the docs and the company states that the motherboard only supplies 35 watts to the PCIE 1x16 slot.
@@rexcatston8412 I'm telling you this is a bad solution for a GPU that expects 75 watts to be delivered to via the PCIE 1x16 slot. This box makes a real good Linux box.
Using one of these as home server - elitedesk g4 has two m2 slots for ssd on board and 3 sata ports - so when you stop gaming it can work as cheap nas (9w idle with ssd only)
Wow this is almost my exact same build, i have a elitedesk sff g4 with a i7 8700 and recently ploped a 3050 lp in it, the chassis looks identical I got the MSI 3050 model and it fits in there perfectly due to being shorter
By the way, you need a better CPU cooler because constantly running it in the high 70's-low 80's it's going to eventually start to thermal throttle! Maybe some new paste would help as well.
The original system I built in like 2016 based on a few of these videos has reached the limits of it's potential, a G1 with 24gb of DDR3 ram, i7 4790k (can't overclock) and like 6 hard drives plugged into it with 3 more externally, I went from the gt1030 to a gtx1630 to an RTX A2000. Most advanced game I run is cyberpunk it gets about 40-45 fps. I was considering upgrading to something newer but was thinking I should stop messing with Small form factor. But maybe I should still keep it in mind now. Even grabbing a Ryzen for 200 and keeping the A2000 might be a decent boost.
i LITERALLY bought one of these yesterday off ebay for 60 bucks shipped. 7500, 16GB, and a 500GB HDD. using it for an offsite Truenas backup, but now i'm thinking i could get one with an a380 for ripping/transcoding/streaming. how close were you to fitting that 3050 in there? The a380 is about 12mm shorter...
There is a reason that gaming wasn't on my list of reasons for the a380. Also, any game the A380 could run wouldn't be restricted by ReBAR most likely.
Dudes and dudettes, recent games above 60 frames per second? and you can also use the machine for media and internet? it's just awesome, you also need a nice setup of course, monitor, mouse and keyboard, headphones or external audio, but this is just really good, please keep posting options like these
I actually moved away from my desktop and opted for a used SFF pc thanks to watching your channel. It's a Dell 9020, i5-4690, 16GB ram, r7 450 which was all I had access to and it cost me nothing but time to set up. I can say that I have put more use on this thing that I thought I would. I don't even turn on my desktop at this point. It's quiet, does 90% of what I need or want to do, and if I want to sit in front of the TV and play console games, I just use this. Curious if it's worth the expense, should I get an A310(I'd rather A380 but it won't fit) to replace the r7 450? I felt like that'd be worth it but not sure if it was in the long run due to the CPU. 🤔I'd say the biggest downside though is the Dell bios and fan control, it kinda sucks. haha
Just looking at core and threads is a little too broad. I bought a 14100 which is a 4 core 8 thread, and should vastly out perform the i7 7700. Edit; he uses geekbench 6 I3 14100; 2458 single core 8420 multi core I7 7700; 1216 single core 3613 multi core
@@saysbadman I'm not gonna lie, quad cores have come a longggg way. but eventually, cores and threads counts for a lot more than IPC and clock speed. you're going to get hitching and stutter, even if your FPS numbers look good, it won't be a smooth experience.
Looks like the base machine is actually an Elitedesk and not a Prodesk as mentioned in the video at 0:44. It got a bit confusing because the prodesk only has 2 pcie slots compared to the 4-slot Elitedesk you have in the video. For the viewers: it makes a difference when fitting a 2-slot gpu in there (impossible in the Prodesk 600).
Would something like this be overkill for a Cnc? I need a cnc with the following spec to run the software. Computer 2 Ghz Multi-Core X86 or x64 CPU 4Gb RAM 1GB Disk space (Program) USB drive required for USB Media Pack if purchased. 8GB Additional disk space required if you wish to store the tutorials and clipart supplied, on your hard drive. Display 1024 x 768 Graphics display Operating System Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 or 11 Optional Minimum Graphics Card Requirements Graphics card with a minimum of 2 GBs of dedicated RAM and OpenGL 3.3 as a minimum or later. Note: Vectric software can be run with CPU rendering as fallback. I must note, i don't know much about building PCs but I'd love to learn and be able to get my machine going. My current CNC isn't up to the task.
ALWAYS LOOK UP PHOTOS OF THE UNIT OPENED BEFORE BUYING !!! Some SFF PCs have only one PCIE X16 slot and it's right up next to the PSU. A dual slot GPU wont work
@@wtfthano The only somewhat capable GPUs that's both low profile and single slot that I know of is the Arc A310 and RX 6400. You should look up if the motherboard supports some sort of addressable BAR. Then the A310 is not the worse GPU for you.
thats the phrase that says it all "newer AAA games"... Indie games are where its at... Sons of the Forest did full rrelease like 2 months ago, and it would have run great on this system here...
On helldivers 2 the fps will vary, like for example on higher difficulty’s like helldive or impossible the fps could decrease to low 50s to high 40s which isn’t bad you won’t tell the difference cus the way the game works
These were fine to upgrade a few years ago, but you really could put together a much better system with an upgrade path for a couple extra 100s these days.
I have a Lenovo p520 that I put a amd rx 6750xt in. It’s actually shocking how good the performance is at 1440p. But at 1080p I do realize the cpu is a bottle neck
HP says the pcie slot is limited to 35w in prodesk g3 sff, but he installed a 75w card in it. And it comes with 180w PSU. This man did some black magic here😂
IMO it's worth it to spend a little more and get a more recent lenovo. 9th gen i7/i5s thinkstations can be had for under $200 on ebay, and the PSUs are better.
@@radii123 The best right now, IMO, is the P340 + the 4060 low profile. That's going to be more, though. A more budget recommendation would be a P330 + 3050 low profile. There's a P330 with a Xeon on ebay right now, and I bet you could offer $195 and get it.
This era CPU is troublesome for me. The i7 7700 is still a powerful CPU, I just built up an economy gaming rig with one and an RX580 8Gb, although I did some testing on it using a 2070 Super. For me, the troublesome part is in the SFF office PCs is that these are hot CPUs and these machines don't have the airflow and an aftermarket cooler isn't really an option. That said, even thermal throttled a bit, the extra threads make a huge difference. Basically for modern games, I played Starfield on it, with the i5 6500 it would run, and the FPS was decent, but it had nasty stutters, with the i7 7700 and the 580 8GB it ran at close to 100FPS on Medium at 1080p and actually ran as smooth as silk. Basically what I am getting at is that on these systems 4th-7th gen Inte, if you are wanting to game, the i7 is absolutely worth it, the price difference is tiny, the i5 will let you down. It is a shame there isn't more choice on low profile GPUs that don't require external power. The RTX 3050 6GB is a good solution, but not exactly cheap, a way better deal than what 1650s go for in my area (around $100), so there is that, and an RX6400 is just bad for the price. The Intel Arc comes to mind, but as far as I know these systems don't have REBAR, which is an absolute deal killer for Arc.
One gen higher (HP Elitedesk 800 G4) supports 8th gen, with some supporting an i7-8700K. DON'T DO IT. Even after heavy modifications I cannot tame the heat from that CPU without using ThrottleStop to kneecap it. Granted, this is under sustained load (handbrake) but just don't try using a 95W CPU on any of these SFF machines.
I am almost sure that this pc will overheat if you push it some more, especially with the increased tdp, which should be 65W for PL1. There are other 3050 LP which are shorter - for example Zotac.
@@drunkhusband6257 Since my previous comment was deleted.. don't know why but I answer again. I have the same pc, newer version, on a closed PC case, i5-9600 can't be cooled properly. I think the author has tested it on a open pc case, then it is better cooled because of the sufficient airflow but still not a proper solution. After 80 degrees the PCs sound like a plane taking off, so good luck using it at 90s all day long.
I have an i3 10100 😮 with a 1660 super graphic card.. I was wondering if that card is good or if should I upgrade to a 2060.. my question is, wts the best graphics card for the i3 10100.. please help !
Is overclocking the cpu an option on any of these machines? I don't remember when Intel locked everything down nor do I have a good grasp of software overclocking these days.
intel has had their non-k/x cpu:s multiplier locked for way over 15 years now. It was possible to oc a locked cpu with bclk on anything older than sandy bridge (2nd gen), because intel started to link more things to the bclk around that time, which killed bclk oc. There are some boards with separate clock chips that allow bclk OC on newer platforms (I've heard of that being a thing on specific 6th gen and 12th gen boards). Sadly these OEM boards are way too locked and most of them never featured a bclk adjust either.
In these OEM systems... no. Even if you installed a K series CPU, there is no way to adjust the multiplier in the BIOS. The best you can hope for to increase CPU performance is to use ThrottleStop, like he showed in the video.
How well would this fair with emulation... specifically up through PS3? Because I'm thinking 4 cores/8 threads isn't going to cut it and you would need at least 6/12, 8/16 or better to have a good experience. Am I right or wrong thinking this?
I have an i5-6500 version and with an absurd amount of customized settings for each game in rpcs3 I only managed several games running at 100% At 100% CPU and GPU usage The highest end version of this pc will do better but unlikely to get 50% of games running full speed
@@rexcatston8412 ok so how many cores/threads does your pc have? My MSI laptop has the 11th Gen Intel i5 with 6 cores/12 threads and the GTX 1650 and it does pretty decent with most PS3 games on the RPCS3 default settings. So going by my pc's performance, along with what I've read and seen here on TH-cam, is why I was thinking 4 cores/8 threads wouldn't be enough for PS3 emulation. Sorry if I'm coming across as unknowledgeable, I'm just trying to learn a little more about all this stuff lol.
@@biggie01taws6 yeah 4 cores, 8 threads is basically insufficient. Some games will be functional but not enough to say it can emulate the PS3 in any meaningful sense
ETA you mentioned possibly going with a mid tower version using a full sized card 3050 8gb version. How exactly would you recommend powering that with the PSU?
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If you can find an RTX A200 for $200 that would be a better option, But it looks like most are over priced right now.
This is what I’d did. Rtx a2000, 32 gigs of ram, i7-7700, hp 800 sff 3, found a larger power supply too.
Currently runs destiny 2 on the highest settings.
got mine for $400 and thought that was a good deal
I have a Ryzen 3100x (from an FX 6300 processor) and an old 1060 (up from a 750ti)
If I get anything, it will probably be either an A2000 or a 4060 that’s undervolted, along with either a 5800X3D, or 5950X both at 50 watts
could go the route of a bios mod on this board and add in a Qtj1 or Qtj0 for 100, make it an 8core16thread
@@danosdotnl They aren't for video editing. They are for CUDA and AI projects. Besides Gaming.
I’d build that for my 10 year old I think that would be a great start into pc gaming for him
Roblox, fortnite, minecraft. this is perfect forthat kind of setup for sure
my stepson plays fortnite on a 5050 sff with a 7500 and a 1030, and hes happy with it
Your 10 year old will have a better pc than me lol
@@ETAPRIME hey there Prime. I've looked but couldn't find any videos with you modifying any of the mini/ tiny office PC's. I've seen you make these low end budget builds using these older SFF Office PC's. But I was wondering if you've done so with some of the "mini"/ "tiny" 1L Office PC's as well ? The tiny Lenovo ThinkCentre models m720q, m920q, m90q, p320, p330 & I believe also the m920x each all have an actual PCIe Express Slot (I believe x8). & there's x16 to x8 adapters/ connector cards (90° angle) made for this mod to add a single slot discrete GPU into the original housing. Some people have done it and drilled or cut holes in the top over the CPU & GPU fans for better airflow. Some have even 3D printed a new top cover/ lid for this upgrade. It'd be nice if you could do a video on it showing newer games running on it. I've seen a couple people do it with A2000 single slot mods. & it'd also be cool to see someone do it with a RX 6400 using Chimera OS. Which that I haven't seen yet (you'd be the 1st).
Also it seems everyone that's done the GPU upgrade on a 1L mini/ tiny are using the i5 8500t variants of those ThinkCentre models mentioned above.
no get him the crappiest pc ever so he learns
@ETAPRIME You mention @0:45 that the computer is an HP ProDesk 600 G3, but @5:04 your system information shows it as an EliteDesk 800 G3. It's a minor difference formwise, but it could play a factor when considering graphics cards and the slot layouts.
I made one of these with an RTX 3060 12gb single fan card. You can replace this PSU with a flex ATX and use a 24 to 6 pin adaptor. Use a riser cable and turn the GPU vertically, then you can use a piece of scrap metal and a drill and make a mounting bracket and screw it in. You will need to remove the GPU's original mounting bracket and then screw in the bracket you made directly onto the GPU and attach that that to the back of the case by drilling a hole and using a screw. I then cut a whole in the side panel and attached a grill and 120 MM fan, so the GPU got more airflow. Back in the old days they made cases with intake fans mounted to the side panel.
virtually?
i want more SFF gaming pc content, its really entertaining
I would just avoid the Optiplex SFF systems since the x16 slot is right next to the power supply. Really, the ideal solution in these older SFF systems is to get the HP Z240 for 6th and 7th Generation or the Z2 G4 for the 8th or 9th Generation. Ample room, so no need to cut and the x16 slot is next to the CPU. They also tend to have better power supplies than Lenovo or Dell. If you wanted to use this system, the MSi 3050 6GB might fit without any need to cut.
Yeah. I have two Optiplex units. A 70xx and a 90xx. I don't think that the PSUs could handle this card and I'm not sure if I could get one, or if it would even be worth getting upgraded PSUs.
Yes, as someone who uses an SFF Optiplex, you're very limited due to that slot being right next to the PSU. I don't like it but I also like free sooooo..... 😅 I'd definitely recommend the HP over the Dell if possible for that reason.
are you sure msi will fit? it looks the same
@@lisafan6365 I'm not 100% sure. I don't have one of these to test it in. It's not a lot shorter, but the Gigabyte model is 181mm long where the MSi is 174mm long. If you can find one, the Zotac would definitely fit at 161mm long.
@@Zaxbox Yeah... it depends on the CPU. With an older quad core i7, you'd probably be fine. But once you jump into the 8th and 9th Gen, those suckers can pull 80 watts or more when gaming, plus the 70 watts that this consumes, plus whatever the rest of the system is using. I just bought a Precision 3431 SFF for some testing, and the poor thing has an i5 9500 with a 200 watt PSU, and they can come with the 9700 as well. Where the Z2 G4 has a 310 watt unit, and there's a 400 watt unit with PCIe power that you can install.
The Sparkle A380 LP fits in that case with no mods. It isn't as fast, but if you're the kind of person that doesn't want to cut the metal to make the 3050 fit it might be worth a shot.
No rebar is a problem
i really wish more AIB's leaned in to making low profile 3050's like they did with the rx 6400's. regular form factor doesn't make much sense for GPU's like these, but in an SFF - there's a very solid use case argument for them.
I feel like they are all colluding not to. If they either made more true single slot cards or put the x16 slot higher to make room for more cards they might not sell as many new "gaming" pc
G4 is redesign model for the HP 800 line. Both the Mini and the SFF get an additional M.2 slot. The G4 is the first Windows 10 only model the G3 is the last supported Windows 7 model. You also get more and better USB ports on the G4. You can also find bare units for under $100. Also anyone wanting to do Windows 11 is going to want the G4. The G3 does have a 2.0 TPM but maybe flashed with 1.2 TPM
Ages ago, thanks to ETA's videos, I picked up a refurbed G1 from Amazon for 300 (I thought Dell's optiplex was ugly so I opted for a similar make from another company). It was upgraded to Win10. I swapped the motherboard to a mid tower case, upped the processor, added hard drives and currently use a RTX A2000 over the years. It's what I'm using now, only issue is Win10 killed the HP USB3 driver.
@@TheRealAlpha2 Yeah I work in IT and we run exclusively HP. You can try using HP Image assistant to get the USB3 working correctly again. I have several SFF and mid tower G1 units and they are still running great but the 4th gen intel processors in them are just getting too slow.
The G4 is now 6 years old so they are going to be rock bottom and everyone is dumping them. You should be able to find an affordable G5/G6 as well but that is only processor upgrade. There is no G7. G8 will be coming up on 3 year mark soon that is another redesign model with Pcie 4, USB 3.2, and the last model to take DDR4 memory.
I LOVE these sff builds! Still running my i7-4790 / GTX 1650 on my HP Elitedesk 800 g1 and it rocks for what it is! I’ve played even Cyberpunk at low settings at around 30fps. If you use something like GeForce Now, this really works well!
Built this for my kid added an m.2 also I just removed the clip and the gpu fit perfectly thank you
this is wayyyyyy more interesting than the latest and greatest build haha....im running a 5700x with the 4060 solo fan in a k39 v3 5liter build and its the best thing on earth ;) cost me around 1000 canadian dollar :)
That is an excellent starter pc for someone wanting to get a feel for gaming.
I just got out of the ps5 xbox sX and wanted something smaller than my main PC. I love consoles and missed the ps2 gamecube days. love the build you did.
I have a 4790 from 10 years ago and it's still great. Who really wants to play AAA slop anyways..?
Not me. I don't play anything made after 1999
There’s nothing wrong with rocking a 4790, but not everything new is slop.
Seriously.. they are charging $80.00 dollars for sh!t 😂🎉
@@brulsmurfHoly crap dude, you're missing out
@@Vhalikuporamee447 Well, I almost finished half life 2. Hows the sequel?
I have paired i7 7700k with 1080Ti back in 2017. To see that the i7 even limiting the rtx 3050 really shows how demanding game these days on the cpu.
The usage and power consumption looks low in some games. Now I did have 7700k instead of the non K, but it shouldn't be that far apart. Completely stock at 4.2Ghz all core and 70ish watts. 50W and under 70-80% usage seems way too low.
@@napowolf it is clocked at 200Mhz lower. 20W difference seems about right.
I got my hands on a batch of Dell Optiplex 5050 PCs that my employer was just going to throw out. I took one and threw in an MSI LP RTX 3050 and added some RAM and an M.2. It's only a 7th Gen i5 but I'm going to use it for emulation. So far it seems to be handling everything quite well. Thanks for the inspiration!
Craft yourself a home server with something like casaos. Highly recommend
For me I would probably go for the Dell Vostro MT desktop with a 8th gen or 9th gen CPU to pair a bit more better with that GPU. I seen a couple go on eBay for under $200.
Better than over the top builds
The 6th and 7th gen i7 are legendary and still work great in 2024.
Yup, still using them today and play 99% of games at 60fps on high. A lot on Ultra depending on your gpu.
Hello ETA. You should try 8th gen i7
budget builds cause they have aged like wine so far.
Gimme some emulation please!😊 I have a few of these I was hoping to throw Lunchbox on and see what it’s capable of. Thanks ETA Prime! You rock! ❤
It should get pretty decently up to PS3.
I done this same sort of build except with a lenovo 8th gen sff and a 4060 low profile. luckily the model lenovo I got was able to get a 450 watt OEM psu upgrade with the 8pin on it for the gpu.
😮this is literally my setup.
Hp elitedesk 800 g4
I7 8700
16 gb ram
500 gb ssd
And i just bought a new 3050 low profile
How the performance for e-sport title like cs2 & valorant?
Love these guys! Save the environment and make gaming more accessible. More gamers=more of a chance for otherwise "dead" games to flourish. People are still playing cs 1.6, so graphics hardly matter when it comes to finding a great game to play.
I got one from ebay refurbished shipped from ebay from germany to the ireland shipping was 18 euro and its my first oem pc build
This video is a gem
My TV PC is basically one of those HP's with a I7-6700 - 32GB Ram and 500GB nvme drive.
I simply bought a 70$ CAD RTX 1050 Ti which while not the best, adequate for my use.
It's a PC for Movies, netflix, prime and light gaming on a 75" Sony TV.
Plays Streets of Rage4 perfectly on 4k and some other games.
Ultimate low budget gaming 🦾
no one saw this except me
@@Davidlomrk cope
@@maalikserebryakov its been 4 months vro
i have a similar setup, awesome build. my entire room, 2 monitors, lamp, pc, printer when gaming is at 100watts total.
i5-8500 elitedesk are just about as cheap. 2 more cores.
I've got that with a 4060 LP shoved in. (undervolted to 80w, it's taking 5 watts off a SATA to 8 pin and the other 75 from the PCIE slot)
Hi, that GPU wasn't too big for the case ? Also how performance you lose when undervolting ?
@@zeddproduction6360In the elitedesk 800 g4, you'll have to dremel a small piece off the HDD frame to fit a 4060.
No performance loss to undervolting. 1% down, 1% up, depends on game. always within margin of error.
@XiaOmegaX do you have a SFF case or tower
Head's up for everyone... That motherboard(the one with the HP desktop) only supports 35 watts to the PCIE 1x16 slot and not 75 watts as usual.
This. I got the exact same hp desktop as in the video. Couldn't handle my low profile gtx1030 card.
They deliver more than advertised.
I got 1030 working on prodesk 400, also 1050 which should not work on 35w slot, but it works.
And by the way, this is not prodesk, its the elitedesk, there is a huge difference in build quality between prodesks 400,600 and elitedesk 800.
@@zdravkotomasevic2763 I have the exact HP computer and I tell you the docs and the company states that the motherboard only supplies 35 watts to the PCIE 1x16 slot.
@@Kaido_928 I have the i5 6500 full sized model and managed the DDR4 version of the 1030 , if thats any use to you
@@rexcatston8412 I'm telling you this is a bad solution for a GPU that expects 75 watts to be delivered to via the PCIE 1x16 slot. This box makes a real good Linux box.
thank you i was wanting to get a sff to replace my 4 year old gaming laptop, and I think this is what i want to go for.
love this video, simple and affordable pc
Using one of these as home server - elitedesk g4 has two m2 slots for ssd on board and 3 sata ports - so when you stop gaming it can work as cheap nas (9w idle with ssd only)
What's the spec?
Pretty cool man! ❤
Here in Brazil, only this GPU is more expensive than $300.
I hate my Country lol
Around 250€ in Italy... we have too much taxes
ta mais para 200 dolares, 1.000 reais, né? Por 300 dolares vc encontra rtx 3060 facil.
260 Canadian $ = 190 usd
That's cheap compared to my country that would cost me $500.
@@friednoodle6582 The problem here is that $300 is more than the minimum wage lol
@ETAPRIME
Zotac 3050 LP port is single slot so if you have custom cooler u can make single slot Rtx 3050. Please try this!
7700 being old makes my i7 2700 cry.
12 years. Just think, next year it doesn't need a babysitter/can get an e-mail address of its own
Still a rock solid cpu
Wow this is almost my exact same build, i have a elitedesk sff g4 with a i7 8700 and recently ploped a 3050 lp in it, the chassis looks identical
I got the MSI 3050 model and it fits in there perfectly due to being shorter
This will also make an amazing budget AI/ML workstation. You can run some small models on it or pytorch.
By the way, you need a better CPU cooler because constantly running it in the high 70's-low 80's it's going to eventually start to thermal throttle! Maybe some new paste would help as well.
lol a lot of the newer i9s run at 85-95c in games non stop even with a good air cooler, it's fine....
The original system I built in like 2016 based on a few of these videos has reached the limits of it's potential, a G1 with 24gb of DDR3 ram, i7 4790k (can't overclock) and like 6 hard drives plugged into it with 3 more externally, I went from the gt1030 to a gtx1630 to an RTX A2000. Most advanced game I run is cyberpunk it gets about 40-45 fps. I was considering upgrading to something newer but was thinking I should stop messing with Small form factor. But maybe I should still keep it in mind now. Even grabbing a Ryzen for 200 and keeping the A2000 might be a decent boost.
i LITERALLY bought one of these yesterday off ebay for 60 bucks shipped. 7500, 16GB, and a 500GB HDD. using it for an offsite Truenas backup, but now i'm thinking i could get one with an a380 for ripping/transcoding/streaming. how close were you to fitting that 3050 in there? The a380 is about 12mm shorter...
Doesn’t have Resizable bar so it will limit any Intel cards for gaming.
There is a reason that gaming wasn't on my list of reasons for the a380. Also, any game the A380 could run wouldn't be restricted by ReBAR most likely.
@@TheMatthewLedbetter good luck with that.
Dudes and dudettes, recent games above 60 frames per second? and you can also use the machine for media and internet? it's just awesome,
you also need a nice setup of course, monitor, mouse and keyboard, headphones or external audio, but this is just really good,
please keep posting options like these
Zotac RTX 3050 Low profile is better? or Gigabyte RTX 3050 Low profile is better?
I actually moved away from my desktop and opted for a used SFF pc thanks to watching your channel. It's a Dell 9020, i5-4690, 16GB ram, r7 450 which was all I had access to and it cost me nothing but time to set up. I can say that I have put more use on this thing that I thought I would. I don't even turn on my desktop at this point. It's quiet, does 90% of what I need or want to do, and if I want to sit in front of the TV and play console games, I just use this. Curious if it's worth the expense, should I get an A310(I'd rather A380 but it won't fit) to replace the r7 450? I felt like that'd be worth it but not sure if it was in the long run due to the CPU. 🤔I'd say the biggest downside though is the Dell bios and fan control, it kinda sucks. haha
@@dualpapayas thanks baller
CPU temps could be cooler but all together this is amazing!
These are the kinds of videos ive missed that ETA prime used to do more of.
I got an hp 800 elitedesk G1 and I put it inside a pavilion case to utilize a full size gpu as well as additional peripherals with my pci slots
i still got my z170 , 6700k ( still 17% better) and still runs like a charm, havent got the rtx lp yet
goes to show how limiting 4 core 8 thread is. funny to see an i7 7700 often limiting a 6GB 3050.
Just looking at core and threads is a little too broad. I bought a 14100 which is a 4 core 8 thread, and should vastly out perform the i7 7700.
Edit; he uses geekbench 6
I3 14100; 2458 single core 8420 multi core
I7 7700; 1216 single core 3613 multi core
@@saysbadman I'm not gonna lie, quad cores have come a longggg way. but eventually, cores and threads counts for a lot more than IPC and clock speed. you're going to get hitching and stutter, even if your FPS numbers look good, it won't be a smooth experience.
Looks like the base machine is actually an Elitedesk and not a Prodesk as mentioned in the video at 0:44. It got a bit confusing because the prodesk only has 2 pcie slots compared to the 4-slot Elitedesk you have in the video. For the viewers: it makes a difference when fitting a 2-slot gpu in there (impossible in the Prodesk 600).
SFF AND budget??
this is everything i wanted
great video like always :D
Hello, can I fit an AMD RX 5500 XT in this system?
Would something like this be overkill for a Cnc? I need a cnc with the following spec to run the software.
Computer
2 Ghz Multi-Core X86 or x64 CPU
4Gb RAM
1GB Disk space (Program)
USB drive required for USB Media Pack if purchased.
8GB Additional disk space required if you wish to store the tutorials and clipart supplied, on your hard drive.
Display
1024 x 768 Graphics display
Operating System
Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 or 11
Optional Minimum Graphics Card Requirements
Graphics card with a minimum of 2 GBs of dedicated RAM and OpenGL 3.3 as a minimum or later. Note: Vectric software can be run with CPU rendering as fallback.
I must note, i don't know much about building PCs but I'd love to learn and be able to get my machine going. My current CNC isn't up to the task.
Even the specs you mentioned sound overkill and the facg you’r using windows bloatware for it is just comical
ALWAYS LOOK UP PHOTOS OF THE UNIT OPENED BEFORE BUYING !!! Some SFF PCs have only one PCIE X16 slot and it's right up next to the PSU. A dual slot GPU wont work
Bingo! I have one with the Ryzen chip, but can't find a decent GPU that will fit. It would otherwise be a decent low end gamer.
@@wtfthano The only somewhat capable GPUs that's both low profile and single slot that I know of is the Arc A310 and RX 6400. You should look up if the motherboard supports some sort of addressable BAR. Then the A310 is not the worse GPU for you.
@@Liminal.Headspace They make low profile 3050 6gb versions that are single slot
@@drunkhusband6257 I've never seen one that's single slot. Do share if you know of one.
@@drunkhusband6257Share which one , please
thats the phrase that says it all "newer AAA games"... Indie games are where its at... Sons of the Forest did full rrelease like 2 months ago, and it would have run great on this system here...
I was thinking...a 70 watt card should be quite quiet...how did it perform in that area?
On helldivers 2 the fps will vary, like for example on higher difficulty’s like helldive or impossible the fps could decrease to low 50s to high 40s which isn’t bad you won’t tell the difference cus the way the game works
HP ELITEDESK 705 G5 can be found for pretty cheap.
Tests of Genshin Impact, Minecraft RTX, The Finals etc will be nice
Would've been nice to see Batocera on this rig. Curious to see the 3050 pushed on that os.
Great vid!
These were fine to upgrade a few years ago, but you really could put together a much better system with an upgrade path for a couple extra 100s these days.
외국은 적당한 완제품 pc 중고매물이 제법 있나보군요. 한국은 사정이 달라서 완제품들은 주로 관공서를 전전하다보니 개인들은 조립pc 위주로 찾는 상황이에요. 그래서 중고가격도 제법 높은편입니다. 원달러 환율차이 때문에도 더 그렇구요 😢
What software are you using to display ram, power usage, fps at the upper left of the screen?
I have a G9 SFF Elite 600 with I7 13700 What are some good options?
I have a Lenovo p520 that I put a amd rx 6750xt in. It’s actually shocking how good the performance is at 1440p. But at 1080p I do realize the cpu is a bottle neck
Why not buy a intel arc a310 with AV1 support ?
@ETAPRIME Would you kindly start testing Star Citizen in some of these budget builds you piece together please? Thank you..
I have that exact same 3050 and it is nice
Hello, I love your videos, do you have the exact model of this PC? Do I need PCIe 4.0 for the graphics card to work at its peak? Thank you
If not going for off, what would you recommend?
Not bad at all for the price.
HP says the pcie slot is limited to 35w in prodesk g3 sff, but he installed a 75w card in it. And it comes with 180w PSU. This man did some black magic here😂
It's an Elitedesk
@@TheRealAlpha2 both have similar specs here. 180w psu, 35w pice. BTW, I have Elitedesk g3 SFF sitting in my room.
IMO it's worth it to spend a little more and get a more recent lenovo. 9th gen i7/i5s thinkstations can be had for under $200 on ebay, and the PSUs are better.
Could you give a model number and what the best GPU that could go inside?
@@radii123 The best right now, IMO, is the P340 + the 4060 low profile. That's going to be more, though. A more budget recommendation would be a P330 + 3050 low profile. There's a P330 with a Xeon on ebay right now, and I bet you could offer $195 and get it.
Really nice. I have a elite desk 800 g5 SFF
This era CPU is troublesome for me. The i7 7700 is still a powerful CPU, I just built up an economy gaming rig with one and an RX580 8Gb, although I did some testing on it using a 2070 Super. For me, the troublesome part is in the SFF office PCs is that these are hot CPUs and these machines don't have the airflow and an aftermarket cooler isn't really an option. That said, even thermal throttled a bit, the extra threads make a huge difference.
Basically for modern games, I played Starfield on it, with the i5 6500 it would run, and the FPS was decent, but it had nasty stutters, with the i7 7700 and the 580 8GB it ran at close to 100FPS on Medium at 1080p and actually ran as smooth as silk.
Basically what I am getting at is that on these systems 4th-7th gen Inte, if you are wanting to game, the i7 is absolutely worth it, the price difference is tiny, the i5 will let you down. It is a shame there isn't more choice on low profile GPUs that don't require external power. The RTX 3050 6GB is a good solution, but not exactly cheap, a way better deal than what 1650s go for in my area (around $100), so there is that, and an RX6400 is just bad for the price. The Intel Arc comes to mind, but as far as I know these systems don't have REBAR, which is an absolute deal killer for Arc.
Can you do a comparison video of this vs the arc a380? Debating on which one to get for my sff build
Don't go arc gpu if your board doesn't support Resizeable BAR
can't breathe in that case.. needs to drill couple of holes on the side panel
One gen higher (HP Elitedesk 800 G4) supports 8th gen, with some supporting an i7-8700K.
DON'T DO IT.
Even after heavy modifications I cannot tame the heat from that CPU without using ThrottleStop to kneecap it. Granted, this is under sustained load (handbrake) but just don't try using a 95W CPU on any of these SFF machines.
I am almost sure that this pc will overheat if you push it some more, especially with the increased tdp, which should be 65W for PL1. There are other 3050 LP which are shorter - for example Zotac.
It won't overheat, cpus can run in the 90s celsius all day long
@@drunkhusband6257 Since my previous comment was deleted.. don't know why but I answer again. I have the same pc, newer version, on a closed PC case, i5-9600 can't be cooled properly. I think the author has tested it on a open pc case, then it is better cooled because of the sufficient airflow but still not a proper solution.
After 80 degrees the PCs sound like a plane taking off, so good luck using it at 90s all day long.
@@javorrrful That's what good low profile air coolers are for, like Noctua makes.
I have an i3 10100 😮 with a 1660 super graphic card.. I was wondering if that card is good or if should I upgrade to a 2060.. my question is, wts the best graphics card for the i3 10100.. please help !
Is overclocking the cpu an option on any of these machines? I don't remember when Intel locked everything down nor do I have a good grasp of software overclocking these days.
intel has had their non-k/x cpu:s multiplier locked for way over 15 years now. It was possible to oc a locked cpu with bclk on anything older than sandy bridge (2nd gen), because intel started to link more things to the bclk around that time, which killed bclk oc. There are some boards with separate clock chips that allow bclk OC on newer platforms (I've heard of that being a thing on specific 6th gen and 12th gen boards). Sadly these OEM boards are way too locked and most of them never featured a bclk adjust either.
In these OEM systems... no. Even if you installed a K series CPU, there is no way to adjust the multiplier in the BIOS. The best you can hope for to increase CPU performance is to use ThrottleStop, like he showed in the video.
In main land Europe prices are higher than the US, il want to build something similar
SAME COMMENT IN EVERY VIDEO. Nobody cares.
lol
I have the same specifications as your device, but the processor i7 9700 and gpu 1050 ti 4gb
Will it differ when upgrading to 3050 lp?
Wow thats a steal
Gen 8 maybe good choice is 12 thread
is this easy to upgrade? do you need to buy smaller parts?
also do you only need to buy the pc he linked and the graphics card or are there other things
try it with the new 4060 LP
surely you can just get rid of the drive cage entirely? it's not like you need it anymore.
Wow, since i built a SFF PC last year prices have basically halved 😅
How this card will be performing paired with a i5-8500 ? On a SFF Dell Optiplex 5060?
How well would this fair with emulation... specifically up through PS3? Because I'm thinking 4 cores/8 threads isn't going to cut it and you would need at least 6/12, 8/16 or better to have a good experience. Am I right or wrong thinking this?
I have an i5-6500 version and with an absurd amount of customized settings for each game in rpcs3 I only managed several games running at 100%
At 100% CPU and GPU usage
The highest end version of this pc will do better but unlikely to get 50% of games running full speed
@@rexcatston8412 ok so how many cores/threads does your pc have? My MSI laptop has the 11th Gen Intel i5 with 6 cores/12 threads and the GTX 1650 and it does pretty decent with most PS3 games on the RPCS3 default settings. So going by my pc's performance, along with what I've read and seen here on TH-cam, is why I was thinking 4 cores/8 threads wouldn't be enough for PS3 emulation. Sorry if I'm coming across as unknowledgeable, I'm just trying to learn a little more about all this stuff lol.
@@biggie01taws6 yeah 4 cores, 8 threads is basically insufficient. Some games will be functional but not enough to say it can emulate the PS3 in any meaningful sense
@@rexcatston8412 ok, that actually does makes sense to me lol. Thanks so much for the insight!👍
I have a i5 8400 in a 210w lenovo sff pc. Will it work fine?
Emulation test please 😁🥺
8th Gen Intel + Intel Arc might get you a little further for the money!
ETA you mentioned possibly going with a mid tower version using a full sized card 3050 8gb version. How exactly would you recommend powering that with the PSU?
Long story short I bought a HP Elitedesk 800 G4, upgraded the PSU to a 500w, installed a rx6600 and it’s perfect for this.
@@MrKherman84can you share a link of the psu I wanna buy it too