If you can't swap the battery, if there's no ethernet port, and if you can't effortlessly take it apart, It's not a Thinkpad Killer. Though, there's been a few competitors that have been getting quite close to that recently. System76's Gazelle has all the ports imaginable with an easy to replace battery, and easy access to one of the hard-drive bays, but lack the Trackpoint nub. There's the Framework laptop that's made to be taken apart and put together again, but only has 4 hot-swapable ports, no Trackpoint, no ethernet port, and the battery isn't the easiest to swap-out. And then there's this one of course. Nice to see that companies are starting to know the value of self-servicing laptops.
Have you seen the recent ThinkPads? They are a step in the wrong direction and removed a lot of the features you're talking about. Maybe if you spend a significant amount more money, you get them back. I've been very disappointed with my new ThinkPad AMD system with identical specs to the Dev one; even the trackpad has issues in Linux. It does have ethernet though.
@@JSmithSS I was referring to the "classic" Thinkpads like the T420, and the T530. The new ones look nice, but they have almost nothing that made the old Thinkpads special.
I agree with the ethernet port. It's really odd. There are many devs that hook up straight to a server or switch. Needing a dongle really kills the laptop for a chunk for already a niche group. Big oversight.
Also this device is very user serviceable. 5 Screws on an aluminum chassis and you can disassemble the entire internals. Even the Wifi is swappable. (System 76 saw to that) The battery compartment is fixed width but you still get around 8 hrs + depending on screen brightness. The keyboard is well made for many hours of satisfying typing. It has a glass screen and touch pad which is unheard of these days unless you want to spend $2000+ As a professional coder I have not used a physical Ethernet connector in todays modern age. I work for a modern company though. All that being said the Price for a quality on a good AMD chipset makes this a really good deal for what you get. Most of the plastic garbage on the market today can not touch the quality for price. Are there nicer laptops on the market - Yes - Can you buy one for $1009 - Not really without selling your soul to Micky$oft.
The middle mouse button is so important for using a trackpoint. Having previously tried HP devices with trackpoint-like things, I'm also very skeptical about the feel of using this. No other manufacturer (hp, dell, etc.) have, in my experience, been able to make a trackpoint quite like the ibm/lenovo.
I don't use the track-point much, but I instantly knew this is would be a dealbreaker for them. Nothing can beat that middle button for infinite scrolling!
Dev One looks very compelling in comparison to Lenovo's newer models. I have an AMD T14 Gen 2 and it has a bunch of issues in Linux. Documented, but not much being done to fix it. I've been annoyed enough that I think I'm maybe willing to give up the middle button. I had to go back to Windows on it and the middle button is completely broken there anyway, the driver lets you choose middle click or scroll but not both. If you have an older ThinkPad stick with it. I love my old T450.
Bought one on Monday morning. Received it yesterday with the free shipping. So far... I love it. It really does live up to the hype. Disclaimer: Switched out the Realteak Wifi card with an Intel AX200, upgraded the RAM to 32 gigs and installed a 2tb Samsung 980 Pro (with Fedora 36 already installed) into the machine.
@@anon_y_mousse Five T5 Torx screws on the bottom of the case and then phillips screws inside. The SSD and the RAM are covered in a metal casing that is fairly easy to remove as it snaps right off and is easy to replace.
@@yash1152 Because Realtek Wifi is trash... doubly so in Linux. If you listen to the latest Linux UnPlugged Podcast, Chris reviewed his and mentioned that his wifi was having problems as he kept the Realtek card. I highly recommend anybody buying this laptop switch out the card. The Intel AX200 or AX201 only costs $20 to $30 on Amazon and the replacement is relatively straightforward (with the exception of the annoyingly small antenna cable connectors, but that's a norm across all laptops nowadays)
At 03:54, this CPU is actually a Cezanne Zen 3 chip. I think the Linux driver just doesn’t differentiate the Vega GPU within both APU series and recognise them all as from Renoir.
by the way, I've watched several reviews of this laptop on TH-cam, and I found this one to be the most informative and really addressed the issues I care about as a software developer.
As a developer myself, this device looks fantastic to me. I do however hope to see a larger screen, larger trackpad with no buttons and most importantly - availability outside US
Got myself early this year HP EliteBook 835 G8, 5850U/16/1TB, and running Tumbleweed (Opensuse) on it nicely. Everything works including the fingerprint scanner. This notebook replaced my ThinkPad running 1135g7 which was running really hot, which made me make the jump. Not a dev but a power-user. Will be sticking to this laptop till Zen4/+ mobile chips come. Highly recommended even to ThinkPad die-hards like myself. One thing I miss is the TrackPoint on my model.
Dell also had or have the trackpoint. I personally keep my ThinkPad. Great machine, durable and the battery can be swapped without shutting the machine down, I was able to replace the 4g module with a small SSD which I use for a OS that allows me to backup my 2tb SSD to my NAS and my remote NextCloud server
It looks very similar to an Elitebook 845 g8, but with a black coat of paint. My work laptop only has 8gb of RAM but otherwise the specs and port layout are the same... I also get about 6-7h of work out of it, but the fact that it supports usb-c charging & displayport over usb-c means that most of the time I just plug it into my dock. While I can't be certain it's the same, I can say I've been very happy with the Elitebook.
These specs look pretty good, and I like the keyboard retaining, even if in a weird position, the page up/down home/end keys. I can't honestly say I've purposely hit the insert or delete keys in the past 20 years, though. As for your statement about media keys, I don't have any on my keyboard, so I've bound those functions, Win+Up/Down for volume Left/Right for song in the player, Enter to stop, Space to Play/Pause. One of the few good things MS did, force hardware manufacturers to include a special extra key on keyboards.
Why does TH-cam take Firefox hostage in this way? I accidentally clicked with the left mouse button on the link of this video in the notifications after opening it from the context-menu in another tab and I could not go back to the previous video which I had open on TH-cam. I noticed it more in the past. Somehow TH-cam does not play nice with Firefox and the page which should be under the left-arrow (lefttop of the browser, previous page) is replaced by the current page of TH-cam. It is weird.
Yeah, the restriction of not shipping outside US (for now) is kind of a deal breaker for me. But I will admit it looks good for it's price range, very impressed.
I bought it, now I'm waiting it to arrive. 📫💻 I'm really glad that there is more companies that produce Linux computers, but I really wish I could see a few computers (and phones and tablets etc.) like this in every store.
This looks like a great laptop. Sadly, this is mostly a US offering and is unlikely to be broadly available in my region. Regarding Pop!_OS, it has been one of my favourite Linux distros for quite some time. They do a lot of things right. I was a little sad not to see the Gnome 40 style UI be adopted, because I much prefer the horizontal workspaces and app grid there, however, the overall package on Pop!_OS is still very compelling.
For when I want to replace my ThinkPad e585 this seems like an interesting laptop. Main reason being the click buttons above the touchpad, which I use with the pad itself even if the pad clicks. Clicking or tapping the pad is something I can't get used to and end up disabling or ignoring. The keyboard layout seems nice, I'd like a numpad on the left but I am not aware of laptops that have that and the navigation keys layout is a plus to me. IO wise I would miss a full sized SD card reader but other than that it is complete for how I use my laptop. The glass in front of the screen is interesting, I happen to have a preference over glossy screens so that's neat. Now time to find out whether a laptop in this line is available here by the time I want to replace my current laptop.
hi! :) laptop related stuff that i would like to know, please: a) does it have s3? (aka suspend to RAM) b) how much time does it last while in s3? c) can you configure the battery to stop charging at your desired percent? I'm asking because i bought the hp envy 13 and it doesn't have s3! you can't configure battery thresholds!! and the keyboard doesn't have the INSERT key :p WTH??? unusable to me... gave it to the wife... thinking about buying another thinkpad now
How is the ssd partitioned? I am thinking about this for triple boot (arch and windows). My concern about just reformatting the SSD is the HP firmware update software.
fwupd/LVFS is a Linux program and centralized database, the only special thing is HP providing those updates to the database and the required support in the firmware.... In short, there shouldn't be anything special on the drive to support it.
It'd be cool if this partnership opened up PopOS support for my G8 Probook that has been running it since I got it. Also, any idea if there is a left-handed version of that mouse?
@@breakpoint4869 I've had Pop!_OS on it from day one (about a year now.) Unfortunately the built-in intel wi-fi card stopped working, and system76 doesn't offer support (even though I also own a Galago Pro, the hp is provided by my work.)
when i had a think pad i used the buttons for the point even though i exclusively used the pad. i hate clicking pads and will stick to using the tap gestures for mouse clicks but the button for the point was nice for clicking and dragging.
I love my HP dev one. My two complaints are that I wish the screen had better viewing angles and that the screen had a 16:10 aspect ratio. As a developer it can be exreemly tedious to scroll over and over to view different lines of code in a text editor. Having a taller screen defenatly would have been a huge productivity boon to developers.
Didn't Dell have one too with the nub mouse like the Dell latitude series if memory serves correctly they were the ones competing against Lenovo thinkpads
The package overall is compelling but I don't think it's perfet due to one glaring issue - the screen 16:9 and not 16:10, which is significant for productivity. And yeah, the media shortcut keys missing is very annoying.
that keyboard looks identical to the one on the hp elitebook series. it's functional and fine but nothing stand out at all and the nub is all but useless. infact the whole thing looks like an elitebook, eh.
I had a Lenovo-laptop, I only played with the trackpad-knob. I have nothing against it but it is not that useful. Due to the small size it has to use strong acceleration, that makes it fun to play with it (see how accurately you can estimate where the mouse pointer ends up when moving it fast) but less functional. :) In my experience the most neglected part of many laptops are the touchpad, the touchpad-software and the keyboard. Currently I have an Acer, they made a mess of it. They use one mouse-button and the software for it sucks so it barely usable without a mouse. This is made worse because it has no handpalm-rejection at all. This is a classical case of OEM's copying Apple but not executing it properly. Not to mention that some choices of apple don't even make sense, like using only one mouse button or using a huge and useless audio-volume OSD when the user changes the audio-volume.
Mine arrives any minute today. I got it for the features compared to the price as an alternative to buying yet another Windows PC with Windows 11 installed packed to the insane level of bloat like MacAfee or some other random garbage AV. It seems to be brilliantly designed and can't wait to start coding on it. I got it for $220 off for their New Year sale Still on sale till Jan 30th 2023 at Midnight. So it quickly out sold anything I could find with AMD Architecture and Linux sold out of the box by a big name giving Linux a serious contender in the room.
I have watched several Dev One reviews, I have notice a lot of screen glare. I am undecided to either buy a Dev One with screen glad or a System76 Galogo matte screen for only a few hundred more? Anyone's comments please, thank you
From a ThinkPad enthusiast's perspective, here are the cons: -Glossy non matte screen -Shallower key travel -No ethernet port -Not as durable or repairable Some of this stuff is getting worse with thinkpad and if these things dont matter to you then who cares. I also believe some Dell latitudes have trackpoints by the way but they often have abysmal or worse prices. If you would like to see a thinkpad similar to this, I would go on ebay and look for open-box or manufacture certified refurbished Thinkpad T14 gen 1 or gen 2 AMD laptops. This laptop has a lot of promise and got me to give it a double take but that glossy screen just ruins it for me. Literally everything else looks perfect for me. Someone tell HP that many devs love matte displays so the rest of us can jump on this.
I'm searching for silicone keyboard cover for the HP Dev One, it is impotent to me, please help if you can 🙏 p.s: I'll happy to hear about recommended case too.
Bruh, this is just a HP ZBook FireFly 14 G8 just with AMD hardware if I am not mistaken. Not available in Europe though so anything close to this is usually a i5-1135G7 or i7-1185g7 system.
Pop is really good. I use it as the base for my system and have KDE on top. It is just so good with Nvidia cards that I can’t recommend anything else. I have the Cosmic Shell on there and can go back whenever, but I has a custom KDE setup and workflow I like. I honestly wish they would offer a “pop core” and then other teams could make Pop base distros for other desktop environments. Pop Cosmic, Pop Gnome, Pop KDE, Pop Cinnamon. Why not?
Weird... This Laptop looks like a carbon copy of the Lenovo T14 (non "s")... I always liked the finish HP has going on their machines... It is nice to touch!
Love POP OS. I have a custom built System 76 desktop. Their laptops are great, but get $$$$ pretty quick. I'm gonna order one of these for my road warrior computer for when I'm traveling.
I sadly don't like the vision Pop OS is taking and I twice already had issues when upgrading to the next release that's why I switched to Fedora Silverblue and am not looking back.
@@JSmithSS why would they make the Linux laptop more expensive than the windows version when you wouldn't have to pay for a license to install Linux as you would with Windows?
@@bland9876 They are more expensive than this laptop, I don't know if they are more than their equivalent Windows version. I do think some are more expensive because they sell fewer.
I have 3 other minuses for that device: 1. Where is middle button for trackpoint? 2. They don't sell it in Europe, so I cannot buy it for myself :/ 3. Realtek is crap, just put Intel AX200/AX201 HP, please
@@RodrigoDAgostino the actual "modular" capacity of the framework laptop isn't that great. It's nice that they provide parts and whatnot but in the end, if you want to upgrade your CPU, you still have to take out the entire motherboard. The only things that most people will ever change out are the ram, battery, and maybe storage. I don't know how easy the battery is to access, but ram and storage are accessible one the dev one.
"coming in at a quarter of a pound the mouse feels lite"... Are you trolling me? XD 1/4 lb = 113 grams! that's *really really heavy*. My logitech G Pro X Superlight is 60 grams while being wireless. You really should try a good high end light mouse. There's really only a couple wireless options that have low enough latency to be contenders, the one I mentioned above, and the razer viper ultimate. I have both, I think the logitech is better overall, but I like the shape of the viper better. Unless one has shaky hands or something I really don't think heavy mice are a good idea, it increases wrist strain and decreases accuracy via increased need to compensate for higher momentum.
There's a reason (actually many) I stick to pre-chiclet ThinkPads, and this HP won't make me change my mind. Although the keyboard looks less braindead than thinkpad chiclet, it's still unusable to me. Function keys are way too small… Where are the ports? Oh well, no need to spend the night listing what's missing.
I think it's an awesome notebook! Thank you for this fantastic review. What I have a problem with, to be honest, is the target audience this laptop is made for. The fact that it is made for "developers" strengthens the prejudice that Linux is only for software developers. I'm not a software developer, I'm a normal user. My wife doesn't even care about computers and uses Manjaro KDE without any issues on her HP laptop we bought without preinstalled OS. So despite this laptop is an awesome piece of hardware, I would have liked it better if it was made for the "broad audience".
I strongly disagree with the statement that "FOSS must embrace user metrics and telemetry if it wants to improve compared to proprietary offerings". What's the data being sent here? How is it going to tangibly improve the experience "compared to other proprietary offerings"? I agree that crash reports are important, a lot of users, especially most mainstream users aren't going to file issues when their software crashes, especially if it's not regular. But their telemetry includes much more than crashes, and, in this case, it's really not that anonymous!!! How is that data needed?
Finally I found someone who agrees with me: a numpad is a must for a usable keyboard! Btw, as a developer, I've seen most of us have a favourite keyboard or two, and we keep them in our workspaces.
"Using exclusively capital letters for alphabetical characters, while the control and function keys are exclusively lower-case" - Isn't that the same with virtually every keyboard?
ctrl fn super alt? They are focusing this at devs/Linux peeps. Pop! out of the box, nice. Memory not soldered, nice. Decent keyboard and a trackpoint … nice, and … interesting. RAM's not soldered, SSD's not soldered. Integrated GPU and not really set up for gaming. Fine for a dev/work laptop. Good speakers on a laptop serves well for me given that I use speech now and then. The awful webcam is a negative. I'm reasonably excited by the inclusion of Pop! … Yeah I'm well aware of Linus's experience. Honestly the dude knows just enough that even if the thing he did weren't there (and it's not anymore in Debian), he'd have still done the exact same thing following jank instructions on some dodgy site so he didn't "pollute the challenge" by going and asking for support from someone who could give it to him. C'mon, he straight up said he wasn't gonna ask for help, and we've all seen the jank sites for Ubuntu "advice". You didn't cite the Dev One's weight, 3.24lb. That's significant! The one thing I wish this laptop had that it doesn't (I mean, it's not a Framework, so it hasn't got that either) is NFC. Some HP offerings have it, and if the dev one did, it'd make it really easy to start migrating to use of a product like a YubiKey which is a great idea for devs for commit signing.
Lenovo Thinkpads are great but this year are going back wards for enterprise users. China is banning us spyware in the form of windows 11 and is swtching to linux by 2026.The UK and Europe consider Windows 11 a danger to national security with the background of the Russian invasion of the Ukrain.Enterprise laptops from lenovo should all now be on linux for enterprise. So why did they make the mistake on install windows 11 and the AMD z spy chip on the lenovo thinkpad Z series? The ansawer lies wih the hardware ms certification programe which MS is using to force hardware manufacturers to load ms 11 on laptops to collect and sell customer data. Hopefully with over 300 alternative operating systems spying on your laptop is a thing of the past....
Sigh... ok. I'm going to be _that_ guy. 16:9 on a laptop is a deal breaker for me, now. You gain so much space with 16:10, it's crazy. Hell, go 3:2 even!
You are not the only one, I'll never go 16:9 anymore. Only 16:10 or better: 3:2 and matte. Anything else is a non-starter. I'm currently on a Framework, with 3:2 and a screenprotector that makes the thing matte. Also has a 1080p camera: much better and a must these day with working from home.
@@shirro5 Welll, the nipple is fine. I grew up with it (no pun intended, but still funny) and use it every now and then. (Still: no pun) 16:9 was a way for the manufacturers to save a buck. any other format costs more for them. (Or so I was told).
@@softwarelivre2389 See. I can't understand that. People tell me: "But it adds black bars to what I'm watching!" and I'm like... so? Deal with them, it's not like it's making the content smaller, I really don't get it.
If I haven't earned your trust by now, then I haven't done my job as a tech creator. I don't care if I get to keep the thing or not. I wasn't *paid money* to review this laptop. And if it had sucked, I would've said so.
@@gardiner_bryant They've effectively paid you money by giving you a laptop worth $1100 for free. Don't you see that as a conflict of interest, or at least introducing unconscious bias in your review?
There might be unconscious bias, sure. But that's why I said **right at the beginning of the video** that this was the case. To LET YOU KNOW that they gave me this laptop. That there **could be** unconscious bias. To INFORM you. But I try to be fair and honest in my reviews. Go check out any of my other laptop reviews. I've been harshly critical towards many of them. Even ones I got to keep. Watch my Steam Deck videos. I've been equally critical as I was praising the device. **Typing this from my HP Dev One notebook, btw.
@@gardiner_bryant How can you be fair if they're essentially giving you $1100 to promote their product? 🤔 That's the part I don't understand, even if you are critical of some aspects, they're still paying you, so you're not a truly independent reviewer. Or will you send it back to them? Call me old fashioned but as long as you're accepting freebies from these companies then your reviews can't be trusted to be completely impartial.
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If you can't swap the battery, if there's no ethernet port, and if you can't effortlessly take it apart, It's not a Thinkpad Killer. Though, there's been a few competitors that have been getting quite close to that recently.
System76's Gazelle has all the ports imaginable with an easy to replace battery, and easy access to one of the hard-drive bays, but lack the Trackpoint nub.
There's the Framework laptop that's made to be taken apart and put together again, but only has 4 hot-swapable ports, no Trackpoint, no ethernet port, and the battery isn't the easiest to swap-out.
And then there's this one of course.
Nice to see that companies are starting to know the value of self-servicing laptops.
Have you seen the recent ThinkPads? They are a step in the wrong direction and removed a lot of the features you're talking about. Maybe if you spend a significant amount more money, you get them back. I've been very disappointed with my new ThinkPad AMD system with identical specs to the Dev one; even the trackpad has issues in Linux. It does have ethernet though.
@@JSmithSS
I was referring to the "classic" Thinkpads like the T420, and the T530. The new ones look nice, but they have almost nothing that made the old Thinkpads special.
@@thepuzzlemaster64 Agreed. I have an old T450 that is somewhat showing its age but much better than my new one across the board.
I agree with the ethernet port. It's really odd. There are many devs that hook up straight to a server or switch. Needing a dongle really kills the laptop for a chunk for already a niche group. Big oversight.
Also this device is very user serviceable. 5 Screws on an aluminum chassis and you can disassemble the entire internals. Even the Wifi is swappable. (System 76 saw to that) The battery compartment is fixed width but you still get around 8 hrs + depending on screen brightness. The keyboard is well made for many hours of satisfying typing. It has a glass screen and touch pad which is unheard of these days unless you want to spend $2000+ As a professional coder I have not used a physical Ethernet connector in todays modern age. I work for a modern company though. All that being said the Price for a quality on a good AMD chipset makes this a really good deal for what you get. Most of the plastic garbage on the market today can not touch the quality for price. Are there nicer laptops on the market - Yes - Can you buy one for $1009 - Not really without selling your soul to Micky$oft.
HP needs to add a physical middle mouse button. I know the middle button can be mapped to a gesture, but for me is a deal-breaker against a Thinkpad.
The middle mouse button is so important for using a trackpoint. Having previously tried HP devices with trackpoint-like things, I'm also very skeptical about the feel of using this. No other manufacturer (hp, dell, etc.) have, in my experience, been able to make a trackpoint quite like the ibm/lenovo.
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I don't use the track-point much, but I instantly knew this is would be a dealbreaker for them. Nothing can beat that middle button for infinite scrolling!
Dev One looks very compelling in comparison to Lenovo's newer models. I have an AMD T14 Gen 2 and it has a bunch of issues in Linux. Documented, but not much being done to fix it. I've been annoyed enough that I think I'm maybe willing to give up the middle button. I had to go back to Windows on it and the middle button is completely broken there anyway, the driver lets you choose middle click or scroll but not both.
If you have an older ThinkPad stick with it. I love my old T450.
Bought one on Monday morning. Received it yesterday with the free shipping. So far... I love it. It really does live up to the hype.
Disclaimer: Switched out the Realteak Wifi card with an Intel AX200, upgraded the RAM to 32 gigs and installed a 2tb Samsung 980 Pro (with Fedora 36 already installed) into the machine.
Was it easy to upgrade? Not too many screws or taped down anything?
Why did you switch the wifi card?
@@anon_y_mousse Five T5 Torx screws on the bottom of the case and then phillips screws inside. The SSD and the RAM are covered in a metal casing that is fairly easy to remove as it snaps right off and is easy to replace.
@@yash1152 Because Realtek Wifi is trash... doubly so in Linux. If you listen to the latest Linux UnPlugged Podcast, Chris reviewed his and mentioned that his wifi was having problems as he kept the Realtek card. I highly recommend anybody buying this laptop switch out the card. The Intel AX200 or AX201 only costs $20 to $30 on Amazon and the replacement is relatively straightforward (with the exception of the annoyingly small antenna cable connectors, but that's a norm across all laptops nowadays)
@@jaylittlegm Thanks for the reply.
At 03:54, this CPU is actually a Cezanne Zen 3 chip. I think the Linux driver just doesn’t differentiate the Vega GPU within both APU series and recognise them all as from Renoir.
by the way, I've watched several reviews of this laptop on TH-cam, and I found this one to be the most informative and really addressed the issues I care about as a software developer.
As a developer myself, this device looks fantastic to me. I do however hope to see a larger screen, larger trackpad with no buttons and most importantly - availability outside US
Surely @ Second monitor...
I love how now there is a market for Linux developer laptops.
Got myself early this year HP EliteBook 835 G8, 5850U/16/1TB, and running Tumbleweed (Opensuse) on it nicely. Everything works including the fingerprint scanner. This notebook replaced my ThinkPad running 1135g7 which was running really hot, which made me make the jump. Not a dev but a power-user. Will be sticking to this laptop till Zen4/+ mobile chips come. Highly recommended even to ThinkPad die-hards like myself. One thing I miss is the TrackPoint on my model.
Hope it will eventually reach the EU market. Would like to know if you will keep Pop OS on it and also hear your thoughts on it compared to Fedora.
Dell also had or have the trackpoint.
I personally keep my ThinkPad.
Great machine, durable and the battery can be swapped without shutting the machine down, I was able to replace the 4g module with a small SSD which I use for a OS that allows me to backup my 2tb SSD to my NAS and my remote NextCloud server
Just don't upgrade, the newer ones are not good in comparison to the old ones.
That glossy screen is a deal breaker for me, see The Linux Experiment's review
Could be fixed with a screen protector
It looks very similar to an Elitebook 845 g8, but with a black coat of paint. My work laptop only has 8gb of RAM but otherwise the specs and port layout are the same... I also get about 6-7h of work out of it, but the fact that it supports usb-c charging & displayport over usb-c means that most of the time I just plug it into my dock. While I can't be certain it's the same, I can say I've been very happy with the Elitebook.
These specs look pretty good, and I like the keyboard retaining, even if in a weird position, the page up/down home/end keys. I can't honestly say I've purposely hit the insert or delete keys in the past 20 years, though. As for your statement about media keys, I don't have any on my keyboard, so I've bound those functions, Win+Up/Down for volume Left/Right for song in the player, Enter to stop, Space to Play/Pause. One of the few good things MS did, force hardware manufacturers to include a special extra key on keyboards.
Why does TH-cam take Firefox hostage in this way? I accidentally clicked with the left mouse button on the link of this video in the notifications after opening it from the context-menu in another tab and I could not go back to the previous video which I had open on TH-cam. I noticed it more in the past. Somehow TH-cam does not play nice with Firefox and the page which should be under the left-arrow (lefttop of the browser, previous page) is replaced by the current page of TH-cam. It is weird.
Yeah, the restriction of not shipping outside US (for now) is kind of a deal breaker for me. But I will admit it looks good for it's price range, very impressed.
Hoping really bad that it's coming before the year ends. It's really the perfect spec/price ratio for me.
I bought it, now I'm waiting it to arrive. 📫💻
I'm really glad that there is more companies that produce Linux computers, but I really wish I could see a few computers (and phones and tablets etc.) like this in every store.
This looks like a great laptop. Sadly, this is mostly a US offering and is unlikely to be broadly available in my region. Regarding Pop!_OS, it has been one of my favourite Linux distros for quite some time. They do a lot of things right. I was a little sad not to see the Gnome 40 style UI be adopted, because I much prefer the horizontal workspaces and app grid there, however, the overall package on Pop!_OS is still very compelling.
your awesome man! I enjoy watching your video and your steam deck video every day! keep it up! the linux community needs more people on our side!
For when I want to replace my ThinkPad e585 this seems like an interesting laptop.
Main reason being the click buttons above the touchpad, which I use with the pad itself even if the pad clicks.
Clicking or tapping the pad is something I can't get used to and end up disabling or ignoring.
The keyboard layout seems nice, I'd like a numpad on the left but I am not aware of laptops that have that and the navigation keys layout is a plus to me.
IO wise I would miss a full sized SD card reader but other than that it is complete for how I use my laptop.
The glass in front of the screen is interesting, I happen to have a preference over glossy screens so that's neat.
Now time to find out whether a laptop in this line is available here by the time I want to replace my current laptop.
hi! :) laptop related stuff that i would like to know, please:
a) does it have s3? (aka suspend to RAM)
b) how much time does it last while in s3?
c) can you configure the battery to stop charging at your desired percent?
I'm asking because i bought the hp envy 13 and it doesn't have s3! you can't configure battery thresholds!! and the keyboard doesn't have the INSERT key :p WTH???
unusable to me... gave it to the wife...
thinking about buying another thinkpad now
How is the ssd partitioned? I am thinking about this for triple boot (arch and windows). My concern about just reformatting the SSD is the HP firmware update software.
fwupd/LVFS is a Linux program and centralized database, the only special thing is HP providing those updates to the database and the required support in the firmware....
In short, there shouldn't be anything special on the drive to support it.
It'd be cool if this partnership opened up PopOS support for my G8 Probook that has been running it since I got it. Also, any idea if there is a left-handed version of that mouse?
There's nothing stopping you from installing Pop!_OS on your Probook G8. Everything (barring maybe a fingerprint reader) should work.
@@breakpoint4869 I've had Pop!_OS on it from day one (about a year now.) Unfortunately the built-in intel wi-fi card stopped working, and system76 doesn't offer support (even though I also own a Galago Pro, the hp is provided by my work.)
Got four ordered :)
Thanks for the review.
when i had a think pad i used the buttons for the point even though i exclusively used the pad. i hate clicking pads and will stick to using the tap gestures for mouse clicks but the button for the point was nice for clicking and dragging.
I don't like that the screen isn't antiglare.
I love my HP dev one. My two complaints are that I wish the screen had better viewing angles and that the screen had a 16:10 aspect ratio. As a developer it can be exreemly tedious to scroll over and over to view different lines of code in a text editor. Having a taller screen defenatly would have been a huge productivity boon to developers.
Didn't Dell have one too with the nub mouse like the Dell latitude series if memory serves correctly they were the ones competing against Lenovo thinkpads
Love it! I got a spectre recently. Hopefully hp at some points improves stylus support on pop OS at some point!
Almost the best, except for the lack of SD Card slot, Coreboot, and thunderbolt.
You can't expect thunderbolt on am AMD platform. And yeah. I only fully realized there was no SD card slot when I was editing the video
@@gardiner_bryant The 845 G9 with Ryzen 6000 Series has USB4 40gbit USB-C ports, but it costs two grand.
Is the display NTSC 72% or less? I didn't find and details regarding display color gamut on the website?
I would like to see a middle click, and a more thinkpad like arrow keys with the back and forward buttons. No Ethernet?? Non swappable batteries??
Personally for me, a 14 inch laptop is too tiny for my poor eyesight... I'd buy one if they made a 16 inch with the same keyboard layout :)
hmmm missed opportunity to put the hp logo on the 'super' key 🤔
Why would you want that?!?!?!
The package overall is compelling but I don't think it's perfet due to one glaring issue - the screen 16:9 and not 16:10, which is significant for productivity. And yeah, the media shortcut keys missing is very annoying.
06:10 man said "like that smash button" 😂 i loved the content though, really appreciated the detailed review.
that keyboard looks identical to the one on the hp elitebook series. it's functional and fine but nothing stand out at all and the nub is all but useless. infact the whole thing looks like an elitebook, eh.
Interesting: The notebook is not linked in the video info...
Love to see PGUP, PGDN, HOME and END on 14 inch laptop.. Yes, it's for developers
I had a Lenovo-laptop, I only played with the trackpad-knob. I have nothing against it but it is not that useful. Due to the small size it has to use strong acceleration, that makes it fun to play with it (see how accurately you can estimate where the mouse pointer ends up when moving it fast) but less functional. :)
In my experience the most neglected part of many laptops are the touchpad, the touchpad-software and the keyboard. Currently I have an Acer, they made a mess of it. They use one mouse-button and the software for it sucks so it barely usable without a mouse. This is made worse because it has no handpalm-rejection at all. This is a classical case of OEM's copying Apple but not executing it properly. Not to mention that some choices of apple don't even make sense, like using only one mouse button or using a huge and useless audio-volume OSD when the user changes the audio-volume.
No numpad is a plus in my book :-)
Mine arrives any minute today. I got it for the features compared to the price as an alternative to buying yet another Windows PC with Windows 11 installed packed to the insane level of bloat like MacAfee or some other random garbage AV. It seems to be brilliantly designed and can't wait to start coding on it. I got it for $220 off for their New Year sale Still on sale till Jan 30th 2023 at Midnight. So it quickly out sold anything I could find with AMD Architecture and Linux sold out of the box by a big name giving Linux a serious contender in the room.
I have watched several Dev One reviews, I have notice a lot of screen glare. I am undecided to either buy a Dev One with screen glad or a System76 Galogo matte screen for only a few hundred more? Anyone's comments please, thank you
the best laptop for $1100... Hoping it will be available in the Philippines soon.
From a ThinkPad enthusiast's perspective, here are the cons:
-Glossy non matte screen
-Shallower key travel
-No ethernet port
-Not as durable or repairable
Some of this stuff is getting worse with thinkpad and if these things dont matter to you then who cares. I also believe some Dell latitudes have trackpoints by the way but they often have abysmal or worse prices. If you would like to see a thinkpad similar to this, I would go on ebay and look for open-box or manufacture certified refurbished Thinkpad T14 gen 1 or gen 2 AMD laptops.
This laptop has a lot of promise and got me to give it a double take but that glossy screen just ruins it for me. Literally everything else looks perfect for me. Someone tell HP that many devs love matte displays so the rest of us can jump on this.
I'm searching for silicone keyboard cover for the HP Dev One,
it is impotent to me, please help if you can 🙏
p.s: I'll happy to hear about recommended case too.
This looks like a smaller HP EliteBook but with linux.
It's better bcz it has super key instead of windows key LOL
Bruh, this is just a HP ZBook FireFly 14 G8 just with AMD hardware if I am not mistaken. Not available in Europe though so anything close to this is usually a i5-1135G7 or i7-1185g7 system.
The keyboard looks like many HP keyboards, such as on my pavillion.
Too bad it's not available in Canada
Pop is really good.
I use it as the base for my system and have KDE on top. It is just so good with Nvidia cards that I can’t recommend anything else. I have the Cosmic Shell on there and can go back whenever, but I has a custom KDE setup and workflow I like.
I honestly wish they would offer a “pop core” and then other teams could make Pop base distros for other desktop environments.
Pop Cosmic, Pop Gnome, Pop KDE, Pop Cinnamon. Why not?
Looks like a good laptop
Weird... This Laptop looks like a carbon copy of the Lenovo T14 (non "s")... I always liked the finish HP has going on their machines... It is nice to touch!
Love POP OS. I have a custom built System 76 desktop. Their laptops are great, but get $$$$ pretty quick. I'm gonna order one of these for my road warrior computer for when I'm traveling.
How can any manufacturer claim to make a develop friendly laptop with a 16:9 display?
how is your new house coming along you not talked much about it
This laptop would be perfect, just needed a 1080p webcam!
I sadly don't like the vision Pop OS is taking and I twice already had issues when upgrading to the next release that's why I switched to Fedora Silverblue and am not looking back.
Other distributions run well on here too.
a laptop coming with a linux os that's not Chrom OS is surprising.
Dell and Lenovo both sell Linux laptops, but they are more expensive and they are all Intel.
@@JSmithSS why would they make the Linux laptop more expensive than the windows version when you wouldn't have to pay for a license to install Linux as you would with Windows?
@@bland9876 They are more expensive than this laptop, I don't know if they are more than their equivalent Windows version. I do think some are more expensive because they sell fewer.
He said like that smash button😂
4:51 the mic sounds fine to me.
I have 3 other minuses for that device:
1. Where is middle button for trackpoint?
2. They don't sell it in Europe, so I cannot buy it for myself :/
3. Realtek is crap, just put Intel AX200/AX201 HP, please
I feel like promoting Framework laptops would suit you much better, specially considering your values and the kind of things you stand behind :)
This is about as upgradeable as that. It also doesn't come with Linux and is difficult to buy.
@@yeezet4592 are you actually saying an HP laptop is as upgradable as a modular laptop? :S
@@RodrigoDAgostino the actual "modular" capacity of the framework laptop isn't that great. It's nice that they provide parts and whatnot but in the end, if you want to upgrade your CPU, you still have to take out the entire motherboard. The only things that most people will ever change out are the ram, battery, and maybe storage. I don't know how easy the battery is to access, but ram and storage are accessible one the dev one.
This one looks like the computer that I use at work, though it is from 2018.
I am a bit sad that we got no crab rave :P
"coming in at a quarter of a pound the mouse feels lite"... Are you trolling me? XD 1/4 lb = 113 grams! that's *really really heavy*. My logitech G Pro X Superlight is 60 grams while being wireless. You really should try a good high end light mouse. There's really only a couple wireless options that have low enough latency to be contenders, the one I mentioned above, and the razer viper ultimate. I have both, I think the logitech is better overall, but I like the shape of the viper better. Unless one has shaky hands or something I really don't think heavy mice are a good idea, it increases wrist strain and decreases accuracy via increased need to compensate for higher momentum.
There's a reason (actually many) I stick to pre-chiclet ThinkPads, and this HP won't make me change my mind. Although the keyboard looks less braindead than thinkpad chiclet, it's still unusable to me. Function keys are way too small… Where are the ports? Oh well, no need to spend the night listing what's missing.
I love this laptop, I just wish they had a 17 inch version
0:43 "it's no mech keyb" aaaah, super redundant comparison right there
So… basically a System76 laptop for those that don’t want to pay for the made in America premium?
most of HP's corporate laptops come with the tracking nub including the windows laptops. i never understood why though.
They're really nice because you don't have to move your hands to do stuff with the mouse after typing.
I think it's an awesome notebook! Thank you for this fantastic review. What I have a problem with, to be honest, is the target audience this laptop is made for. The fact that it is made for "developers" strengthens the prejudice that Linux is only for software developers. I'm not a software developer, I'm a normal user. My wife doesn't even care about computers and uses Manjaro KDE without any issues on her HP laptop we bought without preinstalled OS. So despite this laptop is an awesome piece of hardware, I would have liked it better if it was made for the "broad audience".
I strongly disagree with the statement that "FOSS must embrace user metrics and telemetry if it wants to improve compared to proprietary offerings". What's the data being sent here? How is it going to tangibly improve the experience "compared to other proprietary offerings"? I agree that crash reports are important, a lot of users, especially most mainstream users aren't going to file issues when their software crashes, especially if it's not regular. But their telemetry includes much more than crashes, and, in this case, it's really not that anonymous!!! How is that data needed?
Adding power button near delete or backspace is stupid
"loaded for bear" - strange, it doesn't even have an Ethernet port.
Finally I found someone who agrees with me: a numpad is a must for a usable keyboard! Btw, as a developer, I've seen most of us have a favourite keyboard or two, and we keep them in our workspaces.
could I upgrade the storage to a gen 4 unit?
No
"Using exclusively capital letters for alphabetical characters, while the control and function keys are exclusively lower-case" - Isn't that the same with virtually every keyboard?
Only available in the US... Bummer
now if only HP made this god damn thing available in EU...
then again, where i live, it'll cost 2.5k €
ctrl fn super alt? They are focusing this at devs/Linux peeps. Pop! out of the box, nice. Memory not soldered, nice. Decent keyboard and a trackpoint … nice, and … interesting. RAM's not soldered, SSD's not soldered. Integrated GPU and not really set up for gaming. Fine for a dev/work laptop. Good speakers on a laptop serves well for me given that I use speech now and then. The awful webcam is a negative.
I'm reasonably excited by the inclusion of Pop! … Yeah I'm well aware of Linus's experience. Honestly the dude knows just enough that even if the thing he did weren't there (and it's not anymore in Debian), he'd have still done the exact same thing following jank instructions on some dodgy site so he didn't "pollute the challenge" by going and asking for support from someone who could give it to him. C'mon, he straight up said he wasn't gonna ask for help, and we've all seen the jank sites for Ubuntu "advice".
You didn't cite the Dev One's weight, 3.24lb. That's significant!
The one thing I wish this laptop had that it doesn't (I mean, it's not a Framework, so it hasn't got that either) is NFC. Some HP offerings have it, and if the dev one did, it'd make it really easy to start migrating to use of a product like a YubiKey which is a great idea for devs for commit signing.
7 buttons enough... What about us mmo gamers? We need more buttons.
Unfortunate that they didn't have time to implement coreboot
Auto key board backlight? You - yourself - don't know when you can't see the keyboard? You need an optician.
Lenovo Thinkpads are great but this year are going back wards for enterprise users. China is banning us spyware in the form of windows 11 and is swtching to linux by 2026.The UK and Europe consider Windows 11 a danger to national security with the background of the Russian invasion of the Ukrain.Enterprise laptops from lenovo should all now be on linux for enterprise. So why did they make the mistake on install windows 11 and the AMD z spy chip on the lenovo thinkpad Z series? The ansawer lies wih the hardware ms certification programe which MS is using to force hardware manufacturers to load ms 11 on laptops to collect and sell customer data. Hopefully with over 300 alternative operating systems spying on your laptop is a thing of the past....
Sigh... ok. I'm going to be _that_ guy. 16:9 on a laptop is a deal breaker for me, now. You gain so much space with 16:10, it's crazy. Hell, go 3:2 even!
You are not the only one, I'll never go 16:9 anymore. Only 16:10 or better: 3:2 and matte. Anything else is a non-starter.
I'm currently on a Framework, with 3:2 and a screenprotector that makes the thing matte. Also has a 1080p camera: much better and a must these day with working from home.
I agree. Horrible glossy 16:9 screen with bad viewing angle, a stupid nipple and outdated trackpad buttons. Terrible design.
@@shirro5 Welll, the nipple is fine. I grew up with it (no pun intended, but still funny) and use it every now and then. (Still: no pun)
16:9 was a way for the manufacturers to save a buck. any other format costs more for them. (Or so I was told).
I hate anything that is not 16:9. It just makes everything not standard. The more 16:9, the better.
@@softwarelivre2389 See. I can't understand that. People tell me: "But it adds black bars to what I'm watching!" and I'm like... so? Deal with them, it's not like it's making the content smaller, I really don't get it.
It just needs USBC
i had been watching it just because it was a Linux based laptop... but i wanted other opinions.
10:25 aah, the keyboard is NOT flawless. with hp, it never can be. Since they give preference to media function keys over F-keys
Easy to swap in the bios.
@@JSmithSS i know but i really dont think that should be the way it is when the demographics is "dev"
I fail to see any positive in PopOs
Lenova f up the Thinkpad line. Dell and HP has gained market share.
Finally someone else says so. I upgraded to a new ThinkPad and am so disappointed.
sadly US only product
For now.
glossy screen? pass
Only for US... what bullshit is this?
I didnt watch and came to comments straight away
I read your comment and gave it a thumbs down.
@@mavfan1 i liked yours made me chuckle :D
@@mavfan1 I too like to pretend that the dislike buttons do anything.
Your review can't be trusted because you got the device for free.
Your comment can't be trusted because you posted it for free.
If I haven't earned your trust by now, then I haven't done my job as a tech creator. I don't care if I get to keep the thing or not. I wasn't *paid money* to review this laptop. And if it had sucked, I would've said so.
@@gardiner_bryant They've effectively paid you money by giving you a laptop worth $1100 for free. Don't you see that as a conflict of interest, or at least introducing unconscious bias in your review?
There might be unconscious bias, sure. But that's why I said **right at the beginning of the video** that this was the case. To LET YOU KNOW that they gave me this laptop. That there **could be** unconscious bias. To INFORM you.
But I try to be fair and honest in my reviews. Go check out any of my other laptop reviews. I've been harshly critical towards many of them. Even ones I got to keep. Watch my Steam Deck videos. I've been equally critical as I was praising the device.
**Typing this from my HP Dev One notebook, btw.
@@gardiner_bryant How can you be fair if they're essentially giving you $1100 to promote their product? 🤔 That's the part I don't understand, even if you are critical of some aspects, they're still paying you, so you're not a truly independent reviewer. Or will you send it back to them? Call me old fashioned but as long as you're accepting freebies from these companies then your reviews can't be trusted to be completely impartial.