Apparently Yamaha does something similar, so I'm not quite as insane as purported by some... Scroll down to the IRA section usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
im good with the whole "vibrating" the guitar idea 💀guitars do "break-in" with vibration 💯 usually dead spots in my guitars are from the frets lifting (fret sprout). a fret hammer or severe cases need super glue and to be pressed down. playing the guitar for a long time will wear the fret that is sticking up, down, but not ideal. sometimes playing the guitar will press the lifted fret down if you're lucky. gg :)
You are right! I tried this technique on my guitar and she started loosening up and after a few minutes she was singing. She's been faking it this whole time! Oh, well, glad I found this out, we're both happy now.
@TorySlusher tory, I believe in what you say 100%. I was trying to make light of the connection of the female orgsm and vibration of wood. My point is if we as men really try to learn how to bring a woman to orgasm we can apply those same vibrations to find the sweet spot in an organic piece of wood that has a soul. Thank you for being a catalyst that bridges all forms of harmonic convergence. I admire you and appreciate you.
Probably yes, and also...Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
HAHAHA... I was going to ask if it makes a difference if the "Hitachi" had previously been used for its original intended purpose before... but I suppose that'd require you to reveal what could be considered to be too much personal information...??? 😻😻😻😻 VVVVVVVV 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫 YUMMY!!! 😜😜😜😜 DIFF PPLS SUBSEQUENT REACTIONS TO MY COMMENT: Most Men: Hmm, I was wondering the same thing... 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Most Women: Oh, he better NOT use my favorite toy on his guitar!!! 🤨🤨🤨🤨 Karen(The uptight way too P.C. reading this...): 😮😮😮😮 = OH MY G**, I can't believe he said that!!! We must cancel him!!! 😡😡😡😡 Me: Happy Birthday Karen, I got you something that you've needed for a very long time!!! Karen: Why is the box buzzing and making that sound...??? Me: Oh, well open it up and give it a try... and you'll see!!! ... ...PFFFF-HAHA 😂😂😂😂 HAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 *my apologies if that went too far... I'm a joker, and I love to laugh and make ppl laugh. But I meant no offense. AS A SOCIETY, WE NEED TO NOT TAKE THINGS LIKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY... AND THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT WE NEED TO TAKE WAY MORE SERIOUSLY!!! I wish you all the very best...
FINALLY! Someone who can teach us the finer, more arcane, Magic Wand details. I'd been just whacking it down, right on the ol' sweet spot, in the middle of the fretboard. Like Thor, swinging down Mjolnir. I now know to get the sides of the fingerboard first. And approach the centre in good time. Wet fingerboards, here we come!!
I really like that you explore all the aspects of making your art. I manage the repair shop at Gruhn Guitars, and this concept has proven to be critical for our restoration of vintage acoustic guitars primarily. After highly invasive repairs it can be a challenge to get the entire instrument to vibrate together and operate as designed. My experience is that it can make a huge sonic difference in completing the restoration. Excellent content along with your beautiful art that I continue to enjoy!
Oh wow, nice to hear from you, someone also pointed this out to me Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
Show her this....Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
This made me wonder about the optimal torque of the screws for a bolt on neck. It seems to me that too much torque would compress the neck in that region, which I guess could affect tone.
Im gonna try this right now I have that same exact unit in a drawer somewhere... and it's not getting much use 😒 so not sure if this works but it was fun anyway you are an incredible player and interestingly unique!
never noticed guitar dead spots but on two basses yes. oddly both were the G string, 7th fret. tried that clamp trick once in places on the headstock but that just moved the dead spot to other areas
The problem with dead notes on guitar necks is either uneven frets/fretboard, or too flexible of a neck. If the neck can vibrate it can cause notes to die out. This is common on Fender basses. Many builders such as myself use carbon fiber reinforcements to prevent this. If it’s the frets of a hump in the fretboard (often experienced in the upper end) or a slight back bow (buzzing around the 3 fret) both can be addressed, either by leveling the frets or adjusting the truss rod. Acoustic guitar vibrators are intended to loosen up the top, since the top has to vibrate freely. Doesn’t have anything to do with the neck.
It's really not though, not in every case, look, I play a lot of right-handed tapping, and trust me, it's something to do with vibrations and frequency cancellation, it's not just the fret job... I've had many guitars from new to well worn, trust me, they all have different spots that are just not as punchy until they get worn in....
I can definiately see this for acoustic guitars, but just place it on the bidge while not dampening the strings and a day of that should work well. I know of one famous luthier who puts all the finished guitars she's worked on for that period into a room with a boom box at full volume for the weekend. I've also heard that many high volume japanese factories had mechanical arms holding picks that would strum acoustic guitars for days to break them in and sound realliy good off the wall. at a store. I wonder if one of the heat/vibration pads for sore backs would work (without the heat part.) 😜
I have this one guitar where I tightened the truss rod too much, and the higher strings have dead spots on the first 3 frets. It's OK when playing chords, but horrible for lead lines. What did I do? I started playing the same notes but higher up on the neck. The truss rod is loosening all the time, so it feels like my guitar gets better and better the more I play it, and I get to discover new ways of playing chords/notes... I'm weird like that.
For those that didn't click the link - I.R.A. (INITIAL RESPONSE ACCELERATION) Any guitar benefits from being "played in," a process in which the instrument matures and opens up as the stresses between the wood and finish, neck and fingerboard, and body and hardware are released, resulting in better sound and playability. Yamaha’s exclusive Initial Response Acceleration (IRA) technology releases those stresses by applying specific vibrations to the completed instruments as part of the crafting process and gives a "played in" guitar from day one
Not exactly, ...Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
Also, loosening the neck/body bolts (on a bolt on of course) and not re-tightening to bone cracking tension. Let’s the pieces breathe and find their own harmonic balance.
I have an ultra sonic vibrating unit for cleaning parts. I'm going to strap my neck to that and see if it will smooth out the dead spots on the upper frets.
Even if it doesn't really completely do it, at least the first time I've done it several times, it seems like what's happening is like it loosens up and it feels great, and then basically it just goes back to the previous position or something, but it seems like it's getting better, I've done this with several guitars... It's kind of just simulating weeks months or even years of playing I think,
Even if it doesn't really completely do it, at least the first time I've done it several times, it seems like what's happening is like it loosens up and it feels great, and then basically it just goes back to the previous position or something, but it seems like it's getting better, I've done this with several guitars... It's kind of just simulating weeks months or even years of playing I think,
@TorySlusher I do remember that something similar was all the rage in the Classical Guitar world a few years ago, again for getting rid of wolf notes etc.
I noticed my often and loud played guitars opened up and get more resonance. To speed this process up I used a Prime Vibe unit that I loaned from a student. Now I am using a contact speaker on the neck and body that uses the surface as a speaker. With white noise, tibetian singing bowls and cool guitar music I use my guitar as a speaker to listen to music and meditate. Dead spots disapear and overtones develop, the guitar becomes more musical and louder. It really becomes an Instrument…Greetz J.
so it sounds like you're hoping to shortcut the usual method for "acoustic resonance enhancement", which your link says requires "a...combination of heat, moisture, & pressure applied for a...determined time" 🎸🔥💧
Ages ago I used vibrators as a substitute for ebows, and for some of my "sound design" experiments, but not as a way to "break in" a guitar neck. The Hitachi has a softer head so it probably has a more subtle touch than a regular device. Interesting tip, thanks, I will actually try this!
@@TorySlusher Are you familiar with (or a fan of) experimental improv guitarists? For example, Fred Frith, Keith Rowe, Derek Bailey, Sonny Sharrock, Masayuki Takayanagi, etc...? Most of those guys put aside traditional harmony and rhythm and instead focused on sound textures and language. Back then I was very involved in that scene and used all sorts of hardware and kitchen utensils on my guitar. It was an interesting soundworld to explore, kind of like John Cage or Stockhausen applied to jazz. (and if you asked Stockhausen he would've tried to take credit for copyrighting improvisation LOL!) .
I got a little left tendinitis because of the 19-24th frets area and because my thumb couldn't follow my other fingers when playing fast lines, so I usually remove it from behind the fretboard. Once I decided to keep it in control mode behind the neck and I hurt myself repeatedly because of that. Now, I'm recovering bit by bit. Any advice on thumb placement in that area ?
I don't know if I'm the person to ask about that, I will say that I just tend to have everything angled so that I'm comfortable, I don't really care what's considered to be proper... I use my thumb on the left hand to play all kinds of stuff on the 6th and 5th strings, stuff that would be impossible with "proper" placement etc... and I say just do what feels better and doesn't hurt you, I think all of this proper fun placement stuff is kind of like this ideological black hole... Maybe it will stick maybe it's just some kind of a fad I don't know, I find it to be limiting, but I do get why people do it, it's like a vanity thing with the guitar fingering.... It's supposedly looks more appealing aesthetically or something, maybe it does, but I don't think it helps you musically as much as they like to imagine
@@TorySlusher I will try to figure out positions that doesn't hurt me 😂, maybe I'd rather use the pinky less often on that area to keep space between fingers, I dunno. Thanks for the advice, that sounded fair enough.
Hey Tory, what's your favorite album of all time? How about your second favorite? Anyways, about your topic, there's a video on TH-cam for addressing technical difficulties that I've used . Blow Up - 1966 - Yardbirds - Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck Tamrons channel (18 years ago)
I wouldn't be able to pick something like that, I have a lot of albums that I like, but they're just all kind of in a pile... I don't think I could single anything out and then say that this is better than that etc I mean I'll listen to tribal tech and then go straight to zeppelin then then from there to some straight ahead jazz piano player over to some 20th century classical orchestral stuff etc it's just really stuff I enjoy and stuff that's not really on my radar...
I have noticed, am I acoustic, but I'm playing them for a while. They do change, but after playing them for a few minutes, they start to open up. I'm gonna have to pay more attention to my electric great tip!
It drives me crazy to the point that I can't even focus on what I'm trying to play cuz I keep trying to listen to the thing while I'm analyzing the feel.... And that goes for any guitar I've ever played, basically...
This probably does work. I believe the guys who invented the PLEK machine had a patent on an apparatus improving the resonance capabilities of guitars by vibrating the whole instruments across a wide spectrum of frequencies. The vibrator might look funny but might actually help with resonance issues. My theory: It's not the wood improving. It's spots where different materials were joined and failed to make a proper connection. Like frets and fingerboard (OK, fretboard...), nut / neck, bridge/body, etc. Vibration helps improving / accelerate that process. I used to better my cheap guitars by playing my studies across all keys. Works best with soft wood bodies like poplar or basswod. Necks of course are usually mahogany or maple. You are an extraordinary composer and musician, Tory, who obviously has gained a deep insight into all matters guitar and beyond! Good luck to you and your music!
I didn't know that, that makes sense though... I think there's just some pieces of wood that are good and other times it's not the right piece of wood for an instrument or a guitar etc again a lot of players who don't do a whole lot of different things probably won't notice, if they're just playing Pentatonix or something etc but once you start doing all this other stuff all the nuances and stuff, you start to notice
@@TorySlusher It's in every premium level guitar company's own best interest to provide you with a proper replacement instrument in case there are objective issues regarding resonance, playability, functionality, etc. I worked as a luthier for a small company that built electric guitars and basses (mostly set-neck) as well as did some repair work. We often reworked instruments for customers. With custom built instruments you can't rely on having built the same thing hundreds or thousands of times. Maybe it turns out putting that switch an inch lower was a bad idea in the first place. Or having the strap button point in that direction...etc. With dead spots - especially on the lower strings - it mostly seems to be an issue with the frets not being joined perfectly to the fingerboard. There might be gaps on the microscopic level where there is no contact between the metal and the wood. Brute force wont help. Vibration might. An instrument with 'dead spots' on the neck should not leave the factory / workshop. That's bad quality management. In the worst case the company will trash a fretted neck taking back your dead spot instrument. But there will be one less crap guitar to ruin your company's reputation. Is that a Strandberg? They should be happy to supply a new, perfect instrument - and to have you as an endorser if you aren't already!
Thanks Tory. Really interesting. I had a dead spot on the Gb 11th fret of my Suhr. My research showed it to be common to the model and the only workaround was to add mass to the headstock to alter tonal/vibratory characteristic of the neck. I really liked the guitar but the dead spot haunted me til I got another different brand S-style. If I can get the loan of a vibrating device I’m going to give it a shot. How long would one need to apply the vibration? Minutes/hours?
I'll just do it a bit everyday, but check this out ...Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
I bought a cheap 5 string bass I plan to install carbon rods in. I plan to record the process and post it here. I watch a bunch of luthiers here on TH-cam do it and it seems pretty straight forward. I brought it up because U pointed out this doesn't happen in reinforced necks.
I think those kind of function slightly differently on some level, ... Having played one, for a while, it seems like the tone comes from the rock hard stability of the neck... Or I might have it wrong, it may very well be that splitting the neck open like that and putting all those individual parts together and then having the strength of the carbon fiber somehow changes the vibrational profile or something...
Regarding guitars with magnets and coil pickups; especially two pickup configuration: The static magnetic pull on the string(s) does (not could, it's a matter of degree only) cause what many might know as a "false harmonic node". This is a point where a string is virtually not vibrating; it is essentially dead at this spot/point on that string. On Tory's headless, I see that the pickup heights are probably set by a knowledgeable person. Pickup to string distance can cause a player to think there are intonation problems or inability to hold pitch. There are also tone issues, timber issues. Looks like Tory might have a knowledgeable guitar tech. Or, as smart as she is, she may be her own tech. -- The vibrator machine can be interesting in the hands of the right operator.
I can just tell because I play every note on the instrument, pretty much everywhere these days, especially when practicing... I'm definitely not one of those people that prefers the brand new guitar feel versus one that has been broken in...
I can just tell because I play every note on the instrument, pretty much everywhere these days, especially when practicing... I'm definitely not one of those people that prefers the brand new guitar feel versus one that has been broken in...
@@TorySlushergenerally with new strings I would bend all over and give it a good hard strumming for an hour or so. Ones instrument is usually quite settled after that. Lol
I've noticed this in some of my guitars. I have 2 Kramer 84's. Both have the same feel to them and have the Floyds set up for right string to fret height for my playing. It's weird, cause one of them I get dropped notes from time to time. It makes the guitar sound like someone cut the audio off for a second even though I'm playing on the string. I never realized this is a phenomenon nor an explanation to this, until now. Thank you!
@@TorySlusher Wow! Thank you so much! Not that I'm trying to plug my own stuff but if you watch the video called High Dare, at the 8:43 mark in video, you can see guitar dropped out with the notes. Anytime I play and hit the record button on Mr. Video Camera, I don't overdub, I play the guitar all in one take, mistakes and all. That's why it is left in there like that. I'm human. Now I know what sometimes happens due to no fault of my own. I finally get an explanation as to what is happening. Thanks again! Much appreciative!
Try this - take a palm sander (not an orbital - just the regular vibrating type) -=WITHOUT=- sandpaper (duh) and attatch the rubber surface to the heel where the neck meets the body. Turn that sucker on. NOTE: I haven't tried this yet so obviously be careful. Maybe put a piece of cloth over the rubber part of the sander?
That might work, I don't think you would want anything like abrasively vibrational beyond a certain point though because it may start to push the frets out of their slots or something, if it's that strong, I don't think those sanders are that powerful....
Interesting idea! A couple of possible caveats, though: back of the Neck or edge of Fretboard "settling" may be the safest, because unless you have stainless Frets, you could be inviting premature wear or "denting" of the softer Fret materials, like the older tech "German Silver" (which is actually a non-silver nickel alloy material) found on many guitars up until the early 2000s. I would think that using a "transfer board" to distribute the pressures more evenly across a broader number of Frets at the same time might help, and would possibly be safer without the strings on the instrument, to avoid too focused a pressure in a small surface area. I totally believe this idea of using an Electric Massager has merit in general though, because when doing Truss Rod adjustments, I often "wrestle the neck" with both hands using twisting motions in order to make sure that the Truss Rod is settling in between turns of the Truss Rod Nut. 🤔
Well, these are stainless steel frets, I get that, there's a soft kind of foam like head on this particular thing, so it's not going to damage anything anyway... Really all I'm trying to do is simulate weeks months or even years of vibrations going through the neck without having to manually break the guitar in by playing it for that entire time....
Damn, I never considered this but it makes so much sense. Thanks for sharing this! I have noticed that almost every wooden-neck guitar I've owned, over a long period of time (and playing) it would always come to resonate more evenly, regardless of fingerboard position. But I'd never conceptualised the phenomenon like this. I really like your solution for speeding up the process as well. I truly appreciate that you take the time to question every aspect of your instrument, your technique, etc. And sharing your ideas is the icing on the cake. Tangential question: You mention your light touch on the guitar. Do you keep your instrument's action very light or no? I also play with a light touch (though I don't do the two-handed thang) and tend to keep my action just shy of The Dreaded Buzz, but I've been wondering lately if I would get more Sonic Juice out of the strings if I raised it a tad. Radical idea, I know. Cheers!
If you have the guitar plugged through an overdrive pedal into a cranked Marshall stack while you're fixing the dead spots, any earwax problems will also be cured 😊
I threw my dead guitar into the bed of my truck and drove on local washboard roads for 30 minutes. Problem solved. Next step is a small can of Tanerite and a 12 guage. Just put your acoustic in front of a big speaker, and play ZZ Top albums at the highest volume possible.
Well that was certainly unexpected but interesting. I don't know if that will work or not. I do know that sound pressure and frequency works to bring an acoustic guitar back to life. When playing open strings and it sounds dead more than likely it is the nut. If it's random it's more than likely frets are the culprit. There are also the bridge saddles to consider. And there are some guitars that will not play well with a real low action or too lighter Guage strings. Also I have ran into someone using a paper or cardboard shim in the neck joint. If none of the aforementioned thing are wrong with the guitar then the neck or body wood was not cured correctly. If a vibrator works then that is great. Or strap it to the washing machine for about a week and do a lot of laundry for a week.
I understand you can get the same effect if you stand in front of a Marshall stack for long enough, but your ears will be so burnt you might not be able to hear the difference (or anything else, for that matter) ! Love your channel and especially your playing. Thanks again and Be Cool.
If I can add to the debate Tory as an ex-electronics engineer and Dr Of Music? [My addendum is in parentheses for clarification purposes; I would advise a less experienced musician who wishes to feel their way into getting the most out of their instrument/s] that before taking a vibrator to your guitar (!) I would account for the following... 1. Different neck radiuses have different dead-zones 2. Clean the frets [simple and effective!] 3. Learn to tweak the truss rod [deals with the fret area around frets 5-10approx.] 4. Neck construction and the body joint impact on the transfer of energy from neck to body [increases sustain] 5. If you're dealing with an acoustic, it's not [always] the dead spots that are the problem but the lively zones (treat those underneath the soundboard with "Blu Tac") [world-leading classical guitarists do this, and it's a simple fix that involves tapping the sound top and listening for tonal changes, taking into account the areas between the bracing] 6. If playing a non-luthiered instrument then the body sound top might not be "tuned" properly to a flat pitch. Thus, the resonant harmonics might be out of whack [especially with acoustic guitars, back, side and front are usually tuned to avoid "wolf"-tones, where particular pitches are louder than others] 7. Buy a "fret-rocker" [ uneven frets can cause severe and localised issues, e.g., fret- buzzes, poor sustain, change in tone, etc. ] [Adding an 8th point; stay in touch with one or more luthiers and keep adding to your feel for the instrument]
Listen, I've studied all of the stuff, all over the fret work all of the different adjustments and all of the stuff, trust me... Sometimes you just get a new guitar in the damn thing is stiff everywhere, it just has to be broken in, players who do a lot of advanced techniques will notice these things, people who play more simple stuff or in only one position with certain techniques etc you're not going to notice as much.... The point with the acoustic was simply that, in the video demo I heard, before it sounded like all of the frequency bands were smashed together, then after they used the tonerite you could hear a richer base the mid sounded more under control the highs were still crisp etc that sounded more like the kind of guitar that you would want to play, something that is assisting you from an acoustical physics point of view.... ... I've messed with the stuff for many years, I even wrote a book about it... On electric guitar the main source of vibration is really coming from the neck, that's where the actual "action" is versus an acoustic which is more of the neck and the body....
@TorySlusher I have re-read my previous comment and I didn't mean it to sound personal as if it was aimed at yourself. It wasn't meant to; (My tagging you didn't help to convey my intent). Deepest apologies for that. My omments and checklist was aimed at a lower level player who wishes to start on that journey of "tweakville". One should be overarching in going through the possibilities, which is the point of not getting shot down in flames. Many complexities can indeed be solved with relatively simple tricks; I have engaged with both luthiers and top players. Blu-tac for instance is commonly used by a world leading classical guitarist. It just sounded crass when placed in a bullet point. Brevity leads to miscommunication I fully comprehend your astonishing musical abilities and of course appreciate you sharing your experiences. I'll lamend my previous comment now that I've explained my rationale. No offence was meant. Best regards, Dale
I was told by an old timer back in the days of dinosaurs that they would place a portable AM radio, on with loud volume inside of an acoustic guitar and just let it play until the battery went dead. The explanation was that the vibration would "season" the wood. This was always questionable in my mind but I never tried it so I have no personal experience.🤷
You need one of those dampeners that Stanley has. Way to keep a straight face talking about vibrator's while being a woman and incorporating it into guitar playing. I don't think it's been proposed before. So great job Tory. Oh, you're great...happy Sunday.
When I locate a "dead spot" on my guitars? I find that hanging my guitar horizontally from my ceiling fan (using two thin guitar straps). I turn the fan on at slow speed. And shoot the dead fret area repeatedly; with my "Pump-action, shell-ejecting, nerf dart shotgun". Do this procedure for 10 to 30 minutes? (depending on how dead the dead spot is). Oh important detail for assured success .. (For obvious reasons) Make Sure the fan it turning clockwise. ever Fails
HI Tory, it figures, Yamaha being one of the biggest companies in Japan, did this kind of research. I wonder if roasted maple is an "aging" process, i have a warmoth neck that is roasted , it has a worn in feel. I just thought of the Nicola Tesla invention , the multiple wave oscillator, it had low pitches that created vibrations with healing properties with lower sound vibration Also the pitch which vibrates copper against quartz is A440 Supposedly the Great Pyramid was tuned to an F# chord, as an electricity source
Somebody actually invented a type of bag you set on your guitar that vibrates the whole guitar & rearranges the molecules or something like that. Johnny Hyland swears by it-no joke, your on to something
@TorySlusher "Funny BUT TRUE" makes this even better. Indeed, lots of factors and variables in guitars and similar instruments influencing resonance and sustain. Although very well broken in at this point, I do have one guitar with a Sustaniac pickup in the neck position. It's not something I use a lot, but I can't deny it's fun on occasion. It actually works great for low gain stuff, which I almost never see anyone demo. Entertaining and legitimately useful-to-know information vid. Cheers!
I suppose so, my basic thinking is that an instrument that is well worn and broken in is going to play better and feel better than one that's brand new pretty much every time, and the biggest part of that has to do with repeated vibrations....
SGs are terrible in this regard. Neck thrus are unlikely to have the problem at all, unless they have a poorly fitted fingerboard. I’d be worried about dislodging frets, if I had a vibrator to try this with.
I've never really played any Gibson SGS for any length of time, so I wouldn't know, I won't say that the fact that you don't have the upper about, I mean there's like a double cutaway meaning there's not as much of the body touching the upper part of the neck, might have something to do with this... I feel like single cutaway guitars have a little bit of an advantage in what we're talking about with the upper frets
It's actually not so far-fetched. Yamaha has a IRA treatment system that they apply to their high end guitars. I think they borrowed that technology from their piano making department. I bet it's just a bunch of Yamaha motorcycles strapped to a container full of Revstars.
I haven't heard of that, but somebody else said that Gibson does something too like that... It seems that all of the research scientists are starting to confirm what I thought all along....
Well it’s good for us out in TH-cam land to get separate confirmation that the marketing terms/ fluff stated by companies actually yield quantifiable results. A little independent research can go a long way. Cheers.
Believe it or not, it seems to work... It's just simulating weeks months years of repeated vibrations like what you would get when you were playing normally, breaking the guitar in etc only we're trying to shorten that process
Apparently Yamaha does something similar, so I'm not quite as insane as purported by some... Scroll down to the IRA section usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
im good with the whole "vibrating" the guitar idea 💀guitars do "break-in" with vibration 💯 usually dead spots in my guitars are from the frets lifting (fret sprout). a fret hammer or severe cases need super glue and to be pressed down. playing the guitar for a long time will wear the fret that is sticking up, down, but not ideal. sometimes playing the guitar will press the lifted fret down if you're lucky. gg :)
Be careful when putting it directly on the C!
I find I get good results by hanging my guitar on a wall and yelling at it for 10 minutes a day.
Well I've been doing that anyway.... Downright abusively, to be honest.
My wife doesn't play guitar and hates when I do, but she said I should invest in one of those.
You are right! I tried this technique on my guitar and she started loosening up and after a few minutes she was singing. She's been faking it this whole time! Oh, well, glad I found this out, we're both happy now.
Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
@TorySlusher tory, I believe in what you say 100%. I was trying to make light of the connection of the female orgsm and vibration of wood. My point is if we as men really try to learn how to bring a woman to orgasm we can apply those same vibrations to find the sweet spot in an organic piece of wood that has a soul. Thank you for being a catalyst that bridges all forms of harmonic convergence. I admire you and appreciate you.
I just checked and it's not even nearly April 1st
Does it work best on the G ?
And on the C lol
Or on the A?
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Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
The fact that you used a hitachi makes it impossible for my autistic ass to tell whether this is a joke, despite your scientific explanation
Same issue. Wondering is my strat really needs an orgasm.
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Probably yes, and also...Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
HAHAHA... I was going to ask if it makes a difference if the "Hitachi" had previously been used for its original intended purpose before... but I suppose that'd require you to reveal what could be considered to be too much personal information...???
😻😻😻😻 VVVVVVVV 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫 YUMMY!!! 😜😜😜😜
DIFF PPLS SUBSEQUENT REACTIONS TO MY COMMENT:
Most Men: Hmm, I was wondering the same thing... 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Most Women: Oh, he better NOT use my favorite toy on his guitar!!! 🤨🤨🤨🤨
Karen(The uptight way too P.C. reading this...): 😮😮😮😮 = OH MY G**, I can't believe he said that!!! We must cancel him!!! 😡😡😡😡
Me: Happy Birthday Karen, I got you something that you've needed for a very long time!!!
Karen: Why is the box buzzing and making that sound...???
Me: Oh, well open it up and give it a try... and you'll see!!! ... ...PFFFF-HAHA 😂😂😂😂 HAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣
*my apologies if that went too far... I'm a joker, and I love to laugh and make ppl laugh.
But I meant no offense. AS A SOCIETY, WE NEED TO NOT TAKE THINGS LIKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY... AND THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT WE NEED TO TAKE WAY MORE SERIOUSLY!!!
I wish you all the very best...
FINALLY! Someone who can teach us the finer, more arcane, Magic Wand details.
I'd been just whacking it down, right on the ol' sweet spot, in the middle of the fretboard. Like Thor, swinging down Mjolnir.
I now know to get the sides of the fingerboard first. And approach the centre in good time. Wet fingerboards, here we come!!
It's stuck in my soundhole, what now?
Wiggle it around?
Trip to the ER.
that and a good fretjob
Nah 💀 😂
Everything is more settled after the Hitachi treatment 😊
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I really like that you explore all the aspects of making your art. I manage the repair shop at Gruhn Guitars, and this concept has proven to be critical for our restoration of vintage acoustic guitars primarily. After highly invasive repairs it can be a challenge to get the entire instrument to vibrate together and operate as designed. My experience is that it can make a huge sonic difference in completing the restoration. Excellent content along with your beautiful art that I continue to enjoy!
Oh wow, nice to hear from you, someone also pointed this out to me
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as if i was not stressed enough to make my wife happy now i have to do it to my guitar too??? lol...
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Brilliant! Thanks for the good vibes ;)
This made me wonder about the optimal torque of the screws for a bolt on neck. It seems to me that too much torque would compress the neck in that region, which I guess could affect tone.
I really don't know, I haven't messed around with that... I would be almost afraid to do that with a strandberg
Im gonna try this right now I have that same exact unit in a drawer somewhere... and it's not getting much use 😒 so not sure if this works but it was fun anyway you are an incredible player and interestingly unique!
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never noticed guitar dead spots but on two basses yes. oddly both were the G string, 7th fret. tried that clamp trick once in places on the headstock but that just moved the dead spot to other areas
🤔.... interesting
The problem with dead notes on guitar necks is either uneven frets/fretboard, or too flexible of a neck. If the neck can vibrate it can cause notes to die out. This is common on Fender basses.
Many builders such as myself use carbon fiber reinforcements to prevent this.
If it’s the frets of a hump in the fretboard (often experienced in the upper end) or a slight back bow (buzzing around the 3 fret) both can be addressed, either by leveling the frets or adjusting the truss rod.
Acoustic guitar vibrators are intended to loosen up the top, since the top has to vibrate freely. Doesn’t have anything to do with the neck.
It's really not though, not in every case, look, I play a lot of right-handed tapping, and trust me, it's something to do with vibrations and frequency cancellation, it's not just the fret job... I've had many guitars from new to well worn, trust me, they all have different spots that are just not as punchy until they get worn in....
I just broke out in a sweat!
I can definiately see this for acoustic guitars, but just place it on the bidge while not dampening the strings and a day of that should work well. I know of one famous luthier who puts all the finished guitars she's worked on for that period into a room with a boom box at full volume for the weekend. I've also heard that many high volume japanese factories had mechanical arms holding picks that would strum acoustic guitars for days to break them in and sound realliy good off the wall. at a store.
I wonder if one of the heat/vibration pads for sore backs would work (without the heat part.) 😜
I have this one guitar where I tightened the truss rod too much, and the higher strings have dead spots on the first 3 frets. It's OK when playing chords, but horrible for lead lines. What did I do? I started playing the same notes but higher up on the neck. The truss rod is loosening all the time, so it feels like my guitar gets better and better the more I play it, and I get to discover new ways of playing chords/notes... I'm weird like that.
If it's a bolt on, get a new neck
For those that didn't click the link -
I.R.A. (INITIAL RESPONSE ACCELERATION)
Any guitar benefits from being "played in," a process in which the instrument matures and opens up as the stresses between the wood and finish, neck and fingerboard, and body and hardware are released, resulting in better sound and playability.
Yamaha’s exclusive Initial Response Acceleration (IRA) technology releases those stresses by applying specific vibrations to the completed instruments as part of the crafting process and gives a "played in" guitar from day one
Zappa level troll. Excellent!
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Also, loosening the neck/body bolts (on a bolt on of course) and not re-tightening to bone cracking tension. Let’s the pieces breathe and find their own harmonic balance.
Never tried that...
@ Neither had I til somebody told me about it in a video very similar to yours. About how to fix a dead sounding guitar. Best Regards and Best Wishes!
An unbelievable, high level of responsiveness…
Use the bullet, Hover it while over your guitars pickups. Ive been using one for tricks for years.
You can't stick something like that on your pickups it'll cause all the wax potting to come loose
I think you could merch a line of barncasters with two coats of your bathwater. Love you long time, Slusher
I have an ultra sonic vibrating unit for cleaning parts. I'm going to strap my neck to that and see if it will smooth out the dead spots on the upper frets.
Even if it doesn't really completely do it, at least the first time I've done it several times, it seems like what's happening is like it loosens up and it feels great, and then basically it just goes back to the previous position or something, but it seems like it's getting better, I've done this with several guitars... It's kind of just simulating weeks months or even years of playing I think,
Even if it doesn't really completely do it, at least the first time I've done it several times, it seems like what's happening is like it loosens up and it feels great, and then basically it just goes back to the previous position or something, but it seems like it's getting better, I've done this with several guitars... It's kind of just simulating weeks months or even years of playing I think,
I tickle right behind the neck, between the lock screws…seriously, your a kick ass player.
And to think, I usually come to this channel to study fingering methods.... I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. A highly informative video.
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@TorySlusher I do remember that something similar was all the rage in the Classical Guitar world a few years ago, again for getting rid of wolf notes etc.
Vibrators for guitars? 🤯🤯 Thats wild Tory, wasnr specting this. If it works for you, then good.
The guitar vibrates for a long time when you play it and then it's broken in, what's the difference?
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Even if guitars are always exposed to loud music, experience has an effect on dead notes.
@@TorySlusherno difference, Im just amaze from the gadgets and ideas.
I noticed my often and loud played guitars opened up and get more resonance. To speed this process up I used a Prime Vibe unit that I loaned from a student. Now I am using a contact speaker on the neck and body that uses the surface as a speaker. With white noise, tibetian singing bowls and cool guitar music I use my guitar as a speaker to listen to music and meditate. Dead spots disapear and overtones develop, the guitar becomes more musical and louder. It really becomes an Instrument…Greetz J.
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so it sounds like you're hoping to shortcut the usual method for "acoustic resonance enhancement", which your link says requires "a...combination of heat, moisture, & pressure applied for a...determined time"
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Kind of
Ages ago I used vibrators as a substitute for ebows, and for some of my "sound design" experiments, but not as a way to "break in" a guitar neck. The Hitachi has a softer head so it probably has a more subtle touch than a regular device. Interesting tip, thanks, I will actually try this!
Yeah, that makes sense, I remember Mattias eklundh was doing that with the vibrator back in the '90s
@@TorySlusher Are you familiar with (or a fan of) experimental improv guitarists? For example, Fred Frith, Keith Rowe, Derek Bailey, Sonny Sharrock, Masayuki Takayanagi, etc...? Most of those guys put aside traditional harmony and rhythm and instead focused on sound textures and language. Back then I was very involved in that scene and used all sorts of hardware and kitchen utensils on my guitar. It was an interesting soundworld to explore, kind of like John Cage or Stockhausen applied to jazz. (and if you asked Stockhausen he would've tried to take credit for copyrighting improvisation LOL!) .
I got a little left tendinitis because of the 19-24th frets area and because my thumb couldn't follow my other fingers when playing fast lines, so I usually remove it from behind the fretboard. Once I decided to keep it in control mode behind the neck and I hurt myself repeatedly because of that. Now, I'm recovering bit by bit. Any advice on thumb placement in that area ?
I don't know if I'm the person to ask about that, I will say that I just tend to have everything angled so that I'm comfortable, I don't really care what's considered to be proper... I use my thumb on the left hand to play all kinds of stuff on the 6th and 5th strings, stuff that would be impossible with "proper" placement etc... and I say just do what feels better and doesn't hurt you, I think all of this proper fun placement stuff is kind of like this ideological black hole... Maybe it will stick maybe it's just some kind of a fad I don't know, I find it to be limiting, but I do get why people do it, it's like a vanity thing with the guitar fingering.... It's supposedly looks more appealing aesthetically or something, maybe it does, but I don't think it helps you musically as much as they like to imagine
@@TorySlusher I will try to figure out positions that doesn't hurt me 😂, maybe I'd rather use the pinky less often on that area to keep space between fingers, I dunno. Thanks for the advice, that sounded fair enough.
Very helpful idea! My guitars will like it!
For guitar playing purposes! lol...
I play in C flat a lot. The Vibrations in C flat are a bit different so a normal vibrator wont work.
Hey Tory, what's your favorite album of all time? How about your second favorite?
Anyways, about your topic, there's a video on TH-cam for addressing technical difficulties that I've used .
Blow Up - 1966 - Yardbirds - Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck
Tamrons channel (18 years ago)
I wouldn't be able to pick something like that, I have a lot of albums that I like, but they're just all kind of in a pile... I don't think I could single anything out and then say that this is better than that etc I mean I'll listen to tribal tech and then go straight to zeppelin then then from there to some straight ahead jazz piano player over to some 20th century classical orchestral stuff etc it's just really stuff I enjoy and stuff that's not really on my radar...
I have noticed, am I acoustic, but I'm playing them for a while. They do change, but after playing them for a few minutes, they start to open up. I'm gonna have to pay more attention to my electric great tip!
It drives me crazy to the point that I can't even focus on what I'm trying to play cuz I keep trying to listen to the thing while I'm analyzing the feel.... And that goes for any guitar I've ever played, basically...
This probably does work. I believe the guys who invented the PLEK machine had a patent on an apparatus improving the resonance capabilities of guitars by vibrating the whole instruments across a wide spectrum of frequencies. The vibrator might look funny but might actually help with resonance issues. My theory: It's not the wood improving. It's spots where different materials were joined and failed to make a proper connection. Like frets and fingerboard (OK, fretboard...), nut / neck, bridge/body, etc. Vibration helps improving / accelerate that process. I used to better my cheap guitars by playing my studies across all keys. Works best with soft wood bodies like poplar or basswod. Necks of course are usually mahogany or maple. You are an extraordinary composer and musician, Tory, who obviously has gained a deep insight into all matters guitar and beyond! Good luck to you and your music!
I didn't know that, that makes sense though... I think there's just some pieces of wood that are good and other times it's not the right piece of wood for an instrument or a guitar etc again a lot of players who don't do a whole lot of different things probably won't notice, if they're just playing Pentatonix or something etc but once you start doing all this other stuff all the nuances and stuff, you start to notice
@@TorySlusher It's in every premium level guitar company's own best interest to provide you with a proper replacement instrument in case there are objective issues regarding resonance, playability, functionality, etc. I worked as a luthier for a small company that built electric guitars and basses (mostly set-neck) as well as did some repair work. We often reworked instruments for customers. With custom built instruments you can't rely on having built the same thing hundreds or thousands of times. Maybe it turns out putting that switch an inch lower was a bad idea in the first place. Or having the strap button point in that direction...etc. With dead spots - especially on the lower strings - it mostly seems to be an issue with the frets not being joined perfectly to the fingerboard. There might be gaps on the microscopic level where there is no contact between the metal and the wood. Brute force wont help. Vibration might. An instrument with 'dead spots' on the neck should not leave the factory / workshop. That's bad quality management. In the worst case the company will trash a fretted neck taking back your dead spot instrument. But there will be one less crap guitar to ruin your company's reputation. Is that a Strandberg? They should be happy to supply a new, perfect instrument - and to have you as an endorser if you aren't already!
Thanks Tory. Really interesting. I had a dead spot on the Gb 11th fret of my Suhr. My research showed it to be common to the model and the only workaround was to add mass to the headstock to alter tonal/vibratory characteristic of the neck. I really liked the guitar but the dead spot haunted me til I got another different brand S-style. If I can get the loan of a vibrating device I’m going to give it a shot. How long would one need to apply the vibration? Minutes/hours?
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To see the promoshoot for gear of the year, pause the video and scroll it to 1:11
I just want to say thank you for the ASMR experience...... you're an incredible player and just.... well... you're magic...!
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I usually just turn it on and put it in the case with the guitar, close it and walk away.
I bought a cheap 5 string bass I plan to install carbon rods in. I plan to record the process and post it here. I watch a bunch of luthiers here on TH-cam do it and it seems pretty straight forward. I brought it up because U pointed out this doesn't happen in reinforced necks.
I think those kind of function slightly differently on some level, ... Having played one, for a while, it seems like the tone comes from the rock hard stability of the neck... Or I might have it wrong, it may very well be that splitting the neck open like that and putting all those individual parts together and then having the strength of the carbon fiber somehow changes the vibrational profile or something...
I seriously wonder if this could free up a stuck truss rod?
Regarding guitars with magnets and coil pickups; especially two pickup configuration: The static magnetic pull on the string(s) does (not could, it's a matter of degree only) cause what many might know as a "false harmonic node". This is a point where a string is virtually not vibrating; it is essentially dead at this spot/point on that string. On Tory's headless, I see that the pickup heights are probably set by a knowledgeable person. Pickup to string distance can cause a player to think there are intonation problems or inability to hold pitch. There are also tone issues, timber issues. Looks like Tory might have a knowledgeable guitar tech. Or, as smart as she is, she may be her own tech. -- The vibrator machine can be interesting in the hands of the right operator.
I can just tell because I play every note on the instrument, pretty much everywhere these days, especially when practicing... I'm definitely not one of those people that prefers the brand new guitar feel versus one that has been broken in...
I can just tell because I play every note on the instrument, pretty much everywhere these days, especially when practicing... I'm definitely not one of those people that prefers the brand new guitar feel versus one that has been broken in...
The magical tool for rubbing in your fingerboard , was that your Christmas present? You never cease to entertain Tory. 😂 Happy New year. Lol.
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@@TorySlushergenerally with new strings I would bend all over and give it a good hard strumming for an hour or so. Ones instrument is usually quite settled after that. Lol
I've noticed this in some of my guitars. I have 2 Kramer 84's. Both have the same feel to them and have the Floyds set up for right string to fret height for my playing. It's weird, cause one of them I get dropped notes from time to time. It makes the guitar sound like someone cut the audio off for a second even though I'm playing on the string. I never realized this is a phenomenon nor an explanation to this, until now. Thank you!
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@@TorySlusher Wow! Thank you so much! Not that I'm trying to plug my own stuff but if you watch the video called High Dare, at the 8:43 mark in video, you can see guitar dropped out with the notes. Anytime I play and hit the record button on Mr. Video Camera, I don't overdub, I play the guitar all in one take, mistakes and all. That's why it is left in there like that. I'm human. Now I know what sometimes happens due to no fault of my own. I finally get an explanation as to what is happening. Thanks again! Much appreciative!
Happy new year Tory!
What music is this in the backround? Something yours?
Yeah, it's another take of the tune I wrote called control... It was recorded many years before the version that's on my latest album
@@TorySlusher I found this one th-cam.com/video/d8j_rwMjgEY/w-d-xo.html Or not?
Amusing seeing the innuendos people are writing can almost hear Kenneth Williams saying ooo matron and the Sid James cackle. But what works works.
Okay, I tried it but my guitar started making strange ecstatic moaning sounds blasting from my amp.
Should I stop or carry on??
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Try this - take a palm sander (not an orbital - just the regular vibrating type) -=WITHOUT=- sandpaper (duh) and attatch the rubber surface to the heel where the neck meets the body. Turn that sucker on.
NOTE: I haven't tried this yet so obviously be careful. Maybe put a piece of cloth over the rubber part of the sander?
That might work, I don't think you would want anything like abrasively vibrational beyond a certain point though because it may start to push the frets out of their slots or something, if it's that strong, I don't think those sanders are that powerful....
@@TorySlusher Maybe hook it to a variac and under-volt it? It does have that rubber part though, so maybe it's enough to mellow it out a little.
Should I leave the tension of strings on?
I do,
My wife has a few of those for massaging her neck and shoulder… Maybe I should borrow one for my acoustics!
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You rule 😂🎸 Makes perfect sense to me.
For best results do NOT clean the wand between uses!
Yeah, but it's clean...
Interesting idea! A couple of possible caveats, though: back of the Neck or edge of Fretboard "settling" may be the safest, because unless you have stainless Frets, you could be inviting premature wear or "denting" of the softer Fret materials, like the older tech "German Silver" (which is actually a non-silver nickel alloy material) found on many guitars up until the early 2000s. I would think that using a "transfer board" to distribute the pressures more evenly across a broader number of Frets at the same time might help, and would possibly be safer without the strings on the instrument, to avoid too focused a pressure in a small surface area.
I totally believe this idea of using an Electric Massager has merit in general though, because when doing Truss Rod adjustments, I often "wrestle the neck" with both hands using twisting motions in order to make sure that the Truss Rod is settling in between turns of the Truss Rod Nut. 🤔
Well, these are stainless steel frets, I get that, there's a soft kind of foam like head on this particular thing, so it's not going to damage anything anyway... Really all I'm trying to do is simulate weeks months or even years of vibrations going through the neck without having to manually break the guitar in by playing it for that entire time....
Damn, I never considered this but it makes so much sense. Thanks for sharing this! I have noticed that almost every wooden-neck guitar I've owned, over a long period of time (and playing) it would always come to resonate more evenly, regardless of fingerboard position. But I'd never conceptualised the phenomenon like this. I really like your solution for speeding up the process as well. I truly appreciate that you take the time to question every aspect of your instrument, your technique, etc. And sharing your ideas is the icing on the cake. Tangential question: You mention your light touch on the guitar. Do you keep your instrument's action very light or no? I also play with a light touch (though I don't do the two-handed thang) and tend to keep my action just shy of The Dreaded Buzz, but I've been wondering lately if I would get more Sonic Juice out of the strings if I raised it a tad. Radical idea, I know. Cheers!
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@@TorySlusher Holy shit, that’s amazing, thanks!
If you have the guitar plugged through an overdrive pedal into a cranked Marshall stack while you're fixing the dead spots, any earwax problems will also be cured 😊
the warmthest guitar-channel ever.
How long do you do it for and can you use it multiple times in a day over a week
As needed
Densified,! ya! A song in the making! Thanks ! Cheers!;-)!
My guitar is very new, a student model....I don't think this is appropriate for a few years
Definitely not
Bookmarked the video. Now I have a sfw reason to have those around 😇
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You can be sure that Tory's channel will have something to see or hear that you won't hear or see anywhere else!
You blow me out of the water....
I threw my dead guitar into the bed of my truck and drove on local washboard roads for 30 minutes. Problem solved. Next step is a small can of Tanerite and a 12 guage.
Just put your acoustic in front of a big speaker, and play ZZ Top albums at the highest volume possible.
I think it works, I would prefer to maybe a more controlled way of doing it rather than bothering The neighbors LOL
Well that was certainly unexpected but interesting. I don't know if that will work or not. I do know that sound pressure and frequency works to bring an acoustic guitar back to life. When playing open strings and it sounds dead more than likely it is the nut. If it's random it's more than likely frets are the culprit. There are also the bridge saddles to consider. And there are some guitars that will not play well with a real low action or too lighter Guage strings. Also I have ran into someone using a paper or cardboard shim in the neck joint. If none of the aforementioned thing are wrong with the guitar then the neck or body wood was not cured correctly. If a vibrator works then that is great. Or strap it to the washing machine for about a week and do a lot of laundry for a week.
Been playing a long time, ..I can tell the difference.... TBH
@@TorySlusher I will have to try that the next time I run into that problem. Have a good one Troy.
I understand you can get the same effect if you stand in front of a Marshall stack for long enough, but your ears will be so burnt you might not be able to hear the difference (or anything else, for that matter) ! Love your channel and especially your playing. Thanks again and Be Cool.
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If I can add to the debate Tory as an ex-electronics engineer and Dr Of Music? [My addendum is in parentheses for clarification purposes; I would advise a less experienced musician who wishes to feel their way into getting the most out of their instrument/s] that before taking a vibrator to your guitar (!) I would account for the following...
1. Different neck radiuses have different dead-zones
2. Clean the frets [simple and effective!]
3. Learn to tweak the truss rod [deals with the fret area around frets 5-10approx.]
4. Neck construction and the body joint impact on the transfer of energy from neck to body [increases sustain]
5. If you're dealing with an acoustic, it's not [always] the dead spots that are the problem but the lively zones (treat those underneath the soundboard with "Blu Tac") [world-leading classical guitarists do this, and it's a simple fix that involves tapping the sound top and listening for tonal changes, taking into account the areas between the bracing]
6. If playing a non-luthiered instrument then the body sound top might not be "tuned" properly to a flat pitch. Thus, the resonant harmonics might be out of whack [especially with acoustic guitars, back, side and front are usually tuned to avoid "wolf"-tones, where particular pitches are louder than others]
7. Buy a "fret-rocker" [ uneven frets can cause severe and localised issues, e.g., fret- buzzes, poor sustain, change in tone, etc. ]
[Adding an 8th point; stay in touch with one or more luthiers and keep adding to your feel for the instrument]
Listen, I've studied all of the stuff, all over the fret work all of the different adjustments and all of the stuff, trust me... Sometimes you just get a new guitar in the damn thing is stiff everywhere, it just has to be broken in, players who do a lot of advanced techniques will notice these things, people who play more simple stuff or in only one position with certain techniques etc you're not going to notice as much....
The point with the acoustic was simply that, in the video demo I heard, before it sounded like all of the frequency bands were smashed together, then after they used the tonerite you could hear a richer base the mid sounded more under control the highs were still crisp etc that sounded more like the kind of guitar that you would want to play, something that is assisting you from an acoustical physics point of view....
... I've messed with the stuff for many years, I even wrote a book about it... On electric guitar the main source of vibration is really coming from the neck, that's where the actual "action" is versus an acoustic which is more of the neck and the body....
@TorySlusher I have re-read my previous comment and I didn't mean it to sound personal as if it was aimed at yourself. It wasn't meant to; (My tagging you didn't help to convey my intent). Deepest apologies for that.
My omments and checklist was aimed at a lower level player who wishes to start on that journey of "tweakville". One should be overarching in going through the possibilities, which is the point of not getting shot down in flames. Many complexities can indeed be solved with relatively simple tricks; I have engaged with both luthiers and top players. Blu-tac for instance is commonly used by a world leading classical guitarist. It just sounded crass when placed in a bullet point.
Brevity leads to miscommunication
I fully comprehend your astonishing musical abilities and of course appreciate you sharing your experiences.
I'll lamend my previous comment now that I've explained my rationale.
No offence was meant.
Best regards, Dale
I was told by an old timer back in the days of dinosaurs that they would place a portable AM radio, on with loud volume inside of an acoustic guitar and just let it play until the battery went dead. The explanation was that the vibration would "season" the wood. This was always questionable in my mind but I never tried it so I have no personal experience.🤷
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Does this work on bass or do I need a bigger tool?
???? You tell us .....
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That guitar neck tool, sounded pretty gnarly. Like it growled at U when you first turned it on. Please be careful how you use it.
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"For guitar-playing purposes..." Lol 😅😅😅
You need one of those dampeners that Stanley has. Way to keep a straight face talking about vibrator's while being a woman and incorporating it into guitar playing. I don't think it's been proposed before. So great job Tory. Oh, you're great...happy Sunday.
I mean I use this scrunchie as a mute, I can't really put anything else on this because it has no headstock
Here for the comedy
I think my wife would give me the raised eyebrow look if I tried this, lol.
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When I locate a "dead spot" on my guitars?
I find that hanging my guitar horizontally from my ceiling fan (using two thin guitar straps).
I turn the fan on at slow speed.
And shoot the dead fret area repeatedly; with my
"Pump-action, shell-ejecting, nerf dart shotgun".
Do this procedure for 10 to 30 minutes? (depending on how dead the dead spot is).
Oh important detail for assured success .. (For obvious reasons)
Make Sure the fan it turning clockwise. ever Fails
I can't help but think that you're being facetious
I can't help but think that you're being facetious
@@TorySlusher Perhaps ? Just a little.. LOL
HI Tory, it figures, Yamaha being one of the biggest companies in Japan, did this kind of research.
I wonder if roasted maple is an "aging" process, i have a warmoth neck that is roasted , it has a worn in feel.
I just thought of the Nicola Tesla invention , the multiple wave oscillator, it had low pitches that created vibrations with healing properties with lower sound vibration
Also the pitch which vibrates copper against quartz is A440
Supposedly the Great Pyramid was tuned to an F# chord, as an electricity source
Tory, been so busy lately. Hope you're doing well! =]
So so
cool
Somebody actually invented a type of bag you set on your guitar that vibrates the whole guitar & rearranges the molecules or something like that. Johnny Hyland swears by it-no joke, your on to something
Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
That one weird trick 😂
Luthiers hate it when you do this, but they can't stop you!
Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
@TorySlusher "Funny BUT TRUE" makes this even better. Indeed, lots of factors and variables in guitars and similar instruments influencing resonance and sustain. Although very well broken in at this point, I do have one guitar with a Sustaniac pickup in the neck position. It's not something I use a lot, but I can't deny it's fun on occasion. It actually works great for low gain stuff, which I almost never see anyone demo. Entertaining and legitimately useful-to-know information vid. Cheers!
Love it. Take my money 😂
Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
Um, this tool might have other uses too. ;)
😅
I've heard similar things...
So to revive guitar's dead spots you need a Satisfier. It makes sense!
I suppose so, my basic thinking is that an instrument that is well worn and broken in is going to play better and feel better than one that's brand new pretty much every time, and the biggest part of that has to do with repeated vibrations....
SGs are terrible in this regard. Neck thrus are unlikely to have the problem at all, unless they have a poorly fitted fingerboard. I’d be worried about dislodging frets, if I had a vibrator to try this with.
I've never really played any Gibson SGS for any length of time, so I wouldn't know, I won't say that the fact that you don't have the upper about, I mean there's like a double cutaway meaning there's not as much of the body touching the upper part of the neck, might have something to do with this... I feel like single cutaway guitars have a little bit of an advantage in what we're talking about with the upper frets
My oh my...
Guitars don't have fingerboards they have fretboards, violins and cellos etc have fingerboards
Semantics....
3:42
giggity
Scroll down to the section that says IRA, initial response acceleration
usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/guitars_basses/difference/rd.html
All this newfangled stuff, I just beat on the thing with a good ol cucumber like the old greats did.
It's actually not so far-fetched. Yamaha has a IRA treatment system that they apply to their high end guitars. I think they borrowed that technology from their piano making department. I bet it's just a bunch of Yamaha motorcycles strapped to a container full of Revstars.
ALL music IS vibration.
I think backing music needs more 70s wah wah for this video ;)
That's a much earlier take of one of my tunes, control...
😆Can you hear me now?😆
Yamaha does this…basically the AIR treatment
I haven't heard of that, but somebody else said that Gibson does something too like that... It seems that all of the research scientists are starting to confirm what I thought all along....
Well it’s good for us out in TH-cam land to get separate confirmation that the marketing terms/ fluff stated by companies actually yield quantifiable results. A little independent research can go a long way. Cheers.
Isn't this an OF secret?
Old Frisian, old French?
ive heard of a fret kisser but this is just rediculous😂
Believe it or not, it seems to work... It's just simulating weeks months years of repeated vibrations like what you would get when you were playing normally, breaking the guitar in etc only we're trying to shorten that process