Honestly, I need to take the moment to say I am so glad that they updated a bunch of these cards to "Phyrexian", and did it by just adding creature types, not taking away. I think that's what made this "Grand Creature Type Update" good compared to the last one. Anyway, in honour of this list having plenty of Vintage points, I have personally resurrected Yawgmoth in order to make sure that someone makes "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
I want you to know that someone literally just complained to maro on tumblr about that, because, and i quote "it makes infect fold to plague engineer" 😂
@@DimT670 but that can be easily handled by using generic tribal support, like Icon of Ancestry or Coat of Arms. Not to mention, Plague Engineer is a Phyrexian too, and could be run in a Phyrexian tribal deck as a counter to itself.
I started in Odissey, but always had a crush for artifacts. When I learned about the Phyrexians, they became my favourite thing ever in Magic. Even have a tatoo of their symbol.
Suggestion: Top 10 5-card cycles by card type. Not the mechanic but the set of cards, example the original 5 Moxes, or the lightning bolt-giant growth-etc cycle
I honestly know almost nothing about the Modern meta, as I haven't played since the year the format came out. But the only card I could think would be #1 was Spellskite, and that's without even realizing how popular it was in that format. I just assumed it was a great sideboard card like it was in Standard, but not THAT great. I know a lot of people talk about how broken Phyrexian mana was, but man I loved it. Everything from the specific cards to the flavor behind it, Phyrexian mana (and to a lesser extent, Infect) both felt so fitting for Scars block.
@@reggietheanarchistrat8805 Obliterator was fucking dogshit, man, it's been in like two top eights in the entire history of the game. No deck that was competitive in weaker formats could afford to run a manabase that would allow for 4 black pips on turn 4, and no deck that was competitive in actual formats gave a fuck about the thing because it's not that strong.
You can really see the surprising innate power of the Phyrexian creature type now that its been added. If good tribal support is added, Phyrexians could be a surprisingly powerful tribe.
Spellskite is funny here because lately it has fallen out of favor among sideboards in my local meta as well as in online play content. Someone once explained to me why it has been seeing so much less play, but I really can't recall the entire explanation. I think it has to do with the meta outpacing its ability and Soul Scar Mage just ignoring the card altogether by making burn spells more efficient in the long game. It also gets dunked on by Heliod Ballista and Yawgmoth Messenger combos because Spellskite either triggers the lifelink/counter ability or it is an illegal target. There is definitely more to it than that, but I do appreciate that it still turns off Niv Mizzet combos in EDH 😅
I've also seen blightsteel collosus in modern experimenter/transmogrify decks as their card to cheat out. If you don't have path of exile or something, it's very backbreaking
Are there enough Infect cards to even do Top 10 Infect? I remember getting a couple decks together when New Phyrexia came out, including a green Infect deck, and I had several people go "Nope, not playing vs that one."
Batterskull isnt phyrexian, the "germ" tokens are "phyrexian germ" tokens now. So every equipment with the living weapon ability is by default a phyrexian while it's attached to the germ.
I heard somewhere that it's due to the art from the secret lair. The sphinx is with a bunch of kids, and Wizards didn't want people thinking badly of the art. Like the phyrexian is targeting kids for compleation and the like.
I defiantly didn’t like this change as it just killed my Legacy Infect deck:( they play 1 plague engineer and name pyrexian and it now literally kills everything. It was already hard enough to win with it :(
Why don't you tell us the total number of cards with point after you tell us the total number of considered cards? That would be an interesting information ^^
Yeah, but we basically know how it'd go. Eldrazi initially wipe the floor with them, but some little drop of oil lingers on...eventually corrupting everything from lesser Eldrazi up to the big boys. Then we're stuck with not only plane-eating god-like beings, but now they're Phyrexian monstrosities too! lol
@@corey2232 I still wanna see it. Would make for interesting lore and character interaction. No gate watch. The phyrexians would be the empathetic "good guys" thinking their hot shit until meeting the eldrazi and having to adapt
@@Coreyseyes11 I think it'd be awesome. You just know WotC would never fully kill off either of their 2 most popular big bad races. The only thing I worry about is where they would go from there. Phyrexians & Eldrazi are both pretty much unstoppable forces as they are, combine their powers into a new super being & then what? Pretty much makes all other villains obsolete, and if you make a set where everyone teams up to defeat them, everything afterward would feel underwhelming. But I'm still with you despite my reservations. Pure curiosity alone makes me want to see it :)
I mean nobody wants to see every single deck running Phyrexian Metamorph, Git Probe, and Dismember, not to mention all the Pod decks that would crop up
I understand the type update, but I don’t really like it. I kinda liked having Phyrexians be undefinable abominations without a consistent typology. It was especially flavorful for cards that had a class-type but no race-type because they’re so unclassifiable
Oh yay, another example of people trying to give a pronunciation by using regular, ambiguous pronunciation guides. If only everyone knew the phonetic alphabet!
Laughing at Spellskite's flavor text saying "progress doesn't always need teeth or claws" despite it clearly having both those things in the art.
I guess, although it has spider legs more than claws.
Yeah but it's a 0/4, so a 1/1 Squirrel token has sharper teeth and claws than it.
That feels like part of the Phyrexian mindset. Sure, it doesn't NEED offenses, but let's stick some pointy bits on just for show!
and now Phyrexian Dreadnought's creature types are... Phyrexian Dreadnought
@Jaden Chadwick Yet it is a borked as hell land that seems to belong in Vintage, so the name is well chosen.
As Garfield intended
Honestly, I need to take the moment to say I am so glad that they updated a bunch of these cards to "Phyrexian", and did it by just adding creature types, not taking away. I think that's what made this "Grand Creature Type Update" good compared to the last one.
Anyway, in honour of this list having plenty of Vintage points, I have personally resurrected Yawgmoth in order to make sure that someone makes "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
I want you to know that someone literally just complained to maro on tumblr about that, because, and i quote "it makes infect fold to plague engineer" 😂
@@DimT670 but that can be easily handled by using generic tribal support, like Icon of Ancestry or Coat of Arms. Not to mention, Plague Engineer is a Phyrexian too, and could be run in a Phyrexian tribal deck as a counter to itself.
@@DimT670 That is absolutely amazing.
@@adambaker2190 Infect is a super-tight combo deck. "Generic tribal effects" won't save it from Plague Engineer.
@@adambaker2190 There's a name for Infect decks that have the mana to play those - it's "already dead".
I can’t believe I’ve been pronouncing it wrong - the phyrexian mana symbol is even the Greek letter phi.
how had you been pronouncing it??
@@gdiridium5525 probably "fur exian" versus "phi rexian"
"Pie-Rexian"
@@trentjordan5984 I can confirm that, i pronounced it that way for an embarrassingly long time
Easily the best list done so far. I love Phyrexians. Got into Magic at Scars.
Hey same! I am hoping with the creature type being updated, it means the phyrexian are making an appearance it the magic story some time in the future
I started in Odissey, but always had a crush for artifacts. When I learned about the Phyrexians, they became my favourite thing ever in Magic. Even have a tatoo of their symbol.
I figured that plague engineer was going to be higher on the list. And with the phyrexian type update it’s now effective against infect
Which gets me mad, infect already has a hard time in modern. I guess we gotta sideboard snakeskin veil or +1 +1 counter sources
@@blightedadmiral7006 s u f f e r /s
Suggestion: Top 10 5-card cycles by card type. Not the mechanic but the set of cards, example the original 5 Moxes, or the lightning bolt-giant growth-etc cycle
I honestly know almost nothing about the Modern meta, as I haven't played since the year the format came out. But the only card I could think would be #1 was Spellskite, and that's without even realizing how popular it was in that format.
I just assumed it was a great sideboard card like it was in Standard, but not THAT great. I know a lot of people talk about how broken Phyrexian mana was, but man I loved it. Everything from the specific cards to the flavor behind it, Phyrexian mana (and to a lesser extent, Infect) both felt so fitting for Scars block.
Typing this during the opening spiel: I guess that Number 1 is going to be Batterskull.
Edit: It's number TWO?! I stand corrected.
So glad the Phyrexian type was added, a much deserved race
Love this list, Love Phyrexians, Love Phyrexian Obliterator.
I’m surprised negator wasn’t on the list, I felt it was a staple in black suicide decks when they was running rampant
I was surprised at obliterater not being on the list
Suicide Black was always a cool deck, but was never dominant or even consistently good.
@@reggietheanarchistrat8805 Obliterator was fucking dogshit, man, it's been in like two top eights in the entire history of the game. No deck that was competitive in weaker formats could afford to run a manabase that would allow for 4 black pips on turn 4, and no deck that was competitive in actual formats gave a fuck about the thing because it's not that strong.
@@TheShinyFeraligatr Damn, dude. Why are you so mad at Phyrexian Obliterater? Did he hurt you?
@@keithbarlow9701 He failed to hurt my opponents.
It seems Phyrexian Metamorph's typeline is too long to fit in the text box anymore.
Artifact Creature - Phyrexian Shapeshifter is quite a cardful
Brudiclad is now a “Legendary Artifact Creature- Phyrexian Artificer”
I want to know how good Vorinclex will do against beight steel colossus
How many points does Phyrexian Dreadnought have? I always assumed it would make the list thanks to seeing consistent play in Legacy alongside Stifle.
Ah yes, the glorious return of Spellskite being number 1 in every video.
Worth noting that since Glistener Elf and Blighted Agent are Phyrexians now, Plague Engineer can completely wreck Infect decks
Any thoughts on the word 'archetype'?
As long as we are turning over new ground.
You can really see the surprising innate power of the Phyrexian creature type now that its been added. If good tribal support is added, Phyrexians could be a surprisingly powerful tribe.
Atraxa leading the Phyrexian tribal leaves a lot of flexibility for 4 colors
Forgot all about the Revoker, handy little card 👌
Great list! So with Spellskite, you can change the target of a Counterspell played by the opponent?
Afraid not. Whatever effect you are redirecting needs to be able to target Spellskite legally.
Spellskite is funny here because lately it has fallen out of favor among sideboards in my local meta as well as in online play content. Someone once explained to me why it has been seeing so much less play, but I really can't recall the entire explanation. I think it has to do with the meta outpacing its ability and Soul Scar Mage just ignoring the card altogether by making burn spells more efficient in the long game. It also gets dunked on by Heliod Ballista and Yawgmoth Messenger combos because Spellskite either triggers the lifelink/counter ability or it is an illegal target. There is definitely more to it than that, but I do appreciate that it still turns off Niv Mizzet combos in EDH 😅
I've also seen blightsteel collosus in modern experimenter/transmogrify decks as their card to cheat out. If you don't have path of exile or something, it's very backbreaking
I’m happy to see Phyrexian Revoker here, was one of my first rares. I also LOVE the M15 flavor text
Having a Lord that pumps phyrexian would let germ tokens survive. Might have some synergy because there's more phyrexians than germs
phi-rexia because their symbol is a jagged phi
Top 10 Worst Eldrazi when?
Spineless Thug, Skittering Horror, Spiteful Bully, Phyrexian Gremlins, Eviscerator...
Skirge isn't currently being played in Affinity, those decks are moving towards actually using Affinity again.
Glad I've been saying the name right without having checked
not sure about the logistics of this but I'd really like to see the average amount of copies of a card played, maybe format specific numbers as well
I was expecting Gitaxian Probe to be on the list, but I guess it's a sorcery so it doesn't have the phyrexian type, even tho it's a phyrexian card.
I want an Old Border Plague Engineer so bad.
All will be one. Hail Phyrexia.
Surprised Elesh Norn didn't make the list.
Hey I just noticed how phyrexian revoker’s face looks like a little massacre wurm
You did a good job with the pronunciation throughout the video
Are there enough Infect cards to even do Top 10 Infect? I remember getting a couple decks together when New Phyrexia came out, including a green Infect deck, and I had several people go "Nope, not playing vs that one."
m.th-cam.com/video/lNkYi6vDQ7A/w-d-xo.html
He did a -1/-1 counter list about
3-4 years ago. That could definetly use an uodate
There are a lot of infect cards.
I really thought Wurmcoil engine would be #1. I forgot about batter skull and spellskite.
Now I feel ... compleat.
I should have known Spellskite would be number one. Always redirecting my expectations.
I've never played one of the Phyrexian sets, but I love those creatures
Hadn't realized it had been added in as a new creature type - I now have a new favorite creature type
And then one change completely removed glistener from every format it was legal in. :D
IMHO the game changer for phyrexian processor was crumbling sanctuary which let you make 19/19s.
How is batterskull a phyrexian?
Batterskull isnt phyrexian, the "germ" tokens are "phyrexian germ" tokens now. So every equipment with the living weapon ability is by default a phyrexian while it's attached to the germ.
@@aritzmartinezrodriguez1825 Ah, that makes sense. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Has there been a top 10 Pump Spells yet? Would Mutagenic Growth get the top spot?
Already did it
I always loved Phyrexian Obliterator, but I never played monoblack in commander 🤣
I'm still curious as to why consecrated sphinx wasn't made a phyrexian
I heard somewhere that it's due to the art from the secret lair. The sphinx is with a bunch of kids, and Wizards didn't want people thinking badly of the art. Like the phyrexian is targeting kids for compleation and the like.
Thanks for the video. Φ
Oh easy, batterskull
Edit:
Shit, spellskite, I was close
The list I needed for my one true horrific love.
Ah my sweet, sweet Obliterator playset. One of the few cards that earns lots of concedes in casual when it drops.
Some people have different definitions of the word 'casual'.
"We're playing casual right? Okay.
Fetch to find Underground Sea, Dark Ritual, Entomb on Iona, Reanimate Iona.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
Very interesting, timely video.
Good list!!
Nizzahon and 'Eponymous', name a more iconic duo
I defiantly didn’t like this change as it just killed my Legacy Infect deck:( they play 1 plague engineer and name pyrexian and it now literally kills everything. It was already hard enough to win with it :(
Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. Weirdly helps decks hate on Infect
Why don’t cards that make other creatures that already exist be phyrexians in addition to or instead of their other types count
The Phyrexian creature type was only recently added, so no such card exists
Have you been pronuncing phyresis as fur-esis?
Fuh-REX-ee-in
@@hobez64 YUR Muh-OM
@@hobez64 Me too 😞
Phyrexian Obliterator sure didn't obliterate this top 10
Kaldra complete will be on this list when we revisit this in a few years because of the living weapon ruling
Phyrexian Plaguelord?
Yea I'm gonna ignore that official pronunciation
Why don't you tell us the total number of cards with point after you tell us the total number of considered cards?
That would be an interesting information ^^
Shock Obliterator wasn't on there
Just noticed how much you like birds lol
Now time to make phyrexian tribal so I can get wrecked by phyrexians played in more typical lists.
Phyrexia v eldrazi would be bomb
Yeah, but we basically know how it'd go.
Eldrazi initially wipe the floor with them, but some little drop of oil lingers on...eventually corrupting everything from lesser Eldrazi up to the big boys.
Then we're stuck with not only plane-eating god-like beings, but now they're Phyrexian monstrosities too! lol
@@corey2232 I still wanna see it. Would make for interesting lore and character interaction. No gate watch. The phyrexians would be the empathetic "good guys" thinking their hot shit until meeting the eldrazi and having to adapt
@@Coreyseyes11 I think it'd be awesome. You just know WotC would never fully kill off either of their 2 most popular big bad races. The only thing I worry about is where they would go from there.
Phyrexians & Eldrazi are both pretty much unstoppable forces as they are, combine their powers into a new super being & then what? Pretty much makes all other villains obsolete, and if you make a set where everyone teams up to defeat them, everything afterward would feel underwhelming.
But I'm still with you despite my reservations. Pure curiosity alone makes me want to see it :)
The Borg of the MTG multiverse.
Unfortunately, phyrexian mana has to deal with Commander rules. 😑
*fortunately
I mean nobody wants to see every single deck running Phyrexian Metamorph, Git Probe, and Dismember, not to mention all the Pod decks that would crop up
I understand the type update, but I don’t really like it. I kinda liked having Phyrexians be undefinable abominations without a consistent typology. It was especially flavorful for cards that had a class-type but no race-type because they’re so unclassifiable
*crosses fingers, hoping for Negator*
I guess I can understand Negator not being on the list.. its fun, but its not good, heh
The other pronunciation is cooler, therefore correct.
Phyrexian Obliterator ??? 🙃
No phyrexian obliterator??????? What??????
Nope. Doesn't have that many points
Great video br9
probably spellskite at number 1
Before i actually watch..the phyrexian rager better be here bc i said it's cool
Top 10 card name = card type
Nice beard
well good i pronounced it correct for 20 years then xD never heared your pronouncing to be fair xD
I hate this new creature type, now infect is even worse then before in modern.
Oh yay, another example of people trying to give a pronunciation by using regular, ambiguous pronunciation guides. If only everyone knew the phonetic alphabet!
Finally..
Woooo
Firstrexians
I hate this "official" pronunciation, I had to mute the audio because it was so jarring.
Algorithm
Selenia, Dark Angel, is in no rights, a phyrexian. Her creature type is Phyrexian Angel, it's dumb