As a White Sox fan, I don’t mind when another team spends money. I care about my team being mismanaged and unwilling to spend money. A salary cap isn’t the answer. A salary floor is.
The problem with the salary floor is the players will not accept a cap without a floor and the owners will not accept a floor without a cap So the whole thing is a non starter.
@ahogg5960 no chance discussions go nowhere, a floor is the answer and a lot of fans are tired of seeing how much teams are making and not reinvesting into the team. 13/30 teams spent at least 50%of their revenue from 2023 on payroll from 2024. 5/30 teams spent 60%of their revenue from 2023. That's a huge problem
@@williamyip11easy to hate the dodgers. They made it to back to back world series with home grown and players that were nobodies turned all stars. They start spending money like the Yankees and everyone mad? Make it make sense
Dodgers were going to sign SP. But, as a Dodgers fan, I thought teams like Mets was going to outbid us lol. While I'm so happy, I don't understand how Mets missed Snell lol. Both NY teams are way too focused and tied with Juan Soto contract.
no lol a team that deferred it's big contracts is bad for baseball lol. They have so much cash the luxury tax doesn't bother them. Need a salary cap, who the hell is going to compete against a team that walked to a WS easily in 24 when they're adding even more. It's bs and if it was your team playing in the same division against them you'd feel the same way.
@@FMXndMXismylife Players have to agree on the deferral though. Mets, Yankees, Red Sox could do the exact same thing. Hell even with Ohtani the other teams I believe offered the same exact thing as the Dodgers, but he chose the Dodgers.
The Texas Rangers spent so much money to win their World Series and everyone loved them. The Dodgers built up a team and then spent money around it and suddenly they are bad for baseball. Before this year it was “Playoffs is a crapshoot” now people want to complain it’s not fair
Yep good point about the Rangers and don’t forget the Padres went on spending binges too. Also, the Dodgers had one of the most homegrown teams from 2015-2020 and only got the covid championship with them and then that got mocked…so the hell with these people now lol y’all poked the bear so deal with it
I think alot of peoples problems are with the deferred money and the ability to flex a roster around a superstar making a lower amount then they should so they can still go for more on there plate. Like how they have shohei def. now snell def. and can probably get back teoscar and edman and a handful of vets. I see it as a challenge to get better (braves fan) others see it as the worst thing for sports Idk
@@Sweaty_DackYeah but every team and every player can defer money. Teams and players have been doing it for years. It's not the Dodgers' fault that other players don't want to offer their teams the same flexibility. Plus the Dodgers still get taxed the present-day AAV of the contract AND have to set aside that AAV per year, per player. I do agree tho people just wanna hate when they should see it as a challenge for their own teams to get good.
@@mxchump can yall come up with something that can actually make sense? Yall just sound really dumb at this point. No team spends a billion in one year, they give out contracts that is paid out over the agreed amount of time, crazy concept huh?
A 31 year old who's only regressing does not get you closer to a ring you clown. Plus L.A.s arms are made of glass...only a matter of time before he gets injured 😂😂
Dodger success is not one thing. Spending money is part of a bigger picture which includes having the right manager, coaching, culture, player development, front office mindset, farm system and the list goes on. . . Understanding all the parts and pieces of the organization matter is the key to positioning a team for winning.
Precisely!! many people only see the players they sign as free agents. The Dodgers succes comes thanks to the investment they do in the organization as a whole, which, btw, they've been doing since the new owners bought the team, it's not a magic wand result
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tmThe haters don't care who had the highest payroll unless they're winning the World Series. The Yankees haven't won it since 2009. This payroll argument is absolutely stupid. High payroll doesn't mean crap when there's no guarantee this contract even work out. The Dodgers winning the World Series and still spending is why they're getting so much hate. That would be the case with any high payroll team that's winning it all.
The dodgers have been to 50% of the last 8 World Series. They’ve won 90%+ of the last 12 division titles. Just because some teams have a shot at rolling snake eyes in October doesn’t mean it’s fun to be a fan of anyone other than LA. The rangers won a World Series, didn’t lose many significant players, and outright missed the dance the next year. That’s the problem with the dodgers. They will never have to go thru that like everyone else
Honestly great point but we have one thing only a few teams have, like 6 generations of fans spreading from East to West coast. Team has had die hard fans it's whole existence. Like you said, Texas won last year and then proceeded to average only 30k fans a game. Dodgers dissapoint us fans year aafter year and the few millions of us still show up to support.
@@JonathonGutierrez-kf2yi I mean having over 40 individual years as the biggest spenders in the league will build anyone a fanbase. Don’t forget they came from Brooklyn as well… the other largest market in America. They have a lot of fans but it’s not like the rangers are gonna do the same tomorrow no matter how many rings they win. You need sustained decades of success and the only way to do that is $$$$$. Rebuilds crush fanbases… something LA has never had to go thru
Dodgers only under the microscope because they just came off a WS win after spending huge last offseason. But go back 2 years ago when they got bounced out in the DS, laughed at yet again and called chokers, then went into the offseason and lost Trey Turner to the Phillies while getting absolutely nobody they wanted like DeGrom…nobody felt sorry for us then…so yeah I don’t mind this at all.
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As a Giants fan, this sucks but these other owners and teams need to take notes! If you want to compete, cutting payroll isn’t the way to do it and it’s frustrating to hear that from so many owners! Either attempt to play the same game the Dodgers are or get left behind!
Yankees, Mets, Astros and Phillies all had higher payrolls last year. Seems like people get mad because the Dodgers spend their money better than most teams. Although, I will say there probably were not many teams that wanted to give Snell 5 years. That might be the reason he went to the Dodgers.
Dodgers are absolutely getting Roki. Last year was a nightmare either way pitching injuries and the front office has PTSD. Can’t have enough pitching. Rotation will be (in no particular order) Shohei, Glasnow, Snell, Yamamoto, Roki, with the rest of the guys as backups and making spot starts.
@@CCtheRapperman And the more pitching they get, the less they need to try and push along Ohtani's recovery. It'd be interesting to see if they use Ohtani out of the pen as a closer instead.
The problem is they have upwards of 950m in deferred payments. The rest of the league combined is under or around 300m. There needs to be a limit to the amount of players a team is allowed to have a deferred contract
I love me some Plouffe, but it's a bit disingenuous to say that the Dodgers are in the position they are because of "non-money" reasons on top of their spending, and listing things like their player development, scouting, coaching, et cetera. Those areas are also determined by a team's budget, and the Dodgers are winning there because they are spending more. It's well known how they have the most coaches, how much they're spending on player development, etc. It's not like other teams don't want all of these things, but it's a budget cost they have to weigh against their major league roster -- literally the situation the Cardinals have openly admitted they found themselves in.
Thinkin Shohei, Mookie, Freeman is probably the best top of the lineup in baseball history. Some great duos in history, but so rare to get three in their prime. Yankees compare if Soto stays, but need Stanton from 2017.
Dodgers literally only had 3 starters available in the post season due to all the injuries. Them signing one of the top Pitchers available was a given. Bringing Buehler back as well and signing Sasaki
I’m not upset about what the Dodgers are doing but let’s not act like all 30 teams can attract free agents like LA. My Guardians sure as hell aren’t in the running for any big time free agents to come to Cleveland.
I don't mind LAD signs Snell. But what is bad for baseball is a team that can sign everybody they want. Luxury tax isn't helping to curb these teams. We need to have more equity.
Not that this the teams downfall but all these analysts mentioning Bobby Miller when he had a War of -2 last year with an Era close to 8. They're not watching regular season dodgers lol
He’s 25 years old coming off a dominant rookie season. His stuff is unquestionable. He just needs to figure out the mental side and he’ll be a dominant middle of the rotation arm.
Lifelong Blue here. Never have I wanted a pitcher more than Snell since Tampa! Dude is an ASSASSIN!!! Let him FEED in LA and he’ll get hid 3RD CY!!! 🤘🤘🤘🥳
I think the objective take here is that there’s nothing wrong with the Dodgers specifically for taking advantage of a broke system. Something needs to happen to make teams spend closer to the same amount of money because it is just a bit ridiculous at this point when the Dodgers have THAT rotation all getting paid and you still have the Triple A’s. I do think it’s important to mention that regardless if it was the Dodgers, Yanks, Red Sox or whoever else it’s an issue regardless
There is no parity to a decade straight of playoffs with 2 World Series victories and a setup to now dominate the World Series for at least the next 5 years
Guardians in 2023 made 315 million in revenue and there payroll was 88 million come on talke about teams don't have the money the dodgers do that's what's bad for baseball
Larry dolan is literally a top 5 wealthiest owner in all of baseball stop it lmao if he really cared about the team he’d break out the checkbook plain and simple
@@Michael-tj5bk Dodgers had 549 million of revenue in '23. I don't know where you're pulling that 750 figure from. The point is the Guardians, the Rays, the O's et al. All of them could easily, easily spend more money on their payroll and still be incredibly profitable. The only thing that is bad for baseball is greedy, greedy billionaire owners.
@@Michael-tj5bk You clearly misheard. The 549 figure is reported by Forbes and other outlets. But please lamely tell me to get a clue about something that is super, super easy to google and prove yourself wrong about. Anyways the Dodger's team revenue doesn't have anything to do with Dolan not signing FAs at market rate.
Snell is one if the rare players that is a straight up mercenary (he has admitted this) and is also a great teammate. Usually guys like that are awful in the clubhouse
correction Rosey, all 30 teams have the money, the Dodgers are the only ones choosing to spend theirs like this, as you kinda said a minute later as im typing lol
This isn't actually true. The NFL has the most parity. The reason certain teams dominate is down to how they are run and play more than anything financial.
@@Mictlantecuhtli_83Teams in the NFL are good from good coaching and people making the right roster moves, while the bad teams are bad from incompetence from the GM’s and owner. Teams that are good in MLB usually comes down to whoever spends the most money, while the bad teams are usually the ones that don’t spend much. Now that’s not the case for every team, since there are a few surprises every year, but that’s usually the norm. Clear distinction.
I get what Plouffe is saying about the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers but the common denominator of those teams is that they haven’t won a World Series( and only the guardians really got close in 2016). I too am a pirates fan and the fact that only about 6 teams can realistically fantasize about the top FAs while my fan base is wondering if we can nickel and dime our way to Tyler O’Neill, to me is a flaw in the game I love most
The team that is hurt the most by this is the Giants, they signed Snell - payed the extra draft pick - got half a year of production, didn't trade him at the deadline, and failed to make a competitive offer - just absolutely lighting assets on fire for a ~500 team.
You realize that the rest of the country already despises LA for the shithole it is, but now you have to destroy the national past time? Tool made an anthem about SoCal. It’s called AEnima.
You do realize the last national league team to go back to back World Series titles was the Reds back in the late 70s right? Even with a stacked roster, it’s still difficult but not impossible. The last team to do it, was the Yankees from 1998-2000 and no team has done it since. The reality is just because your team is stacked, doesn’t guarantee a championship every year. I’m not downplaying yall winning the World Series. I’m just being realistic.
Crazy stuffing take from trev also I don’t eat Mac and cheese for thanksgiving. Great take on the cranberry sauce tho. I love green beans. Love yams. Now for the baseball, the dodgers have a super team
The financial situation is out of whack in baseball because you got owners who only keep payrolls of $40-50 million dollars. How do you expect your team to compete when the owners self impose a shoe string budget because they’re cheap? Salary cap won’t stop the vast majority owners being cheap, want owners to spend, install a salary floor.
Not all businesses make the same amount of money and it’s strictly based on their business decisions. Dodgers are just good at doing business and it shows!
I think the issue about the competitive balance, while I agree w Plouffe's assessment of the Pirates specifically, these smaller market team HAVE to have lightning in a bottle. So many picks need to pan out, every signing they make pretty much has to work out. And this....just to have a chance at competing with teams with money to burn.
First Happy Thanksgiving to all the great Baseball Fans out there that follow this great show and to Chris and Plouffe and to JBM. Not a Dodgers fan but I believe this can be good for baseball. Super teams come and go. Not the first time for baseball. The players will age and perhaps the contracts will handcuff the team. But the Dodgers have a big brand. So good for baseball. TY all.
I’ve never seen a player quite implode like that who wasn’t injured…or was he? Really don’t know it’s a total mystery with that guy but not counting on him going forward
Trevor said it, the dodgers are just one of the best when it comes to drafting, development, trades, and scouting. Tommy Edman and Kopech, any team could have gotten those guys. And the Dodgers know you have to spend/invest money smartly as well.
The Braves and Rays have proven you don’t have to spend tons of $$$ OMG Trevor! Yes, there are wild turkeys 🦃 in the mountains around LA!!! From Sta Barbara to San Diego. Gobble gobble. Happy Thanksgiving Boys!!
Everyone else: The Dodgers finally won a legit WS since 1988. Dodgers: Okay… Everyone else: The Dodgers buying championships. Dodgers: Remind us again exactly how many championships we bought since 1988. And that’s a problem for you?
Just because Dodgers got Snell doesn't mean they're not going after Sasaki lol. Sasaki will be on a minor league contract. Dodgers will go after him no matter what.
@@twig4590 Maybe who knows. But you don't come early and lose out on all that money to go to a team that's not good. You might as well wait and make big money in the process. I would love for him to go the Dodgers, but he has to pick a team where they're good while he's there for the 6 years. Dodgers, Padres, any good team.
I think a lot of the immediate "this is bad for baseball" people are likely still reeling from the WS and then the first big free agent signs and of course its the dodgers and all those things kinda compound. Are they a super team? Sure. Is this good for baseball? It absolutely is, wether or not you think so is up to you. I would be open to having a salary floor/ceiling but until then I will continue to ask, why don't other teams do it? Every team is owned by a billionaire(s) that could easily spend loads of money on a whim. So why don't they?
As a White Sox fan, I don’t mind when another team spends money. I care about my team being mismanaged and unwilling to spend money. A salary cap isn’t the answer. A salary floor is.
The problem with the salary floor is the players will not accept a cap without a floor and the owners will not accept a floor without a cap
So the whole thing is a non starter.
@ahogg5960 no chance discussions go nowhere, a floor is the answer and a lot of fans are tired of seeing how much teams are making and not reinvesting into the team. 13/30 teams spent at least 50%of their revenue from 2023 on payroll from 2024. 5/30 teams spent 60%of their revenue from 2023. That's a huge problem
Agree 💯. A salary floor is essential. Replace the cheap owners with whales who actually love the team.
@@ahogg5960These guys keep shooting them selves in the foot.
100 here. Aint no reason why Chicago White Sox shouldnt have more mojo. Love the team colors and the city.
Also, did people really think the Dodgers weren't gonna sign a free agent pitcher this offseason?
foreal. Its only going to get worse for other teams and fans. Dodgers have their guns ready to fire.
They're also acting as if all the other teams can't do anything... Like be mad at THEM for doing nothing.
@@williamyip11 Anger isn't a problem for MLB, apathy is.
@@williamyip11easy to hate the dodgers. They made it to back to back world series with home grown and players that were nobodies turned all stars. They start spending money like the Yankees and everyone mad? Make it make sense
Dodgers were going to sign SP. But, as a Dodgers fan, I thought teams like Mets was going to outbid us lol. While I'm so happy, I don't understand how Mets missed Snell lol. Both NY teams are way too focused and tied with Juan Soto contract.
The owners that don’t try are bad for baseball.
no lol a team that deferred it's big contracts is bad for baseball lol. They have so much cash the luxury tax doesn't bother them. Need a salary cap, who the hell is going to compete against a team that walked to a WS easily in 24 when they're adding even more. It's bs and if it was your team playing in the same division against them you'd feel the same way.
If the giants or padres did this LA fans would have a meltdown
@@FMXndMXismylife Players have to agree on the deferral though. Mets, Yankees, Red Sox could do the exact same thing. Hell even with Ohtani the other teams I believe offered the same exact thing as the Dodgers, but he chose the Dodgers.
@@FMXndMXismylifeno we wouldn’t LMAO
@@FMXndMXismylifethe dodgers aren’t getting special treatment they just read the terms and conditions better 😂
Didn’t want to go to bed anyways…
Rose, really appreciate you shouting out people who spend Thanksgiving alone. ❤
Chris is a class act!
Chris really is the best!
The Texas Rangers spent so much money to win their World Series and everyone loved them. The Dodgers built up a team and then spent money around it and suddenly they are bad for baseball. Before this year it was “Playoffs is a crapshoot” now people want to complain it’s not fair
Yep good point about the Rangers and don’t forget the Padres went on spending binges too. Also, the Dodgers had one of the most homegrown teams from 2015-2020 and only got the covid championship with them and then that got mocked…so the hell with these people now lol y’all poked the bear so deal with it
I think alot of peoples problems are with the deferred money and the ability to flex a roster around a superstar making a lower amount then they should so they can still go for more on there plate. Like how they have shohei def. now snell def. and can probably get back teoscar and edman and a handful of vets. I see it as a challenge to get better (braves fan) others see it as the worst thing for sports Idk
Remind me who the Rangers spent 1 billion dollars on in 2022 again?
@@Sweaty_DackYeah but every team and every player can defer money. Teams and players have been doing it for years. It's not the Dodgers' fault that other players don't want to offer their teams the same flexibility. Plus the Dodgers still get taxed the present-day AAV of the contract AND have to set aside that AAV per year, per player. I do agree tho people just wanna hate when they should see it as a challenge for their own teams to get good.
@@mxchump can yall come up with something that can actually make sense? Yall just sound really dumb at this point. No team spends a billion in one year, they give out contracts that is paid out over the agreed amount of time, crazy concept huh?
The All-Star game the next 5-10 years will now feature American League All-Stars vs LA Dodgers.
😂 its just gonna be half our team being represented.
Let’s go!!!!!!!
After all the mockery and jokes about losing in the playoffs people just wanted the dodgers to just be content with 1?? Think again!!
A 31 year old who's only regressing does not get you closer to a ring you clown. Plus L.A.s arms are made of glass...only a matter of time before he gets injured 😂😂
Nobody outside LA respects the Dodgers for doing this crap. They look like a bunch of scared ass rich chumps
fax. they made the dodgers. Astros cheating really made the organization mad and vengeful
They poked the bear.
The Yankees won 4 out of 5 years 25 years ago and the baseball world ate it up. So I don’t care how it looks now if the Dodgers win again in 2025.
Roki is like $5-$9M international pool money. This doesn't affect whether they go after Roki at all. Money isn't a factor.
Integrity never comes into play with the Dodgers
@@GJLCreativeStudiosthe f this gotta do with integrity 😂😂😂😂😂😂 hate us cuz you ain’t us🥲🥲🥲
@@GJLCreativeStudios😂
there's literally no room in the rotation for him, they're not referring to money, they wouldn't sign Kershaw and probably would have to trade someone
@@GJLCreativeStudios God I love it when people like you are salty about us. Stay mad :')))
Dodger success is not one thing. Spending money is part of a bigger picture which includes having the right manager, coaching, culture, player development, front office mindset, farm system and the list goes on. . . Understanding all the parts and pieces of the organization matter is the key to positioning a team for winning.
Precisely!! many people only see the players they sign as free agents. The Dodgers succes comes thanks to the investment they do in the organization as a whole, which, btw, they've been doing since the new owners bought the team, it's not a magic wand result
I can listen to Chris and Trev talk about Thanksgiving food selections all day, great talk boys!
Any team could've signed Snell...LAST YEAR 😂 Why didn't they?
No stamina, injury prone, it’s a terrible contract. If it was 2018 Blake Snell, it would be different.
Told not too
Good point. Seems even the Dodgers could have. Glad they didn’t, we won without him and now we got him anyway…
@@PrickFlairthey dont need him to pitch entire yr, they need him in postseason, aces win in postseason
Yankees been doin this for decades and NOW it's "bad for baseball" 😂
ikr? dodgers just workin within the system that every other team can do. dont be mad at dodgers just becuz they better at it. lol
@@LoJahn Yankees been top 3 highest payroll since 1998 except for 2018. 🤣
@LoJahn 2020 Yankees had the number 1 payroll. they been either number 2 or 3 for over 4 decades. be better at math & facts.
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tmThe haters don't care who had the highest payroll unless they're winning the World Series. The Yankees haven't won it since 2009. This payroll argument is absolutely stupid. High payroll doesn't mean crap when there's no guarantee this contract even work out. The Dodgers winning the World Series and still spending is why they're getting so much hate. That would be the case with any high payroll team that's winning it all.
Exactly😂... This is how Derek Jeter got 5 Rings
The Dodgers have been really good for 11 years and only won the world series twice nothing is a given
The dodgers have been to 50% of the last 8 World Series. They’ve won 90%+ of the last 12 division titles. Just because some teams have a shot at rolling snake eyes in October doesn’t mean it’s fun to be a fan of anyone other than LA. The rangers won a World Series, didn’t lose many significant players, and outright missed the dance the next year. That’s the problem with the dodgers. They will never have to go thru that like everyone else
Honestly great point but we have one thing only a few teams have, like 6 generations of fans spreading from East to West coast. Team has had die hard fans it's whole existence. Like you said, Texas won last year and then proceeded to average only 30k fans a game. Dodgers dissapoint us fans year aafter year and the few millions of us still show up to support.
@@JonathonGutierrez-kf2yi I mean having over 40 individual years as the biggest spenders in the league will build anyone a fanbase. Don’t forget they came from Brooklyn as well… the other largest market in America. They have a lot of fans but it’s not like the rangers are gonna do the same tomorrow no matter how many rings they win. You need sustained decades of success and the only way to do that is $$$$$. Rebuilds crush fanbases… something LA has never had to go thru
40 minute instant reaction the night of the deal?? Chris and Trev= 🐐
2 🐐’s who absolutely carry Jomboy Media as a whole
As a Dodgers fan, I’m on cloud 9 right now. If we get Sasaki, that will be it. I’ll buy a Jersey of every single player I swear.
Chris and Plouffe literally being the yin and the yang of Thankgiving foods had me in stitches. LOL
After being the league’s punchline for years and getting cheated out of 2017, this Dodgers fan doesn’t care. Dynasty incoming
We've gotten 2 rings since 2017, quit bitchin about 2017
Gonna be a helluva great decade and it’s already started 🎉
Punchline for years? Tht dodgers have one 90 games for 12 years straight. STFU
Still a punchline. Buying wins and rings isn’t a good look 😂 Just the Yankees of the west. 😂
@ Don’t care how it looks, your team are still losers lmao
Can you imagine what dodger fans were saying in 2014 looking at mvp kershaw? Why can’t they go all in?
Dodgers only under the microscope because they just came off a WS win after spending huge last offseason. But go back 2 years ago when they got bounced out in the DS, laughed at yet again and called chokers, then went into the offseason and lost Trey Turner to the Phillies while getting absolutely nobody they wanted like DeGrom…nobody felt sorry for us then…so yeah I don’t mind this at all.
Chris Rose is exactly right about stuffing. It’s the best thing about Thanksgiving, and if I’m only eating one thing it’s stuffing.
i’m old enough to remember when the dodgers filed for BANKRUPTCY no amount of handwringing will make me enjoy this era less
Gotta respect the grind 💪
Juan Soto to Phillies would be pretty funny. Imagine Harper, Turner and Soto going back to DC for a series.
Shout out to my wife Kasey for being so forgiving , loving and strong to being with me for almost 15 years ! Happy thanks giving all ! Yall talking about how the food needs love in it means something had me tearing up. Thank you guys for all you do!
How fast people forget the ‘90s Yankees-the “Evil Empire.” This ain’t anything new, kids. There’s always a team willing to outspend the others. 🤷♂️
As a Giants fan, this sucks but these other owners and teams need to take notes! If you want to compete, cutting payroll isn’t the way to do it and it’s frustrating to hear that from so many owners! Either attempt to play the same game the Dodgers are or get left behind!
Yo, I think it's really cool that you guys found a question online from a fan and answered it on the show.
Yankees, Mets, Astros and Phillies all had higher payrolls last year. Seems like people get mad because the Dodgers spend their money better than most teams. Although, I will say there probably were not many teams that wanted to give Snell 5 years. That might be the reason he went to the Dodgers.
Dodgers are absolutely getting Roki. Last year was a nightmare either way pitching injuries and the front office has PTSD. Can’t have enough pitching. Rotation will be (in no particular order) Shohei, Glasnow, Snell, Yamamoto, Roki, with the rest of the guys as backups and making spot starts.
There is 0 chance Shohei starts as a regular part of the rotation next season, his shoulder is still busted
@@CCtheRapperman And the more pitching they get, the less they need to try and push along Ohtani's recovery.
It'd be interesting to see if they use Ohtani out of the pen as a closer instead.
@@CCtheRappermanHe is a right handed pitcher. The shoulder is the left. He will probably start the season ramping up.
The problem is they have upwards of 950m in deferred payments. The rest of the league combined is under or around 300m. There needs to be a limit to the amount of players a team is allowed to have a deferred contract
Play Union and Owners wanted unlimited. Never going to happen.
I love me some Plouffe, but it's a bit disingenuous to say that the Dodgers are in the position they are because of "non-money" reasons on top of their spending, and listing things like their player development, scouting, coaching, et cetera. Those areas are also determined by a team's budget, and the Dodgers are winning there because they are spending more. It's well known how they have the most coaches, how much they're spending on player development, etc. It's not like other teams don't want all of these things, but it's a budget cost they have to weigh against their major league roster -- literally the situation the Cardinals have openly admitted they found themselves in.
Awesome stuff guys, always appreciate the grind you two put in. Even when you don’t have to 👍🏻
Its my first thanksgiving by myself thank you Chris Rose -Twins/AL central fan
I love you guys commitment to baseball. However, I am going to sleep. I will watch this in the morning.
Keep that to yourself haha no one cares
Thinkin Shohei, Mookie, Freeman is probably the best top of the lineup in baseball history. Some great duos in history, but so rare to get three in their prime. Yankees compare if Soto stays, but need Stanton from 2017.
This move has no bearing on Sasaki, they needed one more big name starter to go along with Sasaki to make a formidable 6 man rotation.
Dodgers are about to 5 peat Trevor is hilarious for playing this down
All this to beat the rockies is insane 😂
Ah yes because if there’s one team you gotta worry about in the NL west it’s the ROCKIES LMFAOOOOOOO WHAT
@@hbsea4698 i am that actually made me laugh lol
You tried
More like rubbing more salt onto the padres also put rest of the league on notice, like yall are done
Rockies? Lol not even remotely on our radar 😂🤡
Dodgers literally only had 3 starters available in the post season due to all the injuries. Them signing one of the top Pitchers available was a given. Bringing Buehler back as well and signing Sasaki
to everyone who is mad about what the Dodgers are doing "YOUR TEAM CAN DO IT TOO"
I’m not upset about what the Dodgers are doing but let’s not act like all 30 teams can attract free agents like LA. My Guardians sure as hell aren’t in the running for any big time free agents to come to Cleveland.
Dodgers been laughing stock of mlb the past decade and labeled as Choketober, glad they’re pissing on everyone else for a change.
@@am3lagrimas410 fuck the dodgers
The Mets tried and they got handed a tax.
@@jstizzy7 How is it the dodgers fault the players themselves want to play in LA and not in the middle of nowhere?
We dont want any former Astros on our Dodgers squad.
I don't mind LAD signs Snell. But what is bad for baseball is a team that can sign everybody they want. Luxury tax isn't helping to curb these teams. We need to have more equity.
yeah there needs to be a minimum salary floor across the MLB.
Thanks for the upload fellas. Happy Thanksgiving.
I wanted Blake Snell badly to be a Dodger last season but it did not happen..now me very happy!!💯😝😙💙
Not that this the teams downfall but all these analysts mentioning Bobby Miller when he had a War of -2 last year with an Era close to 8. They're not watching regular season dodgers lol
He’s 25 years old coming off a dominant rookie season. His stuff is unquestionable. He just needs to figure out the mental side and he’ll be a dominant middle of the rotation arm.
Snell, ohtani, yama, roki, glasnow. Any of these can be a ace on any team. Dodgers at this point have 5 Ace.
Roki an ace without throwing an inning 😂
If you can’t BEAT L.A.
join them 👀
Let’s go back to back
22:30 literally got a question about "why should I bother watching anymore" goes on to talk about how its great and people want to watch underdogs lol
I've been a dodgers fan for decades. I am embracing the "Villain" role, after 2017 and 2020, the rest of the league can suck it
Just like you can suck it paying for parking and getting in and out of that nightmare of a parking lot
Lifelong Blue here. Never have I wanted a pitcher more than Snell since Tampa! Dude is an ASSASSIN!!! Let him FEED in LA and he’ll get hid 3RD CY!!!
🤘🤘🤘🥳
I Love this show. 👏👏👏 Thanks guys.
28:48 Robinson Cano
I think the objective take here is that there’s nothing wrong with the Dodgers specifically for taking advantage of a broke system. Something needs to happen to make teams spend closer to the same amount of money because it is just a bit ridiculous at this point when the Dodgers have THAT rotation all getting paid and you still have the Triple A’s. I do think it’s important to mention that regardless if it was the Dodgers, Yanks, Red Sox or whoever else it’s an issue regardless
There is no parity to a decade straight of playoffs with 2 World Series victories and a setup to now dominate the World Series for at least the next 5 years
Guardians in 2023 made 315 million in revenue and there payroll was 88 million come on talke about teams don't have the money the dodgers do that's what's bad for baseball
Larry dolan is literally a top 5 wealthiest owner in all of baseball stop it lmao if he really cared about the team he’d break out the checkbook plain and simple
The dodgers made over 750 million in revenue. Yes it is
@@Michael-tj5bk Dodgers had 549 million of revenue in '23. I don't know where you're pulling that 750 figure from. The point is the Guardians, the Rays, the O's et al. All of them could easily, easily spend more money on their payroll and still be incredibly profitable. The only thing that is bad for baseball is greedy, greedy billionaire owners.
@IPANoah it was on foul territory. Get a clue
@@Michael-tj5bk You clearly misheard. The 549 figure is reported by Forbes and other outlets. But please lamely tell me to get a clue about something that is super, super easy to google and prove yourself wrong about. Anyways the Dodger's team revenue doesn't have anything to do with Dolan not signing FAs at market rate.
Snell is one if the rare players that is a straight up mercenary (he has admitted this) and is also a great teammate. Usually guys like that are awful in the clubhouse
Of course Trevor has an L take on stuffing as a #1 Thanksgiving dish...and the mac n cheese...Thanksgiving mac n cheese rules
Trevor need to be jailed again for the Bregman to The Dodgers comment
I loved the Thanksgiving segment. Trevor is a criminal for saying stuffing is overrated!!!
I’m with you, Trev! Not that into stuffing, but it’s my husband’s favorite, so I’m making it
18:58 Well put Rose, as a Rays fan, it's a good kick in the nuts with ownership and it does build character as a sports fan. Rays Up!
correction Rosey, all 30 teams have the money, the Dodgers are the only ones choosing to spend theirs like this, as you kinda said a minute later as im typing lol
Loving the food debate at the end
Answer for Stephen Bruno: the competitive balance isn’t out of whack at all. In fact, MLB has greater parity than the NFL, NBA, or NHL.
This isn't actually true. The NFL has the most parity. The reason certain teams dominate is down to how they are run and play more than anything financial.
@@zaneplatt3533really? Last ten years eight teams have been champions in the MLB, during that span only six NFL teams won.
@@Mictlantecuhtli_83Teams in the NFL are good from good coaching and people making the right roster moves, while the bad teams are bad from incompetence from the GM’s and owner. Teams that are good in MLB usually comes down to whoever spends the most money, while the bad teams are usually the ones that don’t spend much. Now that’s not the case for every team, since there are a few surprises every year, but that’s usually the norm. Clear distinction.
I get what Plouffe is saying about the Rays, Guardians, and Brewers but the common denominator of those teams is that they haven’t won a World Series( and only the guardians really got close in 2016). I too am a pirates fan and the fact that only about 6 teams can realistically fantasize about the top FAs while my fan base is wondering if we can nickel and dime our way to Tyler O’Neill, to me is a flaw in the game I love most
Signs with the dodgers AND is friends with Trevor?? Surprised he isn’t automatically considered the best pitcher in baseball with those credentials 😂
The team that is hurt the most by this is the Giants, they signed Snell - payed the extra draft pick - got half a year of production, didn't trade him at the deadline, and failed to make a competitive offer - just absolutely lighting assets on fire for a ~500 team.
Yes it's not their fault the cheap owners won't spend 😊😊😊😊😊😊
i think the blue and red mics in the video for soto means LA or Philly im just not sure which.. definitely means something bro
The red is for the angels actually
@@marcman1999 im talking about how the colors match only 2 teams specifically. The blue the angels have is a lil darker more like a navy blue but..
There needs to be penalties on owners for being stingy and weak. Manfred and the owners have ruined baseball not the dodgers
Dynasty folks. Sit back and enjoy! 🏆
ENjoy what? The 1992 dream team playing against regular NBA teams? How much respect is that worth?
@@GJLCreativeStudioshate us cuz you ain’t usssssss😝
@@GJLCreativeStudiosbro became a fan this year 😭
You realize that the rest of the country already despises LA for the shithole it is, but now you have to destroy the national past time?
Tool made an anthem about SoCal.
It’s called AEnima.
Nah just never watching baseball again. Enjoy your rigged ass league
This is only bad for the rest of the league, good for us! We want to go back to back to back🎉
You do realize the last national league team to go back to back World Series titles was the Reds back in the late 70s right? Even with a stacked roster, it’s still difficult but not impossible. The last team to do it, was the Yankees from 1998-2000 and no team has done it since. The reality is just because your team is stacked, doesn’t guarantee a championship every year. I’m not downplaying yall winning the World Series. I’m just being realistic.
What? Bad for baseball? Dodgers, Dodgers nation and Japan are saving baseball. Stop it.
humans are crazy. absolutely agree on pumpkin pie being the best, could not despise cheesecake any more than i already do lol
Crazy stuffing take from trev also I don’t eat Mac and cheese for thanksgiving. Great take on the cranberry sauce tho. I love green beans. Love yams.
Now for the baseball, the dodgers have a super team
Happy thanksgiving fellas.✌️💙
Go dodgers!
6:20 here from the future to say Trevor was a prophet to predict extending Tommy Edman (but also I expected it too lol dude is a stud)
Long story short
=> The Dodgers will dominate and build a DYNASTY 🎉🎉❤❤
Before I even watch I know Plouffe is gonna be like "NO, ONE TEAM HAVING ALL THE STARS IS GREAT FOR BASEBALL!!!!"
The financial situation is out of whack in baseball because you got owners who only keep payrolls of $40-50 million dollars. How do you expect your team to compete when the owners self impose a shoe string budget because they’re cheap? Salary cap won’t stop the vast majority owners being cheap, want owners to spend, install a salary floor.
Not all businesses make the same amount of money and it’s strictly based on their business decisions. Dodgers are just good at doing business and it shows!
Do I watch too much that I knew rose was about to do the sponsor for mova globes just by his inflection? 😂
The Dodgers have these things going for them
Obviously, the money
The brand (historic franchise)
The location/environment- weather, Hollywood
I think the issue about the competitive balance, while I agree w Plouffe's assessment of the Pirates specifically, these smaller market team HAVE to have lightning in a bottle. So many picks need to pan out, every signing they make pretty much has to work out. And this....just to have a chance at competing with teams with money to burn.
Los Angeles Rays (Snell, Glasnow) 😂
Just had Kiermaier too, but now he's retired.
Andrew Friedman.
wait till we sign Adames!
@@marceloloayza4273fuck no I dont want him
People also forget Evan Phillips was also a ray
First Happy Thanksgiving to all the great Baseball Fans out there that follow this great show and to Chris and Plouffe and to JBM. Not a Dodgers fan but I believe this can be good for baseball. Super teams come and go. Not the first time for baseball. The players will age and perhaps the contracts will handcuff the team. But the Dodgers have a big brand. So good for baseball. TY all.
The Juan Soto story is way better if he leaves the Yankees, agree with rose
Way too soon to give up on Bobby Miller.
He's gotta adjust his BRAIN - the pitches are good.
Its definitely an enigma, but theres gotta be something huge thats wrong. -2 war is one of the worst in baseball
@@dannydevito7755he has the tools it’s all mental with him
He needs time, but he needs to prove he can handle it.
I’ve never seen a player quite implode like that who wasn’t injured…or was he? Really don’t know it’s a total mystery with that guy but not counting on him going forward
Trevor said it, the dodgers are just one of the best when it comes to drafting, development, trades, and scouting. Tommy Edman and Kopech, any team could have gotten those guys.
And the Dodgers know you have to spend/invest money smartly as well.
you guys never sleep
I KNEW YOU GUYS WOULD COME THROUGH
The Braves and Rays have proven you don’t have to spend tons of $$$
OMG Trevor! Yes, there are wild turkeys 🦃 in the mountains around LA!!! From Sta Barbara to San Diego. Gobble gobble.
Happy Thanksgiving Boys!!
Everyone else: The Dodgers finally won a legit WS since 1988.
Dodgers: Okay…
Everyone else: The Dodgers buying championships.
Dodgers: Remind us again exactly how many championships we bought since 1988. And that’s a problem for you?
Dammit Janet! Make more stuffing!
Baseball needs super teams in major markets. Just like the Patriots in New England. Dodgers help viewership a ton!
Since you asked Roki 😂 5:06
Just because Dodgers got Snell doesn't mean they're not going after Sasaki lol. Sasaki will be on a minor league contract. Dodgers will go after him no matter what.
He seems to have a little bro mentality, so I think he'll stick with big bro Ohtani.
@@twig4590 Maybe who knows. But you don't come early and lose out on all that money to go to a team that's not good. You might as well wait and make big money in the process.
I would love for him to go the Dodgers, but he has to pick a team where they're good while he's there for the 6 years. Dodgers, Padres, any good team.
All other 29 billionaire owners can do what the Dodgers are doing too.
I think a lot of the immediate "this is bad for baseball" people are likely still reeling from the WS and then the first big free agent signs and of course its the dodgers and all those things kinda compound. Are they a super team? Sure. Is this good for baseball? It absolutely is, wether or not you think so is up to you. I would be open to having a salary floor/ceiling but until then I will continue to ask, why don't other teams do it? Every team is owned by a billionaire(s) that could easily spend loads of money on a whim. So why don't they?
Well said
you dont have a clue. its about revenue. The TV deals are totally out of balance
Because people overestimate what being a billionaire means when it comes to these major sports teams.
You think Steve Cohen wouldn't sign Blake Snell for More? The league is rigged
They have handicapped themselves by not creating a market for them @@GJLCreativeStudios