Dray the type of girl who would wear Cookie Monster pajama pants to school, eat hot Cheetos before 7am with her Green Tea Arizona, and scream at you from down the hallway. Her usage or AAVE is disgusting too
Dray's intention with her "reaction video" was to laugh at this woman. Plain and simple. Why would anyone want to be part of her "team" or the company that holds these values? She's a representation of the brand and this is how she presents herself. No legitimate business would need or allow this behavior.
Her intention was to fake laugh and make it all sound ridiculous because "how could these claims be legitimate if im laughing sooo much when talking about it?" Its behavior of manipulative, abusive people who have=r tendencies to gaslight people if they can. Pretending its ridiculous doesn't make it ridiculous. Its just dishonest and obvious BS.
She and her friends really started out as soon as the girl started talking with “talk your shit” and degrading her. Dray comes off as a ghetto grifter and that’s all there is to it.
Speaking as someone who has literally been fired from a job because of social media, yeah she would be getting pulled into the office THE NEXT DAY. Good thing she’s too good for a 9-5, no one will hire now except equal opportunity employers like food and retail 😂😂
She shows up so differently in this new video where she doesn't have her friends around and has to go on the defense for her actions. So clear how much of a power trip she was taking in video one!
Tell me you’re in a cult, without telling me you’re in a cult: compares employer to finding your faith in God and then tells people to isolate from any conflicting information.
I had the unfortunate experience of being seated at the table right next to Kymberlieigh whatever her name is at a restaurant and it was one of the worst meals ever because I was forced to listen to her talk about her TH-cam channel and how amazing she is for over an hour. The person she was eating with never said anything because she was so busy talking about herself lol She is insufferable.
I’d LOVE to see Dray tell me that a person’s industry can’t cause anxiety and or depression! How about she asks a soldier, police officer, fire man, paramedic, nurse, doctor, etc. Their industries can absolutely cause many mental issues!
Absolutely she did!! Her voice is softer and she has make up on and a stupid filter that is very obvious. This just shows you can dress anyone up, but it won't hide or even change their ugly attitude! She talks like a gutter snipe and cant talk without the word like. NO reputable company would hire her so she is going to hang on the the mlm scammers who tell her she is amazing and they love her!! She has all of her best friends on her team and they can be "the boss" to educate her downline and strangers on the internet! 🤣🤣🤣 I posted a message to put her money where her mouth is. Show us her seven figure income just selling products. Not what she depends on from her downline because ppl will come and go. I want to see all the money she has made just selling her shampoo talking like a gutter snipe. Let us all see what she has personally claimed on video. SHOW US YOUR GREATNESS BRO!!! She is on a stage with brainwashed huns. She is not giving a Ted Talk or a education lecture to a diverse audience. Hahahaha those clapping sounds are just noise. I guarantee she won't answer truthfully or produce the statements. She may even come back with " It's none of our business" but she brought it up!! She made the claims!! I can show her mine. I dont worry about what my coworkers are doing because my salary will always be there.
I've seen tons of people blame depression on certain jobs (nurses, teachers, lawyers, etc). Some jobs are very demanding and don't always make up for it in compensation. It is totally valid for someone blame the industry for that, if the managers aren't setting their employees up for success and fulfillment. So of course this should also be fine for former MLM reps to call out.
Yes and she also wasn't fully blaming the MLM. It was part of her story. No one can say a profession can't be part of what lead to someone's depression. Of course it could.
“Have you ever seen real estate agents blame real estate for their depression?” Yes, see the 2008 housing crisis! I saw multiple agents see their incomes drop by 70-80%, and folks spiraled HARD.
I recently had to leave my job due to a depressive episode. I received all my remaining pay and a payout with all the PTO I hadn’t used, and I’m eligible for rehire if I decide to go back. Had I been in an MLM, I would be guilted into doubling down while losing money. The way they prey on mental illness is nasty.
Same here. A year ago I had to leave a remote job where the pay and benefits were amazing. It was just not worth the anxiety it gave me. And their down line is having their mental health bashed with no pay or benefits. It’s disgusting and it pisses me off they call themselves “leaders”.
I legit don’t understand how she sells shampoo with her hair either in a greasy bun or down and looking super thin and unstyled. Oh wait- it’s because she sells recruiting scams, not shampoo (And before anyone goes for me for going for her hair- my hair isn’t styled, it’s back in a ponytail from me mowing the lawn, but I’m also not a representative for a hair care company)
yup. i have never seen a Monat rep whose hair i was envious of (quite literally the opposite), which is odd considering they sell hair care products. they should be doing everything they could to make people want to buy the products.
I’m wondering if they don’t see how bad their hair is getting? If I were to have to no decency, then to scam people I wouldn’t use Monat on my own hair, I’d just recruit and pretend that I’m using it. 😁
It would be pointless to have a debate with her anyway because she would just constantly talk over you, shout until you stop talking, and use ad hominem attacks rather than legitimate points or responses to your points. She has never learned how to actively listen and have an actual discussion or debate. Rather, she just waits (though not very well since she prefers to progressively yell loudly over the other person) until it's her turn to talk. Also, the huns love to say how anti-mlmers are "bashing" them or are "haters". How come they never show examples of the bashing and the hate? They love to twist the narrative.
Yeah, that “anti-MLMers are haters” thing is really weak. Every accusation is a confession, huns. And if the criticisms are so wrong and you’re so unbothered, why all this flexing? Shouldn’t you be using this time to WORK YOUR BUSINESS?
Did you catch when she said: 'maybe when I am a millionaire'? Ma'am, weren't you part of a multi million dollar team? As in more than one million dollars? It is ALL bullcrap. If you want to be a bully, own up to the fact that you suck as a person. Leah Remini said it best: If your company is so great, it should be open to scrutiny and discussion.
When Dray says something that is a lie or that she doesn't genuinely believe, she will play with her hair or scratch herself. Her body language screams she doesn't believe half the things she says herself. BTW your Instagram is fire
I love the "she could make so much more money if she invested energy in monat" comment when their 2020 income disclosure says that 92% of people make an average of $161 a year....but go off
im super late in getting into this whole thing and your channel, but I am genuinely baffled that that girl is defending mlms. like, I honestly thought everybody knew mlms were scams and awful and that people in them just said that they're not an mlm or didn't know. fr, I am actually shocked at the fact that shes defending them because I genuinely didn't know people like that existed. its insane
Every top leader who has come out as Anti MLM after leaving talks about bonus buying or purchasing your ranks. Every. Single. One. It happens in every company
Ugh. I cannot get passed the fact that this lady thinks the one sharing her story about her experience dropped $5000 at one time. That’s never how it works!
It's so dumb how she says you can't blame mlm for being depressed but THEY blame their depression and how bad they where on their 9-5 job they had before. 🤔
I absolutely LOVE how they say 9-5 jobs are so awful and stressful and lack flexibility. Then they go on leadership calls talking about how they are hustling 12+ hours a day, not showering for a month, not taking vacations, going live at 10pm on a Friday. I don’t have to do any of that for my REAL JOB 😂
These Huns love to preach about “positivity” and remove “toxic” people from your life…. but they talk so condescending towards their down line. How can one want to pursue this as a career when your upline tells you “you’re not working hard enough?” That’s not leadership and is a huge red flag.
"Why am I going to feed my mind with bullshit if I know what I want?" If you have true faith or confidence in something, you should be able to listen to opposing viewpoints, acknowledge them, and refute them calmly. The fact that she has the audacity to call other people uneducated on topics while holding this viewpoint is beyond me.
Agreed. Also educated people usually don’t argue their points like this. She’s basically saying anyone who disagrees with her is stupid. People educated on a topic fight with facts and they don’t say go do your research 🧐
We all know why. She is not educated. She can't finish a sentence without the word " like" 5 times and she is just spewing out what she was told. She wouldn't be able to work in a reputable job so she paid money to join a mlm so they will keep telling her how wonderful she is!! 🤣🙄
I find it hilarious that they hate on Corporate jobs when they literally ‘work’ for an MLMs like BeachBody and Monat that are corporations. 😂😂😂😂 you literally work in the dreaded ‘corporate America’ to Hun. I work a corporate job in Australia too, difference is I get a guaranteed paycheque whereas you don’t have that luxury.
I feel like compliance only contacts people that they choose. I am currently a market partner with Monat. In the process of leaving the company, I just personally like the products I don’t sell and I don’t promote it. When I first joined I was trying to sell and I had posted a photo on my Facebook group page in regards to income. Literally three months later I received a compliant email from Monat stating that if I did not remove the post and respond back to the email within X amount of days I was going to receive consequences. Keep in mind I have not made a single dime while working with this MLM. It baffles me the amount of incompliant posts, Instagram stories, Facebook posts, comments, and the list goes on and on of these girls literally lying to the general public. And I highly doubt they’ve received compliance emails or phone calls. That situation plus another situation that a friend of mine had in the MLM and yours and Chelsea Suarez’s content is the reason why I will never sell with an MLM ever again.
Hey, respect for seeing the way out and taking it. There's no shame in liking the products. As long as you're not scamming people into joining out of greed, which it sounds like you definitely aren't, enjoy the products. I dislike the company because of all of the predatory crap, but if you havent found a similar product that you like that's not as expensive, i hope at one point you do, but you've got my respect for not doing it all for the wrong reasons and simply using what you like.
People have spent over $100k on rank buying… there are videos where ex mlm people admit to doing it I was trained to offer insensitive and free products to get people to buy products, to get more volume on different legs. I have been asked to buy products at the end of the month by friends to help them. I didn’t need products. It was a different company… but there’s always a way to get around the rules to hit bonuses She is SO deep in that she isn’t seeing what she is doing as wrong
She’s basically saying “you criticized me, so now I’m the victim.” She’s trying to get our sympathy, and she’s refusing to take responsibility for the harm that she and her mlm are causing.
You don’t hear real estate agents blaming the industry for their depression because the real estate industry doesn’t inject itself into their mental health, personal development, mindset, etc. in the way that MLMs do. Real estate and regular jobs do not have as part of the industry to attempt to make direct changes to your mindset and way of thinking about every single aspect of your life. MLMs do that. So yeah, they absolutely can be the cause of depression or anxiety because they are creating that harmful dynamic and putting hands into every corner of your life, which is not normal in other industries.
Fantastic explanation and analysis of the difference!! So very true. My husband is in high tech sales and never once has he had to do crazy personal development. He researches the problems of his customers and provides a technical solution. He doesn’t need to believe in “the secret” philosophy to be successful. Lol.
If these people actually did a profit/loss report like a normal business, they’d probably realize that they’re losing money. They talk down on people who work corporate jobs, but I hardly pay anything for health insurance, I get a 401K match, I get a base salary and bonuses. And I don’t have to sell anything or recruit people. I also get to travel…
I have a cousin in monet and she says rank buying happens all the time , I've actually been with her on a team call and it happens , been trying to get her to get ahold of you or CC but she is afraid , I trying to get her out but she is scared , worse then the cult. They set up fake customers with credit cards you buy in line at Walmart or the gas station. My cousin has like 10 of the and 4 of which her upline sent to order product all throughout the month and most use their neighbors address and that my dear is how its done......I hope this makes sense.
Omg I am so sorry. If you want you can absolutely tell her to email me at isabellamichellelanter@gmail.com or dm me on insta. Have her mention this comment or something specific to this story and I would absolutely love to help in any way I can!
I literally quit my great paying job due to the anxiety that it gave me. It was a choice of going on anxiety meds or quitting what gave me stress and anxiety. I was blessed enough to be able to quit but it’s a prime example.
This is a perfect example of I can punch you, but you can't punch me. The face isn't blurred and it's a lawsuit. I guarantee Isabella wouldn't handle it the same way
Most industries don’t tell you to cram your work into every spare moment though? One of their common recruitment tactics is to shame people by saying, “How much time do you spend on Instagram, you could be working this business instead!” I 100% buy that the whole grind every moment/always do self development attitude could negatively affect mental health. People need downtime.
Will the real slim shady please stand up ⬆️ girl you spit fire and mopped the floor with her. Love it!! New subscriber here 👋🏽 Went to check out this pathetic human and girl she’s so proud of herself saying she “cause a some problems in anti MLM community” I cannot with her delusion 🙄
Dray is the prime example of being all bark but no bite. The irony of her saying "she could make so much more money if she invested energy in monat" meanwhile she just posted a story MANIFESTING $5K, $10K, $20K bonus checks 😂 Which leads me to believe she's not as poppin as she wants everyone else to perceive her to be 🥴😭
The difference between yelling and laughing at someone is this: the first one hurts instantly, the second holds on the punch. A joke hides hatred ( ie the misogynistic jokes per example) and keep it in the cliff notes.
7:26 actually, there are a lot of people whose mental illnesses were caused by their industry, even outside of MLMs. Creative industries, for example, are historically plagued with bad mental health. Acting, drawing, singing, playing an instrument… most people can name at least one person in all of these categories who had a mental illness caused or exacerbated by the industry (Judy Garland, Van Gogh, Whitney Houston, Tchaikovsky, to name one person for each category that I can think of off the top of my head). I’m a creative myself (illustrator) so I know the pressure to create and create and create even on days when you feel bad, even on days when you have nothing to give. Once you’ve been wrung dry, you have to squeeze out just a little more. And then a little more. We make sacrifices for our art, yes, and many of us do it for less than minimum wage. But at least (most) of us don’t have some inexperienced 20-odd lady yelling at us over a zoom call.
Anything or anyone can cause depression on someone else. Your job, your family, you finances…anything. Her argument was bad and she is invalidating the other girl’s feelings.
At 16:45 she said (in response to "buying rank claims) that (I'm paraphrasing here) "you would know, if you did your research - which is hard to do if you aren't a market partner, if you're not in the busines..." So, she slams people for not doing their research but yet she says the information you need to make an informed decision is not easy to come by until you are in "the business." Nothing wrong with that, move along, nothing to see here.
RESPECTTTTTT. girl. How you expressed the wrongs in this situation and your thoughts/yourself…was so inspiring. Thankyou for being you!!! The real God loves you sooooo much and I do too 😍 I’m hooked on your videos. Blessings!!!!!!
She's that girl that would pull your hair in school or steal your backpack then report you to the principle when you squared up with her about it. And her attitude is definitely different without the cackling hyenas behind her. Girl, Bye. You've got the maturity of a fifteen year old, and you aren't going to have a genuine position of authority and leadership until you grow up.
In Seint Beauty my uplines would pay pal my downline to buy product on the last day of the month because it would help them rank too.. and yes I have voice messages still from uplines telling me they are going to do this... loop holes people...it's sad but it happens more often than people think... again spreading the truth is sooooo important.. way to much manipulation and favoritism
I’m sorry I had to add one more comment… this Monat rep has TERRIBLE broken unhealthy looking hair. All those short broken pieces. Guess the Monat doesn’t work as well as they say 😳 yikes.
Dray acts like everyone has only one debit or credit card. I have 5 of my own, the cash app card, my bank card, the PayPal card which are all linked to one bank account of mine, then I have two credit cards which I had my mom added on to build her credit. So if you count those, I technically have 7 credit and debit cards at my disposal. It’s would be so easy to buy a bunch of product to hit my rank while distributing the purchases across those 5-7 cards.
Right? There are even services that create temporary card numbers for the credit cards you already have. It’s pitched as a security precaution (so if there’s a data breach, your actual card number isn’t stolen), but that could easily be used to mask multiple purchases on the same card.
By that and the other video of her and her friends. You can tell they don't actually have a lot of life experience. I've seen that with some other top huns. I wouldn't judge someone on that alone but they're also trying, do hard, to come off so worldly and wise. Like, they know so much more than anyone watching. It's sad in a way.
Exactly. I have two and also access to about 10 more thanks to family having them and allowing me access to them if I stated I needed them. These people don't live in the real world.
Can the fact that people say BRO STOP !! No top leader of an actual reputable company would speak like that !! I don’t care how interesting a person made an opportunity sound scam or no scam I would NEVER have respect for a person that called people BRO! DRAY honey it’s not a good look for you or anyone. Just because the scam is working for you doesn’t make it not a SCAM!! A persons ethics are questionable when they encourage people to go into debt or spend their last penny to join an opportunity you know won’t work for them !! It can’t work for everyone the business model makes it impossible!! I hope that she remembers every single time a deposit goes in her account those funds were earned off others failures. If you are okay with that then you go BRO!
Nah, Dray just felt big because she had her cronies with her. She got called out on her disgusting behavior and is trying to backtrack. No defending that behavior. Do better.
On behalf of Ontarians, I apologize for Dray and WFABB- they are the worst representations of who we are generally (or at least I like to think so). This was once again a well thought out argument against the industry, and an indictment of bad behaviour. The huns have yet to learn about logical fallacies and how to present their position (spoiler: they have a terrible one) without trying attack others personally. Truth is an absolute defence...something Dray will need to learn if she's going to sue you under the 'Law of Defamation'.🤣
Their attitudes always change! There was a girl featured on CC Suarez's channel who dropped a ton of f-bombs on an Insta live, but the moment she found out she had been featured to the public, her response video was a 180- with impeccable language and calm mannerisms.
Were they all asleep in the vid when Dray, friends and “bosslee” were making fun of that woman. Even admitting, while laughing, that you should stop making fun of her. Come on, can dish but can’t take.
The basis for every argument an MLM hun has to defend their scam is misconstruing information and not even addressing points presented. It’s so embarrassing.
Bro she is mad she can’t do what you do. She tried to react with integrity and valid points, and everyone noticed how she failed to do it, now she’s mad. I’m dead 💀
Ohhhhh this is why when I was with Monet, one time my uplines upline msged me asking me to buy something and then she send the money online hahah..been trying to figure out why she did that …knew there’s something fishy in there I do agree that’s there’s no real criticism from them though
She wants MLMers to stay in their echo chamber because if they venture out to get an actual education on the subject, they might recognize the dangers and leave.
There is a case where a man died from a heart attack due to the stress his boss caused him at his job and died…. But go on how the mlm isn’t responsible for depression…. Bumbaclot Waste man lmao 🤣 I’m embarrassed she’s from Toronto
At the job I was at before I was having literal panic attacks. My hands would shake from nerves because of how terrible the boss was. She screamed at me from across the room once. It didnt cause me to have a heart attack, but my nerves were at their wits end. I showed up one morning with anxiety so bad that I just walked out. I never do that. I always work my two weeks notice. I called her and said that I couldn't do it anymore. Moral of the story......yes you can suffer mentally from your job.
@@mariearteaga3056 wow I’m so sorry that happened to you. I’m glad you walked out! And further proves that your environment can directly link to anxiety, depression and much more
I can say with 100% certainty that poor mental health and depression can be a result of your career and the industry. I'm in social work, specifically working with kids in foster care. Sometimes it's impossible to not take that home with you. I'm embarrassed for people like Dray who spews things out so ignorantly.
I just started watching that documentary. Also, mlms like Amway tell their "business owners" they need 100 pv of personal purchase monthly, and shame them when they buy non Amway products. 100 pv is anywhere between $300 and $400 per month. You can buy the equivalent type products at Target for $125 or less.
Whenever someone says they 'retired' someone else, I get the feeling they mean they murdered them like... Choose a different word honey or sentence structure
I don't know why she's acting as though she's the victim. It's not like she laughed at someone else's pain, right? Actually, she did. It's not like she invalidated someone else's negative experience with MLMs, right? Actually, she did that too. It's not like she downplayed the fact that loopholes exist to get around so-called compliance, right? No, no she did that too. It's not like she called someone else an MF in another language while laughing at them, right? No, I heard her correctly. It's not like she hasn't been promoting the same crappy way to rank up in any MLM? I wouldn't be surprised. She decided to play a stupid game, so she shouldn't run from the prize she won.
Yes Dray come and have a conversation and defend the MLM’s with Isabelle-let’s have a sensible live and see how it goes. Would you be willing to talk to the anti-MLMers? Bring your people as well-it will be clear who is helping who.
Isabella, idk what it is about you, but your voice is really pleasant and your energy and vibe is really nice too, like a Disney princess. So every time you say things like 'Get fucked' it makes me laugh 😂
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If you're selling haircare and skincare, turn your filter off.
Agree! I keep thinking that her skin looked filter-smooth. 🙄.
She always used filters. Even when we had zoom meetings. Never saw how she really looked
Filters her face, not her words: this is why the word superficial exists.
Dray the type of girl who would wear Cookie Monster pajama pants to school, eat hot Cheetos before 7am with her Green Tea Arizona, and scream at you from down the hallway. Her usage or AAVE is disgusting too
Sssttoooppp lmaoo the flash backs 😂 that was a good portion of my high school 😭
@@eli-se4zb they used to try and hug you with them red ass fingers 🥴
has her hair in the sloppiest messy bun
...and an oversized white t shirt.
How did we go to school with the same girl??
@@MissBeatrixKiddo and either super dirty AF1 or beat up UGGs with the bows on the back
“It’S nOt A rEpReSeNtAtIoN oF NetWoRk MaRkEtInG”
Literally yes. Yes it is
“No my company isn’t an MLM, it’s…”
*Proceeds to literally describe an MLM 😂
Dray's intention with her "reaction video" was to laugh at this woman. Plain and simple.
Why would anyone want to be part of her "team" or the company that holds these values? She's a representation of the brand and this is how she presents herself. No legitimate business would need or allow this behavior.
It was a warning I feel like...speak out about mlms and I'll bully you in a video
Her intention was to fake laugh and make it all sound ridiculous because "how could these claims be legitimate if im laughing sooo much when talking about it?" Its behavior of manipulative, abusive people who have=r tendencies to gaslight people if they can. Pretending its ridiculous doesn't make it ridiculous. Its just dishonest and obvious BS.
Which is why she wasn't "successful" in regular job. I doubt she makes much in Monat either.
She and her friends really started out as soon as the girl started talking with “talk your shit” and degrading her. Dray comes off as a ghetto grifter and that’s all there is to it.
Speaking as someone who has literally been fired from a job because of social media, yeah she would be getting pulled into the office THE NEXT DAY. Good thing she’s too good for a 9-5, no one will hire now except equal opportunity employers like food and retail 😂😂
She shows up so differently in this new video where she doesn't have her friends around and has to go on the defense for her actions. So clear how much of a power trip she was taking in video one!
When you explained why you don’t blur them anymore, YES GIRL 🙏 Call them out, tell them and show the facts. Love you Isabella ❤️
Yes!!! I love that you don't blur their faces. They deserve to be held accountable for such extreme antisocial behavior.
Tell me you’re in a cult, without telling me you’re in a cult: compares employer to finding your faith in God and then tells people to isolate from any conflicting information.
I had the unfortunate experience of being seated at the table right next to Kymberlieigh whatever her name is at a restaurant and it was one of the worst meals ever because I was forced to listen to her talk about her TH-cam channel and how amazing she is for over an hour. The person she was eating with never said anything because she was so busy talking about herself lol She is insufferable.
I’d LOVE to see Dray tell me that a person’s industry can’t cause anxiety and or depression! How about she asks a soldier, police officer, fire man, paramedic, nurse, doctor, etc. Their industries can absolutely cause many mental issues!
Yes
U know I noticed something. Her voice changed. It’s sweeter in this video as if she is trying to sound more innocent
Absolutely she did!! Her voice is softer and she has make up on and a stupid filter that is very obvious. This just shows you can dress anyone up, but it won't hide or even change their ugly attitude! She talks like a gutter snipe and cant talk without the word like. NO reputable company would hire her so she is going to hang on the the mlm scammers who tell her she is amazing and they love her!! She has all of her best friends on her team and they can be "the boss" to educate her downline and strangers on the internet! 🤣🤣🤣
I posted a message to put her money where her mouth is. Show us her seven figure income just selling products. Not what she depends on from her downline because ppl will come and go. I want to see all the money she has made just selling her shampoo talking like a gutter snipe. Let us all see what she has personally claimed on video. SHOW US YOUR GREATNESS BRO!!!
She is on a stage with brainwashed huns. She is not giving a Ted Talk or a education lecture to a diverse audience. Hahahaha those clapping sounds are just noise. I guarantee she won't answer truthfully or produce the statements. She may even come back with " It's none of our business" but she brought it up!! She made the claims!! I can show her mine. I dont worry about what my coworkers are doing because my salary will always be there.
Narcissistic manipulator
I've seen tons of people blame depression on certain jobs (nurses, teachers, lawyers, etc). Some jobs are very demanding and don't always make up for it in compensation. It is totally valid for someone blame the industry for that, if the managers aren't setting their employees up for success and fulfillment. So of course this should also be fine for former MLM reps to call out.
Yes and she also wasn't fully blaming the MLM. It was part of her story. No one can say a profession can't be part of what lead to someone's depression. Of course it could.
“Have you ever seen real estate agents blame real estate for their depression?” Yes, see the 2008 housing crisis! I saw multiple agents see their incomes drop by 70-80%, and folks spiraled HARD.
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Crazy how much calmer she was when her home girls were not around to interrupt her this time. Isabella, you went hard. 🎤⬇️😂
Say "no offense" is not a magic wand to then proceed to be offensive, mock, and victim blame
dray “it’s cool have your opinion. i don’t need to defend myself” *makes whole instagram lives defending herself and monat*
This.👏👏👏
I recently had to leave my job due to a depressive episode. I received all my remaining pay and a payout with all the PTO I hadn’t used, and I’m eligible for rehire if I decide to go back. Had I been in an MLM, I would be guilted into doubling down while losing money. The way they prey on mental illness is nasty.
Same here. A year ago I had to leave a remote job where the pay and benefits were amazing. It was just not worth the anxiety it gave me. And their down line is having their mental health bashed with no pay or benefits. It’s disgusting and it pisses me off they call themselves “leaders”.
I legit don’t understand how she sells shampoo with her hair either in a greasy bun or down and looking super thin and unstyled.
Oh wait- it’s because she sells recruiting scams, not shampoo
(And before anyone goes for me for going for her hair- my hair isn’t styled, it’s back in a ponytail from me mowing the lawn, but I’m also not a representative for a hair care company)
yup. i have never seen a Monat rep whose hair i was envious of (quite literally the opposite), which is odd considering they sell hair care products. they should be doing everything they could to make people want to buy the products.
I’m wondering if they don’t see how bad their hair is getting? If I were to have to no decency, then to scam people I wouldn’t use Monat on my own hair, I’d just recruit and pretend that I’m using it. 😁
@@darksidelaegrinna Or a clip on pony- doubt she can afford extensions ,
It would be pointless to have a debate with her anyway because she would just constantly talk over you, shout until you stop talking, and use ad hominem attacks rather than legitimate points or responses to your points. She has never learned how to actively listen and have an actual discussion or debate. Rather, she just waits (though not very well since she prefers to progressively yell loudly over the other person) until it's her turn to talk.
Also, the huns love to say how anti-mlmers are "bashing" them or are "haters". How come they never show examples of the bashing and the hate? They love to twist the narrative.
Yeah, that “anti-MLMers are haters” thing is really weak. Every accusation is a confession, huns. And if the criticisms are so wrong and you’re so unbothered, why all this flexing? Shouldn’t you be using this time to WORK YOUR BUSINESS?
Did you catch when she said: 'maybe when I am a millionaire'? Ma'am, weren't you part of a multi million dollar team? As in more than one million dollars? It is ALL bullcrap. If you want to be a bully, own up to the fact that you suck as a person. Leah Remini said it best: If your company is so great, it should be open to scrutiny and discussion.
When Dray says something that is a lie or that she doesn't genuinely believe, she will play with her hair or scratch herself. Her body language screams she doesn't believe half the things she says herself.
BTW your Instagram is fire
You’re so right about her lying cues!
I love the "she could make so much more money if she invested energy in monat" comment when their 2020 income disclosure says that 92% of people make an average of $161 a year....but go off
I make more then that a year at my part time job
im super late in getting into this whole thing and your channel, but I am genuinely baffled that that girl is defending mlms. like, I honestly thought everybody knew mlms were scams and awful and that people in them just said that they're not an mlm or didn't know. fr, I am actually shocked at the fact that shes defending them because I genuinely didn't know people like that existed. its insane
I giggled when Draymus said “I don’t need to defend myself” when she had just been in fact defending herself for the last like 10 min lol
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Every top leader who has come out as Anti MLM after leaving talks about bonus buying or purchasing your ranks. Every. Single. One. It happens in every company
Oooh who??? Havent heard of this before!
Ugh. I cannot get passed the fact that this lady thinks the one sharing her story about her experience dropped $5000 at one time. That’s never how it works!
Right? She has to twist it to fit her narrative
It's so dumb how she says you can't blame mlm for being depressed but THEY blame their depression and how bad they where on their 9-5 job they had before. 🤔
I absolutely LOVE how they say 9-5 jobs are so awful and stressful and lack flexibility. Then they go on leadership calls talking about how they are hustling 12+ hours a day, not showering for a month, not taking vacations, going live at 10pm on a Friday. I don’t have to do any of that for my REAL JOB 😂
Imagine supporting a company so hard that you lose touch of reality and all sense of compassion for humans. Dray is wild to say the absolute least.
I love how you go all in, not scared to call out that bully.
These Huns love to preach about “positivity” and remove “toxic” people from your life…. but they talk so condescending towards their down line. How can one want to pursue this as a career when your upline tells you “you’re not working hard enough?” That’s not leadership and is a huge red flag.
"Why am I going to feed my mind with bullshit if I know what I want?"
If you have true faith or confidence in something, you should be able to listen to opposing viewpoints, acknowledge them, and refute them calmly. The fact that she has the audacity to call other people uneducated on topics while holding this viewpoint is beyond me.
Oops, I commented before finishing the video… you basically said this. 😅
Agreed. Also educated people usually don’t argue their points like this. She’s basically saying anyone who disagrees with her is stupid.
People educated on a topic fight with facts and they don’t say go do your research 🧐
We all know why. She is not educated. She can't finish a sentence without the word " like" 5 times and she is just spewing out what she was told. She wouldn't be able to work in a reputable job so she paid money to join a mlm so they will keep telling her how wonderful she is!! 🤣🙄
I find it hilarious that they hate on Corporate jobs when they literally ‘work’ for an MLMs like BeachBody and Monat that are corporations. 😂😂😂😂 you literally work in the dreaded ‘corporate America’ to Hun. I work a corporate job in Australia too, difference is I get a guaranteed paycheque whereas you don’t have that luxury.
I feel like compliance only contacts people that they choose. I am currently a market partner with Monat. In the process of leaving the company, I just personally like the products I don’t sell and I don’t promote it. When I first joined I was trying to sell and I had posted a photo on my Facebook group page in regards to income. Literally three months later I received a compliant email from Monat stating that if I did not remove the post and respond back to the email within X amount of days I was going to receive consequences. Keep in mind I have not made a single dime while working with this MLM. It baffles me the amount of incompliant posts, Instagram stories, Facebook posts, comments, and the list goes on and on of these girls literally lying to the general public. And I highly doubt they’ve received compliance emails or phone calls.
That situation plus another situation that a friend of mine had in the MLM and yours and Chelsea Suarez’s content is the reason why I will never sell with an MLM ever again.
Someone probably reported you.
Congrats on leaving though!
@@chikinkaka328 I think so too. I even said something to the rep on the phone & they completely ignored it.
Congrats on getting out sister! It was my one year out the past month ❤️
Hey, respect for seeing the way out and taking it. There's no shame in liking the products. As long as you're not scamming people into joining out of greed, which it sounds like you definitely aren't, enjoy the products. I dislike the company because of all of the predatory crap, but if you havent found a similar product that you like that's not as expensive, i hope at one point you do, but you've got my respect for not doing it all for the wrong reasons and simply using what you like.
People have spent over $100k on rank buying… there are videos where ex mlm people admit to doing it
I was trained to offer insensitive and free products to get people to buy products, to get more volume on different legs. I have been asked to buy products at the end of the month by friends to help them. I didn’t need products. It was a different company… but there’s always a way to get around the rules to hit bonuses
She is SO deep in that she isn’t seeing what she is doing as wrong
Those women were very immature and unprofessional while reacting to the ex Monat rep. Keep doing what you’re doing, Isabella! I am here for it!!
I can guarantee you Drey was a bully in school and blaming it on her victims...
She’s basically saying “you criticized me, so now I’m the victim.” She’s trying to get our sympathy, and she’s refusing to take responsibility for the harm that she and her mlm are causing.
You don’t hear real estate agents blaming the industry for their depression because the real estate industry doesn’t inject itself into their mental health, personal development, mindset, etc. in the way that MLMs do. Real estate and regular jobs do not have as part of the industry to attempt to make direct changes to your mindset and way of thinking about every single aspect of your life. MLMs do that. So yeah, they absolutely can be the cause of depression or anxiety because they are creating that harmful dynamic and putting hands into every corner of your life, which is not normal in other industries.
Fantastic explanation and analysis of the difference!! So very true. My husband is in high tech sales and never once has he had to do crazy personal development. He researches the problems of his customers and provides a technical solution. He doesn’t need to believe in “the secret” philosophy to be successful. Lol.
If these people actually did a profit/loss report like a normal business, they’d probably realize that they’re losing money. They talk down on people who work corporate jobs, but I hardly pay anything for health insurance, I get a 401K match, I get a base salary and bonuses. And I don’t have to sell anything or recruit people. I also get to travel…
I have a cousin in monet and she says rank buying happens all the time , I've actually been with her on a team call and it happens , been trying to get her to get ahold of you or CC but she is afraid , I trying to get her out but she is scared , worse then the cult. They set up fake customers with credit cards you buy in line at Walmart or the gas station. My cousin has like 10 of the and 4 of which her upline sent to order product all throughout the month and most use their neighbors address and that my dear is how its done......I hope this makes sense.
Omg I am so sorry. If you want you can absolutely tell her to email me at isabellamichellelanter@gmail.com or dm me on insta. Have her mention this comment or something specific to this story and I would absolutely love to help in any way I can!
I had to turn on the captions because I forgot my headphones at home and I'm at work... the captions said "anti-melon" 🤣🤣🤣
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Lol
@@darksidelaegrinna LOL!!!! 🤣
YOU'RE NOT TAKING MY WATERMELONS!
I literally quit my great paying job due to the anxiety that it gave me. It was a choice of going on anxiety meds or quitting what gave me stress and anxiety. I was blessed enough to be able to quit but it’s a prime example.
One time when I was in a mlm, I was told to sign up my husband and mom, so I could make purchases on their accounts to make rank.
You're a savage queen, Lanter, and I'm living for it. And I'm behind you challenging these narcissistic women.
It cost 5k to get in to Luluroe in the beginning…..so I’m going with yeah!
This is a perfect example of I can punch you, but you can't punch me. The face isn't blurred and it's a lawsuit. I guarantee Isabella wouldn't handle it the same way
I love this. So much!! Dray cannot defend herself to save her life. I love that you are calling her out and no censoring!! ♥️♥️
Most industries don’t tell you to cram your work into every spare moment though? One of their common recruitment tactics is to shame people by saying, “How much time do you spend on Instagram, you could be working this business instead!” I 100% buy that the whole grind every moment/always do self development attitude could negatively affect mental health. People need downtime.
Will the real slim shady please stand up ⬆️ girl you spit fire and mopped the floor with her. Love it!! New subscriber here 👋🏽
Went to check out this pathetic human and girl she’s so proud of herself saying she “cause a some problems in anti MLM community” I cannot with her delusion 🙄
Dray is the prime example of being all bark but no bite. The irony of her saying "she could make so much more money if she invested energy in monat" meanwhile she just posted a story MANIFESTING $5K, $10K, $20K bonus checks 😂 Which leads me to believe she's not as poppin as she wants everyone else to perceive her to be 🥴😭
The fact that she compares her MLM to believing in God. RED FLAG: it is a cult. smh
This is why I love your channel! You are not afraid to be straight up and honest about everything and everyone. And not holding anything back ❤
The difference between yelling and laughing at someone is this: the first one hurts instantly, the second holds on the punch.
A joke hides hatred ( ie the misogynistic jokes per example) and keep it in the cliff notes.
One word for this whole video, AMEN! Clearly this girl needs someone to put her in her place
7:26 actually, there are a lot of people whose mental illnesses were caused by their industry, even outside of MLMs. Creative industries, for example, are historically plagued with bad mental health. Acting, drawing, singing, playing an instrument… most people can name at least one person in all of these categories who had a mental illness caused or exacerbated by the industry (Judy Garland, Van Gogh, Whitney Houston, Tchaikovsky, to name one person for each category that I can think of off the top of my head). I’m a creative myself (illustrator) so I know the pressure to create and create and create even on days when you feel bad, even on days when you have nothing to give. Once you’ve been wrung dry, you have to squeeze out just a little more. And then a little more. We make sacrifices for our art, yes, and many of us do it for less than minimum wage. But at least (most) of us don’t have some inexperienced 20-odd lady yelling at us over a zoom call.
Anything or anyone can cause depression on someone else. Your job, your family, you finances…anything. Her argument was bad and she is invalidating the other girl’s feelings.
The tea is piping hot and these words are so 🔥 that I’m roasting marshmallows.
At 16:45 she said (in response to "buying rank claims) that (I'm paraphrasing here) "you would know, if you did your research - which is hard to do if you aren't a market partner, if you're not in the busines..." So, she slams people for not doing their research but yet she says the information you need to make an informed decision is not easy to come by until you are in "the business." Nothing wrong with that, move along, nothing to see here.
RESPECTTTTTT. girl. How you expressed the wrongs in this situation and your thoughts/yourself…was so inspiring. Thankyou for being you!!!
The real God loves you sooooo much and I do too 😍 I’m hooked on your videos. Blessings!!!!!!
She's that girl that would pull your hair in school or steal your backpack then report you to the principle when you squared up with her about it. And her attitude is definitely different without the cackling hyenas behind her. Girl, Bye. You've got the maturity of a fifteen year old, and you aren't going to have a genuine position of authority and leadership until you grow up.
In Seint Beauty my uplines would pay pal my downline to buy product on the last day of the month because it would help them rank too.. and yes I have voice messages still from uplines telling me they are going to do this... loop holes people...it's sad but it happens more often than people think... again spreading the truth is sooooo important.. way to much manipulation and favoritism
I can’t get over that fool saying bomboclat…. girl
Cringy af
Right! Where is she trying to sound like she's from my country? She sounds dumb af
@@SmallsTrini she’s vile. her whole brand is cultural appropriation and minstrelsy. 🤢
I’m sorry I had to add one more comment… this Monat rep has TERRIBLE broken unhealthy looking hair. All those short broken pieces. Guess the Monat doesn’t work as well as they say 😳 yikes.
I saw a SED posted someone’s hair she did (she is a hair dresser) and her hair was broken and looked awful. I felt bad. All their hair looks shitty.
Thank god you said something about her everyone on her Instagram basically agrees what she be saying I am honestly disappointed in humanity
Dray acts like everyone has only one debit or credit card. I have 5 of my own, the cash app card, my bank card, the PayPal card which are all linked to one bank account of mine, then I have two credit cards which I had my mom added on to build her credit. So if you count those, I technically have 7 credit and debit cards at my disposal. It’s would be so easy to buy a bunch of product to hit my rank while distributing the purchases across those 5-7 cards.
Right? There are even services that create temporary card numbers for the credit cards you already have. It’s pitched as a security precaution (so if there’s a data breach, your actual card number isn’t stolen), but that could easily be used to mask multiple purchases on the same card.
By that and the other video of her and her friends. You can tell they don't actually have a lot of life experience. I've seen that with some other top huns. I wouldn't judge someone on that alone but they're also trying, do hard, to come off so worldly and wise. Like, they know so much more than anyone watching. It's sad in a way.
@@ReturnToSenderz That and prepaid Visa cards etc.
Exactly. I have two and also access to about 10 more thanks to family having them and allowing me access to them if I stated I needed them. These people don't live in the real world.
The fact that she just said "unethical" kinda tells me she watches more AntiMLM than she will admit 😆
Pop off sis, i love this righteous sass
Girl at 34:54 you can tell she has a filter but she is super real and honest
Can the fact that people say BRO STOP !! No top leader of an actual reputable company would speak like that !! I don’t care how interesting a person made an opportunity sound scam or no scam I would NEVER have respect for a person that called people BRO! DRAY honey it’s not a good look for you or anyone. Just because the scam is working for you doesn’t make it not a SCAM!! A persons ethics are questionable when they encourage people to go into debt or spend their last penny to join an opportunity you know won’t work for them !! It can’t work for everyone the business model makes it impossible!! I hope that she remembers every single time a deposit goes in her account those funds were earned off others failures. If you are okay with that then you go BRO!
Apparently the analogy between mlm and religion is spot on. Both use same tactics and both fall apart when confronted with facts.
Listening to Draymus really hurt my brain. Maybe she should watch back her lives so she can critique then herself. 🙄
Whooooo these are fighting words! 🔥 go Isabella!
I'm learning so much new swear words today 😍
And I kinda dig raging Isabella 😍
Nah, Dray just felt big because she had her cronies with her. She got called out on her disgusting behavior and is trying to backtrack. No defending that behavior. Do better.
On behalf of Ontarians, I apologize for Dray and WFABB- they are the worst representations of who we are generally (or at least I like to think so). This was once again a well thought out argument against the industry, and an indictment of bad behaviour. The huns have yet to learn about logical fallacies and how to present their position (spoiler: they have a terrible one) without trying attack others personally. Truth is an absolute defence...something Dray will need to learn if she's going to sue you under the 'Law of Defamation'.🤣
Why do I feel like dray is trying to be more humble and make herself small in this video to show how ‘predatory’ anti MLM content creators are.
Their attitudes always change! There was a girl featured on CC Suarez's channel who dropped a ton of f-bombs on an Insta live, but the moment she found out she had been featured to the public, her response video was a 180- with impeccable language and calm mannerisms.
Were they all asleep in the vid when Dray, friends and “bosslee” were making fun of that woman. Even admitting, while laughing, that you should stop making fun of her. Come on, can dish but can’t take.
You said what you said, meant it the way you said it, and standing by it! Preach on it!
The basis for every argument an MLM hun has to defend their scam is misconstruing information and not even addressing points presented. It’s so embarrassing.
Bro she is mad she can’t do what you do. She tried to react with integrity and valid points, and everyone noticed how she failed to do it, now she’s mad. I’m dead 💀
you’re calling it like it is! YES ISABELLA, keep it up girl ❤️
Ohhhhh this is why when I was with Monet, one time my uplines upline msged me asking me to buy something and then she send the money online hahah..been trying to figure out why she did that …knew there’s something fishy in there I do agree that’s there’s no real criticism from them though
She wants MLMers to stay in their echo chamber because if they venture out to get an actual education on the subject, they might recognize the dangers and leave.
Thank you for being open & vulnerable ♥️🙏🏼 I love you, Isabella!!!
There is a case where a man died from a heart attack due to the stress his boss caused him at his job and died…. But go on how the mlm isn’t responsible for depression…. Bumbaclot Waste man lmao 🤣 I’m embarrassed she’s from Toronto
At the job I was at before I was having literal panic attacks. My hands would shake from nerves because of how terrible the boss was. She screamed at me from across the room once. It didnt cause me to have a heart attack, but my nerves were at their wits end. I showed up one morning with anxiety so bad that I just walked out. I never do that. I always work my two weeks notice. I called her and said that I couldn't do it anymore. Moral of the story......yes you can suffer mentally from your job.
@@mariearteaga3056 wow I’m so sorry that happened to you. I’m glad you walked out! And further proves that your environment can directly link to anxiety, depression and much more
The comparison between faith and "believing in the business model of an MLM" Is laughable. There is no correlation at all.
Woah this was feisty! Someone go get Dray some aloe 🔥😅
I can say with 100% certainty that poor mental health and depression can be a result of your career and the industry. I'm in social work, specifically working with kids in foster care. Sometimes it's impossible to not take that home with you. I'm embarrassed for people like Dray who spews things out so ignorantly.
She clearly did not watch the LuluRoe documentary. I know three friends who had to put 5k down to start!!! So frustrating that she is so naive
I just started watching that documentary. Also, mlms like Amway tell their "business owners" they need 100 pv of personal purchase monthly, and shame them when they buy non Amway products. 100 pv is anywhere between $300 and $400 per month. You can buy the equivalent type products at Target for $125 or less.
I got you have me laughing out loud I love the sass sis. I love how you call her out with facts. You are pure gold babe
The gift that keeps on giving..
Whenever someone says they 'retired' someone else, I get the feeling they mean they murdered them like... Choose a different word honey or sentence structure
Can anyone reading this comment explain to me why I am so obsessed with these anti MLM videos? I can’t stop watching them lol
To me the psychology and cult like behavior is interesting. Plus, the added drama is entertaining.
I like them because I know these girls lol
Lmao I can’t believe this shit was real. And she tried to attack my boo. You were amazing at that time 💜
As always another absolutely wonderful video, however I do have one request 🤷🏼♀️I NEED MORE OF THW DOGGO!!!! ❤️
I don't know why she's acting as though she's the victim. It's not like she laughed at someone else's pain, right? Actually, she did. It's not like she invalidated someone else's negative experience with MLMs, right? Actually, she did that too. It's not like she downplayed the fact that loopholes exist to get around so-called compliance, right? No, no she did that too. It's not like she called someone else an MF in another language while laughing at them, right? No, I heard her correctly. It's not like she hasn't been promoting the same crappy way to rank up in any MLM? I wouldn't be surprised. She decided to play a stupid game, so she shouldn't run from the prize she won.
Draymus definitely bashed the woman she was reacting to. How can you just blatantly lie when you also posted the receipts? Lmao
I love it that you didn’t hold back much
Yes Dray come and have a conversation and defend the MLM’s with Isabelle-let’s have a sensible live and see how it goes. Would you be willing to talk to the anti-MLMers? Bring your people as well-it will be clear who is helping who.
This video is everything.
straight fire.
Ohhh loving the new background. I feel it really shows your personality. 💞
Isabella, idk what it is about you, but your voice is really pleasant and your energy and vibe is really nice too, like a Disney princess. So every time you say things like 'Get fucked' it makes me laugh 😂
Yes, that's exactly the vibe! I couldn't place it XD