i think she needs to stay in Golb..... at least for a bit. because if Golb can learn human emotions from her it might be better then if she leaves too early......and they[?] become too violent. i want betty back with Simon too, but Golb is a much BIGGER threat now. remember they JUST KILLED the og lich [the lich THAT WON]. and not even going into what happened when Golb was a baby with the war....... that look when they fused with betty says it all...... the pure malice they gave off was enough to threaten EVEN US watchers..... if betty leaves too soon....it wont JUST be Finn and Simon suffering..... EVERYONE will....... @@HunterEQGtribute
golb isn't JUST A universal threat they might even be mulit-universal or even irl tier [like bugs].... we don't know we haven't see everything they can do yet. we've just seen a stare and what they did to the lich.....
@@HunterEQGtributeit’s not happening. They made a whole new show and it still isn’t happening. This was inevitable. Simon had to lose her, and accept letting her go. He didn’t know he was doing anything wrong or that she loved him that much, but it’s too late.
Betty calling her life with simon an "experience" really indicates how gone she is now, or at least how detached she is from everything. She is forever one with Golb and its so eerie.
Actually, when Simon got thrust away, it looked like golb went back to normal because betty’s wish was fulfilled, simon is safe physically and emotionally
I mean, i dont know whether to feel relieved or a bit sad, that Betty is technically still in there, a shread of consiousness still able to maintain control (And for a brief moment, she brought that forward to speak to Simon)
@@cdagaming575to be honest, it doesn't seem like Betty is struggling to control herself or anything, or that she's up against some higher entity. It seems like her and golb are really just one being, and since golb is so powerful and everlasting, she simply doesn't have time to give Simon the time of day...eer...or the time of multiverse hehe.
@@cloberlobster2276Yeah, much of Betty is still very much intact it's just slightly altered from her now being one with Golb she's just sorta..embracing the role she now has
@@hapytreefriends78 And it's a difference in who they are. Betty kept sacrificing for Simon. Simon always appreciated it; but ultimately the relationship had a one-sided aspect to it that benefitted Simon at cost to Betty. For her; it's an experience. Both as a god, and simply something worthwhile even if better decisions could've been made. For him; he lived the entire one-thousand years as a sad man whose lunacy pined for her everyday beneath the surface. Which in a fashion; Betty also did selfishly for herself; which hurt Simon too. Yet...it was a sacrifice as well. All because of a stupid crown. Sometimes Adventure Time is like that. Bittersweet. Gunther was too; the dinosaur. So is this.
@@maplegal2000 simon never noticed how much betty sacrificed but betty also kept doing it she could talk to simon and he would have listened to her they both did wrong yet simon finding the crown and betty disappearing saved ooo
@@zacaritestMost likely because to let go is to move on since not being able to move on usually ends up with a person living with painful memories and stuck in the past, or doing something that ends up harming them/others trying to relive the past as shown by adventure time, for example. Letting go doesn't mean you love that person any less.
@@zacaritest That’s not it. You have to learn to let go in love. That’s not always a sad thing. That means giving the person you love the space and freedom they need to be their own person and make their own choices and mistakes. Sometimes when you let someone go, they leave-like in this case with Betty who cannot stay. Sometimes when you let someone go, they leave and come back-like Finn letting go of Jake in the afterlife, but Jake choosing to go back with Finn to be reincarnated. Sometimes when you let someone go, they choose to stay by your side-like how Marshall gave up everything for Gary, even though they just met, so Gary could live out his dreams. But Gary turned that down and chose to stay by Marshall’s side. It’s not sad. It’s an important lesson to learn. If you hold on too hard to someone you love… You crush them. Your hurt them. Love can be a double-edged sword. And it needs to be wielded safely.
@@percyross7612it's really nice that you could explain it in various examples. I still think Simon can learn something to try get Betty back, just from time to time, not obsessively,since he now can move on and can do whatever he wants. Because even if they needed some time without eachother it doesn't mean Betty should stay as a beyond galaxy level god that doesn't have full control of herself. So it's both Simon living his life, but not completely forgetting about Betty.
One thing to remember for people wondering why she called Simon an experience, Just moments before this, Betty sent Simon 1000 years into the future. Essentially that means Betty is basically like prismo now, Time and space means nothing to her. ther'es no such thing as distance, no such thing as time. Heck even this "memory", it's completely red. That's probably because the one remembering it isn't simon, it's betty, and she's projecting that memory so Simon can join in. At this point, Betty has already most likely relived this memory thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of years. Look how many tetrix blocks she has over her head, now remember who she made into one of those blocks, THE LICH. Imagine if every one of those blocks is a lich, that means Betty has been to and probably eaten dozens if not hundreds of universes. This Betty is OLD, MUCH older than Simon. The memories Simon has of her are still fresh, but to her, this is the distant past. For Simon, this is a sorrowful seperation, for Betty, this is just another rerun of a memory she's probably recalled.... countless times. To him, she is everything, because in his world that's all there can be.To her this is just another.... really painful tuesday. Except this time, it came with a present that she's always wanted, always needed. And now, finally, she can be set free.
Golb remembered being summoned to Ooo, and when she was, she was rejoined with the aspect of herself called betty, and was glad, because being betty was a good experience. Golb remembered when the man she loved as betty came to her void, and when he did, she showed him what she wished him to know, both his mistakes, and that she had no regrets, because they were good experiences.
Those blocks existed around golbs head before he was fused with Betty, I think it’s likely each one of those had been a “scholar of golb” and each one is met with the truth that you can’t appease chaos, it doesn’t want anything and so there’s nothing that will satisfy it.
Betty got the end of the stick but for his transgressions against her, simons retribution came in the formof suffering within a crown that drove him mad for well over afew thousands years. He has paid for his crimes he committed to Betty 1000 fold. But just like real life prison, you don't come out the same person, and neither do the people you left behind. Sometimes the best thing you can do is acknowledge things simply won't be the same again.
@@tsunertoo9149 crimes? Maybe you didn't watch the episode properly but Simon didn't do anything to her. Everything she did was her choice. The writers clearly had an anti-Simon agenda but I saw through it
What I enjoy about this show the most is its emotional maturity. Most other adult animated series really miss the mark when trying to convey mature storylines, but it took an Adventure Time Spin-Off the show how it's done.
@chora3rd460 I'd argue even bojack falls short, portraying wackiness and complete emotional damage as the norm. But the reality for a lot of people is having a routine and just hating life, like Simon at the beginning. Not being a complete narcissist, like bojack
"...but I don't have any regrets." When Betty said this, my vision instantly became blurred from the river of tears that flowed from my eyes. Simon realized that he could've been more thoughtful of her and she gave him this reassurance that there was nothing to forgive or even change because she was happy with the life she had with him. Even in the end, she was still saving Simon somehow. Simon got to live his life after being Ice King for so long and I'm very happy for him.
It's bittersweet. What's crazy though is that if you think about it, this show managed to show us that though Simon and Betty made mistakes. Their choices actually led to the best outcome for the world. If Simon had gone with Betty, he would not have found the crown. He would have died and vampires would have ruled the world with Marceline as their star. If Betty had left without Simon. She would probably just have been. "The dead one." in his mind, there is no true relation and Simon would have become the Winter King. Their love was never going to result in everlasting happiness for them... But it did save the world in more ways than one.
That legit clicked everything for me. All their choices lead to the Ooo that it is, while all the other branched out timeline multiverses presented to us in the show were direct consequences of their choices.
i might be confused or something due to the lack of information from the og series cuz i wasn't watching it chronologically but there is that one moment of backstory where Simon is wearing crown on the street and shooting with ice powers aiming at the sky, and betty and he's also shouting something like"where are you betty, my princess" and she is like running away, when does that happen on the timeline?
@@highward5292 Ooooh, all the way back when Simon put on the crown for the very first time. So yeah basically Simon put on the crown all the way thousands years before the plot of Adventure time. It instantly made him mad and Simon began screaming and shouting while Betty ran, with Simon running after her shooting ice and calling for her. In the next moment though, FUTURE Simon opened a Time Portal with the intention of seeing Betty one last time. Only for Betty to jump through this very time portal to be with future Simon a thousand years into the future, and leaving past Simon who had only just put on the crown for the first time, behind. As it happened though future Simon was dying because the crown had been drained for magic, and by the end of the episode they manage to get the magic back, which meant that future Simon turned back into Ice King immediately and Betty now stuck in the future started on her travel to save Simon from the crown.
I…kinda like the fact Betty and Simon didn’t get a happy ending in a sense. This was bittersweet because that’s what life is. We make choices that change our lives and we make mistakes that we wish we could take back and that’s okay. Life isn’t about always wishing you could go back and correct your mistakes, it’s about learning from the mistakes so you don’t make them again. Life isn’t about wallowing in the pain and shut out everyone you love, it’s excepting the pain and using it to push yourself forward. We can’t fix or change things anymore then we can change the sun from setting. We all live, we all get hurt, we love, we gain, we lose and……we always keep going. And hey we may not be able to get a fairytale story book happy ending but, we can at least work towards having a good ending to our lives
What wonderful words. You made me cry, man. I think finn once said that life is good and bad, it's everything. I hope you live a beautiful one. Thank you.
Was it pointless? Sure it may not have been a happy ending but look at how far Simon came despite all the pain and the loss. His journey helped him realize his mistakes and he used those lessons to not only learn to accept what happened but help to save Fiona and cakes world. So no the journey wasn’t pointless it was just complicated
@@designationc6042You sir took the words out of my mouth. Because it’s true, life is not a fairy tale and bringing Betty back would just ruin the scenery many couples face after they lost a loved one.
i think he's also cursed with immortality, even without the crown. considering he should've withered away already and death himself saying that he had that one chance or he'd be around till the sun explodes, so billions of years.
@@orektezHe’s not. Back when Simon, Betty, and Finn were inside golb they started regressing back into their original forms as they were being digested by golb. In short he was just turned younger and is now living a normal human lifespan.
I cannot stress enough how poignant the exchange "You were a wonderful experience" "You were everything" is. For Betty, Simon used to also be everything, but she's no longer Betty, she's GOLB, the god of chaos. For an existence so unfathomably large like that, Simon really is just a happy memory that spans just a few years on a mind that time itself bends around, but it is and it'll always be a happy memory. And for Simon, after he lost Betty his life became the same as being dead, every time he sacrificed himself and everything he ever worked for was for the sake of making things right by Betty, to go down a spiral of selfish selflessness just like her without even noticing it. He never once could accept how much his own life mattered both to him and those that loved him, only Betty mattered. Now they're both free, they can piece together their own shattered lives however they please. EDIT: Apparently the text on the Bus after it switches from airport reads "comet". Betty has become a catalyst comet and is probably reincarnated now.
for some reason this is sad to me but im happy for both of them at the same time, i wish they could’ve talked longer but i think they said all they needed to
I fucking hate misinformation. The one who "decoded" this used total nonsense. But everyone who saw it ran with it and think themselves "special" for "figuring it out"
This is honestly so sad. Betty and Simon love each other to death, meant to be but from Simon losing his sanity and Betty sacrificing herself to save the man she loves. And what Beth made the comment of Simon choosing Casper's choices instead of choosing Nova's. I think it was a Hint that Simon prefer his options and Betty following his options. THEY'RE SO WHOLESOME
It was sadly a hint that the relationship wasn't as perfect and as ideal as everyone including Simon thought it was. Thought not directly Simon led Betty down a pretty self destructive path where she eventually literally gives up everything all for him. That isn't necessarily love, or it can be but it is also 100% obsession. Betty dedicated her life to this one man, and though he was a good man. It wasn't the best decision for her to make, but she made it. And she is done with looking back.
=NOPE,U'VE MISSED THE POINT..........WHAT WOULD VE CHANGE IF SIMON SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR BETTY INSTEAD? =LIKE.........WHY NOT SIMON WOULD VE SAY THERE LIKE "AHHHH SCREW *EVERYTHING* IF OUR INTERESTS DIFFER SO MUCH, LETS GO TO WENDY'S I'VE HEARD THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING NEW"......GOT IT???...NEUTRAL GROUND....
@@therestinghornet6906 true but from what I see Betty doesnt regret anything and just hope for the best for Simon while its pretty wholesome in a way it still very sad the fact Simon finally realise all this happen because he oblivious to Betty love obsession is as hard as his own love for Betty(for anyone say he doesnt he literally prepare to commit suecide because he got nothing better to do and dont forget he use all of his knowledge to open portal to golb knowing full well he might be die and he did it only to be able talk to his beloved) I wish that Simon can find meaning in his life and not trying open portal to golb again he cheat death once I dont think he gonna be that lucky next time
I think thay people saying that Betty is not the same, kinda missed the point. She is herself, she became a god and gain a better perspective of the events in the past. While Simon was a meare experience to a god, she was everything. And that's okay, is a closure, they loved eachother but Simon was naive and selfish, and thats normal; Betty was the tree that gives, she became a stump and has nothing left. They both grew up
"They both grew up" was exactly what I thought. Betty is both not the same AND the same person, in the sense that you as a child and you as an adult are the same, but different people. Simon is to her is what a childhood dream is to all of us, a beloved memory that we will always look fondly on while also knowing we have no place or belonging in that world anymore. As she said, he was a wonderful experience- it may have been short, but there is emphasis on the wonderful.
@@cheeseplate7844No, she turned into an eldritch being. That’s why her “wonderful experience” contrasts heavily with his “you were everything”. The sheer difference in consciousness is so astounding, it’s inhumane. Whilst as an adult you may look back to your childhood with a heavy longing, Betty’s scenario isn’t anything alike as she’s become utterly inhumane. And will continue down this path of chaos. It’s the worst ending for her.
Betty might've fused with Golb for several years now but thinking about how golb is literally an omnipresent being. Golb is chaos itself. It exist in every universe, every dimensions and every timeline. That amount of knowledge alone would destroy everyone's mind. But since betty fused with golb she could handle it, but in exchange she also lost her humanity. For her to say to simon "You were a wonderful experience" She was being literal, her sense of awareness and understanding is eldritch. Like imagine she could see colors we humans could not see, she could understand concepts humans could never thought of. She could feel everything and anything all the time at the same time. Literally everything everywhere all at once. Simon to her really was just an experience and thats what makes this tragic 😭
@@giuk1987 But even out of all the countless experiences that she's ever had as one with GOLB, her experience with Simon still stands very much as a wonderful one and she doesn't regret it at all. Its tragic, but in a way - also wholesome.
i love the little details in this scene. like how in this version when simon hugs betty she lands on the same level as him, meanwhile in the real scene she lands on the step below him, implying how they were never on equal footing in the relationship so subtle but so great, despite their flaws they’ll always be my favourite couple in the show besides pb and marcy. i love them
I remember watching the initial scene and thinking it was weird that she was on the lower step. Didn’t think any deeper beyond that. So cool you pointed that out and made the connection. Also that was a good king krule album
My grandmother passed away a few weeks ago when this show started and ultimately i feel like it’s shown ways we grieve and how to cope with loss.. life will move on and out loved ones lost would want us to live it to the fullest.
sorry to hear that, hope you can make some time for yourself to grieve properly and then when you feel a bit better move on. lost my gran last year too and I still think of her now
What's great is that we saw what would have happened. But that doesn't matter now, they made their choices and Simon still has a life to live, a second chance. And he now finally gets that
@@realplayaf Not necesarily. Betty was the cause of Golb being summoned, noone else. It's more so that several things could have changed for a more positive outcome: 1) Simon could have gotten on the boss, and chose to help Betty in some of her pursuits instead of his own 2) Simon could have found a better way then constantly diverting to the crown (Heck, because of point 1, he may not have ever found the crown) 3) Had Betty stayed in her timeline, they could have actually gotten the proper goodbye they were looking for much sooner, without the latter events occuring
He loved her just as much as she loved him. It's just that he need help more than she did, and she willingly jumped for the love of her life. She always will. She's happy to see Simon safe and would do anything to keep him that way. I'm sure Simon will let the world freeze if it meant saving Betty. She may have missed her trip, but I'm willing to bet that they made even better memories together after they became official and up until Simon put on the crown.
Finally someone sees it this way. They were both crazy in love for each other yet people act like Simon is some kind of narcissist who let Betty make him the center of her life without reciprocating. She chose to stay with him without any pressure and they were happy. They don't get to spin "I kinda wish I could be by your side all the time" into "she had her own plans, but was ok doing what he wanted too" in the span of two episodes. Now, tragic outcome aside, I genuinely think anyone who calls their pre-war relationship toxic has issues not with them, but just with the concept of love.
THIS. THIS. THIS. Betty never missed her trip. Betty loved Simon. How many days, months, years did Betty and Simon have together before Simon lost his mind to the crown. Wasn't that worth something. Betty jumped through the weird wormwhole because she loved Simon. Betty Sacrificed herself because she loves Simon. Everyone forgets the scene where they are just sitting with each other in the fireflies, the first time they realize they love each other. That was the bus she always wanted to make. Like the OP said, Simon always needed more help and he was blessed to have people who loved him help him along in his life. We'd all be lucky to have a Betty in our life. God I hope there's another chance for Simon and Betty.
She risked everything to bring Simon back from insanity even costing her own life and becoming the golb. Simon was a fool not to realize what he had done until it was too late. But sometimes people learn stuff the hard way.
Ngl that last scene when Betty looks at the destination sign saying "airport" switching to some incomprehensible runes then suddenly appearing as GolBetty was terrifying
I keep seeing comments about how the sign changing into something that was incomprehensible to both Simon and the audience is the fact that she’s going somewhere he can’t follow her to. A possible afterlife, another world, another universe, who knows? Not us, not Simon, and maybe that’s a way for all of us to move on?
Fun fact it's actually the language of the enchiridion and says comet, which is why we see the red cube and green pyramid turn into an apple with a bow, she has reincarnated after sending simon home, she is at peace
@@leanmeanmarceline5196 Since we see two specific future Land of Ooo residents in episode 8, I am willing to bet that Simon and her get to reincarnate since Marcalene and Bonnabel have each other for support. Simon can be comfortable living his life until it's end with the good people he surrounds himself with as Simon. Distant Lands showed us how death works along with reincarnation after all.
1:35 just chills me to the bone for some reason. The silent yet deep droning in the background, the sudden replacement of Betty with Golbetty, everything is just so unsettling
As sad as the events of Simon going after the Crown were, it's best to remember that without that journey he never would have found a certain crying orphan child and been the surrogate father she needed during the worst days of her life.
It is really impressive how Betty's love for Simon is more powerful than the God of destruction himself and she can control him just to fulfill that wish.
i really love how Golbetty tried it's best to show how much it cares for Simon, while at the same time sounding like a extra terrestrial. It can't feel like a human any more, and i think it tried it's best to demonstrate such to Simon. Even if it knows what Simon wants.
Its insane that after all these years we finally have a proper conclusion to Simon and GolBetty that feels not only profound but also emotionally mature Just wanna thank the team of writers and animators behind this for making such a good episode and also the voice actors. Tom Kenny killed it
I really hoped they could've been together somehow - maybe exploring and discovering things together across the universe. It's cruel that she's stuck like this forever - long after Simon dies and nobody speaks her name anymore.
@@AJTheInvisibleGirlRight here when she talks to Simon and stuff shows she still feels and still enjoys the fond memories, but she probably just feels in a way beyond our comprehension, like the whole existing outside of abstract that is space and time
I liked the underlying message of this series, alternate realities based on certain decisions and leading ultimately to Simon figuring out what decision he could’ve made differently
I mean tbh, he did make decent choices given Ooo is the way it is. Had he not gotten the crown, or had Betty not been with him, a bunch of those apocalyptic universes we saw would have happened.
the point the show depicted what was fundamentally wrong with their relationship. It was immature and impulsive from both ends there was a lack of communication and idealizing. The reason the show hits close for adults is the fact that most of us have outgrown immature superficial love like that and know how to build strong foundations romantically. It was clearly stated in the show that betty was in fact "obsessive". Which means she didn't fully engage with Simon as a person neither. Simon found his love from someone who supported him and Betty found it in someone she admired. But it lead to impulsive decisions Notice how fionna went from being immature and wanting the world exactly how she wants it and the through the series she learned to receptive to everyone else because she literally does not live in her own little world. When she visited other peoples worlds and acted impulsively she ended up regretting it. Things go better when you incorporate what others want to do and what you want to do and meet somewhere in the middle. Her world is still normal but there is a blend of magic. cake gets to keep her autonomy. Marsh and pb gets to stay together and so on. Edit: I feel the need to say this both Betty and Simon were full consenting adults and it seemed like Betty was doing a graduate study thing. I'd understand blaming Simon if Betty was significantly younger but she wasn't. Betty should have spoken up and prioritized herself as well and Simon should have made an effort so that Betty know there is room for her to be her own person. But like the lich Simon was so obsessed with his study he lost hold of what was important. But in a way so did Betty .
I feel like if Betty was atleast in her mid twenties and Simon probably was late twenties or early thirties. Simon got his doctorate and I believe if betty was doing an exploration trip she was probably pursuing her Phd. which puts her in the mid twenties age. So a full adult with her frontal lobe developed. And Simon was most lilely just giving a lecture at her school but was not her professor. This is why i feel like the age gap probably was not an issue I made that comment because there were some comments blaming simon. Acting as though betty had no autonomy and did not make decisions as a grown woman. infantilizing her and her choices in a way. (I want to make this clear I dont think you are saying this but some other comments were) I think Simon dropped the ball in letting betty have a place in the relationship to express her desires and I feel like betty dropped the ball in not taking initiative in stating what her desires were. There was no communication between the two of them @@carlycrays2831
i would pretty much agree, there was an age gap, but it wasnt like a professor student, it was more like a normal co-worker gap, because he is clearly still fairly young seeing he hasnt greyed (average age for men greying in the US is 30s) so hes at most early-mid thirties, and since shes a PHD student and the average (in the america) being in the 25-33 year old age range, they more than likely were fairly close in age, with the furthest gap being probably betty around her mid 20s and simon in his very early 30s, and the closest they are within like 2-3 years, so I highly doubt their age plays a role in the relationship but rather who they are to each other in a professional sense. do @@MakotoOPT
It breaks my heart and melts it back together that even as a part of golb, this instrument of chaos across realms, that Betty can still show humanity and sympathy. “You were a wonderful experience.” Even while part of a god of chaos, she manages to give Simon one last adoring thought.
The best part about adventure time is that you dont really feel like it ended, the first ending on the original series teaches you that it really never ends even after someones death, there will be always stories to be told and a life worthliving, even if this is the last bit of AT that we eill ever have, the adventure really never end and there will be always something worth living for
Every moment he wanted to say goodbye got interrupted by either the crown, magic, time shenanigans, all either resulting in one or the other sacrificing thenselves for the other till it culminated into this a final goodbye where they got their feelings out, regrets and thoughts before being able to move on
The first thing that came to my mind in this scene was in the “Jerry” episode, where Simon tells his story with Betty to Fiona, and in this exact part she asks him: “Did you get the bus with her?”. And Simon’s instantly said “No? Why would I do that?”. I think That’s interesting to see that they gave us some “foreshadowing” of the story from episode 9 and how Simon, besides loving Betty so much, didn’t thought that much about her and her life
It's not that. It's more of "Why would I just randomly tag along on her trip without packing any bags or buying a ticket?" His main thing was to confess his feelings for her, but he also has a hard time expressing himself.
Im glad that betty and simon both got the closure they deserved and accepted the consequences of their choices. It may not be the story book ending they wanted but its a powerful message about accepting the outcome of your decisions while being able to appreciate the past even if things didn't turn out the way you wanted. Its learning to let go and move forward without holding on to the pain of loss. All in all this is the most fitting resolution for the both of them who loved each other so much they almost destroyed themselves. There was no way either of them could have truly be at peace if they didn't know the other was going to be okay and it just goes to show how well this show illustrates how facing the challenges life gives you and meeting them with accountability, acceptance,and learning from and appreciating your past experiences will help you heal
The fact that they were doomed no matter what... even if Simon were more considerate and he did indeed never find the crown, he would have died along with Betty when the Mushroom War started, and no one would have been there to raise Marceline aside from vampires. His selfishness ironically doomed his relationship but saved Ooo 😢
He probably still would've found the crown, but he only put it on to make Betty laugh. Maybe in the vampire World he never met Betty and therefore never wore the crown, as we can see he died as a normal human
Not exactly. That's basically the concept of how parallel worlds work. Every choice you make creates alternate 'branches' that can lead to 'endings' that aren't necessarily 'good' or 'bad'. Like you said, if Simon didn't find the crown and went with Betty's choices, there could have been possible worlds where he and Betty die, and Marceline would be raised by Vampires to mirror the alternate world where she became 'The Star'. There also could have been world where he doesn't find the crown, but the Mushroom War never happens and Ooo never exists. Conversely, worlds where Simon DOES find the crown while going with Betty's choices may still end up as twisted as the Winter King's world, or could be a 'happy ending for everyone'. That's why I sort of think Betty said "We made our choices. We could have made better ones. But, I don't have any regrets.". Because she understood that while there could have been 'better' choices that could have resulted in a better 'ending' for them, there was also the chance that things could have been 'worse' for them than how things turned out now.
The hopeless romantic in me is in anguish. Yes I know that it’s healthier for Simon to move on and get therapy, but I would’ve loved for him and Betty to get a happy ending. Especially since now she has to live eternity floating in an endless black void alone. So he’ll just grow old and die to leave Betty alone for eternity? And he’s ok with that? Just wish he could’ve saved her or lived by her side for eternity doing what she wanted.
@@haux522Yea but that’s not an ending either. The Lich worships Golb but Golb is still a god. As Golb, Betty would never truly love Simon and as the Lich Simon would be a force of pure evil. This is literally the best outcome
@@parkerd2919I think the entire point was to show that there really isn't a happy ending to this, and adventure time is known for quite a few dark stories..many characters don't all have it good in the end we are lucky Simon at least got some form of a healthy way forward it's sad yeah but it'd kind of remove the entire impact/consequence of Betty making that wish
I think Golb gained something precious when Betty fused with them, and that precious thing triggered change in an immortal being. Golbetty is off to have an adventure of their own somewhere else. Even though we'll never know what that adventure will be like, I just know it'll be a fun one.
It kills me that that Simon realized his mistake too late and they couldn’t get their happily ever after. But at the same time, with that comment about the crown, I think we already got to see the timeline where they handled their relationship better…and it was not good.
Wow Tom Kenny did a fantastic job as Simon. I hope he has more roles like this in the future. I mean he is the voice of SpongeBob but I really enjoyed his performance as Simon
I like how this parallels what Betty did in the original series. This time instead of changing the date of her own ticket it’s Simon who let’s her do what she wants. Although in both cases neither really changed the past it’s about acceptance. She already realized how codependent the relationship was years ago and waited for Simon to finally catch up.
I don't agree with the idea that betty no longer cares about simon. When she says, "You were in amazing experience," It's because she's viewing their relationship and their love through the eyes of a god. It's not that she doesn't care. She just has a dramatically different perspective on things.
No, I think her perspective is that of a human who’s gone beyond the need for trying to possess someone and trying to be good enough and just letting go and appreciating the experience, something we should all strive for
Man, this episode revealed so much about Simon. He didn't really "deserve" to be with Betty again due to him just now realizing how much she gave up for him, but then again he didn't deserve to be a crazed old man still thinking of Betty in some way, Ice King or not. I'm glad they went with the most mature and realistic option being for them to both move on with the way things were. They both grew from the time they spent with each other and don't regret any decisions, even if they did make mistakes.
@@22especno it fucking doesn't - show me the cipher that means it does. It doesn't match the runic code in AT, and assuming it means comet means that previous cypher texts would be broken
They both made sacrifices for love. But their sacrifices gave birth to happier outcomes for Ooo. Simon SAVED Marceline, and his influence shaped the world. Humans survived, vampires disappeared, and he was able to save a hidden universe. Betty not only saved Simon, but also saved the world from Golb’s wrath. I remember when AT ended, I wanted Simon to save Betty and live a happily ever after love story. But this ending was so adult and real. Sometimes happy endings don’t mean the same thing. Simon can now live his life and enjoy his freedom. And Betty’s destiny is just beginning. These two truly made the series wonderful.
Betty became a god. Its still her, but different. Shes got insane perspective and vast eldritch knowledge. She probably understood what faults the relationship had in the past and accepted them, but also accepted her own actions and moved on. Shes pretty much ascended past human capacity. But even then, in her new form which is ageless, timeless, limitless, she still remembers Simon. And she still remembers how wonderful their love was. Thats incredible to me that even in godhood, she still holds that experience close to her. Yes its tragic, but now they BOTH can move forward in their new lives knowing it was all real and that it was wonderful.
Simon is such a Chad. Casually talking to a god fused with his lover, he got further in conversation with Golbetty then the lich could ever accomplish.
is it just me or do i wish we couldve gotten more of like the things betty sacrificed for simon in cheers? The episodes were good but i just feel as if they could have had more simon instead of fionna and cake. I get they are the main and titicular characters but still. There should have been atleast 1 or 2 more episodes or maybe extend cheers a bit to like a 44 minute episode exploring more simon and betty. The episode was good just kinda dissapointed not gonna lie.
Would have destroyed the entirety of fionna and cake if most of it was of Simon It's good how they did this they conveyed both journeys of mostly all the memorable characters of adventure time
@pyroticphoenix1846 I get what your saying, but I feel as if simon and betty should've had an episode focused for themselves showing everything betty sacrificed for simon and how much pain she also felt whilst doing so because it feels like some choices simon made sort of made betty upset
I don't think it was unhealthy but Simon needed to learn that Betty wouldn't be herself ever again and they couldn't be together like they were before. He learned to cherish what he had and to move on with his life.
In what way did they slowly kill each other? Betty and Simon were always great together. It was at first the ice crown that changed Simon and then later it was the magic man hat that changed Betty. The show has a theme that you can not use magic to change destiny, or else you will suffer consequences. Simon saved Marceline with the ice crown, and the consequence was he changed into the ice king. Betty got brought to the future when they were looking at Simon's memories on Mars because she wanted to save Simon. Betty tried to save Simon with magic Man's power but turned into Mad Betty. Betty tries to work with ice king to undo the curse and summons golb. Finally Betty tries to save Simon and turns into Bolb (Betty golb). They were never meant to be, but they never hurt each other or tore each other down. They had a great relationship and external factors fought against them. You watch too many badly written teen dramas.
I hate how this show *tried* to MAKE it unhealthy, because it's really not. A few bad choices does NOT mean it's an unhealthy relationship. It definitely could have been better, but it's nowhere near what you describe. "Slowly killing each other" is like Jimmy and Kim from Better Call Saul. This? This is 2 people madly in love with each other, whose shortcomings were ignored by the other. And the fact that Simon needed to move on.
@@Crispifordthe3rd515Madly in love is the problem though. This was already somewhat explored near the end of Adventure Time with Betty when she sees her past self. She says along the lines "I given up so much for Simon. I don't know if there's any me left". The show isn't making out Simon out to be a bad guy; he was just in love like Beth said. But you can still be bad for someone without being a bad person. Still this scene is not saying Betty is a victim. Like she said, she made her choices. And she doesn't have any regrets. The point is that if you love someone, you got give them equal attention and position. And if you are madly in love with someone, you need to make time for yourself. Otherwise you can end up like Betty and Simon.
@@aimanimran4565How is that edgy? This ending was pretty happy all things considered. People wanted the entirety of Betty’s sacrifice to be nullified with bringing her back to human form so she could be with Simon which didn’t make a lot of sense given how impactful it was. It would’ve been too cookie cutter to have that happen
Dude, Golbetty truly is the most terrifying experience in the show. Her humanity stripped from her as she accepted the duty of basically being Golb, everything that’s happened in Betty’s story is so depressing.
Did anyone notice the stair, betty stood on? In episode 8, where we saw this scene the first time, betty stood, after the hug, one step lower than Simon, and now, after he realised his mistake, they both stand on the top of the stairs. I don't know, but i think that was intentional.
Im crying when "everything in you" came out with the episode it sounded like it was sung from bettys perspective, but putting the whole show into perspective and the enterity of lyrics, its applicable to simon as well "youve got my heart, my everything is you"
“Were an experience” & “were everything” means a lot … & I don’t think it means they devalue each other. Betty moved on with a new purpose & Simon realised how important Betty was. They might as well both said “u were an experience & everything,” bc it’s true. But this highlights the important revelations. At least, I’ll think this way bc I want 2 believe Betty is Golb. Golb can have emotions & develop.
Poor bastard. Spent thousands of years unknowingly pining for Betty, than when he's sane again she has to sacrifice herself to save him, and now she's too detached from the mortal experience and he has to let her go hope Simon can move on and find someone else to be happy with
I feel like the show overlooked that if Simon DIDN'T find the crown, the world would be destined to be the same as the vampire world or the extinct world.
@@elenadominguez4517 Just saying it seems like in the grand scheme of things, it is better for Simon to become the Ice King than him not. With how much the spin off seemed to want to kick Simon around, especially with this weird new take on his relationship with Betty, acknowledging all the good he did just by raising Marceline would have been a refreshing breath of air.
@@SuperSwordman1yeah. Forget all the good deeds what Simon made and calling him a bad guy, feels weird. Uh... This is Ice King's pattern. Everytime you wins, you always loose. And also, Simon doesn't have any closure. He's just back to where he started with this weird smile. He should've more regret this "information" he got. And being sad, that noone goes to find him and nothing change.
If the power of the crown was strong enough to do this, it stands to reason that the power of a new crown could undo it. If Simon had kept the crown instead of throwing it away, he could have sought out a way (much like betty tried) to undo it, and reset it back to it's prime wishing state. Then you know, ask to use PB as a magic battery (she is an elemental, and we've seen her survive worse), open a portal. Use the wish. Jump back in the portal and pray Golb doesn't follow.
@@ktm1125In theory he could have, but I'm pretty sure the whole point was to avoid Simon ever putting the crown on again considering the huge amounts of damage it had already caused before there would have been some form of backfire for using it again
@@shazaz1059 No? The crown only did what it was told to do. It's not inherently evil or bad or anything. But it's only as good as the wish you give it. So in it's prime wishing state, it's simply a blank slate. Which would be the state in which Simon would put it on as to make the wish to undo GOLBetty.
@@ktm1125 Even if it could be used to undo Golbetty, there could be some unfortunate outcome to follow such as base Golb being a potential threat again now that Betty isn't there to essentially keep the being in check There's always been some drawback that occurs when using the crown for anything narratively...even Betty's wish despite the good it brought came at a cost the crown's wishing power is almost never put to any 100% good use without any indirect consequence
We saw how dedicated Betty was before she became Golb. Now the reserve happens abd Simon sees her as everything to him. Its deeply poetic and i love this story ❤️
wait wouldn't it be bad if Simon never got the crown? it would be good if in another universe he did let betty do her own things but wouldn't just lead to the vampire world because he has no crown to protect himself after the war? at least maybe Simon would be happy in the short moment he had to live until he got sucked dried from a vampire
As betty says it herself, she has no regrets, even if things didn't turn out very well for either of them. It's not just Simon who was obsessive and couldn't leave well enough alone, by the time of the series when she did it, Ice King lived a fairly happy life, was accepted by the greater community of Ooo, friends with his former arch enemy, reconnected with his estranged adoptive daughter, it was Betty who couldn't let go and summoned GOLB to "fix" him, even if she still hurt both of them. Simon may be restored, but whether he should've been is really not something even Simon is sure of, but what happened, happened, and Betty has no regrets and is gonna do her own thing as GOLB now, while it's up to Simon to appreciate himself and his chance to figure out what he'll do.
@@hapytreefriends78 Yeah. It's not about who was at fault. Not about who held who back or what they could've done instead. It's about accepting your choices and their consequences. And then moving on. I think this was a great ending for Simon's story.
With no crown, the Vampire King couldn’t make it eternal night. So the world probably wouldn’t be as bad as Vampire world, but would still be worse than normal Ooo.
"I will always and forever be ruined by you " I kinda relate to this story very much . I loved someone, my love ran deep and I thought so was my person but with time I felt that their love was seasonal. I stayed even when I was hurt and chose to believe that love was still there. A lie. My life arrived at a set of problems, i tried so hard to keep my life problems away because I didn't want to lose that" one best thing I had ". Love really got the best of me, I pretended to be blind for a while until one stormy day one argument made me realize how much of a fool I'd been. I'd never wish for anyone to hear those words from a person you love , it tore me down. I was left numb. I then decided that it was time to let go, I had been living a lie , my pain of swords no longer pierced me infact I became numb. I tried my best to be the best version for the person I loved but my love was so blinding instead they chose to close their eyes. And the day arrived I chose to stop watering dead plants, because my life needed more of me than anyone else. I needed myself. I made the best decision of my life and worst decision for my heart to walk away first, knowing I was in still in love with this person and would still be in love with this person but they'd never see my love. So I crushed this love with my own hands that had brought them into existence. It broke me , a part of me and I'm still healing. On the other hand, immature me took all the blame just because I didn't wanna hurt the person I loved like they'd destroyed me with their words. I knew my time was up, and it was time to let go. They never took responsibility, I never got a closure. I still wished that they too would taste the feeling of being so much in love and their love never being acknowledged. Some days I regretted meeting this person, but now with years gone by I've realized that it's not love that I regret with this person, I would still love this person again , I would still break my heart again because it was worth it . Because I cane to know what love felt like , what pain felt like , the feeling of being broken but most importantly the feeling of getting up once again after the hurt. Although it took a long time and I'm still not over the pain , but it's happening. But for now my heart lies somewhere like an old book on the library shelves. Knowing that it will one day have a reader who will read all its pages without skipping it, who will smell those old dusty pages and love it. Till then it will lay there with dust collecting with time. This wait this healing will be one day worthwhile. And I don't regret loving someone even though it ended in my life's greatest tragedy. I've moved on. I've stopped blaming the person , I've stopped blaming me. Love happened , together we did built something around love but with time , love only stayed with me.
Mature/Responsible outcome in respect to the choices they made but god this hurt like hell. Moving on is tough but at least both got closure and acceptance out of it. More than a lot of people get
You know, he could have just asked golbetty to eat the crown real quick to revert it back to normal and then wished to seperate betty and golb. Cause if a wish fused them then a wish can unfuse them
You make it sound like Golb wishes are so simple. Betty took multiple tries to find a wish that would stop Golb from destroying Ooo and had to settle for a vague one that got interpreted into fusing Betty with Golb. A direct wish on Golb would likely fail again. Seems likely the only way to effect Golb with wishes from the crown is make them open ended. Similar to "However it has to happen. ...I wish for the power to keep Simon safe."
honestly really love this scene, the original series was so wrapped up in the tradgedy of the crown tearing apart these two lovers that their relationship was pretty idealised, only time i can think it wasn't was when magic betty was shown her past self prepping for her trip, but that was right before the finale where major events took over. that's not an issue mind you it worked for adventure time for making ice king and betty investing characters, it did kinda leave betty one note though, but there were so many characters at that point it didn't really matter, but i'm glad they gotten time to explore bettys character more, both through simon reminising to fionna and golbettys interactions. she's almost treating him like a child in a way, trying to tell him clear as day what she means when he has his mind set on sacrificing himself, while clearly still caring about him and protecting him in her care, it's almost errie in a way how her will has overpowered golbs, not giving litch the time of day while having full focus on simon with a much more delicate touch. that's not to say golb is just betty now though, as everyones pointed out she's gained so much perspective that simon was an experience in her infinite life with an outside view of the multiverse, despite both of them being well into adulthood the shared memory really shows them as nieve lovers, and they both accept it as okay and go their seperate ways. really glad they went in this direction, little disapointed we didn't see simon meet back up with marcaline noting she'd be panicked beyond belief at his disapearance and would've been distraught at him becoming iceking again. but the ending was nice, kinda wish it was spread across a longer epilogue but it was nice enough, got the job done. such a great miniseries, big focus on the most emotional side story in the canon and all the side stories coverge into stories about acceptance. just absolutely amazing even if scarab recking havok then getting undone like 3 times at the end was a bit monotonous.
This series… finally wrapping up it’s only loose end. And what a heart wrenching loose end at that. Glad to see some closure. Broken to see Betty’s humanity torn from her when she ultimately saved Simon and Ooo from her desperate crazed self attempting to save Simon
For anyone who think this was Simon only imagining this, Simon’s memory of this had very normal, almost nostalgic colors. This scene shows the memory painted with red colors everywhere in the sky. Since everything was red, I think this scene was GOLBetty projecting the memory onto Simon so she could finally talk to him since I’m assuming GOLB as a being can’t physically speak. Additionally, this is most likely why the memory ended up so weird at the end, with the gibberish letters and GOLBetty taking the bus at the end.
This scene left a hole in my heart and i Haven't felt the same since. Its like we were saying goodbye to a long time friend. One that grew up with us. Made us laugh cru and think beyond our mormal comprehension. Adventure time in itself was a wonderful experience and the The fan base that it created is everything that'll keep it alive
He probably didn’t die Jay and lil destiny probably just wanted to run away and live a life away from the fathers who hate each other With fictional characters never assume they’re dead until you see a body
Something I think is interesting is how everybody notices that she calls Simon an "Experience" but that's not the word she puts the emphasis on. The word that's important is that it's a WONDERFUL experience. She's not capable of love or even human emotion the way it could be commonly understood anymore, but despite that she still feels that her time with him was wonderful. It's not love, but you can't expect love to have meaning to something like Golb. You could easily say that this is something stronger than just conventional human love, since it transcended space and time to touch the very essence of a creature whose very existence is anathema to life itself. It's a strangely beautiful sentiment. Simon (and this memory in particular) made a deep and profound impact on a literal god.
Its most tragic for Betty, at least Simon gets to die an possibly forget after reincarnation, Betty is both all powerful god and powerless prisoner for like forever.
Simon Petrikov: "My fiancee turned into a primordial interdimensional god."
Sokka: "I finally get to say the thing Zuko said to me."
Link: My girlfriend turned into a Dragon
@@agamernamedjoe There should just be a club for dudes like these. We'll call it the TRB (That's Rough Buddy) Club.
Sokka: That rough buddy…
I think this is my favorite comment of all time
@@agamernamedjoe I thought Zelda would be Link's love interest or at least the closest thing
This scene made me so emotional Betty might not be herself anymore but she still cares for Simon
this proved that in golb she is still there but still says that she does not regret anything she did for him...which is pure love
Thank God she’s still alive but I hope she will come back to him somehow.
i think she needs to stay in Golb..... at least for a bit.
because if Golb can learn human emotions from her it might be better then if she leaves too early......and they[?] become too violent.
i want betty back with Simon too, but Golb is a much BIGGER threat now.
remember they JUST KILLED the og lich [the lich THAT WON].
and not even going into what happened when Golb was a baby with the war.......
that look when they fused with betty says it all......
the pure malice they gave off was enough to threaten EVEN US watchers.....
if betty leaves too soon....it wont JUST be Finn and Simon suffering.....
EVERYONE will.......
@@HunterEQGtribute
golb isn't JUST A universal threat they might even be mulit-universal or even irl tier [like bugs]....
we don't know we haven't see everything they can do yet.
we've just seen a stare and what they did to the lich.....
@@HunterEQGtributeit’s not happening. They made a whole new show and it still isn’t happening. This was inevitable. Simon had to lose her, and accept letting her go. He didn’t know he was doing anything wrong or that she loved him that much, but it’s too late.
Betty calling her life with simon an "experience" really indicates how gone she is now, or at least how detached she is from everything. She is forever one with Golb and its so eerie.
I think it's just glob have memory/ seconds personality. Just like glados, since glob consumed/fused with Betty in the first places.
@@tomorrowisyesterday3215I think you mean Golb, glob is King/Normal/Magic Man’s brother from mars
@@tomorrowisyesterday3215 I think she's dead. After she fulfilled her wish, she restored being GOLB.
Or since she and GOLB are one now, Simon as part of Betty memories are about the only thing GOLB/Betty has experienced.
Actually, when Simon got thrust away, it looked like golb went back to normal because betty’s wish was fulfilled, simon is safe physically and emotionally
My heart dropped when the bus sign changed from "Airport" to that unknowable text.... Betty really isn't human anymore and will never be human again
I mean, i dont know whether to feel relieved or a bit sad, that Betty is technically still in there, a shread of consiousness still able to maintain control
(And for a brief moment, she brought that forward to speak to Simon)
@@cdagaming575to be honest, it doesn't seem like Betty is struggling to control herself or anything, or that she's up against some higher entity. It seems like her and golb are really just one being, and since golb is so powerful and everlasting, she simply doesn't have time to give Simon the time of day...eer...or the time of multiverse hehe.
@@cloberlobster2276Yeah, much of Betty is still very much intact it's just slightly altered from her now being one with Golb
she's just sorta..embracing the role she now has
@cloberlobster2276 so no GOLBussy for simon? goddammit
The sign changed to "COMET"
"You were an experience." "You were... everything." Hits so hard
I don't really understand. Did they not feel the same for each other?
@@redpeanut8113she's become a god, so...
@@redpeanut8113 She's not really herself anymore, so she can't relate as she used to
@@hapytreefriends78 And it's a difference in who they are.
Betty kept sacrificing for Simon.
Simon always appreciated it; but ultimately the relationship had a one-sided aspect to it that benefitted Simon at cost to Betty.
For her; it's an experience. Both as a god, and simply something worthwhile even if better decisions could've been made.
For him; he lived the entire one-thousand years as a sad man whose lunacy pined for her everyday beneath the surface. Which in a fashion; Betty also did selfishly for herself; which hurt Simon too. Yet...it was a sacrifice as well.
All because of a stupid crown.
Sometimes Adventure Time is like that. Bittersweet. Gunther was too; the dinosaur. So is this.
@@maplegal2000 simon never noticed how much betty sacrificed but betty also kept doing it she could talk to simon and he would have listened to her they both did wrong yet simon finding the crown and betty disappearing saved ooo
“The final act of love, is to let go” which they both truly loved each other .
I think the final step of loving has to go beyond losing someone, don't you think? xd I feel like lately everyone is trying to make love very sad
@@zacaritestMost likely because to let go is to move on since not being able to move on usually ends up with a person living with painful memories and stuck in the past, or doing something that ends up harming them/others trying to relive the past as shown by adventure time, for example.
Letting go doesn't mean you love that person any less.
@@zacaritest
That’s not it. You have to learn to let go in love. That’s not always a sad thing. That means giving the person you love the space and freedom they need to be their own person and make their own choices and mistakes.
Sometimes when you let someone go, they leave-like in this case with Betty who cannot stay.
Sometimes when you let someone go, they leave and come back-like Finn letting go of Jake in the afterlife, but Jake choosing to go back with Finn to be reincarnated.
Sometimes when you let someone go, they choose to stay by your side-like how Marshall gave up everything for Gary, even though they just met, so Gary could live out his dreams. But Gary turned that down and chose to stay by Marshall’s side.
It’s not sad. It’s an important lesson to learn. If you hold on too hard to someone you love… You crush them. Your hurt them. Love can be a double-edged sword. And it needs to be wielded safely.
The "which" is not needed my man
@@percyross7612it's really nice that you could explain it in various examples. I still think Simon can learn something to try get Betty back, just from time to time, not obsessively,since he now can move on and can do whatever he wants. Because even if they needed some time without eachother it doesn't mean Betty should stay as a beyond galaxy level god that doesn't have full control of herself. So it's both Simon living his life, but not completely forgetting about Betty.
One thing to remember for people wondering why she called Simon an experience, Just moments before this, Betty sent Simon 1000 years into the future. Essentially that means Betty is basically like prismo now, Time and space means nothing to her. ther'es no such thing as distance, no such thing as time. Heck even this "memory", it's completely red. That's probably because the one remembering it isn't simon, it's betty, and she's projecting that memory so Simon can join in. At this point, Betty has already most likely relived this memory thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of years. Look how many tetrix blocks she has over her head, now remember who she made into one of those blocks, THE LICH. Imagine if every one of those blocks is a lich, that means Betty has been to and probably eaten dozens if not hundreds of universes. This Betty is OLD, MUCH older than Simon. The memories Simon has of her are still fresh, but to her, this is the distant past. For Simon, this is a sorrowful seperation, for Betty, this is just another rerun of a memory she's probably recalled.... countless times.
To him, she is everything, because in his world that's all there can be.To her this is just another.... really painful tuesday. Except this time, it came with a present that she's always wanted, always needed. And now, finally, she can be set free.
Golb remembered being summoned to Ooo, and when she was, she was rejoined with the aspect of herself called betty, and was glad, because being betty was a good experience.
Golb remembered when the man she loved as betty came to her void, and when he did, she showed him what she wished him to know, both his mistakes, and that she had no regrets, because they were good experiences.
Yes and that is a kind of sad, but she at least doesn´t have any regrets
Those blocks existed around golbs head before he was fused with Betty, I think it’s likely each one of those had been a “scholar of golb” and each one is met with the truth that you can’t appease chaos, it doesn’t want anything and so there’s nothing that will satisfy it.
>"There is no distance for her"
>"to her this is the distant past"
I DON'T GET IT ANYMORE
wow. reading this almost made me cry…fantastic analysis and commentary on this scene and their relationship that i had not broken apart yet
She sacrificed everything for Simon. She got the short end of the stick. But at least he got to say goodbye. Does this mean he gets to move on?
Now that he got to say goodbye properly to his beloved, he will live again to the fullest
Not move on because betty is and will always be the love of his life. But he will start living again
It’s what Simon wanted back when the crown first lost power. A chance to properly say goodbye.
Betty got the end of the stick but for his transgressions against her, simons retribution came in the formof suffering within a crown that drove him mad for well over afew thousands years. He has paid for his crimes he committed to Betty 1000 fold. But just like real life prison, you don't come out the same person, and neither do the people you left behind. Sometimes the best thing you can do is acknowledge things simply won't be the same again.
@@tsunertoo9149 crimes? Maybe you didn't watch the episode properly but Simon didn't do anything to her. Everything she did was her choice. The writers clearly had an anti-Simon agenda but I saw through it
What I enjoy about this show the most is its emotional maturity.
Most other adult animated series really miss the mark when trying to convey mature storylines, but it took an Adventure Time Spin-Off the show how it's done.
we need bojack clones rather than family guy clones
*Bojack Horseman or *Final Space
@@gonhunter3994or lower decks
@chora3rd460 I'd argue even bojack falls short, portraying wackiness and complete emotional damage as the norm. But the reality for a lot of people is having a routine and just hating life, like Simon at the beginning. Not being a complete narcissist, like bojack
to be fair, this is an adult spin-off, the show is allowed to get away with more
"...but I don't have any regrets."
When Betty said this, my vision instantly became blurred from the river of tears that flowed from my eyes. Simon realized that he could've been more thoughtful of her and she gave him this reassurance that there was nothing to forgive or even change because she was happy with the life she had with him. Even in the end, she was still saving Simon somehow. Simon got to live his life after being Ice King for so long and I'm very happy for him.
It's bittersweet.
What's crazy though is that if you think about it, this show managed to show us that though Simon and Betty made mistakes. Their choices actually led to the best outcome for the world.
If Simon had gone with Betty, he would not have found the crown. He would have died and vampires would have ruled the world with Marceline as their star.
If Betty had left without Simon. She would probably just have been. "The dead one." in his mind, there is no true relation and Simon would have become the Winter King.
Their love was never going to result in everlasting happiness for them... But it did save the world in more ways than one.
That legit clicked everything for me. All their choices lead to the Ooo that it is, while all the other branched out timeline multiverses presented to us in the show were direct consequences of their choices.
you’re so smart I never thought of it that way
i might be confused or something due to the lack of information from the og series cuz i wasn't watching it chronologically but there is that one moment of backstory where Simon is wearing crown on the street and shooting with ice powers aiming at the sky, and betty and he's also shouting something like"where are you betty, my princess" and she is like running away, when does that happen on the timeline?
@@highward5292 Ooooh, all the way back when Simon put on the crown for the very first time.
So yeah basically Simon put on the crown all the way thousands years before the plot of Adventure time.
It instantly made him mad and Simon began screaming and shouting while Betty ran, with Simon running after her shooting ice and calling for her.
In the next moment though, FUTURE Simon opened a Time Portal with the intention of seeing Betty one last time. Only for Betty to jump through this very time portal to be with future Simon a thousand years into the future, and leaving past Simon who had only just put on the crown for the first time, behind.
As it happened though future Simon was dying because the crown had been drained for magic, and by the end of the episode they manage to get the magic back, which meant that future Simon turned back into Ice King immediately and Betty now stuck in the future started on her travel to save Simon from the crown.
@@MoonPhantom Oh thanks for explenation i was confused with that moment before, thank you!
I…kinda like the fact Betty and Simon didn’t get a happy ending in a sense. This was bittersweet because that’s what life is. We make choices that change our lives and we make mistakes that we wish we could take back and that’s okay. Life isn’t about always wishing you could go back and correct your mistakes, it’s about learning from the mistakes so you don’t make them again. Life isn’t about wallowing in the pain and shut out everyone you love, it’s excepting the pain and using it to push yourself forward. We can’t fix or change things anymore then we can change the sun from setting. We all live, we all get hurt, we love, we gain, we lose and……we always keep going.
And hey we may not be able to get a fairytale story book happy ending but, we can at least work towards having a good ending to our lives
What wonderful words. You made me cry, man. I think finn once said that life is good and bad, it's everything. I hope you live a beautiful one. Thank you.
Very good insight about life my friend.
Was it pointless? Sure it may not have been a happy ending but look at how far Simon came despite all the pain and the loss. His journey helped him realize his mistakes and he used those lessons to not only learn to accept what happened but help to save Fiona and cakes world. So no the journey wasn’t pointless it was just complicated
@@designationc6042You sir took the words out of my mouth. Because it’s true, life is not a fairy tale and bringing Betty back would just ruin the scenery many couples face after they lost a loved one.
going through something difficult and this is exactly what I needed to hear right now. thank you
Simo's girlfriend turned into the eldritch god of chaos
that's rough buddy
Betty’s boyfriend turned into an ice wizard with magic dementia
That’s rough buddy
i think he's also cursed with immortality, even without the crown. considering he should've withered away already and death himself saying that he had that one chance or he'd be around till the sun explodes, so billions of years.
And definitely the Most Powerful One out there....
"My girlfriend turned into a lovecraftian eldritch monster."
"...That's rough buddy."
@@orektezHe’s not. Back when Simon, Betty, and Finn were inside golb they started regressing back into their original forms as they were being digested by golb. In short he was just turned younger and is now living a normal human lifespan.
“We could’ve made better ones, but I don’t have any regrets”
God that nearly made me tear up. She loves him so damn much
I cannot stress enough how poignant the exchange "You were a wonderful experience" "You were everything" is. For Betty, Simon used to also be everything, but she's no longer Betty, she's GOLB, the god of chaos. For an existence so unfathomably large like that, Simon really is just a happy memory that spans just a few years on a mind that time itself bends around, but it is and it'll always be a happy memory. And for Simon, after he lost Betty his life became the same as being dead, every time he sacrificed himself and everything he ever worked for was for the sake of making things right by Betty, to go down a spiral of selfish selflessness just like her without even noticing it. He never once could accept how much his own life mattered both to him and those that loved him, only Betty mattered. Now they're both free, they can piece together their own shattered lives however they please.
EDIT: Apparently the text on the Bus after it switches from airport reads "comet". Betty has become a catalyst comet and is probably reincarnated now.
This is the best analysis I’ve seen so far 😭
You coining the phrase "selfish selflessness" really hits the nail on the head of Simon's feelings for Betty.
It's also reassuring that Simon is forever immortalized in eternity as an actual god looks back on their memories of him being a wonderful experience.
for some reason this is sad to me but im happy for both of them at the same time, i wish they could’ve talked longer but i think they said all they needed to
I fucking hate misinformation. The one who "decoded" this used total nonsense. But everyone who saw it ran with it and think themselves "special" for "figuring it out"
This is honestly so sad.
Betty and Simon love each other to death, meant to be but from Simon losing his sanity and Betty sacrificing herself to save the man she loves. And what Beth made the comment of Simon choosing Casper's choices instead of choosing Nova's.
I think it was a Hint that Simon prefer his options and Betty following his options.
THEY'RE SO WHOLESOME
It was sadly a hint that the relationship wasn't as perfect and as ideal as everyone including Simon thought it was.
Thought not directly Simon led Betty down a pretty self destructive path where she eventually literally gives up everything all for him. That isn't necessarily love, or it can be but it is also 100% obsession.
Betty dedicated her life to this one man, and though he was a good man.
It wasn't the best decision for her to make, but she made it. And she is done with looking back.
=NOPE,U'VE MISSED THE POINT..........WHAT WOULD VE CHANGE IF SIMON SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR BETTY INSTEAD?
=LIKE.........WHY NOT SIMON WOULD VE SAY THERE LIKE "AHHHH SCREW *EVERYTHING* IF OUR INTERESTS DIFFER SO MUCH, LETS GO TO WENDY'S I'VE HEARD THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING NEW"......GOT IT???...NEUTRAL GROUND....
@@robotnikkkk001why are you talking like this
@@Lazy-Lizard
They might be a child. Or at least they are mentally.
@@therestinghornet6906 true but from what I see Betty doesnt regret anything and just hope for the best for Simon while its pretty wholesome in a way it still very sad the fact Simon finally realise all this happen because he oblivious to Betty love obsession is as hard as his own love for Betty(for anyone say he doesnt he literally prepare to commit suecide because he got nothing better to do and dont forget he use all of his knowledge to open portal to golb knowing full well he might be die and he did it only to be able talk to his beloved) I wish that Simon can find meaning in his life and not trying open portal to golb again he cheat death once I dont think he gonna be that lucky next time
It is through our mistakes and failures that we learn the most valuable lessons in life. I am proud Simon finally understood.
Yeah :,)
truer words have never been said
@@Deflamed_Sphere Actually these are the words from a Sith Lord.
@@vitorpereira9515oh…still a good quote
So niilist 😞
Im sorry I know this a deeply emotional scene but there was something insanely funny to me about...golb politely sitting on a bus
Same
I felt like I was the only one that found that funny
My horrible wife riding public transit
just the usual sight of god of chaos sitting on a bus, nothing to see here she has places to be
idk i thought it was kind of unsettling how the vibe immediately shifted after the bus sign changed to those demonic symbols
I think thay people saying that Betty is not the same, kinda missed the point. She is herself, she became a god and gain a better perspective of the events in the past. While Simon was a meare experience to a god, she was everything. And that's okay, is a closure, they loved eachother but Simon was naive and selfish, and thats normal; Betty was the tree that gives, she became a stump and has nothing left.
They both grew up
"They both grew up" was exactly what I thought. Betty is both not the same AND the same person, in the sense that you as a child and you as an adult are the same, but different people. Simon is to her is what a childhood dream is to all of us, a beloved memory that we will always look fondly on while also knowing we have no place or belonging in that world anymore. As she said, he was a wonderful experience- it may have been short, but there is emphasis on the wonderful.
@@cheeseplate7844 You could not have said this more perfectly
Like Shermy said, "you're still a kid"
@@cheeseplate7844this comment emotionally stung me probably cuz of the stress in my mind right now but thanks for the read.
@@cheeseplate7844No, she turned into an eldritch being. That’s why her “wonderful experience” contrasts heavily with his “you were everything”. The sheer difference in consciousness is so astounding, it’s inhumane.
Whilst as an adult you may look back to your childhood with a heavy longing, Betty’s scenario isn’t anything alike as she’s become utterly inhumane. And will continue down this path of chaos.
It’s the worst ending for her.
Betty might've fused with Golb for several years now but thinking about how golb is literally an omnipresent being. Golb is chaos itself. It exist in every universe, every dimensions and every timeline. That amount of knowledge alone would destroy everyone's mind. But since betty fused with golb she could handle it, but in exchange she also lost her humanity. For her to say to simon "You were a wonderful experience" She was being literal, her sense of awareness and understanding is eldritch. Like imagine she could see colors we humans could not see, she could understand concepts humans could never thought of. She could feel everything and anything all the time at the same time. Literally everything everywhere all at once. Simon to her really was just an experience and thats what makes this tragic 😭
Simon is an Experience to a being that probably had never had an experience in its existence.
@@SpottedHares or had or will have had experienced any or every experience anyone or anything could ever have
@@SpottedHares He is a "Wonderful" experience to be in fact.
@@giuk1987 But even out of all the countless experiences that she's ever had as one with GOLB, her experience with Simon still stands very much as a wonderful one and she doesn't regret it at all.
Its tragic, but in a way - also wholesome.
You're over thinking this. Ymif you've had past relationships that didn't workout, they can be good or bad experiences
i love the little details in this scene. like how in this version when simon hugs betty she lands on the same level as him, meanwhile in the real scene she lands on the step below him, implying how they were never on equal footing in the relationship
so subtle but so great, despite their flaws they’ll always be my favourite couple in the show besides pb and marcy. i love them
AMAZING CATCH.
Good eye!
Thanks for pointing this out!!! I thought no one else did I was scrolling for a while 😭
I remember watching the initial scene and thinking it was weird that she was on the lower step. Didn’t think any deeper beyond that. So cool you pointed that out and made the connection. Also that was a good king krule album
My grandmother passed away a few weeks ago when this show started and ultimately i feel like it’s shown ways we grieve and how to cope with loss.. life will move on and out loved ones lost would want us to live it to the fullest.
sorry to hear that, hope you can make some time for yourself to grieve properly and then when you feel a bit better move on. lost my gran last year too and I still think of her now
Sending ❤
Ok
My condoleances
@@ryangraper Right
What if we did things differently? A question that haunts each and every one of us, sooner or later 😟
i am glad they both beautifully ended up accepting that though, and that neither were really to blame
Like Betty said, I have no regrets
What's great is that we saw what would have happened.
But that doesn't matter now, they made their choices and Simon still has a life to live, a second chance. And he now finally gets that
The universe prob would’ve ended cuz Simon and Betty being in Ooo was crucial to Golb being defeated
@@realplayaf Not necesarily. Betty was the cause of Golb being summoned, noone else.
It's more so that several things could have changed for a more positive outcome:
1) Simon could have gotten on the boss, and chose to help Betty in some of her pursuits instead of his own
2) Simon could have found a better way then constantly diverting to the crown (Heck, because of point 1, he may not have ever found the crown)
3) Had Betty stayed in her timeline, they could have actually gotten the proper goodbye they were looking for much sooner, without the latter events occuring
He loved her just as much as she loved him. It's just that he need help more than she did, and she willingly jumped for the love of her life. She always will. She's happy to see Simon safe and would do anything to keep him that way. I'm sure Simon will let the world freeze if it meant saving Betty. She may have missed her trip, but I'm willing to bet that they made even better memories together after they became official and up until Simon put on the crown.
Finally someone sees it this way. They were both crazy in love for each other yet people act like Simon is some kind of narcissist who let Betty make him the center of her life without reciprocating. She chose to stay with him without any pressure and they were happy. They don't get to spin "I kinda wish I could be by your side all the time" into "she had her own plans, but was ok doing what he wanted too" in the span of two episodes. Now, tragic outcome aside, I genuinely think anyone who calls their pre-war relationship toxic has issues not with them, but just with the concept of love.
THIS. THIS. THIS. Betty never missed her trip. Betty loved Simon. How many days, months, years did Betty and Simon have together before Simon lost his mind to the crown. Wasn't that worth something. Betty jumped through the weird wormwhole because she loved Simon. Betty Sacrificed herself because she loves Simon. Everyone forgets the scene where they are just sitting with each other in the fireflies, the first time they realize they love each other. That was the bus she always wanted to make. Like the OP said, Simon always needed more help and he was blessed to have people who loved him help him along in his life. We'd all be lucky to have a Betty in our life.
God I hope there's another chance for Simon and Betty.
yeah i feel like people should be talking about this more @@emillkim13
I like when Simon asks Betty where she's going, Betty's face just spells out "I have no f-ing clue"
Она станет каметой
This scene makes me feel emotional. I can tell betty still cares for simon.. even if she's not herself anymore
She risked everything to bring Simon back from insanity even costing her own life and becoming the golb. Simon was a fool not to realize what he had done until it was too late.
But sometimes people learn stuff the hard way.
@@Mrcharles. yeah
God, her smile at 0:49 when she's waiting for him to talk, another moment where its really her and not entirely golb.
It fucking killed me
Ngl that last scene when Betty looks at the destination sign saying "airport" switching to some incomprehensible runes then suddenly appearing as GolBetty was terrifying
To me it wasn’t terrifying, just felt complete sadness :(
I keep seeing comments about how the sign changing into something that was incomprehensible to both Simon and the audience is the fact that she’s going somewhere he can’t follow her to. A possible afterlife, another world, another universe, who knows? Not us, not Simon, and maybe that’s a way for all of us to move on?
Fun fact it's actually the language of the enchiridion and says comet, which is why we see the red cube and green pyramid turn into an apple with a bow, she has reincarnated after sending simon home, she is at peace
@@leanmeanmarceline5196 Since we see two specific future Land of Ooo residents in episode 8, I am willing to bet that Simon and her get to reincarnate since Marcalene and Bonnabel have each other for support. Simon can be comfortable living his life until it's end with the good people he surrounds himself with as Simon. Distant Lands showed us how death works along with reincarnation after all.
The cypher means 'Comet', aparently this show has CIA codebreakers fans
1:35 just chills me to the bone for some reason.
The silent yet deep droning in the background, the sudden replacement of Betty with Golbetty, everything is just so unsettling
As sad as the events of Simon going after the Crown were, it's best to remember that without that journey he never would have found a certain crying orphan child and been the surrogate father she needed during the worst days of her life.
It is really impressive how Betty's love for Simon is more powerful than the God of destruction himself and she can control him just to fulfill that wish.
i really love how Golbetty tried it's best to show how much it cares for Simon, while at the same time sounding like a extra terrestrial. It can't feel like a human any more, and i think it tried it's best to demonstrate such to Simon. Even if it knows what Simon wants.
Its insane that after all these years we finally have a proper conclusion to Simon and GolBetty that feels not only profound but also emotionally mature
Just wanna thank the team of writers and animators behind this for making such a good episode and also the voice actors. Tom Kenny killed it
I really hoped they could've been together somehow - maybe exploring and discovering things together across the universe. It's cruel that she's stuck like this forever - long after Simon dies and nobody speaks her name anymore.
At this point it’s implied Betty’s been Golb for a long time. Not just like 12 years. Time is abstract to her at this point
Maybe in another universe
@@danatedawg1018and to be fair even though it’s not what she planned who says she’s miserable
@@kikitiki6305who says she feels anything anymore
@@AJTheInvisibleGirlRight here when she talks to Simon and stuff shows she still feels and still enjoys the fond memories, but she probably just feels in a way beyond our comprehension, like the whole existing outside of abstract that is space and time
I liked the underlying message of this series, alternate realities based on certain decisions and leading ultimately to Simon figuring out what decision he could’ve made differently
I mean tbh, he did make decent choices given Ooo is the way it is. Had he not gotten the crown, or had Betty not been with him, a bunch of those apocalyptic universes we saw would have happened.
the point the show depicted what was fundamentally wrong with their relationship. It was immature and impulsive from both ends there was a lack of communication and idealizing. The reason the show hits close for adults is the fact that most of us have outgrown immature superficial love like that and know how to build strong foundations romantically. It was clearly stated in the show that betty was in fact "obsessive". Which means she didn't fully engage with Simon as a person neither. Simon found his love from someone who supported him and Betty found it in someone she admired. But it lead to impulsive decisions
Notice how fionna went from being immature and wanting the world exactly how she wants it and the through the series she learned to receptive to everyone else because she literally does not live in her own little world. When she visited other peoples worlds and acted impulsively she ended up regretting it. Things go better when you incorporate what others want to do and what you want to do and meet somewhere in the middle. Her world is still normal but there is a blend of magic. cake gets to keep her autonomy. Marsh and pb gets to stay together and so on.
Edit: I feel the need to say this both Betty and Simon were full consenting adults and it seemed like Betty was doing a graduate study thing. I'd understand blaming Simon if Betty was significantly younger but she wasn't. Betty should have spoken up and prioritized herself as well and Simon should have made an effort so that Betty know there is room for her to be her own person. But like the lich Simon was so obsessed with his study he lost hold of what was important. But in a way so did Betty .
I do think there was a bit of an age gap, but it never seemed like Simon used that. More that he didn't quite realize how much Betty depended on him
I feel like if Betty was atleast in her mid twenties and Simon probably was late twenties or early thirties. Simon got his doctorate and I believe if betty was doing an exploration trip she was probably pursuing her Phd. which puts her in the mid twenties age. So a full adult with her frontal lobe developed. And Simon was most lilely just giving a lecture at her school but was not her professor. This is why i feel like the age gap probably was not an issue I made that comment because there were some comments blaming simon. Acting as though betty had no autonomy and did not make decisions as a grown woman. infantilizing her and her choices in a way. (I want to make this clear I dont think you are saying this but some other comments were)
I think Simon dropped the ball in letting betty have a place in the relationship to express her desires and I feel like betty dropped the ball in not taking initiative in stating what her desires were. There was no communication between the two of them @@carlycrays2831
i would pretty much agree, there was an age gap, but it wasnt like a professor student, it was more like a normal co-worker gap, because he is clearly still fairly young seeing he hasnt greyed (average age for men greying in the US is 30s) so hes at most early-mid thirties, and since shes a PHD student and the average (in the america) being in the 25-33 year old age range, they more than likely were fairly close in age, with the furthest gap being probably betty around her mid 20s and simon in his very early 30s, and the closest they are within like 2-3 years, so I highly doubt their age plays a role in the relationship but rather who they are to each other in a professional sense.
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@@MakotoOPT
I can't belive these charchters broke me emotionally in 2 DIFFRENT FINALLES WE CANT KEEP LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS
It breaks my heart and melts it back together that even as a part of golb, this instrument of chaos across realms, that Betty can still show humanity and sympathy. “You were a wonderful experience.” Even while part of a god of chaos, she manages to give Simon one last adoring thought.
The best part about adventure time is that you dont really feel like it ended, the first ending on the original series teaches you that it really never ends even after someones death, there will be always stories to be told and a life worthliving, even if this is the last bit of AT that we eill ever have, the adventure really never end and there will be always something worth living for
Every moment he wanted to say goodbye got interrupted by either the crown, magic, time shenanigans, all either resulting in one or the other sacrificing thenselves for the other till it culminated into this a final goodbye where they got their feelings out, regrets and thoughts before being able to move on
The “you were a wonderful experience” is sometimes the key to love. It may not last forever but the lessons you learnt from it are far more benei
"You were a wonderful experience" 😭
The first thing that came to my mind in this scene was in the “Jerry” episode, where Simon tells his story with Betty to Fiona, and in this exact part she asks him: “Did you get the bus with her?”. And Simon’s instantly said “No? Why would I do that?”. I think That’s interesting to see that they gave us some “foreshadowing” of the story from episode 9 and how Simon, besides loving Betty so much, didn’t thought that much about her and her life
It's not that. It's more of "Why would I just randomly tag along on her trip without packing any bags or buying a ticket?" His main thing was to confess his feelings for her, but he also has a hard time expressing himself.
Im glad that betty and simon both got the closure they deserved and accepted the consequences of their choices. It may not be the story book ending they wanted but its a powerful message about accepting the outcome of your decisions while being able to appreciate the past even if things didn't turn out the way you wanted. Its learning to let go and move forward without holding on to the pain of loss. All in all this is the most fitting resolution for the both of them who loved each other so much they almost destroyed themselves. There was no way either of them could have truly be at peace if they didn't know the other was going to be okay and it just goes to show how well this show illustrates how facing the challenges life gives you and meeting them with accountability, acceptance,and learning from and appreciating your past experiences will help you heal
The fact that they were doomed no matter what... even if Simon were more considerate and he did indeed never find the crown, he would have died along with Betty when the Mushroom War started, and no one would have been there to raise Marceline aside from vampires. His selfishness ironically doomed his relationship but saved Ooo 😢
He probably still would've found the crown, but he only put it on to make Betty laugh. Maybe in the vampire World he never met Betty and therefore never wore the crown, as we can see he died as a normal human
Not exactly.
That's basically the concept of how parallel worlds work. Every choice you make creates alternate 'branches' that can lead to 'endings' that aren't necessarily 'good' or 'bad'.
Like you said, if Simon didn't find the crown and went with Betty's choices, there could have been possible worlds where he and Betty die, and Marceline would be raised by Vampires to mirror the alternate world where she became 'The Star'. There also could have been world where he doesn't find the crown, but the Mushroom War never happens and Ooo never exists.
Conversely, worlds where Simon DOES find the crown while going with Betty's choices may still end up as twisted as the Winter King's world, or could be a 'happy ending for everyone'.
That's why I sort of think Betty said "We made our choices. We could have made better ones. But, I don't have any regrets.". Because she understood that while there could have been 'better' choices that could have resulted in a better 'ending' for them, there was also the chance that things could have been 'worse' for them than how things turned out now.
He wasn't selfish. He was oblivious.
The hopeless romantic in me is in anguish. Yes I know that it’s healthier for Simon to move on and get therapy, but I would’ve loved for him and Betty to get a happy ending. Especially since now she has to live eternity floating in an endless black void alone. So he’ll just grow old and die to leave Betty alone for eternity? And he’s ok with that? Just wish he could’ve saved her or lived by her side for eternity doing what she wanted.
i expect him to be the new litch use whatever power to get betty again by becomeming golbs scholar
or just golbs scholar for eternity so they can still be together but in new forms
@@haux522 I would’ve preferred that tbh
@@haux522Yea but that’s not an ending either. The Lich worships Golb but Golb is still a god. As Golb, Betty would never truly love Simon and as the Lich Simon would be a force of pure evil. This is literally the best outcome
@@parkerd2919I think the entire point was to show that there really isn't a happy ending to this, and adventure time is known for quite a few dark stories..many characters don't all have it good in the end
we are lucky Simon at least got some form of a healthy way forward
it's sad yeah but it'd kind of remove the entire impact/consequence of Betty making that wish
Can I say that definitely ripped my heart apart, put it back together and then actually pierce through it and my soul?? *No just me? That’s fair*
Me too, me too
Not for me sadly
I lost my dog right before the final episode. I thought I'd feel like Finn when it finally happened, but Simon showed we should be thankful.
Still can’t get over how incredibly well written this show is.
I think Golb gained something precious when Betty fused with them, and that precious thing triggered change in an immortal being.
Golbetty is off to have an adventure of their own somewhere else.
Even though we'll never know what that adventure will be like, I just know it'll be a fun one.
It kills me that that Simon realized his mistake too late and they couldn’t get their happily ever after. But at the same time, with that comment about the crown, I think we already got to see the timeline where they handled their relationship better…and it was not good.
Yeah, for better ir worse, the timeline Simon exists in is one of the better ones because of the questionable choices Simon and Betty made.
without what they went through he would never have found the crown and lived the bomb also the vampires get a demon
Considering all that happened as a result of them falling in love and Betty choosing to go with Simon. Their love saved all of OOO.
Wow Tom Kenny did a fantastic job as Simon. I hope he has more roles like this in the future. I mean he is the voice of SpongeBob but I really enjoyed his performance as Simon
Idk if I’m making sense here. He’s able to give an emotional performance as Simon but as Ice King and SpongeBob he’s silly goofy most of the time
Yep I understand you it’s really different seeing him act like a normal character
Tom Kenny is S tier
Tom is a gift. I'd love to hear more grounded roles from him.
same, I guess it shows how talented he is
I like how this parallels what Betty did in the original series. This time instead of changing the date of her own ticket it’s Simon who let’s her do what she wants. Although in both cases neither really changed the past it’s about acceptance. She already realized how codependent the relationship was years ago and waited for Simon to finally catch up.
I don't agree with the idea that betty no longer cares about simon. When she says, "You were in amazing experience," It's because she's viewing their relationship and their love through the eyes of a god. It's not that she doesn't care. She just has a dramatically different perspective on things.
No, I think her perspective is that of a human who’s gone beyond the need for trying to possess someone and trying to be good enough and just letting go and appreciating the experience, something we should all strive for
This may be paranoid, but with the music change and glyphs, it feels more open ended on Golbetty’s fate.
The words reads 'Comet'
@@22espec Reincarnation perhaps
@@22espec I have a feeling this isn’t the last we see of either Golb or Betty
Man, this episode revealed so much about Simon. He didn't really "deserve" to be with Betty again due to him just now realizing how much she gave up for him, but then again he didn't deserve to be a crazed old man still thinking of Betty in some way, Ice King or not. I'm glad they went with the most mature and realistic option being for them to both move on with the way things were. They both grew from the time they spent with each other and don't regret any decisions, even if they did make mistakes.
The bus sign changing to whatever higher plain of existence Betty is at was really cool. Lovecraftianesque horror trope
It says 'Comet'
@@22especno it fucking doesn't - show me the cipher that means it does. It doesn't match the runic code in AT, and assuming it means comet means that previous cypher texts would be broken
They both made sacrifices for love.
But their sacrifices gave birth to happier outcomes for Ooo. Simon SAVED Marceline, and his influence shaped the world. Humans survived, vampires disappeared, and he was able to save a hidden universe. Betty not only saved Simon, but also saved the world from Golb’s wrath.
I remember when AT ended, I wanted Simon to save Betty and live a happily ever after love story. But this ending was so adult and real. Sometimes happy endings don’t mean the same thing. Simon can now live his life and enjoy his freedom. And Betty’s destiny is just beginning.
These two truly made the series wonderful.
Betty became a god. Its still her, but different. Shes got insane perspective and vast eldritch knowledge. She probably understood what faults the relationship had in the past and accepted them, but also accepted her own actions and moved on. Shes pretty much ascended past human capacity.
But even then, in her new form which is ageless, timeless, limitless, she still remembers Simon. And she still remembers how wonderful their love was. Thats incredible to me that even in godhood, she still holds that experience close to her. Yes its tragic, but now they BOTH can move forward in their new lives knowing it was all real and that it was wonderful.
Simon is such a Chad. Casually talking to a god fused with his lover, he got further in conversation with Golbetty then the lich could ever accomplish.
This fricking scene turn me into a fricking waterfall NOT TEARS
this is something i wasn’t ready to see
but it happened
simon ends up understanding now. that is good
is it just me or do i wish we couldve gotten more of like the things betty sacrificed for simon in cheers? The episodes were good but i just feel as if they could have had more simon instead of fionna and cake. I get they are the main and titicular characters but still. There should have been atleast 1 or 2 more episodes or maybe extend cheers a bit to like a 44 minute episode exploring more simon and betty. The episode was good just kinda dissapointed not gonna lie.
Yeah I hate when finales don’t feel like a finale instead written like a normal 22 minute episode.
I KNOW LIKE ADVENTURE TIME ALSO DID THAT WITH COME ALONG WITH ME BUT IT STILL HAD ITS FINALE MOMENTS
Also the title card and theme for cheers was way too like jumpy, made it feel like a regular normal extended adventure time episode
Would have destroyed the entirety of fionna and cake if most of it was of Simon
It's good how they did this they conveyed both journeys of mostly all the memorable characters of adventure time
@pyroticphoenix1846 I get what your saying, but I feel as if simon and betty should've had an episode focused for themselves showing everything betty sacrificed for simon and how much pain she also felt whilst doing so because it feels like some choices simon made sort of made betty upset
I’m glad this episode pointed out how unhealthy their relationship was, they were madly in love but they were slowly killing each other
I don't know if unhealthy, but something that is sure is that it sadly wasn't meant to be
I don't think it was unhealthy but Simon needed to learn that Betty wouldn't be herself ever again and they couldn't be together like they were before. He learned to cherish what he had and to move on with his life.
In what way did they slowly kill each other? Betty and Simon were always great together. It was at first the ice crown that changed Simon and then later it was the magic man hat that changed Betty. The show has a theme that you can not use magic to change destiny, or else you will suffer consequences. Simon saved Marceline with the ice crown, and the consequence was he changed into the ice king. Betty got brought to the future when they were looking at Simon's memories on Mars because she wanted to save Simon. Betty tried to save Simon with magic Man's power but turned into Mad Betty. Betty tries to work with ice king to undo the curse and summons golb. Finally Betty tries to save Simon and turns into Bolb (Betty golb).
They were never meant to be, but they never hurt each other or tore each other down. They had a great relationship and external factors fought against them. You watch too many badly written teen dramas.
I hate how this show *tried* to MAKE it unhealthy, because it's really not. A few bad choices does NOT mean it's an unhealthy relationship. It definitely could have been better, but it's nowhere near what you describe.
"Slowly killing each other" is like Jimmy and Kim from Better Call Saul. This? This is 2 people madly in love with each other, whose shortcomings were ignored by the other. And the fact that Simon needed to move on.
@@Crispifordthe3rd515Madly in love is the problem though. This was already somewhat explored near the end of Adventure Time with Betty when she sees her past self. She says along the lines "I given up so much for Simon. I don't know if there's any me left". The show isn't making out Simon out to be a bad guy; he was just in love like Beth said. But you can still be bad for someone without being a bad person. Still this scene is not saying Betty is a victim. Like she said, she made her choices. And she doesn't have any regrets. The point is that if you love someone, you got give them equal attention and position. And if you are madly in love with someone, you need to make time for yourself. Otherwise you can end up like Betty and Simon.
they deserved a better ending ☹️☹️ i love them so much
This ending was fine. People just wanted the cliche fairytale ending when it didn’t need to happen that way.
@@astrea4020 ok edgy nerd
@@astrea4020"🤓🤓🤓"
@@aimanimran4565How is that edgy? This ending was pretty happy all things considered. People wanted the entirety of Betty’s sacrifice to be nullified with bringing her back to human form so she could be with Simon which didn’t make a lot of sense given how impactful it was. It would’ve been too cookie cutter to have that happen
Dude, Golbetty truly is the most terrifying experience in the show. Her humanity stripped from her as she accepted the duty of basically being Golb, everything that’s happened in Betty’s story is so depressing.
They truly loved each other, but as Beth said it wasn’t on equal footing
Love isn't sacrificing your lifes work to support someone.
tell your truth sweetie
hell yeah, give enough for yourself, or balance each other's efforts
But it also isn't to not sacrifice anything or to not do your part to support someone, yes, love is sacrifice too, but it has to be from both sides
Did anyone notice the stair, betty stood on? In episode 8, where we saw this scene the first time, betty stood, after the hug, one step lower than Simon, and now, after he realised his mistake, they both stand on the top of the stairs. I don't know, but i think that was intentional.
It was definitely intentional
i know this ain't a disney movie but i swear what i would've given to have simon just give betty a little goodbye smooch BUT NOPE-
was waiting for this to happen to or maybe simon would say a final i love you to betty but its wtv
"I can't believe men don't cry after watching the Titanic"
"Do men even have feelings?"
Men:
One of the most tragic things about this is that, had things been different, Betty and Simon would've just died in the war.
1:42 Why did I laugh at Golb taking the bus?
Please let this guy have a happy ending
Im crying when "everything in you" came out with the episode it sounded like it was sung from bettys perspective, but putting the whole show into perspective and the enterity of lyrics, its applicable to simon as well
"youve got my heart, my everything is you"
Don’t be sad that she’s gone. Be happy Simon and Betty got to love each other.
“Were an experience” & “were everything” means a lot … & I don’t think it means they devalue each other. Betty moved on with a new purpose & Simon realised how important Betty was. They might as well both said “u were an experience & everything,” bc it’s true. But this highlights the important revelations.
At least, I’ll think this way bc I want 2 believe Betty is Golb. Golb can have emotions & develop.
You forget the "wonderful".
It's "You were a wonderful experience", not "You were an experience", I say this because the difference is very important
This is one of the greatest scenes in the whole show.
Poor bastard. Spent thousands of years unknowingly pining for Betty, than when he's sane again she has to sacrifice herself to save him, and now she's too detached from the mortal experience and he has to let her go
hope Simon can move on and find someone else to be happy with
I feel like the show overlooked that if Simon DIDN'T find the crown, the world would be destined to be the same as the vampire world or the extinct world.
That's just one outcome of many tho.
@@elenadominguez4517 Just saying it seems like in the grand scheme of things, it is better for Simon to become the Ice King than him not. With how much the spin off seemed to want to kick Simon around, especially with this weird new take on his relationship with Betty, acknowledging all the good he did just by raising Marceline would have been a refreshing breath of air.
@@SuperSwordman1yeah. Forget all the good deeds what Simon made and calling him a bad guy, feels weird.
Uh... This is Ice King's pattern. Everytime you wins, you always loose.
And also, Simon doesn't have any closure. He's just back to where he started with this weird smile. He should've more regret this "information" he got. And being sad, that noone goes to find him and nothing change.
i swear this episode was so goood but i wished we saw betty and simon together again
If the power of the crown was strong enough to do this, it stands to reason that the power of a new crown could undo it.
If Simon had kept the crown instead of throwing it away, he could have sought out a way (much like betty tried) to undo it, and reset it back to it's prime wishing state.
Then you know, ask to use PB as a magic battery (she is an elemental, and we've seen her survive worse), open a portal. Use the wish. Jump back in the portal and pray Golb doesn't follow.
@@ktm1125In theory he could have, but I'm pretty sure the whole point was to avoid Simon ever putting the crown on again considering the huge amounts of damage it had already caused before
there would have been some form of backfire for using it again
@@shazaz1059 No? The crown only did what it was told to do.
It's not inherently evil or bad or anything. But it's only as good as the wish you give it. So in it's prime wishing state, it's simply a blank slate.
Which would be the state in which Simon would put it on as to make the wish to undo GOLBetty.
@@ktm1125 Even if it could be used to undo Golbetty, there could be some unfortunate outcome to follow
such as base Golb being a potential threat again now that Betty isn't there to essentially keep the being in check
There's always been some drawback that occurs when using the crown for anything narratively...even Betty's wish despite the good it brought came at a cost
the crown's wishing power is almost never put to any 100% good use without any indirect consequence
There's problem solving, and then there's theme and story. You undo everything then what was the thematic point of all the tragedy
We saw how dedicated Betty was before she became Golb. Now the reserve happens abd Simon sees her as everything to him. Its deeply poetic and i love this story ❤️
(key word) was she was everything to him. He said was meaning past tents they are no longer together. Betty and Simon broke up and move on .
Simon not only changed from being the ice King but he also changed from his pre-ice king self
wait wouldn't it be bad if Simon never got the crown? it would be good if in another universe he did let betty do her own things but wouldn't just lead to the vampire world because he has no crown to protect himself after the war? at least maybe Simon would be happy in the short moment he had to live until he got sucked dried from a vampire
From the other universe we saw earlier, it might’ve happened that way. But that’s that universe. In the long run, it seemed to work out.
As betty says it herself, she has no regrets, even if things didn't turn out very well for either of them.
It's not just Simon who was obsessive and couldn't leave well enough alone, by the time of the series when she did it, Ice King lived a fairly happy life, was accepted by the greater community of Ooo, friends with his former arch enemy, reconnected with his estranged adoptive daughter, it was Betty who couldn't let go and summoned GOLB to "fix" him, even if she still hurt both of them.
Simon may be restored, but whether he should've been is really not something even Simon is sure of, but what happened, happened, and Betty has no regrets and is gonna do her own thing as GOLB now, while it's up to Simon to appreciate himself and his chance to figure out what he'll do.
@@hapytreefriends78 Yeah. It's not about who was at fault. Not about who held who back or what they could've done instead.
It's about accepting your choices and their consequences. And then moving on. I think this was a great ending for Simon's story.
In this universe, Marceline probably wouldn't have survived because it was he who saved her from those mutations
With no crown, the Vampire King couldn’t make it eternal night. So the world probably wouldn’t be as bad as Vampire world, but would still be worse than normal Ooo.
"I will always and forever be ruined by you "
I kinda relate to this story very much . I loved someone, my love ran deep and I thought so was my person but with time I felt that their love was seasonal. I stayed even when I was hurt and chose to believe that love was still there. A lie. My life arrived at a set of problems, i tried so hard to keep my life problems away because I didn't want to lose that" one best thing I had ". Love really got the best of me, I pretended to be blind for a while until one stormy day one argument made me realize how much of a fool I'd been. I'd never wish for anyone to hear those words from a person you love , it tore me down. I was left numb. I then decided that it was time to let go, I had been living a lie , my pain of swords no longer pierced me infact I became numb. I tried my best to be the best version for the person I loved but my love was so blinding instead they chose to close their eyes. And the day arrived I chose to stop watering dead plants, because my life needed more of me than anyone else. I needed myself. I made the best decision of my life and worst decision for my heart to walk away first, knowing I was in still in love with this person and would still be in love with this person but they'd never see my love. So I crushed this love with my own hands that had brought them into existence. It broke me , a part of me and I'm still healing. On the other hand, immature me took all the blame just because I didn't wanna hurt the person I loved like they'd destroyed me with their words. I knew my time was up, and it was time to let go. They never took responsibility, I never got a closure. I still wished that they too would taste the feeling of being so much in love and their love never being acknowledged.
Some days I regretted meeting this person, but now with years gone by I've realized that it's not love that I regret with this person, I would still love this person again , I would still break my heart again because it was worth it . Because I cane to know what love felt like , what pain felt like , the feeling of being broken but most importantly the feeling of getting up once again after the hurt. Although it took a long time and I'm still not over the pain , but it's happening. But for now my heart lies somewhere like an old book on the library shelves. Knowing that it will one day have a reader who will read all its pages without skipping it, who will smell those old dusty pages and love it. Till then it will lay there with dust collecting with time. This wait this healing will be one day worthwhile.
And I don't regret loving someone even though it ended in my life's greatest tragedy. I've moved on. I've stopped blaming the person , I've stopped blaming me. Love happened , together we did built something around love but with time , love only stayed with me.
Mature/Responsible outcome in respect to the choices they made but god this hurt like hell. Moving on is tough but at least both got closure and acceptance out of it. More than a lot of people get
You know, he could have just asked golbetty to eat the crown real quick to revert it back to normal and then wished to seperate betty and golb. Cause if a wish fused them then a wish can unfuse them
and then old Glob turns them both to Tetris pice's
@@Adam-jn7ncat least they die together 😂
@@Adam-jn7nc golb seems to not really do much unless you make him angry. He seems to just sit there and stare 90% of the time
You make it sound like Golb wishes are so simple. Betty took multiple tries to find a wish that would stop Golb from destroying Ooo and had to settle for a vague one that got interpreted into fusing Betty with Golb. A direct wish on Golb would likely fail again. Seems likely the only way to effect Golb with wishes from the crown is make them open ended. Similar to "However it has to happen. ...I wish for the power to keep Simon safe."
@@Teknanam And technically, its not what you say that even matters -- the crown interprets your thoughts, not words.
I really like this moment of Simon and Betty.
honestly really love this scene, the original series was so wrapped up in the tradgedy of the crown tearing apart these two lovers that their relationship was pretty idealised, only time i can think it wasn't was when magic betty was shown her past self prepping for her trip, but that was right before the finale where major events took over.
that's not an issue mind you it worked for adventure time for making ice king and betty investing characters, it did kinda leave betty one note though, but there were so many characters at that point it didn't really matter, but i'm glad they gotten time to explore bettys character more, both through simon reminising to fionna and golbettys interactions.
she's almost treating him like a child in a way, trying to tell him clear as day what she means when he has his mind set on sacrificing himself, while clearly still caring about him and protecting him in her care, it's almost errie in a way how her will has overpowered golbs, not giving litch the time of day while having full focus on simon with a much more delicate touch.
that's not to say golb is just betty now though, as everyones pointed out she's gained so much perspective that simon was an experience in her infinite life with an outside view of the multiverse, despite both of them being well into adulthood the shared memory really shows them as nieve lovers, and they both accept it as okay and go their seperate ways.
really glad they went in this direction, little disapointed we didn't see simon meet back up with marcaline noting she'd be panicked beyond belief at his disapearance and would've been distraught at him becoming iceking again. but the ending was nice, kinda wish it was spread across a longer epilogue but it was nice enough, got the job done.
such a great miniseries, big focus on the most emotional side story in the canon and all the side stories coverge into stories about acceptance. just absolutely amazing even if scarab recking havok then getting undone like 3 times at the end was a bit monotonous.
This series… finally wrapping up it’s only loose end. And what a heart wrenching loose end at that. Glad to see some closure. Broken to see Betty’s humanity torn from her when she ultimately saved Simon and Ooo from her desperate crazed self attempting to save Simon
For anyone who think this was Simon only imagining this, Simon’s memory of this had very normal, almost nostalgic colors. This scene shows the memory painted with red colors everywhere in the sky. Since everything was red, I think this scene was GOLBetty projecting the memory onto Simon so she could finally talk to him since I’m assuming GOLB as a being can’t physically speak. Additionally, this is most likely why the memory ended up so weird at the end, with the gibberish letters and GOLBetty taking the bus at the end.
Seeing betty golb in a small size is just so funny to me idk why
This scene left a hole in my heart and i Haven't felt the same since. Its like we were saying goodbye to a long time friend. One that grew up with us. Made us laugh cru and think beyond our mormal comprehension. Adventure time in itself was a wonderful experience and the The fan base that it created is everything that'll keep it alive
Love how Simon's "Everything" is literal since without Betty we wouldn't have the later seasons
they never gave us one more look at farm world Finn. i'm guessing the scarab really did kill him
Those poor orphans... who will look after Finn's other children now??
@@custodioMendoza55especially since the oldest most capable sibling just left to live in another universe 😭
He probably didn’t die Jay and lil destiny probably just wanted to run away and live a life away from the fathers who hate each other
With fictional characters never assume they’re dead until you see a body
I’m so glad they still love each other
Something I think is interesting is how everybody notices that she calls Simon an "Experience" but that's not the word she puts the emphasis on. The word that's important is that it's a WONDERFUL experience. She's not capable of love or even human emotion the way it could be commonly understood anymore, but despite that she still feels that her time with him was wonderful. It's not love, but you can't expect love to have meaning to something like Golb. You could easily say that this is something stronger than just conventional human love, since it transcended space and time to touch the very essence of a creature whose very existence is anathema to life itself.
It's a strangely beautiful sentiment. Simon (and this memory in particular) made a deep and profound impact on a literal god.
They would have been amazing parents
Its most tragic for Betty, at least Simon gets to die an possibly forget after reincarnation, Betty is both all powerful god and powerless prisoner for like forever.
She’s not really a prisoner. She’s literally a part of GOLB. Together they’re a new entity.
Keywords words is move on