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- Fan frets, Multiscales. So many guitar brands make them it can be confusing as to what do the different specs actually do.
Today I hope to answer some common questions about multiscale guitars.
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As a bass player, i think the more even string tension (especially on the low B) is the major selling point.
Intonation is what sells it for me
@@KeepTheGates agreed.
I´m super lazy and guess what; I wanted to said exactly what you posted right beneath the comment line. Thank you very much Sir.
Agreed, very handy for us bass players on 5, 6 stringers.
I've used an Ibanez SRFF for the better part of a year in a Death Metal band, where there's lots of movement on the first couple of frets. I enjoyed the string tension (we play in C# and I used the B string as a low G#), but I found the angled frets to be counterintuitive in these positions. Also, I regularly cut my finger on the sharp edge of the nut, so I ended up filing the edge off.
Long story short, I ended up going back to non-fanned frets, but i use a 35" scale bass.
I love that somebody is out there doing the hard work of dragging youtubers toward acting ethically. I think KDH is a man of integrity. That said, I am surprised to see him selling Monster's (or anyone's) frequency-specific cables, which I think are pretty widely regarded as snake oil. I am sure the are actually very nice cables, actually. I just mean the idea of needing specific cables for specific instruments. I actually thought it was a joke sponsor at first.
I find it oddly ironic that Monster Cables are your sponsor. love to see someone do a blind sound challenge with different cables. pretty sure everyone would fail too hear the difference. but id love to be proven wrong..other thing you never see a blind challenge on, fretboard wood, body wood
Yeah when it comes to electric and particularly distorted electric guitar, the wood doesn't matter. And yeah, a blind test on cables won't show much. High end cables are just snake oil.
I usually buy guitar cables for the durability/quality, not for the sound. Neutrik ends, and either Mogami, or the Gotham cable bought in bulk. It's not hard to put together a few quality cables, and Monster doesn't get to upcharge me.
On one of my guitars, only the cables with the neutrik plugs doesn't cut in and out as the cable moves. This is worth paying for.
@@kitten-whisperer I would say that the wood matters to an extent, or at least it can. I say this because I have a solid cherry telecaster body I made for a 1979 maple stratocaster neck. It's heavy, and I think because of this mass, it's got great sustain. My 1988 basswood Yamaha RGZ II is a very different guitar so it's hard to fairly compare, but played clean, I would probably say my home made strato-tele sounds better and rings longer... If only just a tad more.
But yeah, put enough gain on anything and it's just going to get lost in the fuzz. The Yamaha RGZ shredder guitar does just fine with high gain.
@@nuII128 don't get me wrong, I've had super cheap cables that break from just thinking about plugging them in. It definitely pays to get high quality cables but there's a ceiling on what's good and then it just becomes unnecessary but hey, to each thier own. If someone thought a cable was worth $200 because they rubbed dirt from Hendrix's grave on it then more power to those people.
@@jonnda that definitely is a thing. A nice dense wood with a quality bridge and nut and you'll be sustained for days. I know too many people who focus so much on tone wood that they haven't even tried many guitars because of the wood they heard is bad. I just can't wrap my head around limiting myself based on what you've heard from people instead of trying things out for yourself.
Monster Cables seems pretty antithetical to this channel, given the claims they make.
Right? First I thought he was joking... The last channel where I'd expect cable snake oil shit.
Haha yeah, just had a browse on their website for a laugh, and I'd love to know what makes their acoustic instrument cables specifically for acoustic instruments, or the bass cable specifically for bass. Still, his viewers seem to be smart enough to see through the marketing BS, and you can't blame a guy for wanting to get paid
@@krytenfivetwothreep2485 yup
Impeadence on a bass and a guitar is different though.
If a bass is designed with low impedance pickups does it make sense to use a high impedance cable with it?
I asked for them to send me a bass cable so I could check if they actually are different. They are.
@@KDH Perhaps you could do a video demonstrating the different cables then? That would be very interesting
The irony of being known for pointing out when youtubers are pissing in our pockets and then advertising monster cables... That's gotta hurt credibility....
Not a metalhead but i really like how Charlie Hunter uses 7 string multiscales
All the things in this video, I most appreciated how you said "Ibanez dived" instead of "Ibanez dove."
It reminded me of skateboarding when you say your friend “grinded that rail” instead of “ground that rail.”
I thought about the ergonomics, but string tension never crossed my mind.
You can solve "tension" problem easily by simply reducing your string gauge. For example Meshuggah uses 29.4 inch scaled neck and they are using 44-09 for the first six strings.
The ergonomic advantages only apply on very slight fans and depends on your playing style more than anything. Tension is the main factor in multi scale design.
@@eee-hi1kl Normal guitar neck is compromised, so it doesn't always help --> 2:00
@@arikuusela6716 i mean theres also the whole truss rod thing
You never tuned down your e-standard 6-string down to drop B I guess :D
Can feel already a little floppy on drop D on something like a 25.5" scale guitar ... at least on eights ;-)
Hi KDH. Me love u long time, u have a voice of trust, but can can u please do a video showing us the difference in sound using the various Monstercabel. I would love to see you do a video were you use a speakercable as an instrumentcable and viseversa, to really show how much of a difference there is. As you are "untouchable" to big business "buyins" and have a 100% objective voice on TH-cam, it would be so great to see you do a video to show how much audible difference it makes to chose the "right" cable. Yours truely, Espen/Oslo/Norway
Honestly kind of shocked to see a Monster sponsor on this channel. The claims they make about using different lengths and types of wire affect the sound in a non-audible way, and they charge an insane premium for that negligible, if existent difference. Would have expected you to debunk these cables tbh.
😁 I was waiting for him to go "psyche" or something... It's definitely not the end of the world, but when making a channel calling people out he will be held to higher standard..
This is a recurring issue with this channel. He's got a real blindspot regarding product promotion.
Monster are not even that expensive, they’re slightly above average in price for the high quality cable segment and far more sturdy than most cables. Their claims might be garbage, but the build quality is second to none.
Perhaps this could serve as a future video. It would be interesting to see if the claims can be proven in any appreciable way.
Great video man. I've always wanted an in-depth video explaining multi scale guitars. I probably won't buy one but I'm glad to know more about them.
thanks for this vid, i've been thinking a lot about getting a fanned fret, now everything is more clear
The monster cable sponsor is really ironic for this channel, I thought it was a joke at first. I think you better do a video testing those cables if you want to keep your credibility.
Yeah, in my experience they are really expensive and don't last like they are advertised to. Is this a pretty common thing among Monster cables?
I've never done any actual testing, but I get a very strong snake oil vibe from their company as a whole. I would love to see KDH do a null test on these cables he is shilling though, maybe i'm wrong...
I've never had a good experience with them
KDH dropped the ball on this one.
LOL Monster is known for being the worst cables out of all, hell even GC house brand cables are better, I pray for KDH's reputation . . .
I used to be a regular on the Project Guitar forum years ago. Ormsby was a regular at some point and shared a lot of knowledge. Ola Strandberg also posted from time to time and even told me how to go about refinishing a guitar with Tru Oil. Their posts on multiscale guitars were super interesting. I was always in awe at their level of craftsmanship.
Thanks K. Answered whether I could use one or not.
I really enjoy your videos. I don't have the same taste in music but I always tune in for the information and the delivery. 👍👍
Solid analysis, I love your content!
Not really too keen on you accepting money from Monster.
Their claims are frankly preposterous: the materials involved in making good quality cables are incredibly cheap. The only thing that can differentiate one decent cable brand from another are the connectors, the length and the quality of the soldering.
There are legitimate reasons to use specialised cables but only in the sense that the voltages produced by a power amp to drive a speaker will damage an instrument/mic cable, or possibly using a curly cable if you want to authentically recreate the tone from a live performance where you can clearly see that the artist is using one.
It helps him stay on YT, & everyone w/ 1/2 a brain knows Monster is a joke. They've been making such ridiculous claims for 20+ years.
this man audio audits other people but he's a shill ass sellout himself. frankly i've always hated his content
@@scottbrower9052 he preaches ethical practices then pulls this shit...
@@whatskraken3886, I gotta give you credit, that’s the first time I’ve seen the term “Shill” used in the guitar community. I am a paranormal investigator, independent researcher, and overall contrarian to the Darwinist/Einsteinist/Heliocentric-Globe/Scaligerian Chronology religion of our time. I occasionally see it in the “conspiracy” community, but I’ve never seen it here before.
@@miklowlife was that just a fancy way of saying you disbelieve evolution?
Last frontier fallen. Too bad with that promotion in the video … The lack of promotion made your messages seems more honest and I hope you will reconsider that approach
It's definitely a me thing, but playing palm muted argeggios is a massive pain multiscale. I can get used to everything else but that's the deal breaker for me as its a big part of my playing.
Nice one Sam, I never thought about palm muting, that's important to me.
It took me about 3 months, but now palm muting is easy with a multiscale
Great video and very well explained but I do have concerns about the advertisement for monster cables. There's CLEARLY a whole lot of debate here regarding whether or not they actually make a difference, with a majority of the comments saying they do not. @KDH I would love to see a comparison video to back the claims they make. Sounds like the PERFECT candidate for an audio audit topic :)
This was extremely well done. Now I understand the basic "hows & whys" of this phenomenon.
Wow this makes me want to think about multi scale. Sounds like it would be useful to any genre that uses drop d alone, which is pretty much most genres using it from time to time. It would make a guitar much more versatile, especially for people that can’t afford or don’t have space for a huge collection, as well as traveling musicians that have to haul all their own gear!
I wonder if they make acoustic models with a multi scale setup.
Disregarding the whole “snake oil” debate… Monster Cable is infamous for bullying small companies. They sue (or they used to) practically every smaller company that has “monster” as part of their name. Even if they don’t have the slightest thing to do with the audio business. That’s not defending your trademark - that is straight up bullying! Please read up on it… they represent everything that you usually rally against.
The Monster story on the Blue Jeans Cable website should be mandatory reading. Great stuff.
Thanks for the information, I had no idea about that, greetings from Colombia!
Greetings from Greece
I played a strandberg bass at a local guitar shop and it was one of the best feeling basses I've ever played
Never been a fan of multiscale, but I’ve always thought your blue Oramsby looked and sounded incredible.
What does "never been a fan of multiscale" mean?
@@DaveyMulholland They just don't usually appeal to me. Probably because I don't have any inspirations who play/played one. Not to say they're bad, I just haven't been influenced by them. I'm also a big floyd rose fan, I know Kahler do multiscale trems but idk lol. My type of guitar is like, 80s floyd rose partscaster, Charvel Kramer ESP sort of thing. But KDH's blue Oramsby really stands out to me for some reason, I like it.
I love my multiscale guitar.
After using it as a baritone, I've now strung it to Bob Fripp's New Standard Tuning, but one half lower, so it's starting with a low B:
B-F#-C#-G#-D#-F#
Feels great right across the 'board.
As a giant multiscale fan 🥁
It looks cool and sounds better on the low end, also scale length makes intonation better. Also higher frets tend to be more spaced out to make wangley stuff easier.
Scale length makes tension better, not intonation. You need TT frets for that
Thank you K! For answering about your guitar! Yeah, I'm 5'4" lady with small hands & that guitar would be too hard for me but Ormsby makes some stunning instruments! Also appreciate 411 on multiscale! It would have to be 25.5" for me! Guess I`ll stick with standard! Cheerz
Great info and great playing
Great content...God continued blessings
Cant wait to try one and test and see...makes for an interesting concept.
You should try the Agile Chiral line from Rondo Music, or if you're not a fan of headless instruments the Agile Sceptor, Pendulum or Pendulum Pro lines (be aware that these instruments are a bit heavier). Whereas the Chiral headless bridge pieces are not mechanically locked down, so if you're changing strings, it is possible for the brass bridge pieces to come out of the enclosure if the guitar is tilted while the string(s) are getting replaced.
I recently got a strandberg prog 7. The difference from low to high scale length is 1in. I really like the feel and sound of the guitar. The cutout is also really nice because I play in classical position.
Got a Godin a9 electric acoustic baritone this year and absolutely love the extra scale length.
I'm not a good guitarist but I have a multi-scale 7 and I love it. The only downside is they shouldn't have too much angle near the headstock because some cords get really hard to play. As for down the headstock and Lead it makes a huge difference
holy shit, it just clicked. I finally get it. Thank you.
the most important thing i learned from this is how to pronounce Aristides. thanks, KDH!
Always wondered what these fan fret guitars were all about. Cool vid! I prefer shorter scale, so might not be for me, but would love to try some out and see.
It does have all the musical advantages but honestly the huge advantage is you can go all the way down the neck laying near the pickups as a breeze
@@cdreid9999 Cool! Now I really wanna try one. Been playing some songs that would benefit from easy upper fret access.
I’d like to try a multi scale or a baritone as I play in drop B but I struggle with those major triad stretches as it is on a 25.5” so I don’t think they’d suit me at all. I fully understand why they’d be good for intonation and tension though, but for me I want to enjoy playing my guitar, not fight it and potential get carpal tunnel at the same time 😂
Very informative. Thanks for the multi scale info. I'm definitely thanking thanking about picking one up. I like looks of the Ornsby Futura but I know there's a lot of guitar manufacturers producing them. Do you have a recommendations that I could check out. I steer towards passive pups. (Never tried any active)
Very cool. Oh yea fyi I stumbled upon you channel searching for any good guitar shows. I saw you video on Rob Chapman and I was hooked. Funny thing I like Rob Chapman prior to watching. Good job.
THANKS BRO!!
be well
Cables for guitars and cable for basses?, Riiiiiight
I missed the microphone cable for youtubers, though...
Thanks for this video explained alot
There’s a Schecter 7 string Multiscale I want to buy at some point, A) because I think it looks sick, and B) because of the benefits it’s like to have with ergonomics and string tension. Considering I tune to drop A most of the time, it may not be necessary, but I still think it would benefit me.
I got the Toxic Venom 7 MS and it's been fantastic.
All Schecter 7's are 26.5" scale as far as I know. You don't need a multi scale for your choice of tuning.
@@vinlander8484 they are standard 26.5 yeah. I actually prefer a 27" scale, but would like to try a 27-28.5" for an 8 string. My 8 string is 27" and has an evertune. I can only fit an 80 in the lowest string, and drop Eb is not tight enough for my likings with that. F#/F are fine, E is a little sus, but Eb is just not enough.
Mine is 26.75-29.14". I'm pretty average height and don't have big hands. Being an 8 string with the eScale (a variation of multiscale), I actually find it much more comfortable to play than my 25.5" standard scale guitar. The takeaway, Multiscale is awesome. Try it.
Would love to see a review of the kahler multiscale trem from you seeing as you've championed the standard one. Any chance you can get your hands on one of the new Deans?
just ordered a multiscale 8 string acoustic, i can’t wait 😁
@@Ize6 | i preordered it so i have no clue when it’s getting here but if i remember, sure. th-cam.com/video/n_ZoWl1SVsk/w-d-xo.html here’s a vid of another guy playing the same guitar
I think headless guitars are usually blemished abominations, but I'm intrigued by multiscale guitars.
They look like an arm with the hand cutoff at the wrist
@@behindthen0thing 😁😂
@@behindthen0thing Well said!
Hey dude, make us a review of the dean ml multiscale, if possible, it would be very cool
Them Dean guitars are things of beauty...
thanks. great explanation.
I had a Legator multiscale, it was pretty good at keeping the bottom string stable. A bit hard to play because of the stretch was massive. Also choices for slanted pickups are very very limited. Evertunes I hear is supposed to eliminate both these issues, so I’m saving up to buy a guitar with one.
Great vid!
There are more comments critical of Monster cables than there are comments about multiscale guitars. This is what we call "drama" in the comments, and gives Monster free advertising beyond what they paid for. I agree with all other commenters: KDH should do a full comparison in testing between Monster cables vs. standard cables or cheap Amazon guitar cables. Also, compare bass cables to non-bass cables. We want an in-depth test with an audio engineer level of detail to analyze the signal differences!
That Dean in the thumbnail looked so cool until I saw the whole thing in the video lol. Wish it was explorer shaped.
Cool vid man .I'm a LP player bit still play 7 strings..I might try one .thought about it a while ago
Solid video, I still have a question however.
Multiscale guitars have caught my eye, but I have read that changing pick-ups could be an issue. Something about the routes are not on the same angle from one builder to the next, and it might lead to the strings not being true with the pick-up poles. Have you had an issue like this?
I've been using GHS E Johnson nickel rockers. They're a mixed set of 10 & 11s, or 11s & 12s. Instead of heavy Low E, A and D then lighter B, B, and high E they have heavy Low E, A and G, light D, B and high E.
They feel much more across the fretboard.
Would you recommend a multi scale guitar over a standard for a beginner? Can they skip the standard altogether and just stick with multi scale?
It depends on if you plan on using drop tunings lower than Drop D. If so, I absolutely recommend it for a beginner. If you plan on playing in Standard tuning, E Flat Standard or Drop D, you’re better off with a regular scale length guitar, like a 24.75” scale or a 25.5” scale.
Starting off, it really doesn't matter. In my experience, no matter what starting off is gonna be slow and sucky. Just get the one you, or they think looks best in your budget
It's a bit of a novelty honestly. Maybe not someone's first guitar, but definitely something one could try out as one learns the instrument. I can see the practicality for 8 strings or baritone-to-regular multiscales, but not really Fender-to-Gibson lenghts
@@1337million I just recently bought an 8 string multiscale, and it’s a necessity because I drop tune the bottom two strings. That shit wouldn’t fly on a static scale length. On a 6 string, I agree that it’s a novelty. On a 7, I can see the need, but I wouldn’t have to have it. 8 string is where multiscale truly matters, because otherwise, that pitch drift will make it so hard to tune the damn thing, or if you bulk the string gauge, the high strings feel like you’re pressing down fence wire.
I started on a 7 string multi. I think the multiscale is fine. The problem for me was the 7th string because I was playing Rocksmith and tabs written for 6 string. I suppose if one used the 7th as the regular E string and just removed the first string, it would be fine, its just trying to skip the 7th string was alot of trouble when the material isnt' written for it.
Something to also consider is whether or not Bar Chords will be easier or hard with the angle for the other fingers. How about capos?
Being the perfectionist I am in terms of selecting things, it would take me decades to find the right multiscaled guitar. I better don't dare to touch one haha.
Btw, great content, as always.
I'm 5'10" with little baby hands. I like the tuning stability of longer scale lengths but I prefer the playability and comfort of shorter scales. I never got into fanned fretted guitars because they looked like the neck was bent, but after this I'm a bit more optimistic about them. I still think they look really weird but I'm curious about them now. Maybe next time I see one at a guitar store I'll pick it up and play it
I'm 5'4" with little 'babier' hands
I should just play an Ukulele 🤣🤣
You need to listen! I do use a number of guitars for different tunings and multi scale. On my Ibanez premier it's my C# guitar, I use D'addario 9s. I used to use 12,11 but I did an experiment I sat and went from 12s to 9s. I found the 9s had the best tone and were fine down to C. Trust me, try it for yourself. I'm not ripping the fingers anymore and the tone is tighter.
2:20, or if you're like me, you could also just use thicker gauges, I personally love very heavy bottom strings, so I use 11/12, 16, 24w, 38, 48, 76 on my 25.5 scale 6 string from Drop C# down to an octave G tuning, which is kind of like Drop C, but with the low string tuned to G. though I'm primarily playing in Drop C - Drop A# with them. I'd say the benifit of using a longer scale length is more so the tonality difference. more brighter tone with the longer scale length and thinner strings rather than compensating with a thicker usually warmer sounding string. though of course you can adjust other things like pickups and guitar/amp/pedal settings, equing which can kind of make some of these things obsolete when it comes to an actual mix. I'm thinking of getting a multiscale 7 string though.
I'm thinking of getting a 7 string.. I've always dropped my top E down a couple so I can play it open bar chords.. So ,if one likes to drop D a lot, does a MS make the string play tighter ? Less floppy? Get a lower note while retaining tension?
ive been wanting a multiscale. im primarily a bassist but use a guitar when im writing a song to help me better get a bass line. so multi scale seems like a good fir for me, as im use to longer scale. not to mention i love the sound
that clean section you played at 5:18 was incredible, how on earth did you get that heavenly tone?
The Fanned Fret design is an old one taken from the Orpharion. What you end up with is the Treble Strings being short and thin as well as the Bass Strings being long and thick like what you see on a Grand Piano or even a Harp.
always thought they were just slanred frets for players who play with a slanted wrist!! Thank u for this videoo
Great video 👍
When I took the leap into 8 string territory I opted for multi scale as well. I have stubby little paws, and after playing long and short scale 7 strings I was attracted to the multi scale. I picked up a Harley Benton and I have got to say that the transition was painless. I regularly switch between 6,7 & 8 and don't really notice. I find the overall feel of a multi scale is just better on extended range guitars. I've not played a MS 6 string so I can't compare that tbh.
I've got the same Harley Benton 8 string and it's a dream to play. An hour setting it up and it was brilliant after. Just polished the frets, set the action and changed the strings to a custom set of 10-90s I made up on strings direct.
I have small hands; my main guitars are 24¾" scales (Kiesel Hyperdrive and Gibson Les Paul) and 25" (Kiesel DC600 and PRS SE Custom 24). I just can't make 4-fret stretches on a 25½" scale Strat. I wouldn't mind trying a "Gibson-scale" multiscale with a hypothetical 24¾" high E to a 26" or so low E.
This is also why I play a 5 string bass. I can do F-A walkups on the low B a lot more easily than on the E (so I hang out on the 5th fret a lot).
Orientation is also an issue. I have a hard time finding left handed guitars that I actually like, so much that I just did a Warmoth build. I had a multiscale 7 string for a short time and I didn't care too much for it. I'm 5'10 but I have smaller hands so lighter strings and a regular scale works fine for me. I think for extended range guitars, a multiscale makes more sense but not so much for regular 6 string guitars. I'm using a 95 gauge string on my 8 string because I tune down to a D. With only a 28" scale, anything less is a bit too floppy.
Hey, thanks for that very informative video… I was thinking about buying one, but my alignment TOC just not allows me to have one…
I started with guitar, and picked up bass after a few years. Since I bend when I play bass, I don't even notice tension differences when bending or playing my guitars (which I still play all the time).
I would love to sit down with a multiscale and see how it feels, though.
How'd you think a multiscale go for a player who mainly does barre chords or 5ths in a more rhythm guitar role? I can easily see their advantage on lead breaks
Depends...a Baritone Guitar is pretty specifically a Rhythm Guitar.
No judgement, I'm a "fuck it, I'm just gonna play some power chords the entire way through" type player. I don't enjoy trying to overcomplicate things just to impress others.
A multi scale would definitely benefit me. Longer scale on the high strings also makes them sound way too thin and treble-y even if you do get used to bending them. For sure on my "next guitar" list lol!!🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️
I had a RGD7ALMS, but I think the angles are a bit too extreme so am sending it back. I ordered an NK Headless with fan fret which appears to be much more moderately angled.
Thanks for the education 🤘😎.
Hi KDH,
Great vid, I'd really like to try one. You answered all my questions concerning multis except one... (Well, you can't win them all!) here it is:
Drop D on the E string, does the string feel more 'baggy' on your Ormsby than a non-multi, or does it just come down to upping your string guage?
Keep up the good work.
Cheers
Col.
When you drop tune on a multiscale the string will still have more tension than if you drop tune on a standard scale.
Thanks for answering, I did think that as well...but I'd already clicked 'send' (drrrr) I guess that's the whole idea of using multscale!!!
Limited pick up options, few if any vibrato bridges, requires custom nut, and having to get used to the weird new way of playing is enough to scare me away for paying more for a guitar that is also harder to refret.
I’ve experimented with many extra low and high tunings but never found it a big deal to just use a larger or smaller gauge string when tension was an issue, but some players probably notice a difference.
Serious question. Been watching a lot of your videos lately. I assume you are strictly a metal person. But how is it to play actual chords on a multi scale guitar? Like a f#/d or something for example. Also, I assume these multi scale guitars have super hot ceramic and or active pickups. Can they clean up? I've been asking questions here and there as I see these fan fretted machines on your channel, found this video, but still have the above questions. Thanks. I appreciate your content ✨
Funny he credits Ibanez with doing a non multi scale fan fret as a new thing, when Rickenbacker did it way back in the early 70’s. I had a ‘76 Ric 360 slanted fret, it was awesome.
Nice playing
ive never played one but have always wanted to. I am not sure I could find any place locally that would even have one to try. I played bass for a long time before picking up guitar again seriously and the longer scale for the low strings appeals to me. maybe i could find a baritone but i am mostly wondering what playing on slanted frets would feel like.
My guitars are old school but I have guitars in all 3 of the classic scales ...24" 24 3/4 and 25 1/2 and all have advantages and disadvantages. I am sure I could get as comfortable with any guitar I have seen today. I think in the end with me it is the tone. If the guitar sounds great then the sound trumps a bit of discomfort every time. I have 10 guitars and even live I seldom play a guitar more than twice before changing. I let the tunes dictate which guitar is best.
I bet if you used the same guitar the whole time the audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference
I might be wrong about this, but I believe the different multiscale layouts are based on math, relating to string gauge and tuning versus string tension. The 12th fret is always in the exact center between nut and bridge. If you use thicker strings, the tension gets higher. By increasing the overall scale length, the tension gets even higher (for the same note). So a long multiscale is better for lower tuning and a shorter multiscale for not-so-low tuning, while maintaining the string tension.
I could imagine guitar manufacturers will one day come up with lightning shaped frets to compensate tension for "exotic" oder drop tunings.
Can you now test if the cable really changes the tone? Because I really don't think so.
The main difference in the tone is the tone suck (tone suck is the loss of high end and sometimes volume).
Everything else is just build quality.
@@snow15243 build quality is important, of course, for durability and shielding. But I have yet to see any evidence that there is much of a "tone" difference between different pieces of copper wire. Especially if you're running it into effects and amps and thereby through hundreds and hundreds of small wires, resistors and other components.
I only tested a Ibanez 7 string and I didn’t like fretting chords in the first 5-7 frets. It was uncomfortable borderline hurting my wrist. But I don’t have access to any other models to test and see if I like their multi scale version better or if I need it.
As far as the Ibanez with the slanted frets, Rickenbacker did that in 1973 with their 481 guitar.
This was news to me, very cool but slanted frets and fanned frets are not the same thing. Aren’t the ric’s frets all angled the same way whereas fanned changes angles across the fretboard? I’ll have to do more reading on rickenbackers intention for why they did slants, I’m assuming intonation.
@@musicman9901, yes, and if you watch the video, you'll see that he mentions Ibanez doing slanted frets as a new thing. Slanted, not fanned. That's why I mentioned it, and referenced Ibanez. Sorry if that wasn't clear
Multiscale sounds really cool and they do solve that tension problem, though I am very apprehensive on the ergonomic aspect. It doesn't sound pretty accurate and more like business reason to sell multiscale guitars to the masses. Logically, it will solve the problem I have with the low B on my bass, but personally I prefer the traditional straight scale.
Kudos for Kahler for making multiscale tremolos. I had seen some closeup pictures and they look like work of arts.
So ,if one likes to drop D a lot, does a MS make the string play tighter ? Less floppy? Get a lower note while retaining tension?
@@Danboi. Yes.
Maaan! i looove Monster Cables - got mine about 8 years ago... nowadays its very hard to get them in Germany...
I saw a country Nashville player using a multi scale guitar. He had it set up like a Nashville tele.
I went from an LTD SC-607B at 27" fixed scale, to a Strandberg Boden std NX7 at 26.25", and I think it took me about 5 minutes to get used to it. I generally play in drop G [edgy boi, i know] The Strandberg feels about as large as a Les Paul; even though it's only 3/4" shorter than the 1960 Lincoln Continental, that is the SC-607B. I would highly suggest giving multi-scale a try, if you're looking to play some baritone scale music, but have trouble actually playing something around a 27" scale. Even if you aren't trying to tune down, the ergonomics can help you play more comfortably.
I still just don't get it because if you tune down that much, just buy a bass guitar with 5 or 6 strings. Plus, why not but different guitars with different scales such as a LP and a strat and tune down the strat for instance. I guess if you tune down a lot it's ok. I am old though and like my Gibson and PRS 25 inch scale. Just have that cool slurring sound I love with blues rock. Comparing a strat to an LP you get more of a Choir singing tone where as the LP is like a blues choir from New Orleans singing harmonies. It's looser and not as singing, but has more growl to me.
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Regards from Indiana. USA. The heartland !
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Multi-scale are nice to address extended range guitars but what I'd really want to see more popularized but for obvious reasons it's not it's true temperament guitars: They're mostly for microtonal classical guitar players but there's a few notable electric players like Mattias Ia Eklundh that play electric true temperament guitars.
But precisely producing durable, true temperament guitars (The ones with the squiggly frets if you're wondering) it's probably prohibitively expensive.
The most surprising length in the video was 6'1" !
He's always seemed like a big dude though
Kinda like Buckethead being 6'6". Makes sense that he uses a baritone Les Paul. Hell, it looks like a normal sized guitar in his huge hands lol
Thanks !
I got all standard fret 6 strings and one fan fret 7, the difference between each fret is minor and i really enjoy playing the fan fret, especially if i dont look
I enjoy the Gibson scale length, I have other guitars of various other scale lengths but the 24.75 is very comfortable for me. It's also where I did most of my intense learning of technical death metal though so I might be biased. It's easier for me to get some of the patterns required on a shorter scale length. I'm not short either! Ha ha ha.
I feel like short scale lengths make my fingers trip. I don't have that problem on a 25.5. This makes me sad because I love 335s.
@@alecmullaney7957 Maybe just not used to it? It's definitely a familiarity thing.
@@Jopeymessmusic I started learning on the 24.75, and only picked up a 25.5 after a year or so and it felt like I had finally changed out boots that were too small for a pair of perfect fit sneakers.
@@alecmullaney7957 I'd say that can happen, I mean good that you got something comfortable for yourself, it'll certainly make playing and writing much easier for you.
@@Jopeymessmusic now I just need to find a hollow 25.5 hahaha. But thanks. Have fun playing!
Wasn't expecting a Chic riff out of ya. I fuck w/ it.
Exactly the information i was looking for. Im about to cry. Its been so long since i haven't been click baited into a fluff video that i forgot how to trust.
I love multi-scale guitars, but I love Floyd Roses more. Considering all the variations in the multi-scale market, it makes sense they don't make a ms version of the Floyd rose bridge/nut, but I'd buy one in a heart beat. I love the LTD m-1007ms so much though. More so on a 7 string, multi-scale feels like a must have for me.
Kahler makes multiscale trem bridges
@@staz3014 I'm not a fan of Kahler bridges. Granted, it's been a few years since I've had one, but it didn't 'feel'/work as well as a floyd for my needs. As KDH mentioned in the vid too, Dean uses it, but still puts a straight locking nut which isn't ideal.
I am the same size and roughly the same same length of wingspan, I still prefer traditional scales and frets. I am not into fanfrets and multiscales. Although wouldn't mind trying them out