@@positive4ce No problem! Figured might as well be helpful after you have provided us entertainment 😄 Good list. Only had a few I would have moved, but nothing drastic lol
Great explanations throughout all of this! I think this game is unbelievably hard to create a tier list because of all the niche interactions and character differences, but you made a solid list with great explanations
Haha thank you, yeah there are so many things that can be super busted like dragon hide and green armor together so it's hard to rank but but I feel like the list is pretty close on an item to item basis
Great list, I'm glad you posted the long version. Really interesting to hear how your mindset has changed after doing the challenges. I see you put my favourite item Dragon Hide in niche, but that's ok, I agree :D. Btw, DH is the item that synergises best with Hourglass, since it makes it safer to stay at those low health levels rather than just heal up asap. Looking forward to the Scarlet run, gotta see how FoK wolf is REALLY supposed to look after being carried by your Mel.
That's true, dragon hide would be the thing to make Hourglass better but I normally pair it with 5+ green armor if I can and never see my heatlth drop under 70% haha. Maybe in the challenge runs though because I've had 200 armor and still been hit for half my health. And yeah scarlet run was pretty awesome, I have so much relief when I finally finished it
Really nice explanations, thanks for putting this together! I learned a lot! Would be cool to see a video about snowballing act 1 in 4 player co-op. My group is only getting past the first boss maybe 50% of the time in our nightmare runs (and it's painfully slow)
@@MrMattersen The next guide I have going up is on getting faster clear speeds and I’ll mention co-op a bit but it should help if everyone is using the tips in it
Great Explanation, very helpful for a new Player - thanks! I'm sometimes still struggling to decide when to use my Rerolls, or how to balance Defense vs Offense..but just love this Game, excited for Updates in the Future
Glad this helped! My thought process on offense vs defense is to get mainly offensive things in chapter 1 or things to set you up like egg or coin. You want to be able to have enough things going for you to finish most of the points of interest and then let that carry you into chapter 2 and get some defense there. Defensive things to early might make your clears too slow
Yeah I recently started being able to beat Nightmare with my friend. We kinda already knew where most of these items were gonna rank, but I'm surprised about some like the Broomstick and Swan's Cloak. I'll give them a try next time I get a chance.
@@idkwatimdoingtbh You do have to be more intentional when you’re dashing if you take swan cloak and witches broom, but once you learn the playstyle they start to feel really strong
I'm another console player that's been waiting for the game. I've been watching your runs for months and learning so much and dying out of envy. Trying to prep as much as possible to shorten the time to graduate to nightmare and challenge runs as much as possible. Really, really appreciate it, thank you. Which of your character guides (from early access, so obviously not Carmilla) would you say are still mostly valid on 1.0 and which need a revisit? There are so many talents, magical objects and possible combinations on so many characters that I need to make a document listing each power / special / defense / etc. build on each character. I really love how you play with foresight as to what you're building towards, what you need and where you can get each from. I'd like to play like that and start playing that way without having to put in 300 hours 😅
The commitment! Thank you for the support! The game will take some getting used to enemy attack patterns and your I-frames, as well as how much time you’re able to spend at a given point. I’d say the guides are still pretty consistent, maybe not Wukong as that was the first vid I made and I’d add a lot more info if I go back and redo it. For Aladdin I’d want to emphasize how important Jinniya’s gift and master thief are, and that they work really well with sands of oblivion. In pied pipers I recommend chorus and low notes as the best build in the game, it’s still great but was nerfed a bit. Hope this is helpful! I’m going to work on a clear speed that I’m going to try to post the day the game releases on console which should help as well!
Voodoo doll isn't for you, it's for me. I still haven't cleared darkness with all characters, and will often struggle to get the snowball rolling. If I have a run where I'm struggling, the boss fight may be a problem. It will stretch on and on. I will periodically lose focus and mess up, so over time my hitpoints will trend downwards. If I feel behind the damage curve coming up on a boss, the voodoo doll is sometimes the best option. (This is made a little more likely by the fact that sometimes, an item will open up options and patterns to you, that I am just not good enough to consistently land. I will usually only take eternal rose if I already have some other components for a dash centered build, or if I'm feeling comfortable, and want to practice more complicated movement patterns.) Finally, I will sometimes pick up a voodoo doll as the least bad option (it's still mostly bad, but maybe nothing fits), because I've decided that this allows me to take a side quest/key boss a couple of minutes earlier, or without spending too much time. Hey presto, I have leveraged a common item into a 2-5 minute earlier epic/cursed item (if my guesstimation of my own capabilities is correct). This might be the only "real" use of it, is admittedly rare, and is yet another thing that is more common for me than for you, professional gamer beast that you are. When would YOU ever struggle with Cyclops or Omega Crab? Love your work, it's helping me a ton. (Edit (Can you tell I'm writing this as I go along?): It might not move their rating, but I was hoping you would at least comment on what I assume would be synergistic options for Goldilock's porridge and Unicorn horn (and maybe why it doesn't move the needle): Do their super effects not trigger whenever you have strength/regen for ANY reason? So Carmilla could take the talent that regenerates if you dip into health for power, stack some mermaid tears so it is more impactful, and who knows, maybe the starter that lets you reactivate trait to trade health for blood? Do Gepetto's dolls do more damage if they're regenerating due to a special bomb?)
@@blitzrep1654 Woah Geppetto’s dummies and horn of plenty super effect would be cool (I wish the base effect worked on dummies as well). But yeah for me the only case for voodoo doll is an early key boss like you said or if it’s in my chapter 3 or baba Yaga shop. My thought process is that if your boss fights are going to take a long time, then your camp clear speeds are most likely going to suffer as well. Taking an item that only fixes that problem in boss fights where you have no timer and get no rewards is counterproductive to the games design. Taking an ogre blood in chapter one might only give you 5 damage compared to the 15 that voodoo doll gives but ogre blood will be up all the time. And it will get better with time and help you in the following chapters. And as you play the game more, boss patterns will become a lot easier to read and your consistency with them will get better making voodoo doll tell valuable. If they ever decide to add a small percentage of damage to effect elite enemies as well then it would have a much better use case
I don't quite get what happens if you get more than one copy of a magical object. Can anyone explain? For example, if i get two Roses, i get 10% + 10% crit chance for 2 seconds? Or do i get 10% for 4 seconds? I can't really find anything on the wiki...
Great tier list bro! Dash magic items are weak on it's own, but I think dash builds are the strongest ones if you are lucky. You can see my videos where I demolish bosses in seconds with dash builds.
@@yujirohanma7551 Agreed, any dash talent with eternal rose complete and 3x dash cooldown or dash charge is probably the strongest thing you could do right now, I think if you’re lucky with items, a dash build will outperform coin + egg but that’s just a lot more consistent. And that snow queen slide build looked so clean
I generally completely agree with the list. Some nit-picking - I would put Green Armor to the bottom of "Very Good". In late game, a single Green Armor can be more than 12-16 armor, which is pretty insane for a green item. Similarly, Swan cloak is on the S tier for me, maybe even SS if I am playing a hero with no other heals.
@@Paulorrrrrr Green armor could probably go there, I’m mainly doing 5 negative modifier runs now and it is essential to most builds and would put in “Amazing in nearly every scenario” for those, but with regular nightmare I wasn’t sure how necessary it was. Haha and I understand that for swan cloak, in the first tier list I did like 3 months ago I had it really low but it’s getting better and better the more I get use to it
I'm fully agree considering your skills lvl . With my skill I just disagree with golden egg because I'm not good enough and I don't end up with enough gold to be worth it. But I'm bad at the game so it a me problem lol I'm just happy to understand the game enough to have pretty much the same idea of you.
@@Stross8 Golden egg is a long term item that will get better as the run goes on and the 30% dreamshards is really impactful, once you can get it going it will start to carry your runs
@@danics_0995 Thank you! And for holy grail I have it up there because in co-op there’s so much incentive for 2-3 people to have it and it’s almost necessary in the challenge runs. It use to be 10% which was a lot better as it could scale with vitality but if you’re going heavy armor builds it’s pretty good. But I also understand for solo nightmare, not super necessary
Good list but there are definitely some items that would be moved down on Nightmare, like you mentioned. Chainmail is such a fall from grace and almost never take it now. Shield has gotten so much better now, but i still feel a lot of builds are underwhelming. Been playing a lot of different new rogues lately and have realized that 1.0 was pretty disappointing. Love Carmilla, but they didnt really add much more to the game, and getting OP doesnt really happen that often. A game like Windblown you can get really OP but they counter that by having the enemies hit like trucks. Here the enemies hit like trucks, but there are very few OP builds. COTDG is one of my favorite rogues, and i was really hoping they would reach that same level. Hopefully they expand a little more on the game and some balance changes get implemented.
golden egg doesn't stack right? i mean no matter how many golden eggs you have you still get only +1 per 150 shards right? At least thats my experience. I just had a run with 4 golden eggs and hope diamond and i only have +37 dmg from golden eggs. that seems a bit low considering that i got the 4th egg already in akt 2. and i cleared everything wished all wells empty and bought everything from shops so i guess around 4000 gold that i spent. only 37 dmg? Edit: post game summary says 5600 dreamshards spent
so uhm my question is: do i really just try to get golden eggs for the 30% bonus? i mean gettin' one egg is alright but multiple eggs are just wasted if i don't hit the 4th, right?
@@corlaren In your example each egg would be giving you 37 damage. So if you get 5 golden eggs and it says +40 damage, you’ll be at 200 damage just from your eggs. It’s the best item in the game to build damage and the 30% more dreamshards will just add to your spending, hope this helps!
Отличный лист ! Но лично для меня Dragon hide - S tier !) Кстати , если играя за обезьяну , во время трансформациии , взять рог изобилия, вы будете приятно удивлены 😅 Вы возьмёте один предмет , но расходников появиться в 3 раза больше 😮 check this)
I'll have to try that out with Wukong! And dragon hide is really good but I think only if you can finish the 4x stack, without it, it feels kinda mediocre
To help provide timestamps for others, see below:
*Common Items*
Horn of Plenty - 0:58
Dreamcatcher - 2:17
Voodoo Doll - 3:36
Eternal Rose - 4:56
Green Armor - 6:44
Leprechaun Coin - 8:21
Golidlocks' Porridge - 9:34
Mermaid Tears - 11:31
Ogre Blood - 13:19
*Rare Items*
Queen of Hearts - 14:46
Unicorn Horn - 15:50
Fairy Dust - 16:53
Vajra - 18:43
Jack of Diamonds/King of Clubs - 20:15
Ace of Spades - 21:35
Dragon Hide - 23:04
Golden Egg - 25:03
*Epic Items*
Thunderstone - 26:34
Flaming Pearl - 28:00
Adder Stone - 28:58
Charmstone - 30:05
Raven Wing - 30:59
Raven Eye - 31:58
Raven Beak/Raven Talon - 33:10
Raven Skull - 34:35
*Cursed Items*
Hungry Grass - 35:50
Fast-walker Boots - 37:24
Cauldron of Dyrnwch - 38:30
Mad Hat - 39:18
Hope Diamond - 40:25
Witch's Broom - 41:05
Oni Mask - 42:29
Black Lotus - 43:50
Nightmare Ichor/Nightmare Thorn - 44:56
Baba Yaga's Mortar - 45:44
Balor's Eye - 46:17
Bloody Mary's Mirror - 47:38
*Legendary Items*
Philosopher's Stone - 48:34
Nibelungen Ring - 49:40
Vorpal Blade - 50:25
Water of Life - 51:33
Tamatebako (Tommy's Tobacco) - 52:20
Holy Grail - 53:07
Swan Cloak - 54:07
Ring of Dispel - 55:14
Excalibur - 56:17
Seven-league Boots - 56:39
Golden Coat of Chainmail - 57:50
Father Time's Hourglass - 59:02
Raven Effigy - 59:54
@@paradisiacalgaming2929 Thank you Para!
@@positive4ce No problem! Figured might as well be helpful after you have provided us entertainment 😄 Good list. Only had a few I would have moved, but nothing drastic lol
Ayy glad you decided to post the 1 hour version.
Love the new horn of plenty, very versatile item. Still kinda miss the old HoP ogre blood build tho.
@@PotionSmeller Yeah new horn is great, being able to do a crit build on any character now is nice and getting two rerolls back can be game changing
The game may not be available to a console gamer like myself just yet but by golly I’m going to be well informed when it does.
Ahead of the curve!
Bro it's ps4 and 5 and I think xbox,worth the buy.
Great explanations throughout all of this! I think this game is unbelievably hard to create a tier list because of all the niche interactions and character differences, but you made a solid list with great explanations
Haha thank you, yeah there are so many things that can be super busted like dragon hide and green armor together so it's hard to rank but but I feel like the list is pretty close on an item to item basis
Great list, I'm glad you posted the long version. Really interesting to hear how your mindset has changed after doing the challenges.
I see you put my favourite item Dragon Hide in niche, but that's ok, I agree :D. Btw, DH is the item that synergises best with Hourglass, since it makes it safer to stay at those low health levels rather than just heal up asap.
Looking forward to the Scarlet run, gotta see how FoK wolf is REALLY supposed to look after being carried by your Mel.
That's true, dragon hide would be the thing to make Hourglass better but I normally pair it with 5+ green armor if I can and never see my heatlth drop under 70% haha. Maybe in the challenge runs though because I've had 200 armor and still been hit for half my health.
And yeah scarlet run was pretty awesome, I have so much relief when I finally finished it
Really nice explanations, thanks for putting this together!
I learned a lot!
Would be cool to see a video about snowballing act 1 in 4 player co-op. My group is only getting past the first boss maybe 50% of the time in our nightmare runs (and it's painfully slow)
@@MrMattersen The next guide I have going up is on getting faster clear speeds and I’ll mention co-op a bit but it should help if everyone is using the tips in it
@positive4ce awesome!! 😎
Great Explanation, very helpful for a new Player - thanks! I'm sometimes still struggling to decide when to use my Rerolls, or how to balance Defense vs Offense..but just love this Game, excited for Updates in the Future
Glad this helped! My thought process on offense vs defense is to get mainly offensive things in chapter 1 or things to set you up like egg or coin. You want to be able to have enough things going for you to finish most of the points of interest and then let that carry you into chapter 2 and get some defense there. Defensive things to early might make your clears too slow
yay it's finally here! been waiting for this updated version
Haha yeah and I have a lot more experience with items that I didn't use that much before
Yeah I recently started being able to beat Nightmare with my friend. We kinda already knew where most of these items were gonna rank, but I'm surprised about some like the Broomstick and Swan's Cloak. I'll give them a try next time I get a chance.
@@idkwatimdoingtbh You do have to be more intentional when you’re dashing if you take swan cloak and witches broom, but once you learn the playstyle they start to feel really strong
I'm another console player that's been waiting for the game. I've been watching your runs for months and learning so much and dying out of envy. Trying to prep as much as possible to shorten the time to graduate to nightmare and challenge runs as much as possible. Really, really appreciate it, thank you.
Which of your character guides (from early access, so obviously not Carmilla) would you say are still mostly valid on 1.0 and which need a revisit? There are so many talents, magical objects and possible combinations on so many characters that I need to make a document listing each power / special / defense / etc. build on each character. I really love how you play with foresight as to what you're building towards, what you need and where you can get each from. I'd like to play like that and start playing that way without having to put in 300 hours 😅
The commitment! Thank you for the support! The game will take some getting used to enemy attack patterns and your I-frames, as well as how much time you’re able to spend at a given point. I’d say the guides are still pretty consistent, maybe not Wukong as that was the first vid I made and I’d add a lot more info if I go back and redo it. For Aladdin I’d want to emphasize how important Jinniya’s gift and master thief are, and that they work really well with sands of oblivion. In pied pipers I recommend chorus and low notes as the best build in the game, it’s still great but was nerfed a bit. Hope this is helpful! I’m going to work on a clear speed that I’m going to try to post the day the game releases on console which should help as well!
A shout out to black lotus on pied piper. It is FANTASTIC. Especially with chorus.
@@AJD... Oh yeah special spam either chorus + black lotus becomes unkillable barring a 1 shot
Thank you sir, this has been assigned as mandatory learning for my playgroup 😆
Get them prepped!
Voodoo doll isn't for you, it's for me. I still haven't cleared darkness with all characters, and will often struggle to get the snowball rolling. If I have a run where I'm struggling, the boss fight may be a problem. It will stretch on and on. I will periodically lose focus and mess up, so over time my hitpoints will trend downwards. If I feel behind the damage curve coming up on a boss, the voodoo doll is sometimes the best option. (This is made a little more likely by the fact that sometimes, an item will open up options and patterns to you, that I am just not good enough to consistently land. I will usually only take eternal rose if I already have some other components for a dash centered build, or if I'm feeling comfortable, and want to practice more complicated movement patterns.)
Finally, I will sometimes pick up a voodoo doll as the least bad option (it's still mostly bad, but maybe nothing fits), because I've decided that this allows me to take a side quest/key boss a couple of minutes earlier, or without spending too much time. Hey presto, I have leveraged a common item into a 2-5 minute earlier epic/cursed item (if my guesstimation of my own capabilities is correct). This might be the only "real" use of it, is admittedly rare, and is yet another thing that is more common for me than for you, professional gamer beast that you are. When would YOU ever struggle with Cyclops or Omega Crab?
Love your work, it's helping me a ton.
(Edit (Can you tell I'm writing this as I go along?): It might not move their rating, but I was hoping you would at least comment on what I assume would be synergistic options for Goldilock's porridge and Unicorn horn (and maybe why it doesn't move the needle): Do their super effects not trigger whenever you have strength/regen for ANY reason? So Carmilla could take the talent that regenerates if you dip into health for power, stack some mermaid tears so it is more impactful, and who knows, maybe the starter that lets you reactivate trait to trade health for blood? Do Gepetto's dolls do more damage if they're regenerating due to a special bomb?)
@@blitzrep1654 Woah Geppetto’s dummies and horn of plenty super effect would be cool (I wish the base effect worked on dummies as well). But yeah for me the only case for voodoo doll is an early key boss like you said or if it’s in my chapter 3 or baba Yaga shop. My thought process is that if your boss fights are going to take a long time, then your camp clear speeds are most likely going to suffer as well. Taking an item that only fixes that problem in boss fights where you have no timer and get no rewards is counterproductive to the games design. Taking an ogre blood in chapter one might only give you 5 damage compared to the 15 that voodoo doll gives but ogre blood will be up all the time. And it will get better with time and help you in the following chapters. And as you play the game more, boss patterns will become a lot easier to read and your consistency with them will get better making voodoo doll tell valuable. If they ever decide to add a small percentage of damage to effect elite enemies as well then it would have a much better use case
I don't quite get what happens if you get more than one copy of a magical object. Can anyone explain?
For example, if i get two Roses, i get 10% + 10% crit chance for 2 seconds? Or do i get 10% for 4 seconds? I can't really find anything on the wiki...
The former. The number in green is what stacks per item.
@@vikenzo3703 Yeah look for the green number when you stack multiple items, 4x eternal roses will give you 40% crit chance after a dash
Great tier list bro! Dash magic items are weak on it's own, but I think dash builds are the strongest ones if you are lucky. You can see my videos where I demolish bosses in seconds with dash builds.
@@yujirohanma7551 Agreed, any dash talent with eternal rose complete and 3x dash cooldown or dash charge is probably the strongest thing you could do right now, I think if you’re lucky with items, a dash build will outperform coin + egg but that’s just a lot more consistent. And that snow queen slide build looked so clean
I generally completely agree with the list. Some nit-picking - I would put Green Armor to the bottom of "Very Good". In late game, a single Green Armor can be more than 12-16 armor, which is pretty insane for a green item.
Similarly, Swan cloak is on the S tier for me, maybe even SS if I am playing a hero with no other heals.
@@Paulorrrrrr Green armor could probably go there, I’m mainly doing 5 negative modifier runs now and it is essential to most builds and would put in “Amazing in nearly every scenario” for those, but with regular nightmare I wasn’t sure how necessary it was.
Haha and I understand that for swan cloak, in the first tier list I did like 3 months ago I had it really low but it’s getting better and better the more I get use to it
I'm fully agree considering your skills lvl . With my skill I just disagree with golden egg because I'm not good enough and I don't end up with enough gold to be worth it. But I'm bad at the game so it a me problem lol I'm just happy to understand the game enough to have pretty much the same idea of you.
@@Stross8 Golden egg is a long term item that will get better as the run goes on and the 30% dreamshards is really impactful, once you can get it going it will start to carry your runs
Ty for this video, super amazing, idw about the holy grail bc is just 8hp even if u can boost it but as said, loved the video ❤
@@danics_0995 Thank you! And for holy grail I have it up there because in co-op there’s so much incentive for 2-3 people to have it and it’s almost necessary in the challenge runs. It use to be 10% which was a lot better as it could scale with vitality but if you’re going heavy armor builds it’s pretty good. But I also understand for solo nightmare, not super necessary
Good list but there are definitely some items that would be moved down on Nightmare, like you mentioned. Chainmail is such a fall from grace and almost never take it now. Shield has gotten so much better now, but i still feel a lot of builds are underwhelming.
Been playing a lot of different new rogues lately and have realized that 1.0 was pretty disappointing. Love Carmilla, but they didnt really add much more to the game, and getting OP doesnt really happen that often. A game like Windblown you can get really OP but they counter that by having the enemies hit like trucks. Here the enemies hit like trucks, but there are very few OP builds. COTDG is one of my favorite rogues, and i was really hoping they would reach that same level. Hopefully they expand a little more on the game and some balance changes get implemented.
I used Unicorn Horn+Boiling Blood on Carmilla with a power build, I liked the big numbers on AOE damage :p
@@imd9331 Haha honestly I think that’s one of the only builds where I see the value of unicorn horn, that one is pretty fun
Why is Father Time's Hourglass still pretending to be a legendary item in 2024
I really hope they do something with it next balancing patch, it's never the choice
golden egg doesn't stack right? i mean no matter how many golden eggs you have you still get only +1 per 150 shards right? At least thats my experience. I just had a run with 4 golden eggs and hope diamond and i only have +37 dmg from golden eggs. that seems a bit low considering that i got the 4th egg already in akt 2. and i cleared everything wished all wells empty and bought everything from shops so i guess around 4000 gold that i spent. only 37 dmg?
Edit: post game summary says 5600 dreamshards spent
so uhm my question is: do i really just try to get golden eggs for the 30% bonus? i mean gettin' one egg is alright but multiple eggs are just wasted if i don't hit the 4th, right?
@@corlaren In your example each egg would be giving you 37 damage. So if you get 5 golden eggs and it says +40 damage, you’ll be at 200 damage just from your eggs. It’s the best item in the game to build damage and the 30% more dreamshards will just add to your spending, hope this helps!
@@positive4ce Ahhh, thank you
Отличный лист !
Но лично для меня Dragon hide - S tier !)
Кстати , если играя за обезьяну , во время трансформациии , взять рог изобилия, вы будете приятно удивлены 😅
Вы возьмёте один предмет , но расходников появиться в 3 раза больше 😮 check this)
I'll have to try that out with Wukong! And dragon hide is really good but I think only if you can finish the 4x stack, without it, it feels kinda mediocre