Funny after the flop I said out loud, he has 45 lol. I get Bart’s 400$ bet but I would have jammed too. Love it. Love the channel. I’ve learned so much. Hello from Canada. 🇨🇦
I’ve learned the hard way it’s not profitable to try and bluff bad players off of what they consider to be made hands. On the turn, if I think he has two pair or better, the last thing that I’m doing is trying to get him off of it. Too many times they overvalue and overplay medium strength hands
It's crazy how common this is - caller slips from making a loose call to play a hand against the big fish into planning a maniacal three street bluff to try and get the fish to fold a big hand. Got saved by the river in this case.
Wouldn't a lot of missed diamond draws try to bluff all in on the river? I don't mind the jam, would probably do the same thing because it looks like more of a bluff than value.
Bart actually nailed part of this hand reading exercise and then didn’t continue the trail throughout the hand. Bottom straight no redraw in PLO is not a super strong hand like it is in NLH. 54 would play defensive on this board so it makes sense for a PLO player. That being said I do think he should have a bunch of 2p that also plays this way and calls bricks.
At the very end Bart didn’t understand what caller meant. Caller said he thought V was chopping with him - ONLY because V took five seconds to call. When hero made the river bet, he thought V had a medium strength hand.
@@Jermo484Your example also shows why Bart believing a PLO player would over play a hand like a flush (which was Bart's example) is flawed logic. It takes stronger hands to win in PLO, so IMO they're more likely to pot control in spots where NLH players are shoveling their stack in as fast as they can. I see PLO guys play way too many hands in NLH, but I rarely see them overvalue hands. On the other hand, I see Hold'em players overvalue mediocre hands in PLO all the time.
Both the hero and the villain played the flop turn, and river poorly. The flop play wasn't horrible, but the turn and river were real bad from both of them.
@@KatieeeStahuliak He bet too large. Before he hit his straight on the river, he thought that he could shove the river as a bluff and get the other guy to fold. Then when he hits his draw, he still shoves the river, even though there's now four to a straight on the board, and it's even harder for him to get a call than if the river was a blank and he was bluffing. He fell for the classic trap of believing "if I miss my draw and bet, he'll fold" and "if I make my draw and bet, he'll call." He got lucky and got called by one of the very few weaker hands that is calling a bet that big on the river.
@ I agree that the turn raise is definitely a blunder, but when he arrives on the river with that hand and binks it, honestly I don’t think there is an issue with the jam. Like I’m saying he either got a straight or nothing, so being a villain, either he is holding too pair, set or two pair, it doesn’t matter - all those hands a totally bluff catchers. He can call or fold to 400 or to a jam, no difference
@@Sniffl3s-fldoesn’t A8 make more straights? The 9 would make a straight with KQJT, but both of them make a higher straight on that board using the A. So 9 just has QJT8, JT87, T876 and 8765. 8 has QJT9, JT97, T976, 9765 and 7654.
I thought he had a made straight already. I find recs tend to XR small when they have a stronger hand. Their reasons...... Not sure. In this case he might have been afraid of the higher straight
I am a noob but: I like 60-66% hero bet on flop and a minimum check raise from villian of 3x at least and more often 4x due to position and wetness of flop... On the turn the villian obviously bet way too small but ignored his chance to correct this when hero 3 bet turn. Hero sizing to me is ok but might go a little bigger if really worried about flush. My river analysis would be trash :)
3-bet or fold pre. (i would have folded pre) Easy game. As played: turn raise by hero is ridiculous against such a strong flop raising range from villain. (so turn i would just call and bomb on a diamond as well) The villain not backjamming all in on turn with the bottom end of the straight on such a drawheavy board is even more cringeworthy. And Bart thinking that villain is check raising small on flop with a weak range like an A8 type of hand is also unexpectedly way off. Nate was right with villains check raising range on the flop.
If the hero has missed diamonds, he wants to shove to get rid off sets/2 pairs, which villain has from his perspective. Medium bet on the river doesn’t make sense at all. Hero either got it or not, simple as that. Like what hand ever arrives in this manner on the river and bets 400? BART in the wrong here. Jam is absolutely the size to go for
8 outs (7 vs specific hand) plus if he’s bluffing diamonds it’d be really hard to call on those. There was a lot here not irrelevant information/thought process
@@patb6486it’s not gonna be hard to call at all, cause I’m reraising the turn big and telling the caller ‘I’ve still got “quite a bit” after he asks what I have behind. 😂
What I really don’t understand is the V just calling the raise on the brick turn. Literally, unless he gives H 9-10, he’s good but vulnerable (higher straight, diamonds, etc). He needs protection. How the hell does he let H get there - and when H does, how does he pay it off? Sure, he can convince himself it’s a missed flush/bluff - but , wow, hate this line. And, sorry, H should have folded to raise on flop. He got lucky. So many cards (an A, to V’s A8, etc) beat the hero.
This is like my 10th time saying this but can y'all PLEASE STOP leaving spoilers in your comments. I stg every video I click nowadays there's someone in the comments saying EXACTLY what happened and it fkn ruins the video for me 😂 y'all are some asses
I think this is more on you for reading comments before the video is over; I don’t even see the comments section unless I click on it (I see at most one comment in preview; often only a fragment). I can’t imagine how you have it set up that you’re forced into reading comments before the hand is over unless you specifically choose to do so. Main reason why is I really don’t see how it is possible to discuss specific issues in how the hand was played (or what could be done differently) without some spoiler being at minimum inferable from the question being asked/statement being made. So yeah, really don’t think your ask here is particularly reasonable or even necessary as a matter of courtesy- it is plenty easy enough to avoid spoilers if you don’t want em, and kind of impossible (or at least impractical, and ultimately less useful) for anyone wanting to discuss the hand in a specific way being able to do so without giving up spoilers.
@chloemchll3774 nah because TH-cam nowadays does a slideshow of comments below the video. I try not to read them but it's kinda hard when the FIRST SENTENCE of the comment is saying EXACTLY what happened
I'm a watcher not a playa, but if Villian is PLO guy then isn't his flop raise a "pot" bet? And so he just wasn't thinking the right game? And then the turn bet was basically designed to leave enough behind to have a pot bet on the river? And then when the 5 comes, he checks because, y'know, your hand always gets cracked in PLO? I'm not saying it's good play, just asking if maybe this is where the guy's brain was.
What’s your take on bet sizing used throughout this hand?
The only good bet sizing came from MP preflop trying to isolate the +1. Every other bet was poorly sized.
Funny after the flop I said out loud, he has 45 lol. I get Bart’s 400$ bet but I would have jammed too. Love it. Love the channel. I’ve learned so much. Hello from Canada. 🇨🇦
Since when is a “PLO player” likely to check-raise with top pair top kicker?
I’ve learned the hard way it’s not profitable to try and bluff bad players off of what they consider to be made hands. On the turn, if I think he has two pair or better, the last thing that I’m doing is trying to get him off of it. Too many times they overvalue and overplay medium strength hands
It's crazy how common this is - caller slips from making a loose call to play a hand against the big fish into planning a maniacal three street bluff to try and get the fish to fold a big hand. Got saved by the river in this case.
he thought he had two pair so decided to raise? fish aren’t folding their two pair when blanks come out 😂
The villain flops a straight, and then he lets the hero get there to take his whole stack? The hero got lucky as hell, and the villain is horrible.
Isn't that par for the course? Haha
Let's him get there? He flopped the third best hand with no way to improve.
How is the hero somehow a good player then?
This says it all. Both players played this badly
Hero played it poorly and got lucky
Wouldn't a lot of missed diamond draws try to bluff all in on the river? I don't mind the jam, would probably do the same thing because it looks like more of a bluff than value.
Both players are horrible.
Right cause people bluff a lot at low stakes lmao.
When Bart comes away with, "There's always the option to fold here" I realize most of the time that's what I should've done.
Bart actually nailed part of this hand reading exercise and then didn’t continue the trail throughout the hand. Bottom straight no redraw in PLO is not a super strong hand like it is in NLH. 54 would play defensive on this board so it makes sense for a PLO player. That being said I do think he should have a bunch of 2p that also plays this way and calls bricks.
Hate the turn raise
At the very end Bart didn’t understand what caller meant. Caller said he thought V was chopping with him - ONLY because V took five seconds to call. When hero made the river bet, he thought V had a medium strength hand.
Which still makes a jam bad - a PLO player isn't going broke with 87 or 66 on this runout.
@@Jermo484Your example also shows why Bart believing a PLO player would over play a hand like a flush (which was Bart's example) is flawed logic.
It takes stronger hands to win in PLO, so IMO they're more likely to pot control in spots where NLH players are shoveling their stack in as fast as they can. I see PLO guys play way too many hands in NLH, but I rarely see them overvalue hands. On the other hand, I see Hold'em players overvalue mediocre hands in PLO all the time.
Both the hero and the villain played the flop turn, and river poorly. The flop play wasn't horrible, but the turn and river were real bad from both of them.
How is the river bad play from hero?
@@KatieeeStahuliak He bet too large. Before he hit his straight on the river, he thought that he could shove the river as a bluff and get the other guy to fold. Then when he hits his draw, he still shoves the river, even though there's now four to a straight on the board, and it's even harder for him to get a call than if the river was a blank and he was bluffing.
He fell for the classic trap of believing "if I miss my draw and bet, he'll fold" and "if I make my draw and bet, he'll call." He got lucky and got called by one of the very few weaker hands that is calling a bet that big on the river.
@ I agree that the turn raise is definitely a blunder, but when he arrives on the river with that hand and binks it, honestly I don’t think there is an issue with the jam.
Like I’m saying he either got a straight or nothing, so being a villain, either he is holding too pair, set or two pair, it doesn’t matter - all those hands a totally bluff catchers.
He can call or fold to 400 or to a jam, no difference
I may be a nit but A9ss hits the muck.
Good thing it was A9cc, that's def a call
@@therealjackwhite1523 This guy :)
You’re a nit.
It was the fast call that made him think chopping. Gotta go for max value.
Raising turn to get a guy on a rush off top two is lighting money on fire. If hero didn't bink river, we'd never hear about this hand.
Honest question: I’ve always put suited aces in three categories: suited broadway, suited wheel, then the rest. Why is A9 better than A8?
Additional Strait combos
I'm with you. Most of the time from MP/LP A6-A9 isn't coming along for any significant dollars
@@Sniffl3s-fldoesn’t A8 make more straights?
The 9 would make a straight with KQJT, but both of them make a higher straight on that board using the A.
So 9 just has QJT8, JT87, T876 and 8765.
8 has QJT9, JT97, T976, 9765 and 7654.
I thought he had a made straight already. I find recs tend to XR small when they have a stronger hand. Their reasons...... Not sure. In this case he might have been afraid of the higher straight
Geez A8 fold, A9 is the absolute lowest hand to call 😂
I am a noob but: I like 60-66% hero bet on flop and a minimum check raise from villian of 3x at least and more often 4x due to position and wetness of flop...
On the turn the villian obviously bet way too small but ignored his chance to correct this when hero 3 bet turn. Hero sizing to me is ok but might go a little bigger if really worried about flush.
My river analysis would be trash :)
Hero did not 3 bet turn
3-bet or fold pre. (i would have folded pre)
Easy game.
As played: turn raise by hero is ridiculous against such a strong flop raising range from villain.
(so turn i would just call and bomb on a diamond as well)
The villain not backjamming all in on turn with the bottom end of the straight on such a drawheavy board is even more cringeworthy.
And Bart thinking that villain is check raising small on flop with a weak range like an A8 type of hand is also unexpectedly way off.
Nate was right with villains check raising range on the flop.
Why would you want to bluff a fish? Just let the equities take care of itself. This was absolutely braindead by hero.
If the hero has missed diamonds, he wants to shove to get rid off sets/2 pairs, which villain has from his perspective. Medium bet on the river doesn’t make sense at all. Hero either got it or not, simple as that. Like what hand ever arrives in this manner on the river and bets 400? BART in the wrong here. Jam is absolutely the size to go for
Villains sizing on the turn doomed him
I now aspire to be a reg that is reggy enough.
Hero was perfectly set into a trap and donked a suck out 4 outer, the rest is irrelevant.
8 outer but yes
8 outs (7 vs specific hand) plus if he’s bluffing diamonds it’d be really hard to call on those. There was a lot here not irrelevant information/thought process
@@patb6486it’s not gonna be hard to call at all, cause I’m reraising the turn big and telling the caller ‘I’ve still got “quite a bit” after he asks what I have behind. 😂
Nice river .. next
What I really don’t understand is the V just calling the raise on the brick turn. Literally, unless he gives H 9-10, he’s good but vulnerable (higher straight, diamonds, etc). He needs protection. How the hell does he let H get there - and when H does, how does he pay it off? Sure, he can convince himself it’s a missed flush/bluff - but , wow, hate this line. And, sorry, H should have folded to raise on flop. He got lucky. So many cards (an A, to V’s A8, etc) beat the hero.
6d5d?
Plo player is not raising g 2 pair on flop on that board
This is like my 10th time saying this but can y'all PLEASE STOP leaving spoilers in your comments. I stg every video I click nowadays there's someone in the comments saying EXACTLY what happened and it fkn ruins the video for me 😂 y'all are some asses
I think this is more on you for reading comments before the video is over; I don’t even see the comments section unless I click on it (I see at most one comment in preview; often only a fragment). I can’t imagine how you have it set up that you’re forced into reading comments before the hand is over unless you specifically choose to do so.
Main reason why is I really don’t see how it is possible to discuss specific issues in how the hand was played (or what could be done differently) without some spoiler being at minimum inferable from the question being asked/statement being made.
So yeah, really don’t think your ask here is particularly reasonable or even necessary as a matter of courtesy- it is plenty easy enough to avoid spoilers if you don’t want em, and kind of impossible (or at least impractical, and ultimately less useful) for anyone wanting to discuss the hand in a specific way being able to do so without giving up spoilers.
@chloemchll3774 nah because TH-cam nowadays does a slideshow of comments below the video. I try not to read them but it's kinda hard when the FIRST SENTENCE of the comment is saying EXACTLY what happened
I'm a watcher not a playa, but if Villian is PLO guy then isn't his flop raise a "pot" bet? And so he just wasn't thinking the right game? And then the turn bet was basically designed to leave enough behind to have a pot bet on the river? And then when the 5 comes, he checks because, y'know, your hand always gets cracked in PLO? I'm not saying it's good play, just asking if maybe this is where the guy's brain was.
A pot sized raise on the flop would be way bigger. 615
I was close. I thought this was 55.
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Bart is terrible at analysis. Just cause he wouldn't play a hand a certain way means the rest of the world wouldn't either