Is Genesis 1:1 A Mistranslation?

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  • @germasianinvasion5173
    @germasianinvasion5173 หลายเดือนก่อน +1386

    "Why do we clap" boy do i have a vsauce video for you.

    • @tristan6773
      @tristan6773 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

      people clap.
      OR DO WE?

    • @xprimox
      @xprimox หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ instantly searched it up and watched it before getting into this video hahaha

    • @catseyes2334
      @catseyes2334 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Hey Vsauce, Michael here... Why do humans clap? 😸

    • @AndersonPEM
      @AndersonPEM หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@tristan6773[Classic vsauce Rhodes C note plays]

    • @Kekaweek
      @Kekaweek หลายเดือนก่อน

      I remember.

  • @fubilosophy
    @fubilosophy หลายเดือนก่อน +168

    this felt literally like a fever dream.. I've been a long time fans of Alex and Magnify!! And I never thought they'd have a conversation together as I see magnify's channel as focused more on the education of language...
    I'm so happy that they have a collaboration together!!

    • @thoracis
      @thoracis หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I know right! Epic crossover

    • @erikred8217
      @erikred8217 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Do you know if either one of them are support of the genocide or have commented on it at All even? thanks

    • @mrkoerc
      @mrkoerc หลายเดือนก่อน

      Happy that you are happy. After that: anything factual you got from that conversation?

    • @SineN0mine3
      @SineN0mine3 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@erikred8217wut?

  • @TheSchism-y7p
    @TheSchism-y7p หลายเดือนก่อน +798

    Is that the Lord of Ironland? My man!

    • @MsSarahET
      @MsSarahET หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      He should be the Duke of the Duchy of Ironland just because

    • @MrPhukawf
      @MrPhukawf หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's a democratic republic, iirc, so i doubt it would have things like that. Not to mention, as the founder is American by birth, he's less likely to use titles of nobility in general.

    • @lindboknifeandtool
      @lindboknifeandtool 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      My lord bequeath’d upon me and my lineage one square nanometer

  • @tankfu1
    @tankfu1 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Great episode! I like how Chris is like the anti-youtuber. No screaming. No yelling. No bullshit. Calm, intelligent, thoughtful... everything we need on the internet right now.

    • @lindboknifeandtool
      @lindboknifeandtool 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I also haven’t noticed a lick of political propaganda either. Rare.

  • @Sevarchez
    @Sevarchez หลายเดือนก่อน +472

    I had to rub my eyes 2 times..
    "IS THAT THE TH-cam SHORTS GUY?!?!?!" I said

    • @us3rG
      @us3rG หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I followed the shorts guy here 😂

    • @squward
      @squward หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      lol same

  • @lukeburris1011
    @lukeburris1011 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    As someone who almost never watches shorts, thank you for having him on. Hearing what he had to say is useful in understanding the text and language in general as well as fascinating.

  • @michaellinke6448
    @michaellinke6448 หลายเดือนก่อน +447

    "Before God got to work, the Earth was a bit loosey-goosey"

    • @Karatop420
      @Karatop420 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Wooo, fire translation. Just put their names back in.
      When Iao started fuqn w/ Ges, she was a hot mess, bio. Wooo!!!

    • @TaeyxBlack
      @TaeyxBlack หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      “when god started making stuff, the earth was all willy nilly”

    • @Outofcontexst
      @Outofcontexst หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      A bit humbo jumbo

    • @JohnVandivier
      @JohnVandivier หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bars

    • @BlumpkinSpiceLatte
      @BlumpkinSpiceLatte หลายเดือนก่อน

      Chaos.

  • @Old_Man_Bridge
    @Old_Man_Bridge หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Helicopter is a good example, Alex. Most people would assume the word is made up of “heli” and “copter” but it’s actually “helico” for spiral and “pter” for wing, both of Greek origin.

    • @TAP7a
      @TAP7a หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      An assumption which is compounded by the coining of terms like gyrocopter and quadcopter!

    • @tudornaconecinii3609
      @tudornaconecinii3609 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TAP7a To be fair, "quadpter" is too painful to pronounce.

    • @lets_wrapitup
      @lets_wrapitup หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TAP7aand pterodactyl

  • @iammakingtea3160
    @iammakingtea3160 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    Best intro in the channel’s history

    • @Justafoolagain
      @Justafoolagain หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I like your taste. If a Gnostic Christian, how do you describe God? Natural or supernatural?

    • @Jangort
      @Jangort หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      That escalated quickly

    • @Sameboylol
      @Sameboylol หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Tea is just a rearrengement of matter. So when you are making tea, it never begins to exist.

    • @AssyriacUnitarian
      @AssyriacUnitarian หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If i am therefore I exist. Then I dont

    • @jrbowler84
      @jrbowler84 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Second that

  • @AmeriChrisTheMage
    @AmeriChrisTheMage หลายเดือนก่อน +106

    Clapping is also more anonymous than shouting because everybody's claps make the same sound. If you're shouting it might be distracting when somebody turns their head with an impulse to listen to a voice they recognize or investigate a voice that they don't.

    • @crispian67
      @crispian67 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Interesting point on shouting being a vocal distraction...a bit like a dissonant version of solo (e.g. baritone) and harmonic components of a choir.
      Not sure about clapping making the same sound apart from it being recognised as such. For example, one could differentiate between 3 main types of clapping with specific sound profiles.
      1. Standard - both palms matchingly clapped together.
      2. " Hollow" - for want of a better description, this year of clap involves clapping perpendicular cupped palms together. It's quite loud and "deeper" sounding, useful for amplifying a group clapping effect.
      3. Fingers slapping Palm clap - 3 or 4 fingers or fingertips clapped against open palm.
      Useful for prolonged and/or fast clapping.

    • @MrReasonabubble
      @MrReasonabubble 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agreed. When you clap, you're contributing to the build-up of a communal noise. By comparison, yelling or screaming can be interpreted as personal attention-seeking.

  • @chad_giga6934
    @chad_giga6934 หลายเดือนก่อน +142

    Bro the intro is the best. Alex is really growing

    • @--Snowy--
      @--Snowy-- หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      So is his moustache

    • @GuildOfTheBlackCrow
      @GuildOfTheBlackCrow หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@--Snowy-- Low hanging fruit that I am here for.

  • @veridicusmind3722
    @veridicusmind3722 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    NOW THIS was a collab I never expected but I am here for it

  • @ajbowley2725
    @ajbowley2725 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    I loved the section on etymology. I'm a native English speaker and it wasn't until I started learning a foreign language that I realised the etymology of some of the words that we use.
    Someone once told me this, and it's really stuck with me.....
    " words don't have meaning! They have usage"
    It's so true, you can't rely on the meaning of words you have to understand the way in which the community that uses that word employee it.

    • @dvanaestcestica1135
      @dvanaestcestica1135 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Well, the way words are being used in one language IS what we call "meaning". But in a similar spirit, I'll add that, when it comes to learning languages, one of the most important things to understand is that words don't have translation (a very common misconception), but *equivalents in the context*. So you don't "translate" the Spanish "espero" into English as "I wait", because depending on the context, it can mean "I hope" - you need the correct *equivalent* for what you want to say. Also, you should try as much as possible to learn not separate words, but phrases. There is no point in learning that "thirsty" is "sediento" in Spanish, because "I am thirsty" (as in: I need to drink water) is not "Estoy sediento" (very formal or figurative, as in "thirsty of knowledge"), but "Tengo sed" (lit. "I have thirst"), so learning the whole phrase only makes sense.

    • @Anyox17
      @Anyox17 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can't words have both meaning and usage? Both of which vary across linguistic populations?

    • @wolfganghumboldt4830
      @wolfganghumboldt4830 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Anyox17 That is very accurate. This is what linguists discuss in pragmatics. What a word means to a community of speakers, and what meaning a speaker tries to impart while crafting a sentence with them can create a big difference. The most common example for English speakers: when you say "Can you pass the salt?" you are using "can" which means able or whatever to request a favor.

    • @bergasgeir
      @bergasgeir หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It was good. But Alex is unfortunately wrong about "genius" and "ingenious" having separate etymologies.
      It is true that "genius" means a "guardian deity or spirit that follows the gens" in Latin, while "ingenium" means "intellect, ability" something like that. But that's not the end of the story. Both words come from the same root, *gene-, which means to "give birth" and in that sense have the same etymology.
      It's also not a coincidence that they both came to mean the same in English, because the thought behind "ingenium" is "that which is inborn" which is also the idea behind "genius", that you have an inborn exceptional ability.

    • @DneilB007
      @DneilB007 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s literally the crux of the philosophy of mereological nihilism. Objects, whether they are “chairs” or “books” or “words” have no inherent self existence; they have uses. The air vibrations, used thusly, signify “meaning”. Used only slightly differently, they mean the water in the tea kettle is boiling.

  • @rumiwaldman1687
    @rumiwaldman1687 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This is a really interesting conversation. As a Jew that is not intently familiar with the bible but can read it, you got me to go over Genesis in Hebrew again. I've yet to watch the entire video, but to the parts I did watch, I can try and add my view.
    For starters about the period at the end of “sentences”, while they don't exist, the common way the bible is presented and segmented in Hebrew is by numbers, but not actual Arabic numerals. Instead Hebrew uses its own ABC as numbers. So it is kind of like:
    Chapter A
    [A] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth
    [B] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters
    [C] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light
    [D] And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
    [E] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
    Additionally, about the way translation can change the way you read things, I could translate the exact same verse in a very different way that is still correct per how you could interpret the original texts:
    Chapter A
    [A] To begin with God brought into being the land and the sky
    [B] And the land was in disarray and the darkness over the depths and the spirit of god hovered over the water
    [C] And God said let there be light and light there was (no quotation marks because they were not used originally)
    [D] And God saw-the-light as-good and God distinguished the light from the darkness (the - exist in a way in the original text and connect words of similar meaning to the ones I used here)
    [E] And God will call the light day and the darkness night and there will be evening and there will be morning, first day
    EDIT: I use the words Land and Sky instead of Heaven and Earth for a few reasons. First is that it is a valid translation and I want to show that. And second is that the words used can have multiple meanings that do not match the multiple meaning that "Heaven" or "Earth" posses. Erets ארץ which is the word for Earth or Land is very similar to "earth" as in it being the ground we stand upon literally and figuratively. In modern Hebrew we call The Earth Kadur A Erets, which is roughly "The Ball of Earth/Land".
    About the Heavens, it just has so many matching and not matching correlations that it is troubling to try and truly translate. I feel as if the original meaning is close to how we use Sky now a day but that is just my opinion.

  • @tylercherneski1805
    @tylercherneski1805 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

    I hope magnify does more long form content

    • @bankafouf
      @bankafouf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hh ... Ect

    • @tylercherneski1805
      @tylercherneski1805 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bankafouf huh

    • @CosmicTeapot
      @CosmicTeapot หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Is it me or did he seem more nervous in this format though? His voice sounded shaky at times and I just wanted to give him a big old hug.

    • @tylercherneski1805
      @tylercherneski1805 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@CosmicTeapot he was extremely nervous. It was also his first time doing a podcast as far as I'm aware.

    • @lindboknifeandtool
      @lindboknifeandtool 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol that’s why he always puts the magnifying glass to his eye;)

  • @Rollie_1010
    @Rollie_1010 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I've been watching magnify for maybe a year now and I did not see this coming! Thank you both!

  • @fernandoteitelbaum
    @fernandoteitelbaum หลายเดือนก่อน +124

    You should 100000% interview Robert Alter. It would be an Earth shattering eye opening episode

    • @Colruth
      @Colruth หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      That's some devastating hyperbole there.

    • @ignatiusTH2
      @ignatiusTH2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why

    • @stvbrsn
      @stvbrsn หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Whoa. You sure we want to be shattering the earth?

    • @fauxie3090
      @fauxie3090 หลายเดือนก่อน

      who even is that

    • @Agryphos
      @Agryphos หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Robert Alter would be an incredible interview, his translation of the HB is probably one of the best ones to get if you want something specifically for the HB. Sadly it is quite pricy, but I believe it comes with a lot of notes and such

  • @KGS922
    @KGS922 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is the most interesting podcast i've had the good fortune of clicking on this year (having only watched the first ~24 mins).

    • @yahleel9
      @yahleel9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i will be having a podcast in which ill be talking about the mis translation as well as how much we misunderstand the scriptures. as we are in such a dangerous time

  • @Nickers19
    @Nickers19 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Love that you got my favourite shorts youtuber, Alex! I am really looking forward to watching this🙃

  • @JohnVandivier
    @JohnVandivier หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The closing thoughts of both are spot on in my view. Read multiple translations, seek the common idea over the specific wording, consider the original speaker and audience, understand that we are getting the tip of the iceberg. As a Christian, I genuinely love this conversation.

  • @TheYoutubeG.O.A.T
    @TheYoutubeG.O.A.T หลายเดือนก่อน +145

    Screaming or shouting is in no way more efficient than clapping, not to mention the consistent sound it makes compared to shouting

    • @CrustaceousB
      @CrustaceousB หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      As a metal vocalist, I have to agree. Much easier to clap than spend 4 years learning proper safe screaming techniques just so you can call out to people with a nasty BLEGH!

    • @jeanscph3328
      @jeanscph3328 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe clapping is something you do with a group of people compared to shouting/screaming

    • @Baronnax
      @Baronnax หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Tell that to drunk football fans in English bars after their team has just clinched the EPL championship. It may be more efficient, but clapping isn't more satisfying than yelling or whistling.

    • @TheYoutubeG.O.A.T
      @TheYoutubeG.O.A.T หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Baronnax I'm gonna back that, live and big sporting events aren't half of what they are without screaming fans. Maybe clapping was more of a formal way of agreement or appreciation.

    • @SineN0mine3
      @SineN0mine3 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That might seem to be the case but it isn't. Vocalising, even very loudly uses much less energy than moving your limbs.
      This is why almost every excersize routine involves moving your limbs and hardly any of them involve shouting.
      Vocalising uses a similar amount of energy to breathing, and since you're going to breathe anyway it's really very efficient.
      It probably feels like more effort than it is because you're going to be short of breathe and because shouting causes strain and pain on your vocal chords if you don't practice it, or raise your voice beyond a certain level.
      Clapping isn't difficult or painful but it uses more energy.

  • @BesserGlauben
    @BesserGlauben หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    1:09:40 The hebrew term "עזר כנגדו" literally means "help like his opposite". The term for rib "צלע" actually just means "side" here and Adam obviously just means "human". So one side of the human is the man and the other side is the women -> they are as the opposite of each other and helping each other. The hebrew in this passage is actually very much egalitarian.

    • @romanmay2867
      @romanmay2867 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i mean we would call it egalitarian.

    • @lindboknifeandtool
      @lindboknifeandtool 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠@@romanmay2867what are you even trying to specify? Is that not egalitarian?

  • @zechariah22
    @zechariah22 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think this was one of my favorite chats! It seemed so relaxed and interesting

  • @sebastianmorales7889
    @sebastianmorales7889 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Now this is a really unexpected yet amazing podcast by these two

  • @iamtheiconoclast3
    @iamtheiconoclast3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This autoplayed while I was brushing my teeth, and when I realized it wasn't the Destiny episode, I actually felt a wave of joy and relief.

  • @niresplural2007
    @niresplural2007 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    14:40 the mysterious word is two word: "tohu va-vohu" which directly translates to "silence and mess" but in every day hebrew its just chaos. Youd walk into a messy room and you would describe it that the room is tohu vavohu. Hoped this helped🌸

    • @yoav_tc
      @yoav_tc หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      While this is true that "tohu-va-vohu" means complete mess in modern Hebrew.
      Sadly we don't really know what it meant in ancient Hebrew, since in Genesis is the earliest mention of the term can be found.

    • @niresplural2007
      @niresplural2007 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @yoav_tc true, thanks for the correction. I read in a couple of places that tohu refers to empty or silence. It either comes from arabic or a name for an ancient goddess of abyss. Vohu comes from an ancient goddess of night.
      (but i think this is all speculation and not the translation for the sentence)

    • @kliniac3564
      @kliniac3564 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@niresplural2007 actually, we know it means “formless and void” from the rest of the chapter. In the following verses, God forms the formless (sky, land, seas) and fills the void (luminaries, plants, animals). So the rest of the chapter actually defines the words in context.

    • @niresplural2007
      @niresplural2007 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kliniac3564 is that in the bible or in the tanach? (tora)

    • @kliniac3564
      @kliniac3564 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@niresplural2007 it’s in Genesis chapter 1. First chapter of the Bible/Tanakh/Torah.

  • @WTH13SERIOUSLY
    @WTH13SERIOUSLY หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I was stunned when I saw magnify and I listened as quickly as possible. So cool

  • @monty3854
    @monty3854 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It was really nice of Magnify to interview Alex.

    • @Zimpfnis
      @Zimpfnis หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's a weird episode. Not bad, but very unusual

  • @wtfgrooves3268
    @wtfgrooves3268 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    As a Hebrew speaker myself I would just mention that when talking about Rabi Akiva the tradition say he would interpret not only every letter, but every coma, in the text. So the opening remarks about the periods were very interesting in that sense:)

    • @Pullithard
      @Pullithard หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I’ve always heard that he would interpret every crown in the script

    • @wtfgrooves3268
      @wtfgrooves3268 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Pullithard I'm translating directly from Hebrew.. the word פסיק translates to "comma" .. maybe as the saying migrated some of the words have changed

  • @aramjones
    @aramjones หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This episode was FASCINATING

  • @natigrinkrug
    @natigrinkrug หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    10:02 in Judaism, especially in more orthodox communities, this is very much the case. Hebrew letters are often accompanied by diacritics to denote vowels, but in the case of the Bible they are also accompanied by cantillation marks (“flavors” in Hebrew) to denote how to “sing” each syllable. Very analogous to how a Muslim might “sing” or “recite” the Quran.

    • @lifestealanimations9438
      @lifestealanimations9438 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Very interesting, the Old Church Slavonic bible also has these diacritics that are interpreted by scholars as saving ink through shortening words into single or two letters but they don't really try to interpret why it's the case. Also the same way Hebrew has the letter ET that means infinite cycle of beginning and end, Old Church Slavonic has the letter YAT at the end of the Alphabet to denote this unending loop. In the glagolitic script it's a pyramid divided in three parts for trinity while in Cyrilic script its an upsidedown Ankh. I think Greeks used the letter alpha with omega to get this across in the translation of the bible but the English did not. I also find similarity to the Vedic mantra AUM (commonly known as OM) where each vowel represents a stage and part of the holy Trinity: A-Creation (Brahma), U Preservation (Vishnu), M Change/Destruction (Shiva). AUM is used at the beginning and throughout all Rigvedic hymns which are sung.

    • @EliSoffer
      @EliSoffer หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly analogous, I’m shocked by how little Alex knows about Judaism.

    • @tartarus1322
      @tartarus1322 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@EliSofferhe should stop talking to Christians about the Hebrew Bible and start talking to hebrews 😣

    • @tartarus1322
      @tartarus1322 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Relevancy being that that’s how we know the ending and beginnings or the “crescendo” as the other guy called it.

    • @AssyriacUnitarian
      @AssyriacUnitarian หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@tartarus1322 Alex has genuine concern and criticism against Christianity. Specifically, the core doctrine of mainstream Christianity, which is found in the very European Bible.

  • @Swamp72
    @Swamp72 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very fun episode, the free flowing conversation was great.

  • @afilanus7084
    @afilanus7084 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Small correction: In modern Hebrew, the word את (et) is used as a direct object marker when referring to a thing that is preceded by a definite article. So you would say אני אוכל את הבננה (Ani okhel *et* habanana) [I am eating *the* banana], but not אני אוכל את בננה (Ani okhel et banana) [I am eating a banana]. In this case the et is not only unnecessary but grammatically wrong. And I think much of the confusion around את as used in the Bible really just revolves around the fact that most people who are interested in the meaning of this word don't speak Hebrew. I can almost guarantee you that the usage of את is not as interesting and mystical as English-speaking Bible scholars would like it to be. This is not a very interesting concept to any single Hebrew speaker, it's just the way we mark direct objects.

    • @elijahwise4588
      @elijahwise4588 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      But his point was that it might have a different context in which it's used 3000 years vs how it's used today

    • @itamarmaxsagi9437
      @itamarmaxsagi9437 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      את משמש להראות על משהו ספציפי אני יכול להגיד: "אני אוכל בננה" וזאת לא בננה מסוימת זאת סתם בננה, אבל אם אני מוסיף את לפני הבננה אני מדבר על בננה ספציפית. כשאתה מספר לחבר שאחלת בננה אתמול וזאת סתם עוד בננה אתה לא תוסיף "את" אבל אם אכלת בננה מסוימת אתה תגיד: "אכלתי את הבננה".
      אני חושב שבאנגלית ה- "the" משמש גם כ- את וגם כ ה' הידע כי אם זה לא בננה ספציפית אתה יכול להגיד a במקום the לדוגמא "I ate a banna" או "in the beginning god created a universe and a erth" ה "the" פשוט גם כ את וגם כ ה' הידיעה

    • @adrianblake8876
      @adrianblake8876 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@itamarmaxsagi9437 "את", כפי שהראשון אמר, משמש לציון מושא ישיר, ליידוע הרי משתמשים בתחילית "ה־". אפשר לומר "נורית אכלה התפוח, הפרח זרקה בחצר", ואתה יודע שמדובר בתפוח ופרח מסויימים גם בלי המילית "את" (ואכן, המשפט כשר גם בלי צורך ב"את"), ועדיין יישמע לך הרבה יותר נכון אם היו אומרים "נורית אכלה 'את' התפוח, 'ואת' הפרח זרקה בחצר"...

    • @petermsiegel573
      @petermsiegel573 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@elijahwise4588we very well know the usage 3000 years ago is the same as today (with small differences as for any long-lived language). The language has been continuously used, so there hasn’t been a time when e(y)t’s meaning was temporarily out of use.

    • @Joviex
      @Joviex หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Modern Hebrew isnt Ancient Hebrew. Keep up.

  • @moonchart
    @moonchart หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I LOVED THIS! Loved seeing the next generation of thinkers having an "ingenious" chat. In a way, i could see you both figuring "et" out as you went along. Perhaps older people should learn to be more flexible and open. Chris and Alex are both handsome in their own ways. Thanks guys!

  • @scape211
    @scape211 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    interesting conversation. I appreciate Alex's willingness to not just discuss this but also admit his lack of understanding of hebrew. I personally dont know much either, but know those who have taken courses on it. Its a pretty difficult language to grasp. But what I also know is that any pastor of church worth his salt has a degree in biblical study called a Master of Divinity. Most MDiv grads today must take courses in Greek (NT) and Hebrew (OT). Certainly it doesnt mean they will know all the nuance of it compared to someone who studies it for years, but its good to note versus many of us who read it at face value from the English.

    • @TheRook12325
      @TheRook12325 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think one hard thing about all of this is that there are so many ideas and that at least I have found that finding the full truth is lost because there are millions of ideas that could be correct and also have support. I find myself feel dumber each day as I learn more about all the different thoughts and perspectives.

  • @Yamikaiba123
    @Yamikaiba123 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    YES! So glad that you've readen Stephen Mitchell's translation of the Book of Job. It's what got me into biblical studies and Hebrew recitation! My ultimate goal is to produce a stage musical of the book.

  • @CCgamingCC
    @CCgamingCC หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Idk if im alone in this but i genuinely found this episode funny. There are so many little points/pauses/noises/expressions that just make me laugh

    • @austinsorhus4105
      @austinsorhus4105 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      59:34

    • @veridicusmind3722
      @veridicusmind3722 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Someone should edit this episode to only include those

    • @KGS922
      @KGS922 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's what you got out of this

  • @kobeischildren
    @kobeischildren หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    @_magnify is just such a great channel. Been subscribed forever. For ironland! Great episode, one of my very favorites

  • @skyistaken1605
    @skyistaken1605 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A guest that i firmly underestimated and a way more exciting episode than anticipated

  • @Bronco541
    @Bronco541 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This was one of the best podcasts yet.

  • @graywatts14
    @graywatts14 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I started watching Alex years ago as an atheist, and continue to watch as a born again Christian. Always fascinating discussions.

    • @tunzlunz
      @tunzlunz หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Interesting. How come you kept watching him even though you are now a Christian?

    • @91YEHNAH
      @91YEHNAH หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cancer in children... Why do thank your god for that?

    • @dylanhoss3387
      @dylanhoss3387 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@91YEHNAHnot religious, just get embarrassed for Christians constantly being dogshit at defending their religion. Anyway, ask Job
      This is kind of a dogshit argument against Christianity, it’s pretty clear biblically that life is a test of faith, if there were 1. Proof of god and 2. No hardships/bad/evil things
      Then there would be no test of faith.
      Also, if we’re talking about morality of god, why would an eternal being feel bad about the cancer death of a child, especially if that eternal being knew that the child would soon experience eternal bliss? It would be even less than ripping a band aid off of a child from his perspective.
      We joke that “god works in mysterious ways” is a horrible explanation for anything, but be honest and logical, that WOULD be true. Take god out of it, imagine you have an AI that is aware of EVERYTHING that is, has been, or will ever be, do you really think you would be able to logically understand its actions or motives? Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure we have chess computers so advanced that sometimes make moves GMs can’t understand because the computer is able to think so many more moves ahead than humans can, an eternal god would be that times literal infinity.
      We’re basically talking about a lovecraftian eldritch being here, why would ever expect shit to be normal?

    • @thegospei
      @thegospei หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@tunzlunz it actually helps in affirming your faith cause when you think about the reasons Alex does not believe in God and try to answer that

    • @axxel9626
      @axxel9626 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@91YEHNAH We don't thank God for cancer. We thank God for not having it ourselves, and we pray that those children may get cured.

  • @AngelMass
    @AngelMass หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the most amazing Collab I've seen in years

  • @wertyvk9667
    @wertyvk9667 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Huge oversight in this podcast that as a Jew completely sticks out to me like a sore thumb. The Torah is lyrically, it is literally sung when read. Any Jew would know that, cantillation completely shapes the reading of the text. Literally the first thing any bar or bat mitzvah would know. I have a great deal of respect for your work, but this was a very simple oversight which you easily could have rectified with the barest amount of research or a single Jewish voice on this issue of translating *our* holy texts

    • @kanadakid147
      @kanadakid147 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      That's such a great point, which is lost in the Christian bible!

    • @scottm85
      @scottm85 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Why does singing it matter?

    • @SergioAnubarak
      @SergioAnubarak หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@scottm85It's not the same thing to whisper to you to be quiet, than to shout at you to be quiet
      To give you a fairly simple example that avoids all the complexity of language, But it has even more implications

    • @urijahkaplan1855
      @urijahkaplan1855 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@scottm85 The cantillation marks indicate phrasing/punctuation...it goes back to Babylonian vocalization in the 6th century (CE). The Septuagint received some punctuation at roughly the same time. Of course, the Hebrew Bible is much older than that.... so the overall thrust of the podcast is correct.

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@kanadakid147 Yeah, why does singing it matter? If God were all-powerful and all-knowing, then he would have created a language and a holy book that worked perfectly together, kind of like Arabic and the Quran.

  • @eziowayne
    @eziowayne หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Loved this discussion so much! Y’all have to talk more often!!

  • @minahana1112
    @minahana1112 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoyed listening to you guys talk and I've also learned a few new interesting things. I hope this wasn't your last conversation!!!

  • @Lunar.67
    @Lunar.67 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Great guest Alex!

    • @bankafouf
      @bankafouf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, right... !

  • @stranger2Utube
    @stranger2Utube หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was, surprisingly, given the supposed subject, one of the most fascinating conversations I've seen Alex do ❤

  • @sunefred
    @sunefred หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Clapping has to be deeply rooted with us, maybe even a reflex. A lot of mammals clap as well, dolphins, apes, monkeys, and cows.

    • @dvanaestcestica1135
      @dvanaestcestica1135 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      How do cows clap? :)

    • @stvbrsn
      @stvbrsn หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      You left out the ones that are best known for it. Seals.

    • @martinjnagy
      @martinjnagy หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haven't we just taught different animals to clap? Do they clap in the wild

    • @sunefred
      @sunefred หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@martinjnagy I didn't, but maybe somebody else did. ;-)

    • @sunefred
      @sunefred หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dvanaestcestica1135 With their hooves obviously 🙂

  • @iLuvSmartCars
    @iLuvSmartCars หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really enjoyed this crossover and discussion. Please do more!

  • @wtfgrooves3268
    @wtfgrooves3268 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Christopher was amazing. That was very interesting! Deep, thoughtful.

  • @Lifeheart
    @Lifeheart หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    45:09 Devastation comes from Latin's "devastare" meaning to lay waste to. Coming from the prefix "de-" and the latin word "vastare" to lay waste to. "Vastare" comes from Latin's "vastus" meaning empty or desolate.

  • @CrustaceousB
    @CrustaceousB หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    2:17 spot on. I recognized his face and voice but didn't remember the channel name 😂

    • @bankafouf
      @bankafouf หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why would you? ...

  • @eboqz
    @eboqz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When I saw the title, I was like: "Oh, interesting", but didn't watch it right away. Later, when I saw the Magnify's short talking about it, I ran back to Alex and played it. I love you guys.

  • @RicanStudio
    @RicanStudio หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    25:30 This is what ANE/OT scholar John Walton argues, namely that ברא is about assigning functions rather than creation from nothing. If you look at the objects of ברא in the OT this makes sense.

  • @_ismail_
    @_ismail_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That's a crossover I didn't expect, great episode

  • @ChristopherWaddelow
    @ChristopherWaddelow หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fantastic video! Please bring him on again if possible 🙏

  • @alisontheanimal4009
    @alisontheanimal4009 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved this so much. Love both of your channels and it was amazing to see you together.

  • @MichaelSarko
    @MichaelSarko หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm a rabbi and recently I was leading a Torah study during which we discussed "et", the alef-tav word. A congregant offered an excellent American English comparison in the Southern American English phrase "that there", as in "that there book" indicating, with complete certainty, that specific book to which I am referring.

    • @_magnify
      @_magnify หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That’s a really interesting connection. Some would say that Southern American phrases like “that there” and “might could” are needlessly redundant, but if you live here you kind of catch on to their unique connotations and rules for usage.

    • @eliminoh_p7877
      @eliminoh_p7877 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Are you from Tennessee? Because people here say “that there” all the time 😂

  • @jordan11752
    @jordan11752 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Magnify’s longer videos are great too! There’s only a couple but I hope he makes more

  • @antimatterhorn
    @antimatterhorn หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    a weird consequence of mereological nihilism is that you then concede that the world we live in is essentially minecraft, where at base, the minecraft world is a single 3d model made of many units that may be textured or empty (air), and when you mine or build, you're just changing the texture state of one of those units.

    • @TheGiantMidget
      @TheGiantMidget หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What's even more crazy is that this includes you. You are just an arrangement of atoms that have always existed

    • @j8000
      @j8000 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lots of the stuff that go into the "you"-construct was previously used by a sun and, more tantalizing, possibly by a pterodactyl.

    • @tudornaconecinii3609
      @tudornaconecinii3609 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheGiantMidget Not sure that's exactly true. It is possible, under extreme conditions and given enough luck, for the vacuum quantum fields to randomly oscillate into the requisite quarks for a proton, with the oscillations being close enough to each other to bond. And then that proton catches an electron, becoming a hydrogen atom, eventually covalently bonds with an oxygen and another hydrogen to make a water molecule, and eventually finds its way inside you. Now, sure, the proton wasn't created out of *nothing* , it's a reordering of the energy of the quantum fields, but what matters for the purpose of mereological nihilism is that it wasn't made by just rearranging simples.
      So it's probably more accurate to say "You are just an arrangement of atoms that have existed for billions of years"

    • @TheGiantMidget
      @TheGiantMidget หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tudornaconecinii3609 okay billions of years then. The point is that all the components of your body are made of stuff that was here way before anyone you know existed. That's a weird thought

    • @pyros4333
      @pyros4333 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TheGiantMidgetand yet you are more than the materialistic sum of your parts 🤔

  • @GodlessCommie
    @GodlessCommie หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This was great. I loved the etymology tangents. I hope to see magnify as a recurring guest like Dr. Justin Sledge.

  • @paladinkhan
    @paladinkhan หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super glad to see you two talk and id love to hear it again!

  • @LGranado-pj6nb
    @LGranado-pj6nb หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Video starts at 0:01

    • @TheTortuga58
      @TheTortuga58 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Video *started* at 0:01

  • @MaxwellBakerYou
    @MaxwellBakerYou 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Whoever is the French-speaking guy behind the scenes, so AWESOME he was there. It's just so cool how he comes into the discourse here SO organically. One of my favorite episodes as it developed, despite the initial confusion of why this particular guy was the right guest for the topic. Thank you!

  • @wesleyjames5974
    @wesleyjames5974 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Your whole discussion of mereological nihilism reminded me so much of Buddhism philosophy. Specifically about Tian Tai and their 3 Truths. It’d be cool if you did a video about that.

    • @tsedubgyatso
      @tsedubgyatso หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also see Nagarjuna

  • @kylepetruzziello3321
    @kylepetruzziello3321 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s pretty amazing the production value and how it really feels like they’re in the same room together

    • @_magnify
      @_magnify หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We were in the same studio in London!

    • @Hrochnick
      @Hrochnick หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@_magnifythe British electrical sockets behind you were the give away for that one!

  • @MindGap-2020
    @MindGap-2020 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I'm surprised that you guys mentioned the 'musical notation' up the Quran completely ignoring the fact that the Jewish Torah was orally transmitted with 'musical' as a part of the text, and considered as important as the letters themselves.

    • @urijahkaplan1855
      @urijahkaplan1855 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Those were added many centuries later.

    • @MindGap-2020
      @MindGap-2020 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@urijahkaplan1855 there's a very good chance that that's how they were orally transmitted, in a song format since that's way easier to remember words that are put to music, obviously that can't be proved though

    • @MindGap-2020
      @MindGap-2020 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @urijahkaplan1855 evidence to by the many sources such as the mishnah and other early rabbinic texts the idea of musical notation with the text predates the Quran, that's why I mentioned it

    • @urijahkaplan1855
      @urijahkaplan1855 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MindGap-2020 There is no evidence that "Jewish Torah was written with 'musical' as a part of the text".

    • @MindGap-2020
      @MindGap-2020 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct, edited

  • @EssayChaiTea
    @EssayChaiTea หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice, two of my favorite TH-camrs. Love it

  • @TommyMaverick
    @TommyMaverick หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wait... this is the duo I never knew I needed

  • @eileenlubruidh6804
    @eileenlubruidh6804 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These episodes that explore the history of the bible and biblical figures etc are the little treatz I live for

  • @simplybaker.
    @simplybaker. หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is not a crossover I thought would happen, but I absolutely love it

  • @squintsyadams8463
    @squintsyadams8463 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pumped for this dude. Love his vibe.

  • @wtfgrooves3268
    @wtfgrooves3268 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ‏‪29:00‬‏ from the Jewish perspective, and the word I think Alex is missing here, which he accidentally replaces with "recognize" is the word intention.
    From the Jewish perspective that which is the force of creation is intention. In Hebrew the word intention has a shared root with the words "to aim" and "to give a direction". hence, when you use the power of intention on matter you give it an aim, a direction, that is giving it a purpose, which it didn't have previously. You do not "recognize an arrangement of matter" you SET an arrangement using intention, in order to direct this unfulfilled potential towards a designated aim, giving it purpose. The material used to build the car was their, with no purpose, no direction, no aim, their was no car, only the potential for one... a theoretically possibility, which intention can transform into reality.
    32:01 - the thing that distinguishes the chair as an object in not in the material plane, rather it is in the fact that intention was applied to make it. The thing setting the chair apart from its surroundings, even by different objects, is the type of intention that was applied to it.

    • @wtfgrooves3268
      @wtfgrooves3268 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ‏‪32:54‬‏ - what the chairs have in common is intention. They both are created with the same intention. What unites them is not necessarily to be found in their factual description of parts or their form.

  • @mitchreeves8622
    @mitchreeves8622 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey Alex; I think you should the read "Sefer Yetzirah". I believe it might shed some light on the questions surrounding the first few lines of Genesis. The "Sefer Yetzirah "is generally considered to be a Kabbalistic text, but is much much older. In Hebrew tradition it's the first thing God reveals to Abraham about the universe. If it were canon, it would be the Genesis before Genesis.

  • @swq293
    @swq293 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Alex, please consider having Rabbi Tovia Singer on your podcast! He is exactly what you are looking for. I promise.

    • @alexisfonjallaz7237
      @alexisfonjallaz7237 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Rabbi Tovia Singer is very good at deconstructing a Christian reading of the "Old Testament", but not as good at applying this scepticism to the truth claims resulting from his own reading of Torah.

    • @swq293
      @swq293 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alexisfonjallaz7237 Fair enough. Totally agree. I didn't assume that he's making a good case for the truth of Torah/Tanakh. His reading is that of a believer, no doubt about that. But I think that his knowledge on the topic and especially that of the Hebrew language would make an informative podcast.

    • @alexisfonjallaz7237
      @alexisfonjallaz7237 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@swq293 Definitely an interesting guest. I'm just not sure how open he would be for a real conversation, since he mostly debates fundamentalist nutcases and afaik has never been properly challenged on his own beliefs.

    • @charlesbivens6757
      @charlesbivens6757 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Sorry. Tovia Singer is simply not in Alex’s class. He carefully chooses those he debates or what topics he addresses. By no means am I a fundamentalist but Singer is no intellectual. He gives religion, any religion, a bad name. Yuck.

  • @thebealers2102
    @thebealers2102 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool to see a long format conversation on this one

  • @danielvest9602
    @danielvest9602 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    My mother was a very religious woman, and late in her life she began to learn Hebrew and ancient Greek for exactly this reason. Her insights were very illuminating.

    • @milesgrooms7343
      @milesgrooms7343 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What illuminations did she have?

    • @danielvest9602
      @danielvest9602 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@milesgrooms7343 My favorite was how many words and phrases were translated from Hebrew into "thou shall not" when the original meanings ranged from "this is bad for you" to "this is forbidden".

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@danielvest9602 I can't imagine having my deconstruction journey so late in life. On one hand, your mom got to experience the bliss that religious ignorance gives you for a lot longer. On the other hand, kind of a bitter pill to swallow that late in life... I'm guessing she stayed a Christian despite all of her "revelations"?

    • @BobJeff-x3u
      @BobJeff-x3u หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danielvest9602 did this ultimately cause her to leave the faith?

    • @danielvest9602
      @danielvest9602 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @JD-wu5pf She became a Christian after these revelations and because of them. Before that she was an agnostic searching for meaning in all the world's religions.

  • @SearchfortheMeaning
    @SearchfortheMeaning วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's dignified significant and quietly appreciative.

  • @b4builds89
    @b4builds89 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Best crossover ever.

  • @isaiaheaves7294
    @isaiaheaves7294 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Best collab of my life holy shit thank you

  • @thejoriath
    @thejoriath หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    For the formless and void part 16:21 The Hebrew tohu va-bohu doesn’t convey strict, conceptual formlessness as much as it evokes a world that is raw, undefined, and almost whimsical in its chaotic energy.

    • @DarkHound9999
      @DarkHound9999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Peterson linked these words (as well as "tehowm" used later to describe "the deep") with Tiamat, which is the great mother of Summerian tradition from Enuma Elish that gets asociated with pre-cosmogonic chaos the world gets to be made out of.

    • @drewdavidson663
      @drewdavidson663 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      whimsy-pimsy or namby-pamby which means something weak or lacking in substance

    • @Agryphos
      @Agryphos หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@DarkHound9999tehom is the deep, it is cognate to the name tiamat for the godess tiamatin the enuma Elish. As far as I know Tohu is a different thing

    • @Velothi1
      @Velothi1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds nice

  • @yoav_tc
    @yoav_tc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was a really interesting listen! Was excited to view Bereshit Aleph (בראשית א) in a new light.
    I myself am an atheist Jew, so I've heard Genesis 1:1 lots of times, but Chapter 6 (36:33 - 45:17) made me actually try to read and understand the words.
    Great stuff as always Alex!

  • @gtrdaveg
    @gtrdaveg หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Studies have found that, in the majority of cases, even though languages differ in efficiency, information rate is similar across languages. This is possible because, as languages decrease in efficiency, the speed at which they are spoken increases. It is believed that the guiding factor is how quickly our brain can process the information contained in the speech, not how quickly we can theoretically utter the words.

    • @starstenaal527
      @starstenaal527 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sounds like this is more about information density per time unit than precision.

  • @Achilnxs
    @Achilnxs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:47 another example to support the claim of clapping’s efficiency over shouting or vocalizing approval is that when we use our voices to value a thing we typically differentiate our approval by tone, such that disapproval would be uttered differently then how we would utter an approval. As such, in order to understand a groups opinion through an utterance would require for coordination in order to have the same utterance for approval and the same utterance for disapproval across the entire group. Clapping trivializes that initial problem of synchronizing responses for large groups just simply by removing the need to account for said variable.

  • @mohammadzaarour7949
    @mohammadzaarour7949 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Oh the dude from the moses painting video no way, i like him for his videos on writing systems. This is so cool

  • @davisvarghese1524
    @davisvarghese1524 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At 16:30:
    It seems that The “helter skelter” “singsongy” word used in the original Hebrew - which is then translated to “formless” by (what seems to be) Greek philosophical tradition - is intentional in every sense of the Hebrew word. I imagine the use of a word that ITSELF is without any particular meaning, i.e. formless, captures the very essence of the cosmology it is attempting to describe.

  • @margett__
    @margett__ หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a native speaker of another gendered language (Russian) I'd say my perception of objects differs only in relation to nature. I don't particularly care that my bed is feminine and my sofa is masculine, they are equally comfortable and soft. However, the fact that an oak tree is masculine and a birch tree is feminine affects my perception in some subtle way. Or the sun that is neutral vs the moon that is feminine. I have a hard time capturing this in words, but there's something in there. Earth is feminine, water is feminine, a lot of nature related words are. I think it does subconsciously make you perceive nature as a woman more than a man. Wouldn't the same be true for English with its "Mother Earth" though? So, maybe folktales and cultural archetypes have more to do with this phenomenon than grammar. And then, what about gender neutral words? The sky is neutral, for example. So yeah, I don't know. At the same time, I was blown away to have discovered that the sun is feminine in German, whilst the moon is masculine. It made me feel uneasy at first, which was so hilarious to observe in myself. It became apparent to me that my brain is preprogrammed by my first language in ways that cause visceral reactions when a different point of view arises. That being said, it seems to me it's quite easy to either underestimate or overestimate the importance of gendered words in a language, especially when trying to make a point in support of your pre-existing beliefs about the state of the world and how things should be handled. This topic in its entirety is fascinating.

  • @azul86
    @azul86 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One of the issues I have with religions, and the written texts in particular, is the thought that over the centuries, the words have been translated and transcribed by countless people. And because of that, there is room for error.
    I said this to my Dad once, who is a devout Christian. His answer was along the lines of, "The word of God cannot be corrupted. The scholars and priests over time have worked faithful to the lord to ensure the text we have is as it was intended."
    I personally find that a dangeously blind belief, but I choose not to attempt to disrupt his faith. Aside from the fact I very much doubt I could, my dad is one of the most amazimg people I know. He has such goodness in his heart that if this is what his faith makes of him, I am glad he has the beliefs that he does.

    • @EmilyTodicescu
      @EmilyTodicescu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "The word of God cannot be corrupted" is more of a Muslim sentiment than Christian (excluding the more fundamentalist, "Answers In Genesis" type Christians). A more nuanced take is that the Bible has a built-in fractal nature, which means that even if 90% of the books had been lost or corrupted, the basic gist could still be gleaned from what was left.
      This also explains why there are four gospels, each with subtle differences in order or emphasis. Taken together, they function like a stereoscopic snapshot of Jesus' ministry. But if we had only ever had access to - say - the Book of Luke, we still would have gotten the overall picture.
      Yes there are differences between the earliest manuscripts we still have (and yes they are copies of copies), but the vast majority of these differences are insignificant grammatical variations or slightly different spellings of the same word. Same goes for comparing the Dead Sea Scrolls, in which partial or complete copies of the Old Testament can be cross-checked against the handed-down texts. Completely mistake-free? No. But the amount of similarity is remarkable, and more than enough to provide a high degree of confidence that scholars can recover much of what the original authors intended to convey.

  • @valmid5069
    @valmid5069 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    *“It would be a pity if, in a desire (rightly) to treat the Bible as more than a book, we ended up treating it as less than a book by not permitting it the range and use of language, order, and figures of speech that are (or ought to be) familiar to us from our ordinary experience of conversation and reading"* ----John Lennox

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So what does John Lennox add?

    • @pyros4333
      @pyros4333 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The concept that interpretation is the message not the words.

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pyros4333 John Lennox adds the concept that interpretation is the message not the words? Aren't there many interpretations of the Bible? And isn't that a flaw, not a feature?

    • @pyros4333
      @pyros4333 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@paulthompson9668 how many ways is there to interpret a book? Now multiply that by translations. Now add the fact that it's a compilation.
      The beauty of history is that we will never know for sure and can only interpret but those interpretations are wondrous for our minds.

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pyros4333 And yet John Lennox wants me to believe the Bible is the word of God, a perfect being.

  • @arnbrandy
    @arnbrandy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One reason to clap is that it only makes a really loud sound of a lot of people clap together. It is thunderous only if there is support for it, unlike screaming.

  • @ruatavalte7870
    @ruatavalte7870 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fro Iron Land 😄💯💯💯🏆🏆🏆🎉🎉🎉🎉👿👿👿🥵🥵🥵🥳🥳🥳🥰🥰🥰😤😤😤
    Love you too Alex.❤❤❤❤

  • @Fwam95
    @Fwam95 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I friggin’ love this @_magnify dude. I always love that my algo would know exactly when I need him in my feed. One of my favorites to watch- Thanks for having him on Alex. Great episode

  • @mikeuk2000
    @mikeuk2000 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Clapping is often done as a form of behavioural synchrony in a group as a form of recognition and social identity in a group. People performing similar actions at events can significantly influence how they feel and their resulting behaviour. This synchrony occurs when large groups of people spontaneously coordinate their actions, creating a sense of unity and shared experience. At sporting events, it's often observed in the form of coordinated cheering, rhythmic clapping, or synchronized movements like the "wave" passing through a stadium. This collective behavior reinforces social bonds within the crowd, enhancing the feeling of belonging to a larger group and social identity. The synchrony can amplify emotional responses, leading to heightened excitement or disappointment that spreads within a crowd.

  • @lukaslambs5780
    @lukaslambs5780 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Clapping might come from a simple outlet for/lack of control over one’s excitement. Babies, kids, and some animals do it when they get excited it’s sort of like stimming. That’s a possibility of the origins of clapping.
    Clapping is less precise and more energy intensive than shouting so in my opinion that seems most plausible.
    This is far from a consensus, it’s just what I think based on what I’ve read about the subject!

    • @skulduggeryvile7887
      @skulduggeryvile7887 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That explanation I really like a lot, especially having seen it in babies as a stimming response when they haven't seen others clap before.

  • @justinshadrach829
    @justinshadrach829 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid and discussion. I will be buying Alters translation! I love history and scholars like John Walton and NT wright to understand the context and literary devises which are missed in our modern context. Really enjoyed this. God bless you Alex.......'if he existed' 😂
    One thing I thought hilarious.
    'do you eat ribs over here?'
    Alex replies 'I think...no that's more an American thing' 😂😂😂
    Alex clearly needs to spend time outside the village! 😂 Ribs are very popular in UK.

  • @smadaf
    @smadaf หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    3:22 "I think, in Ancient Hebrew, there is like little markings on a scroll to let you know when you've reached the end of a line." Wouldn't the fact that you're _at the end of a line_ tell you that you've reached the end of that line?

    • @jimktrains0
      @jimktrains0 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Perhaps he means poetic line and not textual line?

    • @smadaf
      @smadaf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jimktrains0 , my understanding, which is very limited, is that, as late as the first and second centuries A.D., the Hebrew of the Old Testament was written with no punctuation at all, not even any diacritical marks to indicate vowel-sounds, not even spaces between words and between sentences-but with space between chapters. soitwouldbelikethisfromthebeginningofachapterallthewaytotheendofthechapterandthentherewouldbeaspace andthenthenextchapterwouldbegin

    • @ItsMikeylol
      @ItsMikeylol หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Native Hebrew speaker here-Biblical Hebrew is marked with, well, marks, that signify how to read the words tonally to form a sort of song out of them. It isn’t punctuation, but rather a primitive form of it. That’s why at orthodox Jewish prayer times you’ll hear the rabbi changing tones constantly in a somewhat similar manner to how mandarin does, except the tone doesn’t determine the word itself it determines how the sentence flows.

    • @smadaf
      @smadaf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ItsMikeylol , but aren't those marks relatively new? Were they used in Biblical times?

    • @ebenshabat
      @ebenshabat หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There are no punctuation markings on a Torah scroll.
      I've read it many times, can confirm. (There are rare exceptions to this.)

  • @Maurcusj777
    @Maurcusj777 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely brilliant. Thank you both!

  • @Bentzi_Ganot
    @Bentzi_Ganot หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I really feel like Alex could benefit greatly from exploring eastern ideas from disciplines like Dao, Buddhism and Zen. The concept of non dualism or the balance of Emptiness (Anata) and compassion, is something I think he can find really interesting.

    • @tsedubgyatso
      @tsedubgyatso หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a Buddhist monk I enthusiastically agree 😂

  • @jonathanlanser1129
    @jonathanlanser1129 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Alex things literally do pop into existence. If we take a quark pair, they always exist in pairs, and we separate them enough to break them free of the strong force holding them together, immediately 2 more quarks pop into existence to pair up with the ones we pulled apart.

  • @KEES114
    @KEES114 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My apologies if one of the previous 472 comments already mentioned this, but the research about the different gender of bridges leading different language communities to assign differing values to them is mentioned in one of my favourite TED Talks, 'How language shapes the way we think' by Lera Boroditsky, th-cam.com/video/RKK7wGAYP6k/w-d-xo.html (together with other great examples supporting the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis.)