Wow, you did it exactly like i did mine! i had like 0.2mm gap for liners after they went into LN and the block into oven and was able to put all of em in at once! Also, let me guess, Land rover liners +1mm on the outside? :) I really hope you put the block on the Press after you let it cool down!! Assembling mine this weekend. Greetz from Germany
@@robertfontaine3650 cnc uses something called lasers and probe sensors for the old spring hone tools you need a torque plate but that tool in that machine it does not need torque plates for the probe and lasers measures in thous so it calculates what is being taken away while honing. When you use a cnc millers or lathe the same thing that makes wheel bearing spindles to press fit and they fit perfect as long as the calculations are input right in the machine these end products can be checked with micrometers and bore gauges these are 100% correct! If the bore has been over bored too much the machinist do not know what he is doing fully. You should check in bore gauge all the time to make sure end product is correct. But as for CNC they do not make mistakes unless probe or lasers is faulty and the machine will not operate. When the tool go outwards that is how the machine knows how much is removed and also the zero reference point would have been picked up and mark by the probe before the machining process begins to mark the axis on X and Y where they start and stop. These machines are very precise that is why they are use to machine every modern engine block because they are so precise on measurement.
@@robertfontaine3650 all a torque plate does is to keep the top of the cylinder bore to exact bore size without one and using old hones stones with spring will make them a few thousands of an inch over bore! I learn that when I first honed a block out 1mm by hand drill and it worked compression great and everything no oil past rings but notices the top of the bore was over bore by 0.2 of a mm i learnt the hard way. The only thing i noticed was when taking the piston out the top of the bore it was a little loose nothing major when the rings expand when hot this problem went. Notice it also on bore gauge but since as the piston rings are so far down in the bore this was not a problem down in the bore was within tolerance 5mm at the top was over. The cnc machine is what made the same torque plate you are going on about. After block skim should not be a major problem you will only get minor piston slap on first start up if the bore is over bored too much down over 5mm in. This will go away after engine is warmed up.
Tow questions please. Why does this say Diy when the machine looks like an expensive piece of hardware? Is their a lip left at bottom of bore or does it bore all the way through?
Wow, that was the first time I've seen that. I bet I know what piston rings you are going to use 😂😂. It was so interesting to watch! Does that machine produce the cross hatching on the fresh cylinder walls? What displacement engine is this? Will the compression be like factory set after the head gets planned? Sorry for all the dumb questions but I'm only curious. This gives me a renewed love in our sweet 6 cylinder engines. Thanks for uploading as always!
Max Lindner I live i UK, prices for one liner around £100-£120 but I'm not British so I send block and cyl.head to Poland to my friend so block total amount was £250 and £90 for head 😎
I was thinking about kompressor(supercharger) but to convert this car to proper 3.0 facelift I need 6speed gearbox,diff,driveshafts,ect. This block and later cylinder head took a long trip to get new life (not UK) so It was cheap comparing to UK prices :D
wow supercharger i bet that would cost a few pounds i was thinking a ebay turbo kit around £155 just to get a bit more out of the engine low boost so you dont have to spend to much at first lol. yes uk prices would be somthing daft for this to be done its nice to watch it thanks for getting them to record it
yorkitea what ever you do, do not get a 155£ eBay turbo kit. There can’t be any quality for that money and you’ll be just buying headaches. The turbo itself should be 3-4x that money at the very least, same goes for the manifold.
You do know changing the distance of the hight of the block changes or head, how ever small, will retard the cam due to reducing the distance from the cam to the crank gear. The cams will have to be re-degreed. Power gain is made by advancing the cam timing.
With all due respect, have you ever seen a camshaft from an M54 engine? The camshaft sprocket is not fixed to the camshaft itself due to the presence of a double vanos system. Every time you put the timing together, you are resetting their relative position using a set of alignment tools. Check 50skid video on that subject.
He's replacing the iron liners inside of the block. The block is made out of Aluminium, which is a softer metal, so what he's doing is boring out the block in order for him to place in stronger liners and then cutting them to be flat with the deck surface. This is done to strengthen the block so it can handle more power.
I don't know why BMW Engine buliders are tight liped about links to parts and tuning. Honds love to share this stuff to piss off BMW's with tuned 500hp 1.6 L turbo set ups. Funny but true.
No torque plate tisk tisk tisk. This will result in those cylinders being out of Round by 1 to 2 thousandths, which is what all the people on the forum cry about with poor ring seal and piston noise. Torque plate allows tighter piston clearance and better ring seal. It is such an easy step for finish honing and absolutely necessary on cast aluminum blocks running 4 head bolts per cylinder. I guess it doesn't matter too much for regular engine use but even then stock is performance levels.
false look at the tools on the machine no room for play cnc machined with probes 100% accurate if you dont trust it learn to use one then. The tools used to machine hat block is the tool used to make a torque plate! the tool used is cnc controlled the tools used fot that is not cheap these guys clearly by tools of choice surely not novice at doing this kind of job very smart engineers!
@@adrianask9519 it's got nothing to do with the torque plate itself. BMW blocks especially will be out of round by design until the head studs/bolts are torqued. This distorts the cylinder wall. Proper Blueprinting uses torque plate for final hone at a minimum. If you check the cylinders machined without a torque plate and they are round, they will be slightly out of round after being torqued. Especially critical for German Nicasil or exposed silicate bores. I was only making a joke anyway, to each his own. Just remember these little suckers love to puff oil smoke, any little thing helps.
Nice, a freshly machined block!
That engine is gonna run soooo smooth, good shit dude.
3:02 he’s saying “kurwa “ . Polish guys are awesome! Great job!
good night friend, is there a way to recover bmw n20 engine block, cylinder
A fresh deck block is the best
Which website do you use to purchase piston sleeves for m54 from?
Wow, you did it exactly like i did mine! i had like 0.2mm gap for liners after they went into LN and the block into oven and was able to put all of em in at once! Also, let me guess, Land rover liners +1mm on the outside? :) I really hope you put the block on the Press after you let it cool down!! Assembling mine this weekend. Greetz from Germany
Hi Rage do you have a part number for those LandRover sleeves ?
Hi there what company did the work where are they based thanks
old post but wondering why a torque block wasn't used when ensuring that the cylinders were round?
because it is cnc machine 100% accurate!
@@adrianask9519 Because the end product is under torque it would make sense to CNC is under the same conditions.
@@robertfontaine3650 cnc uses something called lasers and probe sensors for the old spring hone tools you need a torque plate but that tool in that machine it does not need torque plates for the probe and lasers measures in thous so it calculates what is being taken away while honing. When you use a cnc millers or lathe the same thing that makes wheel bearing spindles to press fit and they fit perfect as long as the calculations are input right in the machine these end products can be checked with micrometers and bore gauges these are 100% correct! If the bore has been over bored too much the machinist do not know what he is doing fully. You should check in bore gauge all the time to make sure end product is correct. But as for CNC they do not make mistakes unless probe or lasers is faulty and the machine will not operate. When the tool go outwards that is how the machine knows how much is removed and also the zero reference point would have been picked up and mark by the probe before the machining process begins to mark the axis on X and Y where they start and stop. These machines are very precise that is why they are use to machine every modern engine block because they are so precise on measurement.
@@adrianask9519 I don't think you understand what a torque plate is or does
@@robertfontaine3650 all a torque plate does is to keep the top of the cylinder bore to exact bore size without one and using old hones stones with spring will make them a few thousands of an inch over bore! I learn that when I first honed a block out 1mm by hand drill and it worked compression great and everything no oil past rings but notices the top of the bore was over bore by 0.2 of a mm i learnt the hard way. The only thing i noticed was when taking the piston out the top of the bore it was a little loose nothing major when the rings expand when hot this problem went. Notice it also on bore gauge but since as the piston rings are so far down in the bore this was not a problem down in the bore was within tolerance 5mm at the top was over. The cnc machine is what made the same torque plate you are going on about. After block skim should not be a major problem you will only get minor piston slap on first start up if the bore is over bored too much down over 5mm in. This will go away after engine is warmed up.
Hi bro. I tried looking for piston sleeves for m54 engine to buy but I'm not finding anything.
Hello
Is the engine still running?
How much $ and is it bored to 84mm?
I love watching these kinds of video and would like to do this work by hand if it is possible?
Tow questions please. Why does this say Diy when the machine looks like an expensive piece of hardware?
Is their a lip left at bottom of bore or does it bore all the way through?
After hash tag it's title of series
How much did a job like this cost to you?
How much it cost to do this to my motor?
You make that sleeve flush to the surface without flange on it? Is that even safe? I mean, what if the sleeves slides down when the engine running?
There is a lip on the block ,nothing will slide
yeah exactly, there is only really one way to do this and this way is not the safe one.
stektirade because you’re the machinist right 🤔
Original 84mm?
Wow, that was the first time I've seen that. I bet I know what piston rings you are going to use 😂😂. It was so interesting to watch! Does that machine produce the cross hatching on the fresh cylinder walls? What displacement engine is this? Will the compression be like factory set after the head gets planned? Sorry for all the dumb questions but I'm only curious. This gives me a renewed love in our sweet 6 cylinder engines. Thanks for uploading as always!
Lycan ZHP It's gonna be same size engine with GOETZE rings same as I used in my 2.5 just fresh block, BTW i will make video and tell more about plans
do they make for BMW?
Witam jaki koszt otulejowania?
how about compression. will it be same as a new one
how much does new one have?
@@ElbowgreaseDIY yes. How much . 10.2/1 or more. ?
Yeah how much?
How much power will the block now take?
@ that might be close
No one does this in USA I hope to find a machine shop like this .
Yes they do 😃
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Lots of shops do.
That looks nice...... and expensive!
That's what I thought so why does video say Diy.
On a further note can one use a hone to widen the original bore enough to fit a dry sleve?
Aprovecharia esto. para usar un piston de 87mm. y asi uso el piston del s54.
Where did you get the liners and what do they cost?
Max Lindner I live i UK, prices for one liner around £100-£120 but I'm not British so I send block and cyl.head to Poland to my friend so block total amount was £250 and £90 for head 😎
Awesome. 120 GBP per liner is pricey though!
to do it in UK is probably a 1K plus head 350 to 600
very cool man you ever thought of turboing this build. And also how much did it cost to have that done is it worth the money to have this done
I was thinking about kompressor(supercharger) but to convert this car to proper 3.0 facelift I need 6speed gearbox,diff,driveshafts,ect. This block and later cylinder head took a long trip to get new life (not UK) so It was cheap comparing to UK prices :D
wow supercharger i bet that would cost a few pounds i was thinking a ebay turbo kit around £155 just to get a bit more out of the engine low boost so you dont have to spend to much at first lol. yes uk prices would be somthing daft for this to be done its nice to watch it thanks for getting them to record it
yorkitea what ever you do, do not get a 155£ eBay turbo kit. There can’t be any quality for that money and you’ll be just buying headaches. The turbo itself should be 3-4x that money at the very least, same goes for the manifold.
is that CNC?
th-cam.com/video/bIMqszIPR64/w-d-xo.html
How much ?
You do know changing the distance of the hight of the block changes or head, how ever small, will retard the cam due to reducing the distance from the cam to the crank gear. The cams will have to be re-degreed. Power gain is made by advancing the cam timing.
With all due respect, have you ever seen a camshaft from an M54 engine? The camshaft sprocket is not fixed to the camshaft itself due to the presence of a double vanos system. Every time you put the timing together, you are resetting their relative position using a set of alignment tools. Check 50skid video on that subject.
Are these OEM sleeves? Have you looked at installing flanged sleeves like the darton ones before?
why don't you go for a turbo build if you are planning this engine to be absolutely perfect?
Vlad ZSX why don’t you just watch the video and shut up?
where this machine shop? looks like polish language at some screens.
Yes ,Poland
does they have a website?
@@EJProMods dziak.pl facebook.com/DZIAK.GM
Ile taka przyjemność?
zwykle 200zł od cylindra
Diameter ?
84
Elbow Grease why not more ? How much mm was the sleeves?
for more you need bigger piston and that was over budget already
thicknes or what? inside diam .84mm
Elbow Grease how much was posible wiht this neu sleeves?
you cant just use the b25 block witjout machining?
I could but , maybe I will sell 2.5 as running engine
yeah thats a good idea ,this block is from the b30 from ebay seller ?
this is another block ,I didn't want to invest money into that overheated one ,that one I got it for 30 pounds :D
Can anybody tell me ,what is all the process in this video? likes dilling turning....blahblah
He's replacing the iron liners inside of the block. The block is made out of Aluminium, which is a softer metal, so what he's doing is boring out the block in order for him to place in stronger liners and then cutting them to be flat with the deck surface. This is done to strengthen the block so it can handle more power.
I don't know why BMW Engine buliders are tight liped about links to parts and tuning. Honds love to share this stuff to piss off BMW's with tuned 500hp 1.6 L turbo set ups. Funny but true.
@Ha ha. That is one big assumption. Lol
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engine rebuild?
These are scammers, this block needs to be sleeved with an upper stop.
why?
No torque plate tisk tisk tisk. This will result in those cylinders being out of Round by 1 to 2 thousandths, which is what all the people on the forum cry about with poor ring seal and piston noise. Torque plate allows tighter piston clearance and better ring seal. It is such an easy step for finish honing and absolutely necessary on cast aluminum blocks running 4 head bolts per cylinder. I guess it doesn't matter too much for regular engine use but even then stock is performance levels.
false look at the tools on the machine no room for play cnc machined with probes 100% accurate if you dont trust it learn to use one then. The tools used to machine hat block is the tool used to make a torque plate! the tool used is cnc controlled the tools used fot that is not cheap these guys clearly by tools of choice surely not novice at doing this kind of job very smart engineers!
@@adrianask9519 it's got nothing to do with the torque plate itself. BMW blocks especially will be out of round by design until the head studs/bolts are torqued. This distorts the cylinder wall. Proper Blueprinting uses torque plate for final hone at a minimum. If you check the cylinders machined without a torque plate and they are round, they will be slightly out of round after being torqued. Especially critical for German Nicasil or exposed silicate bores. I was only making a joke anyway, to each his own. Just remember these little suckers love to puff oil smoke, any little thing helps.