I still don’t understand why so people and pros still downplaying Ken he’s literally at the top and always been. I’m glad y’all invited Nephew for this one cause he ain’t lying
He is still really fricking good. its just he stay in the same place and ppl have perception problem. When other characters got buff to match the top tiers and close the tier gap they now perceive buffed character as top tiers equivalent and the old top tiers get some nerfed so ppl think now the original top tiers are lower which is not true at all. it's just people have perception problem. it's hard to find ppl who are rationally honest.
@@Amalingand he getting lit up. So many characters are doing great. So anyone focusing on Ken, is some weird bias at this point. Scene been having weird shit towards Ken since SF4.
The fact that I can recognize the character portraits _even when they’re blurred out_ is either a testament to the strength of SF6’s art direction, or a sign that I probably need to get my glasses prescription re-checked.
The best thing they've done is color coding the characters, colors play such a huge role to how people perceive characters, like black, gray and purple for akuma, aki and the psycho power gang, to show their evilness and convey how sinister they/their powers are, and red for the big mean mfs for their ferocious fighting style but also a warm color to signify they are the nicest people you'll meet
Bison’s mobility for supposedly being a power type is insane. I may go back to maining him at some point, but even I can’t believe how good his movement is
The big damage loss for Blanka was the reduction in the blanka-chan setups. I don't think the other damage cuts affected him so much, but the doll mix doesn't guarantee the match anymore.
Kim was mad up played in the beta and she appears to be around the same tier as last season. So if she ever gets buffed to top tier I don't wanna her complaining, she deserves it.
It's really pathetic. With Cammy you have so many interactions to turn things around. With Ken you guess wrong twice you die. Top Ken players have been downplaying so hard. Refuse to even admit that he's decent. Crying everytime someone points out how insanely busted the character is. Every single top tier character got nerfed except Ken. We can't nerf the character morons flock toward.
@@dariang4725 As a Cammy main I always say this. You have to fuck up SO MANY times in order for me to win (unless i have full meter, but then again..everyone is explosive with full meter in sf6)
It's because Ken doesn't have anything like Guile's slow fireball drive rush pressure and Dee Jay's sway. These are things that fundamentally breaks the game. It becomes a one player game when you have things like these that fundamentally break the game. Ken is very good, but he needs that game breaking, exploitative mechanic to be solidly considered a top, top tier character.
I feel like Ed will rise a bit in tier lists as more and more top players swap to him. A lot of notable Dee Jay mains in Asia have moved to him for example. It really seems to come down to execution and practice getting the most out of his lvl2. I think Akuma will keep in in mid-low A though. He has a lot of mix up from the air and air is one of Ed's weakness's. But at the same time we have not seen any results from Ed and I have no idea why so many top players in Asia are picking him up.
Ryu is in A y’all sick, didn’t even really give a good explanation for putting him and B either besides “there are so many other good characters in this game” lmao
I agree. Ryu is better than people are giving credit. I think it's just a low pick for top tier players (and mid tier kind of) because of style points. Ken is on top because he's not only good, but he's out of Ryu's shadow as a top tier in his own way. And Akuma is the SF fashion pick.
I think it's more a consequence of her (for some reason) having no plus-on-block moves for the entirety of season 1, despite grapplers needing that to enforce a mix in the first place. It's a "big deal" that she now has a plus move, but she should have always had it to begin with. The damage buff to her level 3 makes her strike game more threatening to close out a match which is good, but she probably needed buffs in other areas like the anti-fireball properties of her spin. I'm not gonna drop her until I hit Master at least. I still think she's a fun character despite it being a bit of a struggle. It's at least less of a struggle now and Capcom has already made it clear that we won't have to wait 9 months to a year for the next balance patch. They're clearly scared of overtuning her, but an easy fix for that is a broad-based damage nerf across the roster. With the general damage output being so high for the time being, she's a volatile character in a volatile game, which probably explains part of why she's not represented much at the pro level.
What they should do with Manon honestly is slightly increase range on some normals, increase dmg(2% for each medal for normals) for each medal she has but also remove 1 medal everytime she gets knocked down, if she has 3 or more medals then all her supers get atlease 7fr invincibility and if she gets 5 medals then all her special moves increase dmg by 10% aside from the command throw buffs. If she lands a drive impact she gets 1 medal
@@meatwadisgod for me, her drive rush is one of the biggest reasons why she is horrible. Characters like deejay and juri have insane distance and speed on their DR, manon has the slowest twirl on the planet and it goes absolutely nowhere distance wise. I enjoy playing her, but i find myself not often using DR in neutral simply because it is so slow and doesn't go anywhere, it only catches people who are literally afk :/
@@TheGreektrojan JP was definitely top tier, that's the difference. But yeah people don't wanna admit that they just want conventional shot0 archetypes to be top tier, no weirdo characters that make them think.
@@TheGreektrojanjp really was too damn broken before the nerfs on the other hand aki is just a braindead character in this season, walk back fireball DR mixup into corner into death, also gimmicky shit with air hit grab and comand grab and the fact that her crossup jump is a shimmy
no, no. Please continue to put Ryu in mid tier at best - he really needs all the buffs he can get. :p Please don't check MC Mura's video on how Ryu got a LOT of great new toys.
@@jaserror yeah he got good stuff this season. But he's still as straightforward as it gets and one of the most honest characters in the game if not the most honest. People think having a couple plus frames with denjin hashogeki and solar plexus means he's not honest. If that's confusing and oppressive to you I'm sorry but it's not because he's not honest, you're just mashing. He still revolves around fundamentals, footsies and capitalizing on the opponent's mistakes rather than shoving his own gameplan down everyone's throat whether you like it or not unlike some characters like Ken. I can see the argument to him being A tier since he's really solid at what he does. But he's nowhere near top tier. All Ryu does is expose people that mash because he punishes very harshly. But you can never get anywhere mashing with Ryu compared to some characters. By mashing I don't just mean randomly pressing buttons even though some characters can even make that work. Some people keep pressing light punch even if they don't know if it's their turn or not. I think that was the entire idea behind light punch conversion damage nerfs. Taking your turn back with Ryu demands good fundamentals and ACTUALLY understanding when you can take your turn back rather than abusing oppressive bullshit.
@@InaluoghThere is nothing honest about gettin 70% off 1 st.hp button for no fucking reason, he litterally got almost marisa damage while not having her downsides
@@Inaluogh where does this honest character bullshit come from? Ryu's all the way to the top level jump like crazy to catch you once for the insane damage he puts out. They will eat 3 or 4 straight AA's just to catch you out once lol. And hasho frame traps are also honest i suppose😂😂 get outta here
The Honda slander 😢. I don’t think Honda is C. His buffs were solid. They nerfed his gimmick stuff and made him an actual SF character now. As a Honda main, low B would suffice for me 😅
So I’m only intermediate at best in SF6, so maybe I’m wrong but I feel like Ed worst match ups are Aki and Akuma (even though if you catch him you can fuck him up pretty well). Other than that, I think Ed be mid tier. Not great, but also not bad. A pretty solid pick that has answers for most things, but yeah better anti-airs be pretty nice to have
This is a very good list, might be the most accurate one yet for Season 2. Lines up with the trouble I get from all these characters haha. Akuma is borderline A/S though. Hard to say for sure like they said. That low health makes more of a difference than I thought. 2 bad interactions and you're pretty much dead.
Why play manon when zangief does what she does but thousand times better ? He has good drush, his spd does more damage than manons until she got 5 medals and he has 1000 more health lol
Only one I gotta disagree with is ryu. My man destroys everyone in B tier and below and can hang with most of A too. His neutral with his damage output is too good
Absolutely spot on list! It's almost the same as mind except I have Kimberly below Ryu. Focusing on Ryu, one of his biggest issues are his lack of hard-to-read optional offenses. He may hit hard with cool mix-up combos, but it doesn’t mean too much as he struggles to hit his opponent in close-up move exchange situations. Due to Ryu's slow active frames, he struggles at extreme close-up exchanges which occurs 40% of the time in the game. All the characters that are above him in the tier list do not have those issues, especially Marisa, Cammy, Juri, Akuma, DeeJay, Rashid, Aki, Rashid, and Chun Li. Other issues with Ryu are his lack of tools to make it easier for him to get out and/or flip any dangerous situations to his advantage. Even something as simple as Jumping, nearly everyone above Ryu in the tier has faster jumping launch speed that allows them to avoid getting 2MK or even standing HP, and his slower DI speed really doesn’t help (and doesn’t make sense to have his DI slower than Ken either). It's tough to be great with Ryu because he cannot rely on specials like Akuma, Ken, and Cammy. He needs to be the best in fundamentals despite having slower Normals which makes things so much harder for him. I know awesome MC MuraFGC recently did a Ryu video communicating why he believes Ryu is strong. That video has some great points but I’d argue that "general" real-world results communicate differently. This is especially so when you compare the successes of all the higher tier characters to Ryu across the board of players; their success stats are far and above. I know people mentioned Mago saying that he believes Ryu is strong. That's all well and nice, but action speaks louder than words for hardly any pro gamers are picking Ryu even after trying him out. I am an advocate for sensibilities, so I'd rather everyone who is above Ryu in tier to be nerfed to B tier, especially since many of the things the higher tier characters can do are arguably unfair (e.g., Rashid lvl2, Guile's sonic blade to super slow 2 hits sonic boom that allows Guile to follow after and retains their numerous arsenals of offenses and counter tools, etc). But since that won't happen, I believe everyone in B tier and below needs to be sensibly buffed with new tools in an effort to bring the entire roster more to balance in aid for fairer competition.
Nah you can’t put Marisa in A right now, honestly she got some buffs, but there is so many good character this season. Overall I still think she is more like a B tier. Good video btw 👌🏼
If ryu did not get better than ken or luke or didnt supercede them by that much tournament players wont pick him up and go through muscle memory training. A character needs to be busted for someone to reinvest.
Ryu is better than half the characters in A yet people rate him as the 5th worst character. These pros are all better then me but the tier lists they make feel like such a toss up after the top 5. I swear pros put him so low because none of them bothered playing because of how broken Akuma and Ken are right now. Because there ain't no way that heavily nerfed Luke somehow is better then Ryu who got an insane amount of buffs.
Idk if you pay with level, but unless you're playing high level tournaments and placing consistently tier lists aren't for you. If you do then they are for you.
@@gh0rochi363man this content is here for discussion and he’s totally right. Ryu is AT LEAST a top 10 character even though I’d say he’s top 5. He actually has an identity now and it’s to be a bully. He’s got the easiest plus frames, murders drive meter and does a ton of damage as well as having an above average fireball game. Tier lists like this might not matter as much to anyone not placing in tourneys but they’re here for discussion. Pro players are indeed better players but a lot of us players that can hit master consistently can definitely have thoughts on the game that are pretty accurate
@@MrMastermelo15 when did i say it couldn't be discussed? I didn't say that anywhere. Read my comment. His complaint is about pros. These lists are for pro level. That's objectively true. If you aren't pro it's want not for you. Manon sucks, but me losing is a skill issue not because she's literally bottom tier. I'm not a pro her tier isn't why I'm losing.
I'm gonna say that for now Rashido is a clear top 1. Full disclosure I put more weight on actual tournament results over theoretical or perceived tier.
As a guile main respectfully he’s a good character but not top 3 off the top of my head , Ken , Luke , deejay Akuma, bison , Ryu and maybe even cammie and chun Li are all argueable as good or better then him i think out of those 8 he might be 6 or 5th outta all of them which isn’t bad as this actually is a pretty well balanced game although the back end kinda struggles and they didn’t do the new ones any justice imo and I didn't even mention blanka , JP or dhalsim But low key I think top /pro players will downplay there mains hard prolly to avoid them getting nerfed or picked a bunch lol
Yooooo how did you ask Nephew opinion and then just put Ken as number 2 😂? He even said he didn’t think Ken was top 5 last season when everyone thought he was broken. Is he a Ken down player too 😂?
Why did they cook my boy JP? lmao I haven’t played SF6 since last year but he was by far the coolest character on the base roster. They should have just nerfed OD amnesia and called it a day
I'm a bit surprised that cammy didn't make top 5 and instead Rashid did. Been maining her since day one cuz she felt like a stong high tier but not good enough to carry scrubs to masters. I really didn't rely on spin knuckle, so do other good Cammys, so the nerfs were subpar and she now has meterless conversions all while every other top tier except ken getting nerfed made me think she'd be a solid top 5 character now.
This is my top 5 too except swap Luke for Aki. Aki has absurd damage, bubble mix, tick coward crouch grab, her dive is fireball invincible. I don't think people have accepted her fully but she's better than Luke now.
Some characters are hard to deal with, but it's a good time to be a Juri main; she didn't get any meaningful nerfs, and the target combo super cancel actually does give her a slightly better route into Lv1 in some cases. Very happy with where she's at currently
@Pichoniix Juri is probably Level A. In fact, she's almost certainly Level A in this second season. JP and Blanka were probably A tier, in my opinion, they are potential S tier but they are A tier. Very close to S tier for one thing or another. Juri was probably among them, but only at tier A. For a while I had her at tier B, the strongest of tier B, but I suspected she was tier A and apparently she was Level A: JP, Blanka and Juri?
@@Dev_Astral well they said it was going to be disjointed at first. However since his success as a character people going through the whole fake 50 50 fighting zangief.
Ed is way too low. All his level 2 combo variants are the main reason why he's way better than he should be and should be higher up on the list. There's so many pro Ed players in Japan for a reason because of all the Momochi tech that was learned. It also helps massively that you can actually perform these level 2 combos reliably in high stakes matches.
As much as id love to say my main Rashid is top 5, hes really not. Has a hard time against Ken, Marisa, Chun Li, Guile, Deejay and JP. His anti-airs need a buff and even with EX it can still trade if done too late.
Na bro I’m a Rashid main he’s busted if you know how to play him all those matchups you suggested are quite easy barring guile but even then you can use the forward flip to get in.
Also, the first tier list that got Chun right. Dudes have been up-playing Chun the whole life of the game so far. Her throw range might be the stubbiest in the game. I'd say she's actually the "honest" character. Not Ryu's ass.
"Japan only plays top tiers" but ED bottom 4 while he's played by many Japanese top players ? Ryu bottom 5 ? I feel you made that tier list a bit too much on the spot and should've thus adjusted it at the end.
You guys are really overrating sim having reversal now. Does less damage with jab nerf and acouple other character buffs imo put them past him. I think hes bottom 5 now
Ken to A and Luke to S. Luke might even be best. This ken complaining has to stop. He hasn't been S since his corner game has been nerfed. His throw loop didn't just get removed his corner game is now very predictable depending on his movement.
@@supacoldwater8136 Ken and JP and luke were top tier since day 1 that ken downplay bs will not work on me not even top 5 😂 every tourney he is always there with luke just smiling.
And they say Rashid is good because of Saudi Arabia, most people on Twitter/TH-cam/Reddit are bots man, stop taking them seriously, it's just a waste of your time.
@heroe1486 Rashid is top tier for sure I would just like 1 change for him and that's to make it so that if he is hit during lvl2 they need to remove the tornado, same like how they remove the spikes when JP gets hit and they need to do the same with ed. I don't think any character should be able to spam lvl2 and go all in without consequences
4:00 it's very hard to take this tier list seriously because of this. Rashid was ok, but since he won a tournament very recently he's top 3 all of a sudden? The only notable thing that changed with him was that Big Bird dropped Marissa for him and his level 2 got slightly nerfed. No shade to nephew or anything but I call bs
I think Rashid is up there, they were just sleeping on him and Gachikun for some reasons. But by his "Japan just play top tiers" logic ED should be higher since they're all playing him
Tbh in sf6 i dont think theres a real tier list. Especially when when Juri as a character dominated the capcom cup and Juri as a character received buffs. Not sure how Guile keeps being placed so high when he BARLEY wins tournaments if he wins at that. Ryu being so low is sad because im 100% sure Ryu has 100x more chances winning than Zangief yet he's placed in C tier. I honestly think sf6 season two is really balanced and its no longer character but skill and knowledge that will take you to the distance.
The more top players play a character the more he'd win tournaments, Guile is just an archetype that not everyone likes, when Dhalsim is top tier he doesn't win that much tournaments either
@@jamaledwards8118 If that was completely true than there wouldn't be so many pro ed player even though he's no better than average on paper. People play who they enjoy most of the time
Gtfoh , guile is good but he's not better than akuma, bison, luke, ken , and blanka those guys are way better and can do what guile does as well, guile was good at season 1 but he has some horrible matchups, JP, cammy, and some others, I think bison is top 1 now for sure
BS list, first no...Akuma is NOT S tier, not sure if anyone is watching results, but Akuma is not still as strong as he should, he is good, but S TIER naaahhh.....also JURI A tier hahahah Nephew my boy the DOWNPLAY here is LEGENDARY, a character that won Capcom cup, not receive any significant nerfs, only buffs, and now is lower than her previous version? HOW??....Juri is still and S tier and I not take no BS lies of anyone saying the contrary and she is my secondary so I should downplay her. Also in what universe AKI is that buffed that surpass Luke, Chunli and Cammy, c'mon people and again....I should down play Cammy she is my MAIN but no, still she kicks Aki's royal butt and the results of the WWs this past week proven that.....she is nice now, definely A tier but not better than Luke, Chun or Cammy (hell I not think she is still better than JP or Deejay), B tier seen about right, except I think I'll move Ryu up to Kim, but that's about it. My list would look like this: S Tier: Ken, Guile, Rashid, Juri, Blanka (in what universe Blanka is not S with still LV2 super doing the work). A Tier: Luke, Chunli, Cammy, Akuma, Deejay, JP, Gief, Aki, Marisa. B tier: Lilly, Dhalsim (just because I haven't seen enough and I have no idea where ge goes), Ryu, Kimberly, Ed and Jamie. GARBAGE Tier: Honda and Manon seems about where they belong. Bison so far feels fun and strong, not sure yet but for the little I have seem, he might ended now in A, but he could easily ended been lower, we will see.
What results for Gouki ? The dude has been out for a month an made it too DH summer's top 3 and was the #1 or #2 most represented character in top 64 and 32, name a character who achieved that ? Daigo is #2 of this Topanga group with him also.
I still don’t understand why so people and pros still downplaying Ken he’s literally at the top and always been. I’m glad y’all invited Nephew for this one cause he ain’t lying
Because many pros are Ken mains. Ken's popular. People will do anything not to get their main nerved. You think they care if it's unbalanced?
Players are worse now than ever before. Can't comprehend shit.
If you made a vid telling them he's top 3, then the sheep would start saying it.
@@GodsDissapointmentmeanwhile Tokido isn't downplaying and he's the most popular Ken main in the world, respect
He is still really fricking good. its just he stay in the same place and ppl have perception problem. When other characters got buff to match the top tiers and close the tier gap they now perceive buffed character as top tiers equivalent and the old top tiers get some nerfed so ppl think now the original top tiers are lower which is not true at all.
it's just people have perception problem. it's hard to find ppl who are rationally honest.
@@Amalingand he getting lit up. So many characters are doing great. So anyone focusing on Ken, is some weird bias at this point. Scene been having weird shit towards Ken since SF4.
The fact that I can recognize the character portraits _even when they’re blurred out_ is either a testament to the strength of SF6’s art direction, or a sign that I probably need to get my glasses prescription re-checked.
The best thing they've done is color coding the characters, colors play such a huge role to how people perceive characters, like black, gray and purple for akuma, aki and the psycho power gang, to show their evilness and convey how sinister they/their powers are, and red for the big mean mfs for their ferocious fighting style but also a warm color to signify they are the nicest people you'll meet
Meanwhile Tekken 8... all the women have the same face.
bahahaha good comment. I approve of this comment wholesale.
I thought you were gonna say you know the game too well and need to take a break from it 😝 But I guess you mean your vision is blurry? 👀
Bison’s mobility for supposedly being a power type is insane. I may go back to maining him at some point, but even I can’t believe how good his movement is
Cheating ass character
I had a hard time fighting A.K.I. last year lol. Now she's even harder to deal with
I think a lot of these decisions aren’t really about how strong/weak they are but how many and who’s representing them to showcase that.
The big damage loss for Blanka was the reduction in the blanka-chan setups. I don't think the other damage cuts affected him so much, but the doll mix doesn't guarantee the match anymore.
Kim was mad up played in the beta and she appears to be around the same tier as last season. So if she ever gets buffed to top tier I don't wanna her complaining, she deserves it.
She's a fucking nuisance she dont need buffs
I never understood the Ken down play and the Cammy up play.
Ken is popular so all the Ken players don’t want to get their main nerfed so they up play the next multi side switching blonde caucasian in Cammy
It's really pathetic. With Cammy you have so many interactions to turn things around. With Ken you guess wrong twice you die.
Top Ken players have been downplaying so hard. Refuse to even admit that he's decent. Crying everytime someone points out how insanely busted the character is.
Every single top tier character got nerfed except Ken. We can't nerf the character morons flock toward.
@@dariang4725 As a Cammy main I always say this. You have to fuck up SO MANY times in order for me to win (unless i have full meter, but then again..everyone is explosive with full meter in sf6)
Ken busted, but cammy is also really really good. Super stable gameplan
It's because Ken doesn't have anything like Guile's slow fireball drive rush pressure and Dee Jay's sway. These are things that fundamentally breaks the game. It becomes a one player game when you have things like these that fundamentally break the game. Ken is very good, but he needs that game breaking, exploitative mechanic to be solidly considered a top, top tier character.
I feel like Ed will rise a bit in tier lists as more and more top players swap to him. A lot of notable Dee Jay mains in Asia have moved to him for example. It really seems to come down to execution and practice getting the most out of his lvl2. I think Akuma will keep in in mid-low A though. He has a lot of mix up from the air and air is one of Ed's weakness's. But at the same time we have not seen any results from Ed and I have no idea why so many top players in Asia are picking him up.
Crazy how Ed got developed
Ryu is in A y’all sick, didn’t even really give a good explanation for putting him and B either besides “there are so many other good characters in this game” lmao
All it'd take for them to change their opinion is a good japanese player to main him and have results
@@heroe1486tier lists dont really matter as much in the game as random as sf6
I agree. Ryu is better than people are giving credit. I think it's just a low pick for top tier players (and mid tier kind of) because of style points. Ken is on top because he's not only good, but he's out of Ryu's shadow as a top tier in his own way. And Akuma is the SF fashion pick.
They hit the nail on the head with Ed. His anti air game and no reversal holds him back big time. However, he can still win hella matches
He has a reversal with his ex DP, it's just a bit slow, but top japanese players + Leshar are playing him so idk
Ed is definitely an improvement over how he was in 5
Zangief to 10 in Street Figther??!
We did it boyz! '/party hats
nephew is s tier in cuteness
Truly a cutie patootie
He’s so awkward yet intriguing
he look boring and ugly to me
Most accurate list so far. Shoutout to Nephew. Ken, Akuma, Guile, Rashid, Aki are my top 5 right now.
Ken isn't top 5 sorry
As a Guile-Bison player I totally agree with you
As a Rashid main (not a very good one but im trying) its nice to see him up there. For me hes just fun to play even if i lose
Great run at ceo man you were playing lights out!
Manon getting basically nothing is so frustrating :-/
S3 her best buff will be removing her from the character select screen
Medals start at 5 and count down 💀
I think it's more a consequence of her (for some reason) having no plus-on-block moves for the entirety of season 1, despite grapplers needing that to enforce a mix in the first place. It's a "big deal" that she now has a plus move, but she should have always had it to begin with. The damage buff to her level 3 makes her strike game more threatening to close out a match which is good, but she probably needed buffs in other areas like the anti-fireball properties of her spin.
I'm not gonna drop her until I hit Master at least. I still think she's a fun character despite it being a bit of a struggle. It's at least less of a struggle now and Capcom has already made it clear that we won't have to wait 9 months to a year for the next balance patch. They're clearly scared of overtuning her, but an easy fix for that is a broad-based damage nerf across the roster. With the general damage output being so high for the time being, she's a volatile character in a volatile game, which probably explains part of why she's not represented much at the pro level.
What they should do with Manon honestly is slightly increase range on some normals, increase dmg(2% for each medal for normals) for each medal she has but also remove 1 medal everytime she gets knocked down, if she has 3 or more medals then all her supers get atlease 7fr invincibility and if she gets 5 medals then all her special moves increase dmg by 10% aside from the command throw buffs. If she lands a drive impact she gets 1 medal
@@meatwadisgod for me, her drive rush is one of the biggest reasons why she is horrible. Characters like deejay and juri have insane distance and speed on their DR, manon has the slowest twirl on the planet and it goes absolutely nowhere distance wise.
I enjoy playing her, but i find myself not often using DR in neutral simply because it is so slow and doesn't go anywhere, it only catches people who are literally afk :/
I don't necessarily agree with all the choices here. Luke is weaker than Gief? Seems like a strange choice to me lol
You seen Gief after the buffs mah boi. You watch the JPN tournament 👀
AKI gets some buffs and immediatly people are up playing her ... gotta get ready for aki nerfs next balance patch.
Yeah unfortunately.
Happened to JP season 1. There's definitely a strong portion of the community that hates when any non-standard character is top tier.
@@TheGreektrojan JP was definitely top tier, that's the difference. But yeah people don't wanna admit that they just want conventional shot0 archetypes to be top tier, no weirdo characters that make them think.
@@TheGreektrojanjp really was too damn broken before the nerfs on the other hand aki is just a braindead character in this season, walk back fireball DR mixup into corner into death, also gimmicky shit with air hit grab and comand grab and the fact that her crossup jump is a shimmy
Guile is one of the few zoners, and is important to maintain meta balance
puttin Ryu in B tier is a war crime
Thats your opinion. B is descent for me.
no, no. Please continue to put Ryu in mid tier at best - he really needs all the buffs he can get. :p
Please don't check MC Mura's video on how Ryu got a LOT of great new toys.
@@jaserror yeah he got good stuff this season. But he's still as straightforward as it gets and one of the most honest characters in the game if not the most honest. People think having a couple plus frames with denjin hashogeki and solar plexus means he's not honest. If that's confusing and oppressive to you I'm sorry but it's not because he's not honest, you're just mashing. He still revolves around fundamentals, footsies and capitalizing on the opponent's mistakes rather than shoving his own gameplan down everyone's throat whether you like it or not unlike some characters like Ken. I can see the argument to him being A tier since he's really solid at what he does. But he's nowhere near top tier.
All Ryu does is expose people that mash because he punishes very harshly. But you can never get anywhere mashing with Ryu compared to some characters. By mashing I don't just mean randomly pressing buttons even though some characters can even make that work. Some people keep pressing light punch even if they don't know if it's their turn or not. I think that was the entire idea behind light punch conversion damage nerfs. Taking your turn back with Ryu demands good fundamentals and ACTUALLY understanding when you can take your turn back rather than abusing oppressive bullshit.
@@InaluoghThere is nothing honest about gettin 70% off 1 st.hp button for no fucking reason, he litterally got almost marisa damage while not having her downsides
@@Inaluogh where does this honest character bullshit come from? Ryu's all the way to the top level jump like crazy to catch you once for the insane damage he puts out. They will eat 3 or 4 straight AA's just to catch you out once lol. And hasho frame traps are also honest i suppose😂😂 get outta here
The Honda slander 😢. I don’t think Honda is C. His buffs were solid. They nerfed his gimmick stuff and made him an actual SF character now. As a Honda main, low B would suffice for me 😅
I mean low b or #1 c is like the same thing haha
@@Mr_Archer15 You’re right, I just don’t want him in the same tier as Manon 😆
C. Honda
@@pleaseshutup7053 My heart 💔
20 bucks says Kizzie downplays DeeJay before I watch the full video.
Lol 😂
He was actually pretty honest haha
Apperantly Gief is better then DJ
Send him money
Where's his $20
So I’m only intermediate at best in SF6, so maybe I’m wrong but I feel like Ed worst match ups are Aki and Akuma (even though if you catch him you can fuck him up pretty well).
Other than that, I think Ed be mid tier. Not great, but also not bad. A pretty solid pick that has answers for most things, but yeah better anti-airs be pretty nice to have
his worst matchups are dj and cammy, imo
This is a very good list, might be the most accurate one yet for Season 2. Lines up with the trouble I get from all these characters haha. Akuma is borderline A/S though. Hard to say for sure like they said. That low health makes more of a difference than I thought. 2 bad interactions and you're pretty much dead.
I wonder if you guys are going to do Bison’s SF6 trials, I was doing them earlier and there are some mad setups with Backfist Combo’s bomb.
Poor manon
Why play manon when zangief does what she does but thousand times better ? He has good drush, his spd does more damage than manons until she got 5 medals and he has 1000 more health lol
@@Lyahrklol because i don't like Zangeif and like Manon.
@@gh0rochi363 this is the correct answer /thread
@@Lyahrklolher neutral is godlike, cant say that bout gief in this game
@@Lyahrklolbecause I like Manon more than gief
Only one I gotta disagree with is ryu. My man destroys everyone in B tier and below and can hang with most of A too. His neutral with his damage output is too good
I'd put Ryu infront of Akuma. Parry makes dealing with Akumas ambiguity/antics easier than dealing with Ryus neutral tools IMO.
Ken is the Anakin Skywalker of Street fighter. Everything is about him in the end.
Ed is doing damage in Japan still hard to beat here… ending walking having a ball…
Commenting on every video requesting Makoto’s BBCF combo trials, video 114.
Absolutely spot on list! It's almost the same as mind except I have Kimberly below Ryu.
Focusing on Ryu, one of his biggest issues are his lack of hard-to-read optional offenses. He may hit hard with cool mix-up combos, but it doesn’t mean too much as he struggles to hit his opponent in close-up move exchange situations. Due to Ryu's slow active frames, he struggles at extreme close-up exchanges which occurs 40% of the time in the game. All the characters that are above him in the tier list do not have those issues, especially Marisa, Cammy, Juri, Akuma, DeeJay, Rashid, Aki, Rashid, and Chun Li.
Other issues with Ryu are his lack of tools to make it easier for him to get out and/or flip any dangerous situations to his advantage. Even something as simple as Jumping, nearly everyone above Ryu in the tier has faster jumping launch speed that allows them to avoid getting 2MK or even standing HP, and his slower DI speed really doesn’t help (and doesn’t make sense to have his DI slower than Ken either). It's tough to be great with Ryu because he cannot rely on specials like Akuma, Ken, and Cammy. He needs to be the best in fundamentals despite having slower Normals which makes things so much harder for him.
I know awesome MC MuraFGC recently did a Ryu video communicating why he believes Ryu is strong. That video has some great points but I’d argue that "general" real-world results communicate differently. This is especially so when you compare the successes of all the higher tier characters to Ryu across the board of players; their success stats are far and above. I know people mentioned Mago saying that he believes Ryu is strong. That's all well and nice, but action speaks louder than words for hardly any pro gamers are picking Ryu even after trying him out.
I am an advocate for sensibilities, so I'd rather everyone who is above Ryu in tier to be nerfed to B tier, especially since many of the things the higher tier characters can do are arguably unfair (e.g., Rashid lvl2, Guile's sonic blade to super slow 2 hits sonic boom that allows Guile to follow after and retains their numerous arsenals of offenses and counter tools, etc). But since that won't happen, I believe everyone in B tier and below needs to be sensibly buffed with new tools in an effort to bring the entire roster more to balance in aid for fairer competition.
Yup. Told ya. 😂
I cant even believe you put Ryu ther, he is minimum A
Nah he is not lol
@@frikifit I play Ryu, and other 6 characters at high lv, Ryu is fucking strong
What did they do to Luke?
i play mostly ken and kimberly and i think the difference in damage output is just too big
Rashid up again
Manon post buffs feels like what should have been manon season 1
Nah you can’t put Marisa in A right now, honestly she got some buffs, but there is so many good character this season. Overall I still think she is more like a B tier. Good video btw 👌🏼
Right. Everyone is always putting Guile up top but I never see them online and can never find good vids on how to play him. What’s the deal?
Check out Guiles Garden
I think it's because a lot of people avoid charge characters
I think when you see Guille IS coming you do popoo
Literally no Luke analysis?
Guile is a really good character but…. Idk about top 2.
When the MAJOR patch dropped everyone was saying Ryu was the big winner yet NO ONE still plays him in tournaments 😂
If ryu did not get better than ken or luke or didnt supercede them by that much tournament players wont pick him up and go through muscle memory training. A character needs to be busted for someone to reinvest.
I will not take the zanfieg over hype when KEN downplay lead to him NOT GETTING TOUCHED. gief is a lot better though I'd say around marisa
I feel like people in Casual match took this tier list and ran with it. .
25:40 I think JP is in A but everyone dropped him and the video showcasing Jp he's getting destroyed 🤣😂
looooool
Ryu is better than half the characters in A yet people rate him as the 5th worst character. These pros are all better then me but the tier lists they make feel like such a toss up after the top 5.
I swear pros put him so low because none of them bothered playing because of how broken Akuma and Ken are right now. Because there ain't no way that heavily nerfed Luke somehow is better then Ryu who got an insane amount of buffs.
Idk if you pay with level, but unless you're playing high level tournaments and placing consistently tier lists aren't for you. If you do then they are for you.
@@gh0rochi363man this content is here for discussion and he’s totally right. Ryu is AT LEAST a top 10 character even though I’d say he’s top 5. He actually has an identity now and it’s to be a bully. He’s got the easiest plus frames, murders drive meter and does a ton of damage as well as having an above average fireball game.
Tier lists like this might not matter as much to anyone not placing in tourneys but they’re here for discussion. Pro players are indeed better players but a lot of us players that can hit master consistently can definitely have thoughts on the game that are pretty accurate
@@MrMastermelo15 when did i say it couldn't be discussed? I didn't say that anywhere. Read my comment. His complaint is about pros. These lists are for pro level. That's objectively true. If you aren't pro it's want not for you. Manon sucks, but me losing is a skill issue not because she's literally bottom tier. I'm not a pro her tier isn't why I'm losing.
@@gh0rochi363lol, kizzie is def not a pro in this game and hes the one making the list, everyone can discuss
Just still not much reason to play Ryu in a tournament. Especially now that demon Ryu is here
I'm gonna say that for now Rashido is a clear top 1.
Full disclosure I put more weight on actual tournament results over theoretical or perceived tier.
As a guile main respectfully he’s a good character but not top 3 off the top of my head , Ken , Luke , deejay Akuma, bison , Ryu and maybe even cammie and chun Li are all argueable as good or better then him i think out of those 8 he might be 6 or 5th outta all of them which isn’t bad as this actually is a pretty well balanced game although the back end kinda struggles and they didn’t do the new ones any justice imo and I didn't even mention blanka , JP or dhalsim
But low key I think top /pro players will downplay there mains hard prolly to avoid them getting nerfed or picked a bunch lol
Heh, what’s so good about this NuckleDu guy? Pfft he’s only 1199 MR!
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Top akuma Guile zangif bison rashid
Ryu was misplaced dudes!
JP still in A tier is hilarious
Sea King Honda. Real ones will know.
Yooooo how did you ask Nephew opinion and then just put Ken as number 2 😂? He even said he didn’t think Ken was top 5 last season when everyone thought he was broken. Is he a Ken down player too 😂?
That was hilarious this was kizzy with nephew reacting lol. He even had Honda put in c when nephew said B 😂
That was hilarious this was kizzy with nephew reacting lol. He even had Honda put in c when nephew said B 😂
Why did they cook my boy JP? lmao I haven’t played SF6 since last year but he was by far the coolest character on the base roster. They should have just nerfed OD amnesia and called it a day
I'm a bit surprised that cammy didn't make top 5 and instead Rashid did. Been maining her since day one cuz she felt like a stong high tier but not good enough to carry scrubs to masters. I really didn't rely on spin knuckle, so do other good Cammys, so the nerfs were subpar and she now has meterless conversions all while every other top tier except ken getting nerfed made me think she'd be a solid top 5 character now.
Look at the top 4 they all have fireballs. Having a fireball to combine with drive rush is just too big for being the best
No order: The Top 5 is
1. Akuma
2. Luke
3. Ken
4. Rashid
5. Guile
These 5 are the best and it’s not close.
That's a lie.
No
This is my top 5 too except swap Luke for Aki. Aki has absurd damage, bubble mix, tick coward crouch grab, her dive is fireball invincible. I don't think people have accepted her fully but she's better than Luke now.
@@jamaledwards8118 Yes lol
@@pleaseshutup7053 Yes lol the down play of these 5 is insane.
Do the BBFC makoto combo trial
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Juri 😈 is S Tier
Some characters are hard to deal with, but it's a good time to be a Juri main; she didn't get any meaningful nerfs, and the target combo super cancel actually does give her a slightly better route into Lv1 in some cases. Very happy with where she's at currently
@Pichoniix Juri is probably Level A. In fact, she's almost certainly Level A in this second season.
JP and Blanka were probably A tier, in my opinion, they are potential S tier but they are A tier. Very close to S tier for one thing or another.
Juri was probably among them, but only at tier A. For a while I had her at tier B, the strongest of tier B, but I suspected she was tier A and apparently she was Level
A: JP, Blanka and Juri?
Dude, Bison is crazy. Akuma feels easy in comparison.
I Just think Ken keeps top 1 and Blank still S tiear, and Chun-Li is better than Zangief in my opinion.
Gief got already nerfed with the Bison patch XD poor thing
And he still top tier
What was nerfed on gief?
@@jamaledwards8118Next to nothing, standing medium kick hitbox is back to what it was before.
People are seriously overreacting in my opinion.
@@Dev_Astral well they said it was going to be disjointed at first. However since his success as a character people going through the whole fake 50 50 fighting zangief.
When you watch a street fighter tier list video but the bgm is guilty gear music. I end up thinking more about what song is playing than the tierlist
Ed is way too low. All his level 2 combo variants are the main reason why he's way better than he should be and should be higher up on the list. There's so many pro Ed players in Japan for a reason because of all the Momochi tech that was learned. It also helps massively that you can actually perform these level 2 combos reliably in high stakes matches.
ed being bottom 5 is crazy
Why do some people call Bison 'Bipson'?
As much as id love to say my main Rashid is top 5, hes really not. Has a hard time against Ken, Marisa, Chun Li, Guile, Deejay and JP. His anti-airs need a buff and even with EX it can still trade if done too late.
Yeah man rashid really has a hard time doesn't he... Its not like that character has won the 2 major tournaments in season 2 already...
Na bro I’m a Rashid main he’s busted if you know how to play him all those matchups you suggested are quite easy barring guile but even then you can use the forward flip to get in.
Buff chun
Spin knuckle is so garbage now. Whats the point of even having it?
Also, the first tier list that got Chun right. Dudes have been up-playing Chun the whole life of the game so far. Her throw range might be the stubbiest in the game. I'd say she's actually the "honest" character. Not Ryu's ass.
Thank you omg ... ppl are claiming shes one od the most op complete character whatever ....
? Kens been top 5 since day 1 lol Everybody knows this.
Why the ken hate :(
Because of Ken’s crouch medium kick drive rush cancel is actually destroying everyone’s neutral I guess 🤣
@@pa5530 lol, cr mk into drive rush I sf6, not just Ken, Ken still the goat tho
"Japan only plays top tiers" but ED bottom 4 while he's played by many Japanese top players ? Ryu bottom 5 ?
I feel you made that tier list a bit too much on the spot and should've thus adjusted it at the end.
The B tier slot should be A-
And C tier should be B tier
Big Bird said Ryu is better than Ken now
There's no fucking way Gief is better than Luke
Gief up playing is crazy this season, people really hate him
You guys are really overrating sim having reversal now. Does less damage with jab nerf and acouple other character buffs imo put them past him. I think hes bottom 5 now
Unranked Bison.
To ED players made Evo top six, shows how stupid these kind of videos are
"Ken wasn't in top 5 last season" ???????????????????????????
Yeah obviously he wasn't, and he still isn't this season
Ken to A and Luke to S. Luke might even be best.
This ken complaining has to stop. He hasn't been S since his corner game has been nerfed. His throw loop didn't just get removed his corner game is now very predictable depending on his movement.
Even Tokido, the biggest Ken downplayer say that he's better this season
@@heroe1486 how? No way ken is better than launch. How does nerfed twice make something better? This is getting out of hand now.
Bro trying his hardest to downplay ken 😂
Ken is still a big problem this character even after season 4 will still be on top ffs.
Bro he's not even top 5, it's a skill issue on your part for sure
@@supacoldwater8136 Ken and JP and luke were top tier since day 1 that ken downplay bs will not work on me not even top 5 😂 every tourney he is always there with luke just smiling.
Ryu too low 😂, im fine with the downplaying tho ❤
Lol who tell u ken s tier
Zang A??? 😂😂😂
Sad that some people in the fgc is saying guile and Ken didn't get touched because of white privilege 🤣🤣🤣
Literally nobody is saying that seriously what are you smoking, also Rashid and Juri are in the same boat???
@Amaling oh yea? I seen it all over Twitter and TH-cam comments
@@MS-ql8ekyou searching for it
And they say Rashid is good because of Saudi Arabia, most people on Twitter/TH-cam/Reddit are bots man, stop taking them seriously, it's just a waste of your time.
@heroe1486 Rashid is top tier for sure I would just like 1 change for him and that's to make it so that if he is hit during lvl2 they need to remove the tornado, same like how they remove the spikes when JP gets hit and they need to do the same with ed. I don't think any character should be able to spam lvl2 and go all in without consequences
4:00 it's very hard to take this tier list seriously because of this. Rashid was ok, but since he won a tournament very recently he's top 3 all of a sudden? The only notable thing that changed with him was that Big Bird dropped Marissa for him and his level 2 got slightly nerfed. No shade to nephew or anything but I call bs
I think Rashid is up there, they were just sleeping on him and Gachikun for some reasons.
But by his "Japan just play top tiers" logic ED should be higher since they're all playing him
3:16
There's two Ryu's in first place of world warriors in two different regions, and Angry and Big both said he's top 5. He ain't no B tier.
Manon is highkey super downplayed easily a top 5 character and I don't know how anyone else sees it
How did you come to this conclusion, Manon isn't even top 10
@@Chimp_Man tbh I don't actually believe this I just like saying things on the internet to upset people
Tbh in sf6 i dont think theres a real tier list. Especially when when Juri as a character dominated the capcom cup and Juri as a character received buffs. Not sure how Guile keeps being placed so high when he BARLEY wins tournaments if he wins at that. Ryu being so low is sad because im 100% sure Ryu has 100x more chances winning than Zangief yet he's placed in C tier. I honestly think sf6 season two is really balanced and its no longer character but skill and knowledge that will take you to the distance.
The more top players play a character the more he'd win tournaments, Guile is just an archetype that not everyone likes, when Dhalsim is top tier he doesn't win that much tournaments either
@@heroe1486 a million bucks is on the line. If a character was that dominant trust and believe people will fly to where money is guaranteed.
@@jamaledwards8118 If that was completely true than there wouldn't be so many pro ed player even though he's no better than average on paper. People play who they enjoy most of the time
@@yellow4525 that just goes to show you that especially in sf6 the viability within the game.
Rashid top tier is delusion
No it's not, he's got the best mix up, best corner pressure, best setups, and best level 2 in the game. Quit smoking
I don’t think he has any bad matchups
Ken is respectfully not top 5. Yes I may main the character, no I'm not downplaying
Gtfoh , guile is good but he's not better than akuma, bison, luke, ken , and blanka those guys are way better and can do what guile does as well, guile was good at season 1 but he has some horrible matchups, JP, cammy, and some others, I think bison is top 1 now for sure
Tell me you have low MR without…..
@@weeatpizza7806 you think guile is better than bison and akuma?
@@weeatpizza7806 lmao I bet you think guile does well against cammy too cause of 1 match between punk and knuckedu
@@captaintorch1238 tell me you’re not even master rank lol….
Which, entry level master rank is the equivalent of uktra gold/platinum sfv
@@captaintorch1238 you’re having a conversation with yourself it seems.
BS list, first no...Akuma is NOT S tier, not sure if anyone is watching results, but Akuma is not still as strong as he should, he is good, but S TIER naaahhh.....also JURI A tier hahahah Nephew my boy the DOWNPLAY here is LEGENDARY, a character that won Capcom cup, not receive any significant nerfs, only buffs, and now is lower than her previous version? HOW??....Juri is still and S tier and I not take no BS lies of anyone saying the contrary and she is my secondary so I should downplay her. Also in what universe AKI is that buffed that surpass Luke, Chunli and Cammy, c'mon people and again....I should down play Cammy she is my MAIN but no, still she kicks Aki's royal butt and the results of the WWs this past week proven that.....she is nice now, definely A tier but not better than Luke, Chun or Cammy (hell I not think she is still better than JP or Deejay), B tier seen about right, except I think I'll move Ryu up to Kim, but that's about it. My list would look like this:
S Tier: Ken, Guile, Rashid, Juri, Blanka (in what universe Blanka is not S with still LV2 super doing the work).
A Tier: Luke, Chunli, Cammy, Akuma, Deejay, JP, Gief, Aki, Marisa.
B tier: Lilly, Dhalsim (just because I haven't seen enough and I have no idea where ge goes), Ryu, Kimberly, Ed and Jamie.
GARBAGE Tier: Honda and Manon seems about where they belong.
Bison so far feels fun and strong, not sure yet but for the little I have seem, he might ended now in A, but he could easily ended been lower, we will see.
What results for Gouki ? The dude has been out for a month an made it too DH summer's top 3 and was the #1 or #2 most represented character in top 64 and 32, name a character who achieved that ?
Daigo is #2 of this Topanga group with him also.
Akuma is without a doubt S tier. What game are you playing to think he's anything but top 5?