I never would have believed that Richard Dawkins would to succumb to the cult of Musk. His description of Trump was perfect. He should also use it to describe Musk.
@@bigbaldin Billionaires by default are sociopaths, it's the only way one can be one. Musk is the richest person in the known world ffs, to believe one deserves so absurdly much more than everyone else means he's one of the most impossibly solipsistic MFs to ever exist. He's the greatest danger to the world presently. This ridiculous disparity won't hold much longer. Consider yourself warned. I hope you don't find yourself wishing you'd wised up sooner one day when it's too late to stop the destruction of society at the hands of about a thousand billionaires, Musk being the highest rank.
I've very sad that I missed my opportunity to join you on this final tour, Dr. Dawkins. I wish to express my deepest thanks for all that you have done in the name of scientific advocacy and literacy and the fight against dogmatism and ignorance. Your efforts mean a great deal to an uncountable number of people and I believe that the world is genuinely a better place because of you. Thank you.
@@LukeMcGuireoides You people need to calm down. Dawkins is like 90, and he stays very busy, and generally sticks to his field of study. You cant expect him to know everything going on in the world.
Thank you. I will copy and paste my thoughts I have just written on that. I'm am so glad someone else acknowledges this. ... the only small quip that agitates it the use of music at the beginning of this video. It is typically bombastic, large-scale soundtrack to stir up the emotions prior to the discussions. Andrew Gold utilises this on his own channel. If we are to be honest with ourselves and are aiming to let intellect stand before irrational end emotional triggers, then I belief the employment of such music is tacky. The brain does not need music to think critically, analytically and objectively. I have no issue with beautiful music. I know some classical pieces bring Dawkins to near tears but the arts and the desire for emotional responses through them should not infiltrate science. The emotion that should come with science is that of thrill when uncovering a new finding.
The use of music to effect the masses and their emotional state is something typically associated with religious church services i.e. Hillsong (puke). Using bombastic music to open a Science seminar is not necessary and the hypocrisy of it's manipulative inclusion is indeed misplaced. Science is not church. Leave the emotions aside.
Interviewer: "Jordan Peterson is so smart, isn't he?" Dawkins: "Would you call it smart?" Interviewer: "He's intelligent isn't he?" Dawkins: ... Interviewer: ... Dawkins: "I'm not quite sure what point you're making then"
Dietrich Bonhoeffer studied the Nazi Gemany leadership. He found that intellegence is not linked with stupidity. Stupidity is a moral deficiencies not an intellegence deficiency. Core moral issue: facts do not matter - they believed in the triumph of the will over reality. Just like the global warming denialists believe that if they lie often enough that humans are not causing global warming then their will will triumph over scientific reality! These people in denial of global warming are the stupid people of our age.
Refer Dietrich Bonhoeffer - Intellegence and stupidity are not linked. Stupidity is a moral issue. Most stupid people believe in the triumph of the will over reality (in other words truth). This is the moral issue through which stupid people become stupid,.To avoid facing the fact that they are liars, they start believing their own lies). Like the people who believe that if they ignore global warming, it will go away - they are stupid, reality never goes away.
Critical thinking, empathy, and the relentless pursuit of truth are what define progress. As Dawkins emphasizes, questioning assumptions, challenging beliefs, and seeking evidence allow us to better understand the world and each other. Let’s not settle for comfort over clarity-let’s strive for knowledge and compassion to coexist, making the world smarter and kinder.
@@Garett.1214 True. What is consciousness; is it fundamental, and Mind is it elemental emerging with quantum events? It is not enough anymore to know a little about the elements; macro and micro and a little about forces and electromagnetism and nothing about magnetism. It is also important to be able to explain consciousness; ‘the hard problem’ for philosophy and also be able to explain Mind. That the elements created and evolved both without a prototype does not fit any narrative or reality we know of; it is the equivalent of a whirlwind creating a Rolls Royce from a junkyard.
He's a difficult case to categorise. On the one hand, he has taught at Harvard. One of the most exclusive places in the world, and published at least one book before he was well known. This speaks to a very rare intellect. On the other - he is a ranting nutter. I've seen him talk to Dawkins, and he looks like a fool. It could be that Jordan has been speaking to young and impressionable people for so long that he forgets to up his game when talking to his peers and betters.
And what makes any of you qualified to determine if someone of his calibre is smart ? What have you achived in life, academically to compare to dr. Peterson ?
@ The broader the perspective the more likely the person is to be both smart and open. He does not have the limited perspective or dogmatism of a materialist. Whether that is what makes him smart or not it definitely makes him worth listening to.
LOL, some fun.y replies here - auto bans and autobahns. Musk is definitely a sort of neo not see. He said that Germany can only be saved by their reincarnation of the not see party.
The first time I heard of Richard Dawkins I was young, and so was he. Such a short time ago! At this point, though I’m not dying to (!), I’m ready to die. I think if I had the enormous capacity for learning that he does, I would want another 120 years. And also, if we lived in an infinite world. But we don’t. The planet is finite and growing smaller every century, every minute, really. I have had a nice long turn and I know I have to make room for the next generations. Although I’ll miss them, and this world which has made me so happy with its “number of things,” they won’t miss me. Richard is another story. Not only does he move through a much bigger, more complex, more beautiful and sensible world than I do, it will miss him greatly, and for ages, when he departs. Cheers, Richard. Thank you for expanding my small life. How I wish I could have met you, even for one minute!
@@caezar55 😂😂😂 he doesn't care about govt efficiency. He just wants more no bid contracts and subsidies. If he cared about govt spending he wouldn't be so greedy for it and sucking it all up.
Interesting to visit Belfast at a time when the Northern Ireland Education Minister and Chair of the Northern Ireland Education Authority are both young earth creationists. Sad times.
In point of fact, were the average IQ to increase by any amount, say 10%, anyone who previously had an IQ of 100 would still have an IQ of 100. The top of the bell curve remains 100.
@@Garett.1214 If inheriting a ridiculous amount of wealth from his father, makes him intelligent. Well I suppose he is. Let’s not forget he employees intelligent people to do the work.
His wholesale embrace of conspiracy theories and prejudiced, militant far-right beliefs, not to mention constant lying and mis-/disinformation, do not support theories about Musk being intelligent.
And it will only get worse. The us government is for sale and Musk is buying. And it's not to further the development and prosperity of Americans. It's to further enrich himself until he's a trillionaire. Then he'll want to take more and more. People with the defect for hoarding massive amounts of wealth have a giant hole in their consciousness they can never fill. They always feel empty. They try with everything... Women, substances, and above all, more hoarding of resources. But it can never be filled as their actions only make the hole bigger. It just gets worse until they die unsatisfied and terrified they never could get enough.
@@garluis23The wealthiest oligarch in the US actively endorses hard-right foreign political parties and Sieg Heils multiple times during Donald Trump's presidential inauguration.
I have recently discovered Richard Dawkins. What a great human being he is! I am grateful for the opportunity to watch all these conversations on TH-cam and read/listen to his books! I wish him many meaningful and healthy years ahead. The society needs him.
Richard Dawkins went from being a mildly rational skeptic to a denier and spreader of misinformation about gender and transgender issues. It is a shame that a biologist does not accept the current scientific consensus that sex is "not bimodal" and that gender is a spectrum. Does he even know the difference between sex and gender?
He has some serious blind spots - but hey, he managed to capitalize on them, even if they opened the door for some pretty dense minded people to abandon science as such for a brutal ideology.
Good luck converting billions of religious nutters that god doesn't exist. I applaud your effort. Eventually we'll move in that direction. Thanks for posting.
@peznino1 , Yeah, I saw that. Hate runs deep with that one. The whole South African upbringing and apartheid is still in him. I read that the Proud boys that one too. v
@@virginiatyree6705 if all U halfwitted Americans only knew what you voted for..but U got shafted...say goodbye to democracy cuz you wanted your 'freedums'
Those religious nutters (If they actually follow the teachings correctly) have more empathy and humanity (What we want humanity to be) in them than any current doctrine can currently teach humans. One would have to copy the majority of the teachings and exclude others but in the end it would be hard to distinguish one from the other at its core. Just because we call Example2 a different name does not mean its different from Example1. (Both being Example) Christianity is logical and has our best interests (What we want humanity to be) in mind. The alternative is similar but amplifies all the current weakneses humanity has. (Greed ambition anger and Ignorance etc) I can see it being changed and tampered with every couple of years resulting in dynamic beliefs and causing extreme chaos and confusion. Basically humanity is not ready for Example2 and upon realising this you are closer to being ready. What we are missing that Example1 is trying to teach is the fact that we are deeply flawed in unison. And no we are not in control and we wont be for a very long time.
Everyone commenting being mad about his opinion on Musk just happened to miss that this was filmed in November. I would be interested to hear if his opinion has changed due to recent events
@@tophersonX Dawkins words: "For Elon, High-flyer of the imagination". I mean, I get the admiration, but as a long term Dawkins fan, I am so disappointed.
Altruism and empathy are just as much a part of our evolution as egotism and selfishness, and as the Hitch pointed out, we wouldn't have survived as a species without these. They discovered skeletons of humanoids that had signs of having been taken care of because they had healed from terrible wounds and continued to live for some years. That would have taken altruism and empathy from fellow creatures.
Hitchens publicly and loudly supported the invasion and destruction of Iraq. 1 million died. So much for empathy and altruism. Militant atheism has led it's followers over a cliff into moral degeneracy.
Richard Dawkins went from being a mildly rational skeptic to a denier and spreader of misinformation about gender and transgender issues. It is a shame that a biologist does not accept the current scientific consensus that sex is "not bimodal" and that gender is a spectrum. Does he even know the difference between sex and gender?
While answering if males have female psychological traits, he implicitly suggested being passive a female trait, but there is no evidence or theory to suggest that being passive is a genetic characteristic of being female. If what he meant was that there is a potential link between the Y chromosome and aggressiveness, he should have mentioned it clearly. But both aggressiveness and passiveness are complex traits influenced by a multitude of factors, open to different connotations and linked to cultural expectations around the two sexes. To take such a reductionist view is not only potentially scientifically unsound but risks perpetuating oppressive stereotypes about femininity. Didn't expect this from a man of his intellectual stature. As for Musk being extremely intelligent, yes he is, and in the end totally self-interested. Saying he is concerned about "the welfare of the world" is not a delusion but a useful lie on the part of Dawkins who is too much of an evolutionary biologist to ignore his own self-interests.
Love your interviews, this was so good to listen to. Being old perhaps helps me not 'cancel' this man because he sees Musk as a man who can control thugs like Trump. No liberals are pushing back on Trump the Insane, no courts have smashed him, media folds to his wishes. The folks saying 'Dawkins is nothing' because of these remarks show the foolish flip side of those who worship Trump. Heretics is my favorite interview channel. I will listen again tonight. Thank you. Brilliant.
Intelligent means nothing ethical kind considerate compassionate means a hell of a lot more. The people who contributed to the financial crisis were very bright but couldn't care too hoots about the carnage they left behind. His environmental credentials with so many children???Richard Dawkins you have diminished in my estimation. Supporting Oligarchs come on!
I'm tired of the word "intelligent" like as though its 1 thing. It's so obvious that there are types of intelligence. They gave the Jordan Peterson, Arthur Conan Doyle examples but Musk is also a prime example of how you can be highly intelligent in 1 way and very dumb in another way. People always say they agree that there types of intelligence but then 5 minutes later be calling people dumb or smart.
If the people like Dawkins are there in the lead to guide the masses it means the evolution is advancing. Otherwise our present day society, it seems, is regressing.
He is blatantly unscientific on many of his emotionally charged political opinions. He is only human I guess. Otherwise I like listening to what he thinks on his field of science. Not all matters.
Yes, steady devolution in a remarkably short time, in the USA especially. That's media-enhanced social Darwinism for you. You start with religious hypocrisy and end up worshiping a felon in a cult.
@@nonfungiblemushroom Oh dear. Dawkins doesn't want to join your cult, therefore he's a "bigot". By the same "reasoning", I am a "bigot" too. And I suspect Hitch would've also been. Just apropos nothing at all, do you think that it was right that Gordon Brown had to leave Downing Street for calling someone a "bigot"?
I also read Jan Morris' book Conundrum. Wonderful book, helped me understand how it worked. I just loved her integrity and i wish everyone would read her book. The zealots are irredeemable, sadly. Thank you Andrew and Richard.
I dont think karma exists but having a conscience does as it gives feedback on behaviors that are altruistic or selfish via feelings dignity empathy or guilt and shame
@ZER0-- institutional abuse of children in all its forms especially when perpetrated on the powerless & voiceless is abhorent. I Hope you find peace & the guilty are brought to justice
Me, a Canadian, me I have questions. Can anyone here explain why all the adulation for Adolf Musk? At Rump's Presidential acceptance speech Adolf Musk came out and gave America the Nazi salute . . .yes the Nazi salute. . . . Anyone? NAZI stuff?
@@schopenhauer5427 Hi there not looking for respect. Just pointing out American leadership has gone full Nazi,, in fact your reply as welcome as it is shows you do not know what a hominem is. Me calling Adolf Musk a Nazi is just simple plain scientific observation. . . . . . just like if you are defending the Nazi, it begs the question ,are you one of them too? Hmmmmmmmmm? you don't feel even a little genocide in your future? not even a wee bit? By defending the Nazi ways you become one . . . Thus my conclusion you must love them and their murder habits . . . At least get a dictionary so you can learn what a hominem is.....
@ Post comment thought . . . . . All of the Space X true fan channels are staying far far away from pointing out Adolf Musk has gone full Nazi . . . . Why are all my Space nerds all so chicken to point out the new Fürer wanna be Adolf Musk's salute to his Nazi army in waiting? Why? Adolf will destroy us all, so think about history and all the suffering to come with the new Nazi party of America. . . . . . . . . .not looking for respect. Just pointing out American leadership has gone full Nazi,, in fact me calling Adolf Musk a Nazi is just simple plain scientific observation. . . . . . If one is defending the Nazi, it begs the question ,are you one of them too?
Oh, it is just EM showing his untrammelled ecstasy on riding on the shoulder of DT to rapidly arrive at a trillion dollar valuation and the salute signified power and greatness and domination, the chosen one. I would not ever be stupid enough to accuse EM of being an intellectual, just a clever businessman, any more than I would be nuts to accuse Trump of being an intellectual. It made me smile when DT schooled the media in his office on day 1 that Spain was a member of BRICs, clearly the US and the world are in safe hands.
What is most admirable about Richard Dawkins is the incisive manner scalpel like analysis , before he opens his mouth . I aspire to this reasoned approach of the mystery of life .
Mr. Dawkins should have stuck with what he knows. I consider this a shameful end to an illustrious career. Why he believed he needed to provide commentary in areas he has not studied or researched speaks to the allure of power and influence and belies and weakens his influence.
1+1=2 regardless if that offends you. Why are we allowing an extremely minute percentage of people to dictate what's "truth"? If trans people are offended by truth, oh well. Facts are truth regardless of who it offends.
@jordangulley7841 OK, I'm back. Let's talk about the trans issue since you brought it up. I am a licensed psychologist who, over the last close to twenty years, has had the experience of treating several children and adults who are transgendered. Why the politocal right believe it's OK to make a punching bag of people who are struggling emotionally and psychologically is beyond contemptable. I can assure you from the nonsense coming out of Dawkins' mouth that he knows nothing about the topic. He wouldn't dare debate anyone who is an expert on this subject. He is a loud mouthed coward trying to score cheap points to remain relevant. Please bring this comment to his attention. I would love to wipe the floor with him.
I too am grateful for this broadcast and Dr. Dawkins. Oddly enough before Christopher Hitchens was mentioned in this discussion in thought, this Dawkins is a current version of Hitchens kind of thinking. Not surprised then that the good Dr. found him to be brilliant. In any case that you for being a lovely, kind and intelligent voice in this world!
The life giving universe arranging itself in the form of worlds orbiting their suns with their moons and here we are lots of universal love to everyone 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖 Colin
His ability to recollect facts is absolutely phenomenal. He remembers the names of everyone and everything. He remembered that Arthur Conan Doyle was a doctor. He seems to be able to quote the scientific names of every species. He can quote poetry and literature verbatim, even if he read it over 50 years ago. He is one in a million.
Richard Dawkins went from being a mildly rational skeptic to a denier and spreader of misinformation about gender and transgender issues. It is a shame that a biologist does not accept the current scientific consensus that sex is "not bimodal" and that gender is a spectrum. Does he even know the difference between sex and gender?
Is it me or is the host a bit cringy and a bit light on in terms of self involved vanity and not that intelligent. Dawkins is an interesting, yet fallible human. Musk comment slightly confusing regarding Dawkins revered intellect
I wonder, if he has seen Musk’s behaviour in the last month, would he feel differently now.I too when first hearing about Musk, was impressed.but no longer.The guy is acting like a buffoon.
I agree about Trump except for his abilities as a predatory "negotiator;" he is shrewd at the worst, so in some way, he is intelligent. He was definitely the best worst choice after RFKJ dropped out. I was SO HAPPY to be able to see Dr. Dawkins being interviewed by Dr. Collin Wright in Portland. Never disappoints ❤ I doff my top hat to him.
35:35 A certain proportion born gay is possibly a positive adaptation since gays often contribute to society in ways that straights do less, e.g. in art, war and religion. In other words, populations with a certain small proportion of gays may be more successful than those with none.
Elon has become a massive enabling force for fascism Was it really important to make such a big deal out of how trans people want to identify for political reasons?
He said looking for a "silvery lining" in the 2024 election and that Elon is highly-intelligent from a flight they shared. He is not endorsing his politics but both are interested in science broadly. Everyone in the comments is seriously acting as if he is abandoning all his politics to be a rightist or something lol. Thank You for everything, Professor Dawkins.
Sorry Mr Dawkins, I've been a huge fan of yours for many years, and I agree with everything you say about Trump, but your endorsement of Elon Musk is embarrassing.
Karma dont exist, for it to would mean somebody/something keeping score. At the end of the day, for when people have been considered/doing good their whole life, they still get a share of bad.
Darwin was very cautious about spreading his ideas, largely because he thought the backlash form the Church would be severe. Darwin loved the variety of life he saw caused by natural selection. It was Wallace who was terrified of the variety of life.
Some of the most depressed people turn to religion. A guy on one social media platform who lost 18 years in jail feels like he's lost so much of his life that there's good stuff waiting in the next, apparently.
If you get attacked from far right and far left then surely the truth is to be found centrally,which only means that offence should not be considered before announcing your truth.
I like that trans people stand up for themselves. If gay men hadn’t done this in the 1960s, there’d have been no scientific inquiry at all leading to knowledge. Even Dr Dawkins, brilliant and scientific as he is, can’t be immune to all effects of environment on him and his thinking along these lines.
It's a shame that Dawkin's participation on the subject is on the lowest and most politicized way even when he isn't aware of it. Truly the most pointless and dumbest part of his career and unfortunately so late in it that it will be remembered disproportionately.
Richard is brilliant, and I'm a big fan, but he missed the mark here. This take has aged poorly in a short time and will likely age more poorly over time. Elon suffers from many of the same defects Trump suffers from, and he is only getting worse.
If the above memtiomed president is x,y,z then what president is not x,y,z? And if you have found such a president, how many alike were/are there? And if there are different presidents, is their footprint any better or worse for the humanity?
If Elon musk is the only hope, I'm off to live in the woods.
Faith in Elon Musk is the great Richard Dawkins’ worst error of judgment.
I agree - I was hoping the title was just being ironic in some way, I assume from your comment it's not
Just Dawkins showing everyone how out of touch he actually is.
Try Mars.
@@OnlyScienceRules Science ought not to be used as an ideological tool. Any one doing that hasn't properly understood what it is.
I never would have believed that Richard Dawkins would to succumb to the cult of Musk.
His description of Trump was perfect. He should also use it to describe Musk.
Succumb to the cult of Elon? Can you elaborate please
@@bigbaldin Musk has a following of highly delusional and dangerous people.
@@bigbaldin Billionaires by default are sociopaths, it's the only way one can be one. Musk is the richest person in the known world ffs, to believe one deserves so absurdly much more than everyone else means he's one of the most impossibly solipsistic MFs to ever exist. He's the greatest danger to the world presently. This ridiculous disparity won't hold much longer. Consider yourself warned. I hope you don't find yourself wishing you'd wised up sooner one day when it's too late to stop the destruction of society at the hands of about a thousand billionaires, Musk being the highest rank.
It's just clear that Richard Dawkins just doesn't keep up with the news in the amount that he should
Yeah, I didn’t see that coming either. Harris disappointed me too. To think he was besties with Musk… Maybe it is a being rich-thing…
I've very sad that I missed my opportunity to join you on this final tour, Dr. Dawkins. I wish to express my deepest thanks for all that you have done in the name of scientific advocacy and literacy and the fight against dogmatism and ignorance. Your efforts mean a great deal to an uncountable number of people and I believe that the world is genuinely a better place because of you. Thank you.
reading this eulogic comment scared me a bit for an instant... He's very much fine though, fortunately.
@@pdjinne65same. Lol
Same here. I had toyed with the idea of attending his Antwerp event, finally I couldn't, sadly.
I've been to the Antwerp event and he said that this tour was definitely his last American tour, but left room for Europe regarding this 🙂
@@mayhu3282 I wish I had been to another city. The Antwerp interviewer unfortunately wasn't good at all.
Sorry but you lost me when you started endorsing Musk. WTF?
Dawkins is part of the 666 club
cry brainwashed sheep
Ikr. That is irrefutable proof that he is an unserious person and his opinions are suspect af
Copy that
@@LukeMcGuireoides You people need to calm down. Dawkins is like 90, and he stays very busy, and generally sticks to his field of study. You cant expect him to know everything going on in the world.
That intro music is unbelievably obnoxious
💯. I had to skip the intro
That word you are using (unbelievably): I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Thank you. I will copy and paste my thoughts I have just written on that. I'm am so glad someone else acknowledges this.
... the only small quip that agitates it the use of music at the beginning of this video. It is typically bombastic, large-scale soundtrack to stir up the emotions prior to the discussions. Andrew Gold utilises this on his own channel. If we are to be honest with ourselves and are aiming to let intellect stand before irrational end emotional triggers, then I belief the employment of such music is tacky. The brain does not need music to think critically, analytically and objectively. I have no issue with beautiful music. I know some classical pieces bring Dawkins to near tears but the arts and the desire for emotional responses through them should not infiltrate science. The emotion that should come with science is that of thrill when uncovering a new finding.
The use of music to effect the masses and their emotional state is something typically associated with religious church services i.e. Hillsong (puke). Using bombastic music to open a Science seminar is not necessary and the hypocrisy of it's manipulative inclusion is indeed misplaced. Science is not church. Leave the emotions aside.
@@altosack Fair point but also very pendantic when it is obvious the commentator's intention.
He can see Trump for what he is, but blind to Musk for what he is. Pathetic.
Dawkins loves science, he's in his 80s and doesn't keep up with Musk.
Interviewer: "Jordan Peterson is so smart, isn't he?"
Dawkins: "Would you call it smart?"
Interviewer: "He's intelligent isn't he?"
Dawkins: ...
Interviewer: ...
Dawkins: "I'm not quite sure what point you're making then"
Dietrich Bonhoeffer studied the Nazi Gemany leadership. He found that intellegence is not linked with stupidity. Stupidity is a moral deficiencies not an intellegence deficiency. Core moral issue: facts do not matter - they believed in the triumph of the will over reality. Just like the global warming denialists believe that if they lie often enough that humans are not causing global warming then their will will triumph over scientific reality! These people in denial of global warming are the stupid people of our age.
Perhaps he's intelligent, but he uses that intelligence for all the wrong purposes. He's nothing if not an anti intellectual. He's anti science too
Andrew Gold's not the brightest is he...
Refer Dietrich Bonhoeffer - Intellegence and stupidity are not linked. Stupidity is a moral issue. Most stupid people believe in the triumph of the will over reality (in other words truth). This is the moral issue through which stupid people become stupid,.To avoid facing the fact that they are liars, they start believing their own lies). Like the people who believe that if they ignore global warming, it will go away - they are stupid, reality never goes away.
Does he also believe in Santa Claus? Why not?
Critical thinking, empathy, and the relentless pursuit of truth are what define progress. As Dawkins emphasizes, questioning assumptions, challenging beliefs, and seeking evidence allow us to better understand the world and each other. Let’s not settle for comfort over clarity-let’s strive for knowledge and compassion to coexist, making the world smarter and kinder.
Well said - away with propaganda and superstition.
It's called humanism. v
Amen 😄
Stealing two of your words I consider your commentary to be very smart and kind. Can I borrow your paragraph?
He refuses to conceptualization gender though
I have my doubts on Jordan Peterson being smart.
He is right about his subject and he knows the differences between men and women. About god, he knows about as much as anyone and that is nothing.
@@Garett.1214 True. What is consciousness; is it fundamental, and Mind is it elemental emerging with quantum events? It is not enough anymore to know a little about the elements; macro and micro and a little about forces and electromagnetism and nothing about magnetism. It is also important to be able to explain consciousness; ‘the hard problem’ for philosophy and also be able to explain Mind. That the elements created and evolved both without a prototype does not fit any narrative or reality we know of; it is the equivalent of a whirlwind creating a Rolls Royce from a junkyard.
He's a difficult case to categorise.
On the one hand, he has taught at Harvard. One of the most exclusive places in the world, and published at least one book before he was well known. This speaks to a very rare intellect.
On the other - he is a ranting nutter. I've seen him talk to Dawkins, and he looks like a fool. It could be that Jordan has been speaking to young and impressionable people for so long that he forgets to up his game when talking to his peers and betters.
And what makes any of you qualified to determine if someone of his calibre is smart ? What have you achived in life, academically to compare to dr. Peterson ?
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The broader the perspective the more likely the person is to be both smart and open. He does not have the limited perspective or dogmatism of a materialist. Whether that is what makes him smart or not it definitely makes him worth listening to.
Elon musk's concern for the world...? Yeah. Hitler was also concerned about the state of Germany in the 1930s.
They got autobahns not a fair comparison!
What an analogy 😂
It completely flew over your head. Probably because you're really, really stupid. Have a great day.
@@SirReginaldBumquistIII Auto bans, isn't that what they want to do with anyone that doesn't lick their boots?
LOL, some fun.y replies here - auto bans and autobahns. Musk is definitely a sort of neo not see. He said that Germany can only be saved by their reincarnation of the not see party.
The first time I heard of Richard Dawkins I was young, and so was he. Such a short time ago! At this point, though I’m not dying to (!), I’m ready to die. I think if I had the enormous capacity for learning that he does, I would want another 120 years. And also, if we lived in an infinite world. But we don’t. The planet is finite and growing smaller every century, every minute, really. I have had a nice long turn and I know I have to make room for the next generations. Although I’ll miss them, and this world which has made me so happy with its “number of things,” they won’t miss me. Richard is another story. Not only does he move through a much bigger, more complex, more beautiful and sensible world than I do, it will miss him greatly, and for ages, when he departs. Cheers, Richard. Thank you for expanding my small life. How I wish I could have met you, even for one minute!
Speaking from another point of view "praise be the world, society is not made up of such " Who would do the real work ? Certainly not one of the above
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He is great and I cry during speech !!!!
Is ex muslim rising in Morocco?
@@RationalPlanet-ju8rr they are rising in your wet dreams
Dawkins' deep admiration for Musk's character has not aged well. (And this video has been posted only two days ago!).
Very true.
The sit down was recorded in November, I would be interested in hearing if his opinion of Musk has changed due to recent events
Musk was a virulent r@c1st long before last November. Dawkins's adoration for Musk has always been a major error in judgment.
There's nothing wrong with Musk. He's just an engineer with aspergers who wants to make government more efficient.
@@caezar55 😂😂😂 he doesn't care about govt efficiency. He just wants more no bid contracts and subsidies. If he cared about govt spending he wouldn't be so greedy for it and sucking it all up.
Edolf Musk? oh god we are doomed!
Interesting to visit Belfast at a time when the Northern Ireland Education Minister and Chair of the Northern Ireland Education Authority are both young earth creationists. Sad times.
In point of fact, were the average IQ to increase by any amount, say 10%, anyone who previously had an IQ of 100 would still have an IQ of 100. The top of the bell curve remains 100.
What is capital "I" Q? Stood up from HIS SEAT and took the lowest seat last older than trees? Humility "i" Am?
Where else increased belongs? Capital "I" Q come here in front and remind! Where my increased belongs?
Lord unto all Thy shared "i" Am= "i" Q!
Q= to questions!
Musk is just another rich man-child no different from the yeti , just richer.
He has serious mommy & daddy issues that are too painful to resolve. Just look at his current throw away women & children he has piled up. v
Yes, because you're so much smarter than him......
For a child, has accomplished in life way more than you have.
@@Garett.1214 If inheriting a ridiculous amount of wealth from his father, makes him intelligent. Well I suppose he is. Let’s not forget he employees intelligent people to do the work.
His wholesale embrace of conspiracy theories and prejudiced, militant far-right beliefs, not to mention constant lying and mis-/disinformation, do not support theories about Musk being intelligent.
This aged horribly
haha i was thinking the same. Im a big Richard dawkins fan, but this was cringe.
Why do you say it aged horribly?
And it will only get worse. The us government is for sale and Musk is buying. And it's not to further the development and prosperity of Americans. It's to further enrich himself until he's a trillionaire. Then he'll want to take more and more.
People with the defect for hoarding massive amounts of wealth have a giant hole in their consciousness they can never fill. They always feel empty. They try with everything... Women, substances, and above all, more hoarding of resources. But it can never be filled as their actions only make the hole bigger. It just gets worse until they die unsatisfied and terrified they never could get enough.
@@garluis23The wealthiest oligarch in the US actively endorses hard-right foreign political parties and Sieg Heils multiple times during Donald Trump's presidential inauguration.
@@garluis23 Probably because RD was praising Elon Musk, who just did two Nazi salutes.
I have recently discovered Richard Dawkins. What a great human being he is! I am grateful for the opportunity to watch all these conversations on TH-cam and read/listen to his books! I wish him many meaningful and healthy years ahead. The society needs him.
Richard Dawkins went from being a mildly rational skeptic to a denier and spreader of misinformation about gender and transgender issues. It is a shame that a biologist does not accept the current scientific consensus that sex is "not bimodal" and that gender is a spectrum. Does he even know the difference between sex and gender?
A great pleasure as always to listen to such an intelligent man.
He has some serious blind spots - but hey, he managed to capitalize on them, even if they opened the door for some pretty dense minded people to abandon science as such for a brutal ideology.
Good luck converting billions of religious nutters that god doesn't exist. I applaud your effort. Eventually we'll move in that direction. Thanks for posting.
Many do lose their religion but this is more for the next generation.
Elon did THE SALUTE today. Wonderful person that wants to save the world. Sure
@peznino1 , Yeah, I saw that. Hate runs deep with that one. The whole South African upbringing and apartheid is still in him. I read that the Proud boys that one too. v
@@virginiatyree6705 if all U halfwitted Americans only knew what you voted for..but U got shafted...say goodbye to democracy cuz you wanted your 'freedums'
Those religious nutters (If they actually follow the teachings correctly) have more empathy and humanity (What we want humanity to be) in them than any current doctrine can currently teach humans.
One would have to copy the majority of the teachings and exclude others but in the end it would be hard to distinguish one from the other at its core.
Just because we call Example2 a different name does not mean its different from Example1. (Both being Example)
Christianity is logical and has our best interests (What we want humanity to be) in mind.
The alternative is similar but amplifies all the current weakneses humanity has. (Greed ambition anger and Ignorance etc)
I can see it being changed and tampered with every couple of years resulting in dynamic beliefs and causing extreme chaos and confusion.
Basically humanity is not ready for Example2 and upon realising this you are closer to being ready.
What we are missing that Example1 is trying to teach is the fact that we are deeply flawed in unison.
And no we are not in control and we wont be for a very long time.
Everyone commenting being mad about his opinion on Musk just happened to miss that this was filmed in November. I would be interested to hear if his opinion has changed due to recent events
but the channel only sharing this now got to give you pause.
@@TheMultipaw-my I know Goldy would love it.
Musk was a deplorable person long long before last November. He's been a fraud to anyone willing to have an objective look for years.
Except even in Nov '24, musk was as racist, gross, and stupid, as we now know.
Musk had already become full MAGA at that point. Richard knows why that's horrible. I don't get it
Its baffilng how Dawkins cant see what a clown and snake oil salesman elon musk is...
You almost suspect it might be down to a large amount of money changing hands..
@@InParticularNobody indeed, he dedicated "flights of fancy" to musk (embarrassing and cringe). Money can buy integrity it seems.
When did he endorse him?
@@tophersonX Dawkins words: "For Elon, High-flyer of the imagination".
I mean, I get the admiration, but as a long term Dawkins fan, I am so disappointed.
Altruism and empathy are just as much a part of our evolution as egotism and selfishness, and as the Hitch pointed out, we wouldn't have survived as a species without these. They discovered skeletons of humanoids that had signs of having been taken care of because they had healed from terrible wounds and continued to live for some years. That would have taken altruism and empathy from fellow creatures.
Hitchens publicly and loudly supported the invasion and destruction of Iraq. 1 million died. So much for empathy and altruism. Militant atheism has led it's followers over a cliff into moral degeneracy.
I have no doubt Dawkins is intelligent and learned, but that doesn’t make him right about everything.
Richard Dawkins does not understand Elon musk.
Richard Dawkins went from being a mildly rational skeptic to a denier and spreader of misinformation about gender and transgender issues. It is a shame that a biologist does not accept the current scientific consensus that sex is "not bimodal" and that gender is a spectrum. Does he even know the difference between sex and gender?
Would love to hear a conversation between Dawkins and Deutsch. That’d be such a treat!
While answering if males have female psychological traits, he implicitly suggested being passive a female trait, but there is no evidence or theory to suggest that being passive is a genetic characteristic of being female. If what he meant was that there is a potential link between the Y chromosome and aggressiveness, he should have mentioned it clearly. But both aggressiveness and passiveness are complex traits influenced by a multitude of factors, open to different connotations and linked to cultural expectations around the two sexes. To take such a reductionist view is not only potentially scientifically unsound but risks perpetuating oppressive stereotypes about femininity. Didn't expect this from a man of his intellectual stature. As for Musk being extremely intelligent, yes he is, and in the end totally self-interested. Saying he is concerned about "the welfare of the world" is not a delusion but a useful lie on the part of Dawkins who is too much of an evolutionary biologist to ignore his own self-interests.
it's official. richard dawkins is either too old or too rich to be trusted anymore
And too narrow minded.
Love your interviews, this was so good to listen to.
Being old perhaps helps me not 'cancel' this man because he sees Musk as a man who can control thugs like Trump. No liberals are pushing back on Trump the Insane, no courts have smashed him, media folds to his wishes. The folks saying 'Dawkins is nothing' because of these remarks show the foolish flip side of those who worship Trump.
Heretics is my favorite interview channel. I will listen again tonight. Thank you. Brilliant.
That is a hell of an opening!
I nearly cheered alone in my house. Whoo boy
Intelligent means nothing ethical kind considerate compassionate means a hell of a lot more. The people who contributed to the financial crisis were very bright but couldn't care too hoots about the carnage they left behind. His environmental credentials with so many children???Richard Dawkins you have diminished in my estimation. Supporting Oligarchs come on!
Apologies for auto correct bolluxing up what I said. Simply put, I loved this discussion. Thank you!
I'm tired of the word "intelligent" like as though its 1 thing. It's so obvious that there are types of intelligence. They gave the Jordan Peterson, Arthur Conan Doyle examples but Musk is also a prime example of how you can be highly intelligent in 1 way and very dumb in another way. People always say they agree that there types of intelligence but then 5 minutes later be calling people dumb or smart.
If the people like Dawkins are there in the lead to guide the masses it means the evolution is advancing. Otherwise our present day society, it seems, is regressing.
When BILLIONS of people still believe in a fairytale god, agreed, it's regressing. v
The prominent militant atheists all side with Israel, even during a genocide. You're being led off a cliff into moral degeneracy.
If you're looking for Dawkins to guide the masses, you're up a gum tree. His worldview is horrendous.
He is blatantly unscientific on many of his emotionally charged political opinions. He is only human I guess. Otherwise I like listening to what he thinks on his field of science. Not all matters.
Yes, steady devolution in a remarkably short time, in the USA especially. That's media-enhanced social Darwinism for you. You start with religious hypocrisy and end up worshiping a felon in a cult.
The Tie 👔 🤩
Hitch was a big stick. Dawkins speaks softly and has staying power. He has lent himself to us for longer.
Hitchens publicly supported the invasion and destruction of Iraq. 1 million died. Dawkins supports Israel even now.
Dawkins is a bigot, Hitchens wasn't. Hitchens is still with us in spirit, Dawkins never was.
@@nonfungiblemushroom Oh dear. Dawkins doesn't want to join your cult, therefore he's a "bigot". By the same "reasoning", I am a "bigot" too. And I suspect Hitch would've also been. Just apropos nothing at all, do you think that it was right that Gordon Brown had to leave Downing Street for calling someone a "bigot"?
I'm from Iran, and yes, most people in Iran are against Islam right now thankfully.
I love you, Richard, but your description of musk is not accurate
I also read Jan Morris' book Conundrum. Wonderful book, helped me understand how it worked. I just loved her integrity and i wish everyone would read her book. The zealots are irredeemable, sadly. Thank you Andrew and Richard.
I dont think karma exists but having a conscience does as it gives feedback on behaviors that are altruistic or selfish via feelings dignity empathy or guilt and shame
I went to a catholic school and yes, I have lots of guilt and shame. Apparently I was born with it. Quite a shitty thing to do to a child.
@ZER0-- institutional abuse of children in all its forms especially when perpetrated on the powerless & voiceless is abhorent. I Hope you find peace & the guilty are brought to justice
Me, a Canadian, me I have questions. Can anyone here explain why all the adulation for Adolf Musk?
At Rump's Presidential acceptance speech Adolf Musk came out and gave America the Nazi salute . . .yes the Nazi salute.
. . . Anyone? NAZI stuff?
Dawkins would probably argue that the Nazis were simply following the evolutionary principle of survival of the fittest.
I don't think the ad hominem will yield much intellectual respect to your comment
@@schopenhauer5427 Hi there not looking for respect. Just pointing out American leadership has gone full Nazi,, in fact your reply as welcome as it is shows you do not know what a hominem is.
Me calling Adolf Musk a Nazi is just simple plain scientific observation. . . . . . just like if you are defending the Nazi, it begs the question ,are you one of them too?
Hmmmmmmmmm? you don't feel even a little genocide in your future? not even a wee bit? By defending the Nazi ways you become one . . . Thus my conclusion you must love them and their murder habits . . . At least get a dictionary so you can learn what a hominem is.....
@ Post comment thought . . . . . All of the Space X true fan channels are staying far far away from pointing out Adolf Musk has gone full Nazi . . . . Why are all my Space nerds all so chicken to point out the new Fürer wanna be Adolf Musk's salute to his Nazi army in waiting? Why?
Adolf will destroy us all, so think about history and all the suffering to come with the new Nazi party of America. . . . . .
. . . .not looking for respect. Just pointing out American leadership has gone full Nazi,, in fact me calling Adolf Musk a Nazi is just simple plain scientific observation. . . . . . If one is defending the Nazi, it begs the question ,are you one of them too?
Oh, it is just EM showing his untrammelled ecstasy on riding on the shoulder of DT to rapidly arrive at a trillion dollar valuation and the salute signified power and greatness and domination, the chosen one. I would not ever be stupid enough to accuse EM of being an intellectual, just a clever businessman, any more than I would be nuts to accuse Trump of being an intellectual. It made me smile when DT schooled the media in his office on day 1 that Spain was a member of BRICs, clearly the US and the world are in safe hands.
What is most admirable about Richard Dawkins is the incisive manner scalpel like analysis , before he opens his mouth . I aspire to this reasoned approach of the mystery of life .
Ya u can be the smartest guy in the room and the wrongest. No Elon please
Excellent interview, great job Andrew.
Musk is a Lunatic Dawkins
Mr. Dawkins should have stuck with what he knows. I consider this a shameful end to an illustrious career. Why he believed he needed to provide commentary in areas he has not studied or researched speaks to the allure of power and influence and belies and weakens his influence.
1+1=2 regardless if that offends you. Why are we allowing an extremely minute percentage of people to dictate what's "truth"? If trans people are offended by truth, oh well. Facts are truth regardless of who it offends.
@jordangulley7841 I don't know the meaning of your post. For Dawkins to cozy up to Musk shows how little he understands current politics.
@jordangulley7841 OK, I'm back. Let's talk about the trans issue since you brought it up. I am a licensed psychologist who, over the last close to twenty years, has had the experience of treating several children and adults who are transgendered. Why the politocal right believe it's OK to make a punching bag of people who are struggling emotionally and psychologically is beyond contemptable. I can assure you from the nonsense coming out of Dawkins' mouth that he knows nothing about the topic. He wouldn't dare debate anyone who is an expert on this subject. He is a loud mouthed coward trying to score cheap points to remain relevant.
Please bring this comment to his attention. I would love to wipe the floor with him.
I too am grateful for this broadcast and Dr. Dawkins. Oddly enough before Christopher Hitchens was mentioned in this discussion in thought, this Dawkins is a current version of Hitchens kind of thinking. Not surprised then that the good Dr. found him to be brilliant. In any case that you for being a lovely, kind and intelligent voice in this world!
Nice Na$i salute from Elon today. Three in fact.
A fabulously informative watch. Thank you.
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Peterson has convinced himself he's smart. Why is it that some individuals feel they need to be controversial to feel important, odd
If you can't make head or tails of someone's arguments it's possibly because they don't make any sense.
Juuden Peterstein
Thanks!
Dr Dawkins knows so much. My knowledge tells me his knowledge is high quality and factual. Take that as you will.
His ability to recollect facts is absolutely phenomenal.
He remembers the names of everyone and everything. He remembered that Arthur Conan Doyle was a doctor. He seems to be able to quote the scientific names of every species. He can quote poetry and literature verbatim, even if he read it over 50 years ago.
He is one in a million.
There are some 340+ million people in the US, and the best we can do is Donald J6 Trump?
What in the hell is wrong with the American electorate?
Dawkins doesn't get enough credibility. What a genius!!
Richard Dawkins went from being a mildly rational skeptic to a denier and spreader of misinformation about gender and transgender issues. It is a shame that a biologist does not accept the current scientific consensus that sex is "not bimodal" and that gender is a spectrum. Does he even know the difference between sex and gender?
Is it me or is the host a bit cringy and a bit light on in terms of self involved vanity and not that intelligent. Dawkins is an interesting, yet fallible human. Musk comment slightly confusing regarding Dawkins revered intellect
I'm first.😊 Always happy to see Richard Dawkins
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉. v
Okay, just started this, but is Dawkins wearing a double-helix tie?! Brilliant ❤
I wonder, if he has seen Musk’s behaviour in the last month, would he feel differently now.I too when first hearing about Musk, was impressed.but no longer.The guy is acting like a buffoon.
Who in No God's name mixed the audio? And did that with the intro music?
Muskrats 🐭 sometimes turns to cannibalism when going gets tough 🤓
IMPORTANT INFO!
This was filmed 17th of November 2024!
Elon started really loosing his marbles basically right after this was filmed.
A bit of a gaff about Musk!
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Thank you, sir, for the nice sensible speech . Always respect you for your truthful speech.
Andrew - "I know it's hard to ask a feelings question to a scientist".
What an incredably stupid assertion.
Andrew Gold isn't a good interviewer. Why would he be? His podcast exists to be provocative. Drama-bait. 👎🏼
Richard Dawkins tie is so apt probably carefully chosen for the occasion.
Good old dioxyribonucleic acid.
🎉I think Elon Musk is not the mind behind Tesla. He is just a random person to be there
P.S.: "So f****** WHAT!" Dawkins. Brilliant.
I agree about Trump except for his abilities as a predatory "negotiator;" he is shrewd at the worst, so in some way, he is intelligent. He was definitely the best worst choice after RFKJ dropped out.
I was SO HAPPY to be able to see Dr. Dawkins being interviewed by Dr. Collin Wright in Portland. Never disappoints ❤ I doff my top hat to him.
35:35 A certain proportion born gay is possibly a positive adaptation since gays often contribute to society in ways that straights do less, e.g. in art, war and religion. In other words, populations with a certain small proportion of gays may be more successful than those with none.
Why the music, couldn't listen to it.
Very interesting. Thank you.
The echo can even be heard on this recording. It must have been really annoying live...
Elon has become a massive enabling force for fascism
Was it really important to make such a big deal out of how trans people want to identify for political reasons?
CANT EVEN WATCH THIS VIDEO AFTER THE OPENING STATEMENTS. DAWKINS LOST ALL RESPECT FOR HIMSELF
30:43 look, Arthur Conan Doyle believed in EVERYTHING, if there was a seance that man was there, this is not a mystery
He said looking for a "silvery lining" in the 2024 election and that Elon is highly-intelligent from a flight they shared. He is not endorsing his politics but both are interested in science broadly. Everyone in the comments is seriously acting as if he is abandoning all his politics to be a rightist or something lol. Thank You for everything, Professor Dawkins.
1:06:35 Refreshing truth in the way it was said. We need people that just say the fucking truth man.
Andrew Gold embarrassed himself too many times, otherwise it was a fascinating discourse.
Sorry Mr Dawkins, I've been a huge fan of yours for many years, and I agree with everything you say about Trump, but your endorsement of Elon Musk is embarrassing.
Karma dont exist, for it to would mean somebody/something keeping score. At the end of the day, for when people have been considered/doing good their whole life, they still get a share of bad.
Darwin was very cautious about spreading his ideas, largely because he thought the backlash form the Church would be severe. Darwin loved the variety of life he saw caused by natural selection. It was Wallace who was terrified of the variety of life.
DAWKINS
“Theory of life”…
Jeremy England’s “Life as a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics (life increases net entropy)”.
Richard's earnestness charms the hell out of me. Thanks. 😎
This interviewer is seriously out of his depth here....
Sorry Musk Silverlining is nonsense
Some of the most depressed people turn to religion. A guy on one social media platform who lost 18 years in jail feels like he's lost so much of his life that there's good stuff waiting in the next, apparently.
Much like ex addicts
I admire the language used by Richard Dawkins for its clarity.
If you get attacked from far right and far left then surely the truth is to be found centrally,which only means that offence should not be considered before announcing your truth.
Please stop doing so many ads! For a good educational channel like this, it’s distracting and disruptive. Tnx!
First time I’ve seen Richard Dawkins miss. Elon Musk is bad for humanity. He is an awful person.
I like that trans people stand up for themselves. If gay men hadn’t done this in the 1960s, there’d have been no scientific inquiry at all leading to knowledge. Even Dr Dawkins, brilliant and scientific as he is, can’t be immune to all effects of environment on him and his thinking along these lines.
It's a shame that Dawkin's participation on the subject is on the lowest and most politicized way even when he isn't aware of it. Truly the most pointless and dumbest part of his career and unfortunately so late in it that it will be remembered disproportionately.
Thanks
You are either extremely rich, or extremely stupid. I am almost certain it's the first though 😂 👍
Pay pig.
Very critical perspective 😊
Richard D is a universal treasure.
Dr. Dawkins is a very clever man, but very arrogant and closed minded.
He thinks he's superior to the ordinary man in the street. He lauds the 'intellectual elite' often enough.
Richard is brilliant, and I'm a big fan, but he missed the mark here. This take has aged poorly in a short time and will likely age more poorly over time. Elon suffers from many of the same defects Trump suffers from, and he is only getting worse.
A pity about the distracting soundtrack laid over the whole thing
If the above memtiomed president is x,y,z then what president is not x,y,z? And if you have found such a president, how many alike were/are there? And if there are different presidents, is their footprint any better or worse for the humanity?