The Top 5 Commander Precons of ALL TIME
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- These are the five best Commander precons EVER MADE! If you want a preconstructed deck straight out of the box, these are going to be your most powerful choices!
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14:14 Exit from Exile
11:29 Necron Dynasties
8:15 Plunder the Graves
5:58 Planar Portal
3:16 Guided by Nature
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And for the guys who made the video that think I really wanna watch it. Maybe this could have been a short? I didn’t even make it past the ads
I'd like to petition to add the new Merfolk deck (Explorers of the Deep) onto this list. Out of the box that deck has nearly everything a Merfolk deck wants and I have shredded multiple established decks with it right out of the box. All four of the new Ixalan precons are excellent but that one is in particular.
I'd say out of Ixalan Pirates is the strongest tbh, but I don't know if it would make the list either.
Everyone I talk to have the same conclusion that the merfolk is the weakest and needs the most work
@@famousstranger8468 Really? I’ve both watched and played games and the merfolk deck is consistently the one doing the most and being the archenemy. Comments on videos where it was played (including Mostly Casual Commander and The Spike Feeders) concur with that.
@jackmcnally8706 fair enough, but that pirate deck never seems to have a bad game.
I don't watch spike feeders that much tbh
@@famousstranger8468 While I was not watching the pirate deck that closely in all honesty, it seemed to me to be the worst of the four by a good margin by decklist. The commander is too expensive for what she does and the alternate commander has a fun strategy but the deck is not properly build for it. It seems very all over the place to me.
I would have to at very least give Aesi tyrant of gyre straight an honorable mention. That deck is so much fun out of the box.
Beezy hates Aesi. Like irrationally so
I don't remember hating her T_T
I love the idea of Aesi, my upgraded version (which I've had to purposely make weaker that it should be to be fairer at my LGS) is great, super consistent in what it does, fun silly things to be done in every game and it has never once felt unimpactful. In practice however it makes me feel guilty due to the time issue that results from having to repeatedly shuffle then draw. I feel like it bores the table too often because I could easily end up shuffling half a dozen times or more in a turn for multiple turns in a row, then when people do get their turn and try to cast a big hitter or their commander or a board wipe, they often just get countered by the heavy complement of counterspells I run and it ends up with me having 5+ min turns vs "untap, upkeep, draw, fail to get a spell off, end turn" that opponents get reasonably often. Fun deck to play, hateful to play against which makes it one of my least played decks at that power level. The amount of shuffling is just a huge problem for table satisfaction, not really what you want to be doing in casual games, even high power ones.
@@NitpickingNerds Dudes right Aesi is way better than most these n I'm not talking out my butt I have done a precon tournament using 16 pre-cons and Aesi came out on top n easily clapped necrons in tournament. Test these things not just say things based off deck list cuz y'all missed hard on this for example Tyranid out of box plays better then all other Warhammer decks when play tested 😁 😉
@@malkie2682what exactly are the fun silly things you mention? What you described is exactly what I would expect when someone sits down with aesi….
Ah finally, the precon video I have been waiting for. Thanks for taking your time making this.
What is important to me in a Precon is that it is fun to play. LOts of interaction, balanced so you are not the villain the whole time and the flavour. i built myself a Treefolk deck and even though its bad i love how it works.
Thanks for making some changes to my faldorn deck during your last stream :)
Glad to see this deck getting the respect it deserves on your list today
Thanks for joining the last stream! We had fun editing the deck 😁
Knight precon, Osgir and eldrazi would be my picks. Necron is crazy strong, so agreed there!
damn i played with the eminence knights and i hated it haha
I love my Necrons but it was heavily upgraded. Not sure how well it would perform out of the box.
I know you were talking right out of the box, but obscura operation was crazy powerful. Just have to put Tivit at the helm and swap out 95 cards
That deck out of the box with 0 changes is really good for a precon, honestly better than most of the ones on this list in my view
I just opened a box of Commander Masters and upgraded Kamiz. They absolutely deserved the jeweled lotus to get out even quicker. That deck was pretty slept on and is a definite fave.
Awesome list and video.. the ranking or top precon of the year video is always a favorite of mine as well.
I obviously play "Revel in Riches" in my Prosper Deck and it wins so freakin often - Tutor it with 9 treasure tokens in play, make another one, and win the next turn - this also works with "Warrior's Oath" like a charm because no one sees it coming. And to get even more treasures: Play "Uba Mask"
And kids: Don't forget to steal your opponent's cards because why pay money for expensive cards when you just can use someone else library lol
Great video, thnx and keep em coming!
I'm glad the Meren precon made it on the list. I remember playing it with my college buddies and Meren being targeted literally any time she was cast because I tended to get lucky with what I would dump into my graveyard. I would add Butcher of Malakir as a surprising standout card, because although it's extremely overcost for the effect, it feels really good to cheat into play with a reanimation effect.
My picks are Faldorn, Osgir, Hakbal (the new Merfolf from Ixalan) and my unpopular pick: Ellivere of the wild chord. Ellivere fixes a lot about the enchantress/voltron style decks. It's not too passive or combo orientend and it incentifies enchanting multiple creatures, not buliding you invincible voltron beat stick whick one shots people via commander damage and can't be interacted with. I think it's way over hated because the commander masters enchantress precon had a lot of the same reprints.
I also really liked the Hobbit Precon, since it brought a lot of really good food support into the format.
What would be fun is seeing the both of you design a precon deck each (with alternative commander, flaws, bombs, that would be suited to beginners while being great bases for upgrades). I already tried this deckbuilding challenge and one of them made me upgrade it and play it as one of my main decks.
It's interesting to try doing it, you look at precons differently after that and seeing what you consider good for beginners or too hard to play, while making choices in consequences, that would tell a lot about your individual deckbuilding mentalities :)
Plus, it would be an occasion to create something new that wotc didn't make a precon for !
yay Faldorn! This is still my favorite commander deck. It basically builds itself and is just so fun to play, because everything you do rewards you with a wolf. Also the precon had amazing reprints and original designs, many if which I kept after heavily upgrading the list.
I'm thinking scrapping mine as I can't get it to function even out of the box
@@famousstranger8468I've made some slight upgrades, but just had a lot of fun with all the gruul choices (especially the recent adventure and enchantments).
@@patriciosoler3861 I might have to rebuild the precon from the original list and try again.
My plan otherwise is to make etali primal conquerer the commander
@@famousstranger8468I’ve been editing mine to include treasure generation and discover mechanics from LCI. I found that the deck is mana intensive because there are not a lot of spells you can cast for free OR let you cast other spells for free so adding treasure helps save mana for when I need it and discover is better cascade. Brass’s Tunnel Grinder is a great include because Faldorn feeds the descend mechanic so you get the bore counters quick and then it flips into a land that lets you discover when you cast spells with it.
Knew necrons would be on there. Honestly suprised you chose 2 from the first anthology. We've had some banger precons in the last few years.
I would also like to add the Merfolk deck to this list, I bought it because all of my decks were too strong for my pod and I ended up with another overpowered deck XD
I think that the Veloci-ramp-tor precon for LCI should have at least gotten an honorable mention-the cards in it were absolutely insane and the commander can get so much value with one ore two upgrades.
Necron precon went off for me the other day against my friends.
Although I did make one adjustment in swapping out a card (i think it was Wayfarer's Bauble) to put in Darksteel Forge, which came in clutch once i had my board built up
I keep a decent collection of untouched precons for lower power games with friends, usually have 6 sleeved up at any one time and by far the most consistent winner was the chaos deck from warhammer 40k. I don't have freyalise or meren to try against it (and missing a lot of the precons from this year), but it regularly trounced faldorn, prosper, party time (using barakos as cmdr), the commander masters enchants deck, the U/B horrors deck, all 3 of the other warhammer decks and the esper knights precon, no other deck I sleeved up won anywhere near as consistently (despite how inconsistent the deck looks at first glance). I recently had to remove it from the selection because it was just warping games too much. We've been having much fairer games so far with the current selection of tyrannids, necrons, party time, faldorn, enduring enchants and cavalry charge but haven't had too many yet with this selection so it's a bit early to tell how balanced it is.
Love seeing Faldorn as #1! I used that precon to win a little precon league my LGS was doing and it was a blast! I eventually took it apart, then recently I put it back together with some upgrades and it’s so strong and so much fun!
The boros strixhavem deck was pretty strong as well
For exit from exile: wayward sword tooth, exploration, and Azusa, lost but seeking are three great upgrades. Oh no! I just impulse drew 3 lands off the top of my library, good thing I can play all 3 of them and create three 2/2 wolves. The synergy of being able to play extra lands per turn with impulse draw is just so clutch
Honestly, the Esper Urza deck, and Estrid decks were pretty good as well.
Estrid gets a lot better once upgraded, but out of the box, she was really good. Aesi was also one out of the box that was good. The knights deck from March. There’s sooo many that are really good lol.
I was playing commander back when it was called edh and I missed the first commander decks but I got the whole playset of 2014 and 2016. Every one of those were solid decks
I would think 2017 was the best year overall for precons. You had Edgar, and the Ur Dragon come out the same year. The Feline Ferocity deck isn't no joke either. If Breed Lethality (2016) had come out that year instead of the Wizard deck. Maybe the breed lethality deck isn't best overall without upgrades, but it does have the best commander of all time in it.
Glad to see the deck that's #1 at that spot.
It's legit on par with some people's mid power decks with 0 changes out of the box which is pretty crazy.
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I think the esper urza deck from brothers war is super powerful and i think deserves an honorable mention
An honorable mention? It deserves the trophy, that deck is ridiculously good. I’ve played all the precobs mentioned and Urza is definitely the best.
Agree. Surprised it is not on the list.
Abso-fricken-lutely! It might take the cake for me, honestly.
My friend has an eldrazi precon and i have the faldorn precon...he kicks my butt almost every time and we've both put about the same amount of upgrades in them. It doesnt take much for either deck to be insane but his always seems to edge me out late game.
Lathril has to be the best out of the box precon. One of our group first started playing magic with us and just got that precon and was winning with it a lot.
Lathril is a great shell, but it lacks some important elves, reanimation, ways to protect them (no golgari charm, no Heroic Intervention). And considering that it also lacks card draw, since it doesn't have protection, deck stops after a boardwipe.
My roommate also bought that precon. She has already upgraded it a lot but the skeleton was nice.
She still doesn’t have a lot of reanimation but instead her deck is focused on being aggro, creating plenty of tokens and using Lathril’s tap ability. Plus, some of the elves have very useful abilities and/or are able to grow really big really fast. Tyvar also lets her untap Lathril.
I’m glad her elf army can be tamed with a boardwipe. ”xD
what do you guys suggest for WELL BALANCED 2 Player commander vs commander precon decks that I can purchase ready to go / no changes from Amazon? Or multiple 2 player versions?
Having picked Exit from Exile, Necrons and Party Time as 3 out of my 5 precons atm I'd say it went pretty well :D
Pretty good guesses!
Cant wait for 2023 best precons! 😊
8 months ago I would have agreed wholeheartedly. With all the decks we have gotten since, I don’t think it’s that easy to pick a top 5 within the time frame alone, much less all-time.
All I know is that my necron and Exit from Exile decks are definitely not outperforming all the new decks and I definitely don’t see those two decks as the biggest threat of a precon table when i play against them.
From what I have played recently: Blood Rites and Explorers. Paradox Power and Masters of Evil. Eldrazi and the Slivers. Frodo and Riders of Rohan.
I don’t know if this is even counting secret lairs decks. I have played against the angels and Tails, and definitely do deserve a mention.
Would definitely love to see gameplay of the top 5 against some of the newer decks. I think results would vary quite a bit.
My Lathril and Prosper decks are unrivaled in my pod, granted a lot of changes from out of the box
What do you think about the LoTR Decks ?
I move to have a master list of precon decks like the videos you do on commanders. Then a vid every set slotting the new precons! Please??
So you are saying Freyalise has elven ramp, elven card draw and elven removal?
One of the strongest persons that I've played out of the box was the Lord of the rings Humans Precon. Commander floods the board with trample humans, deck has wide buffs, and some just good human cards. I've swapped 2 cards in the deck and it runs really well.
I think the Knight deck from March of Machines should have been either a honorable mention or on the list. Sidar Jibari having Eminence was huge and the cards and reprints in the deck were great. The big issue with it was the manabase.
Yeah that deck is nuts, kinda hate playing against it to be honest.
I completely agree@@blemski
i'm surprised you guys didnt include the Riders of Rohan precon from the lord of the rings set. It had fantastic reprints, decent manabase, and easily the most consistent and most powerful deck of all the lotr precons.
My pick too. My brother used it in our pod with real decks and straight up clobbered us.
Yeah that deck and the knight pre-con from March of the machine both have very similar play patterns and are not only strong but they can bounce back from removal and board wipes so freaking well.
It's not even the best precon of the LOTR set. Food and Fellowship is the strongest LOTR deck out of the box.
@richjames998 doubt. I've seen lots of gameplay of the four of them against each other and riders is really overwhelming. Maybe if you're talking duel comm. But riders really runs away with the game with all its anthems and tokens
That Edgar deck bricks so hard 🤣
Never felt threatened across from it or piloting for that matter 🤫😆
For the 2014 mono green deck: what are some modern day upgrades you would make to the deck??
Clearly the best precons are um, the Saksia one, the Breena Politics one, the Red White Kalemne, the Kamigawa Vehicles one and um Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
This video is about the Justice League, you just listed off the Legion of Doom
Kalemne?! Please explain your reasoning
@@JonReid01I think they were joking. They had me going until they mentioned Kalemne. I had that deck and I thought it was butts.
I was always told Atraxa was the best
@@TiltedSquarefor sure, my first pre-con was the 2014 ob nixilis one and boy is that thing a slow burn, easy to upgrade though after you cut 5 lands, lol
Ah, Faldorn and Prosper, they work so nicely with Jodah, the Unifier. I wonder if they have anything to do with why my friends hate me?
is plunder the grave still viable vs other new precons just out of the box?
straight out of the box, Faldorn and necrons have been my favorite precons. big shoutout to Osgir though. He is my number one commander. the precon did what it wanted to do and it was fun but upgraded Osgir is in a league of its own.
The AFR decks as a set absolutely slapped
how about the Timey Wimey Doctor Who precon? that deck is out of the box insanely fun and can throw punches really well.
I played it in a pod With a scarab god, a ishin and a jetmir. Even With this very strong commanders i still Was considered The treath With My Doctor and rose
I think the Esper Urza deck from Brother's War was surprisingly strong as *hell*
I would say it's more the commander that is busted, but the 99 aren't as great.
I have this one... it's amazing!
I have an upgraded version and it’s so strong
@@StandYourGroundTV I have an upgraded version as well, It has mana crypt, mana vault, rhystyc study, FoW, Fierce Guardianship...
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Hmm wow non of the 4 colour 2016 precons? Not many people may like Atraxa but that precon was BUSTED
I don't know about the best individual precon, but the best year for precons was whatever year both Prossh and Kaalia were released.
Meren was my first commander deck. Prosper is a current favorite. I feel Edgar Markov should have made the list as well as Atraxa. Also I used the party time and built Burako with sword coast sailor fun party control commander
Is atraxa in a preconstructed deck?
@@ExeEspe-by2ctatraxa was a precon
@@gasupplisson huh, did not know that
Osgir dont @ me what's crazy is they were 24.99 on Amazon last summer.
I think the toxic precon from phyrexia all will be one was real strong. If you swapped Ixhel for Vishgraz the deck became much more aggressive and could hold its own against non precons pretty well
I really like the 3rd host at the beginning
I feel like you may have overlooked one of probably the most disgusting impulse draw support card of all time, especially if you incorporate ways to cast your opponents cards, Nalfeshnee.
Not only is it a decent body on the field as a 4/6 flyer, but most importantly is it’s ability to copy EVERY spell you cast from exile. Every time I get him when I play my prosper deck and when I complete my Yidris deck soon, he causes so much mayhem either giving you more value or even hasty big creatures if you got them. I got etali primal storm with it once and has to sac the original sadly, but I got instant value from the dinosaur that’s lucky to see the end of your opponents next turn!
What’s more, when they realize the threat he pose’s suddenly your commander doesn’t look as big as a threat because impulse decks have plenty of ways besides their commander.
Amber and precons!!! Lets go!!!
Name a better combination!
Ok necroms made it. You dodged my disapproval.. THIS TIME!
About moxfield: I really love being able to see the art that is in a specific commander deck I'm buying so I really love that they're on point with that
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The throne of eldraine brawl decks were sweet. Not sure if it’s related.
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Wait, Edgar Markov didn't make this list!??!? How????
Calvary charge goes hard.
I’m new to MTG and got the wild vines deck . My son got the chubby pirate lady deck.
No Edgar Markov or Kaalia?
I have the Prosper deck and was puzzled why there was Pontiff of Blight in it. Dosnt it have the wrong colour identity?
The white pip is in brackets which indicates it's reminder text and doesn't count as a white pip.
@@blibbertibsThanks!
What about Mishra's Burnished Banner? This thing rocks
Precons keep getting better and better, but no precon is as thematic and mechanically sound as Mind Flayarrs. Down to the name and even its budgeted mana base, it just doesnt miss.
Kalamazoo. Also started with deflecting swat
I’m guessing the moxfield ad will be-oh nope I’m wrong.
long time planeswalker just getting back into casual. really just wanted people to talk at me about decks for 30 min. was not disappointed
I played exit from exile and my friend cast ENCRUST on Faldorn! But even without my commander I still won the game :)
It's not true that the 2014 precon were the only mono colored ones. There is also the Necron deck from the Warhammer precons which is mono black.
maybe finish a video b4 you comment on it XD they said it was the only mono colored release GROUP @ 3:40. Which is true
Exit from exile was my first precon for commander. I apparently had good taste lol. But I don’t play it much these days, faldorn was definitely better than the partner pair in my experience. Get all three out on the board and it’s game over
Beezy got possessed by a murloc in the first 2 seconds of the vid 😂
Necron Dynastie !!! Grom.warhammer 40K, the monoblack artefact necron deck with alot of synergie good cards ans Trazyn the infinite !!
Really nice choice !!
The Wilhelt deck feels like it belongs somewhere up there lol
Speaking about the Warhammer 40k Necron precon...I upgraded mine and what I can tell is that artifact hate is a real issue. Plus, I don't really see the advantage of playing monoblack artifact theme since monoblack has so many blind spots and weaknesses and the artifact component dosn't even take advantage of affinity or anything like that. Does anyone have any suggestions? Every time I'm winning if the opponent uses any artifact hate I just lose and there's little to nothing I can do about it 🙁. I feel like having blue in the identity would help soooo much!
Try having Eisenhorn as your Commander, he has a few ways you can play with his abilities, namely making a bunch of artifact tokens that can be used for pay offs or be a spellslinging deck with his upkeep ability. He's an Inquisitor that works with Xeno tech, so it would make sense with him using Necrons in battle against Doctors, Elves, Merfolks, Demons and so on.
The upside of running mono black is usually speed, the deck has a lot of inexpensive combo lines you can execute and just win on the spot early in the game. You also have a lot of mill options, graveyard recursion and the best tutors in your arsenal, so at a high power level the deck shouldn't struggle all that much. If you feel like you get destroyed by Vandalblasts and such, you could try running Blood Artist or Syr Konrad -type effects to punish your opponents for removing your stuff. That, or you could just sacrifice them yourself for some value with the multitude of sac outlets and payoffs at your disposal. Mass reanimation might also suit your fancy. If all else fails and the artifact hate you're facing is a permanent like Collector Ouphe, you could try running more removal to help you deal with the threats.
Run a black counter spell. Withering Boon
@@RvBnerd618that's a cool concept that I've never thought about, thanks for the idea.
@@Lenvyathantrue, and yeah, generally I do dominate the board early and gain a good advantage, but even when I'm well ahead a Bane of Progress just stomps me. My power level is around 7 I suppose and generally in our group we don't tend to focus on combos and shy away from the OP tutors but at this point I think your right, it's literally the only thing I can do and my friend just tutors Bane of Progress and reanimates it anyway, and just like that I go from winning to losing. It's kind of frustrating because it dosn't even target and it eats all my enchantments and mana rocks aswell, so there's not much I can do. About Syr Conrad and Blood artist...again, I think your right, I was avoiding those staples exactly because I wanted to keep the identity of the deck and didn't want to play the same cards everyone's playing but Syr Conrad and Marionette Master are too good to pass, I suppose I could create some custom art proxys to make them fit with the Necron theme. Anyway, thank you a lot for the tips, I could also post a list of the deck if you don't mind having a look.
Idk if it’s cheating, but Im surprised the heads I win precon (or the other secret Lair), didn’t make the list.
I bought Faldhorn and tried to maintain a strict upgrade rule of, “no more than 15 cards out of the original precon list.” And its still such an explosive engine.
I cant beleive mind flayers isnt on this list. That deck is CRAZY for a precon. My buddy uses it against some of my custom builds (for fun) and it destroys me.
Coven Counters is vastly underrated.
Pontiff of Blight isn’t legal in that deck?
Lorehold Legacies slaps
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The video starts in the best way possible: CAT
I do not see how 37 lands is too much for a commander deck. It is rather low and I had issues hitting my land drops in the necron deck.
Cant believe the first sliver deck or the ur dragon deck didnt even make the honorable mentions
i’d like to see a worst precons ever video
What about Draconic Rage from Bakdur's Gate?!?!
Video Idea: best commanders with CMC
What about Lathril? One of the best precons I have ever seen. It was my first precon and stills the better I have,
Nice list. Now film a game where you play them against each other
I went into this fully expecting to see the wilhelt precon
Omg. You guys eyes are glowing.
No way.
Oloro, ageless ascetic...
Edgar will remember this
Where's my boy Wyleth? :( Combat trick tribal at its best!
LCI dinosaur should def be here
I seriously don't understand how Edgar friggin Markov or Lathril didn't make this list when those two are some of the most popular tribal commanders, EVER. Not to mention both of them are really amazing straight out the box! I mean... Edgar Markov has eminence and has yet to see a true reprint due to his power. Also, it came with Teferis Protection. Absolutely bonkers.
Except for TP,Edgar's deck was very mid