Janus Parts Ep. 9: Engines
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- The most common questions we get about our motorcycles revolve around the engine. In this parts talk, Richard goes into detail on why Janus chose this motor for the 250 motorcycle line, its fascinating history, and a bit of what it took to get an air-cooled, carbureted engine through EPA and the CARB.
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The fact that you guys are willing to do videos like this that are so transparent really tipped my scales towards buying a Janus bike. I'm excited to become a customer within the next year or so.
Hello fellow internet-goer, I'm personally looking into getting a Janus at some point in the next year, hopefully with the money I'll earn with the army, I was curious if you ever ended up getting that bike, and I'm anxious to hear your experience with it so I can make an informed purchase from a unbiased party, and a source that wouldn't benefit from a positive review
You guys build beautiful machines. 😍
Thank you very much!
Said it already and I'll say it again, love what you all are doing. Love the vision, the style, the community your building, the outreach, and though I hope you grow and prosper, I hope you never outgrow these things that make you special.
Thank you!
The "dream engine" for this would be an "antique-looking", small V-Twin.
400cc
Hyosung 250cc v twin would be cheap and more reliable whilst staying aircooled and carbureted
@@6amamoeba677 hmmm. And affordable
A 500 cc V-twin would be ideal in a retro designed motorcycle like this.
Lifan makes a 250 cc V-Twin based on the Yamaha Virago 250, they could easily have adapted this cam/valves and cylinder design to this arrangment. Their Virago clone is undersquare and has OHC. so there's potential for bigger bores and displacement. You can buy a Roadster clone of this Lifan V-twin from SSR called the Buccaneer 250.
The CB 125 with a single overhead cam single cylinder 125cc motorcycle I know I bought one to keep for putting miles on my Classics just to go back and forth to work on when I was 129 lb it would go 77 miles an hour down to Gulf Freeway all day long flat out. Because it was a Honda I didn't worry about it screaming going down the freeway. I sold it to a guy for his daughter's 14th birthday because of Texas you can ride a 125 or less when you're 14 with a learner's permit. That little bike taught a lot of people how to ride a motorcycle and introduce them to the pleasures of two wheels.
77mph on a 125cc bike is impressive ! Grom riders would be green with envy !
Just what i was looking for! Love the history/detail. Love to see a tear-down sometime!
Although I’m late to the party to comment I must say the power and drive train are more than properly vetted. The overall durability and reliability is globally proven with multiple markets. It is an excellent choice. Well done Janus. The fact that it is backed by an outstanding warranty is further confidence between the design and build. I’m saving for my Halcyon 250 as I finally retire in March 24.
Did you end up ordering one?
Just watched you guys on Jay Leno’s Garage!
Thank you for giving so much information about the you use in your motorcycles. I greatly appreciate it. I am very interested in your motorcycles.
People complain about the price because it’s a Chinese engine but, what you get is a very well thought out design hand made custom motorcycle. The same people would spend $80,000 on a custom chopper without hesitation!!
The amount of people that would spend $80,000 on the Choppers long Dead and Gone. To sell a $15,000 motorcycle with a cheap Chinese built engine is just simply Unthinkable in my opinion.
The days of people spending $80,000 for custom chopper are long gone. And the people who spent $80,000 for Chopper we're lucky to get 10 cents on the dollar when they sold their bike.
A replacement engine can be had ( probably with the OHC version as an option ) for less than $1K, usually way less.
These "Part's Talks" really are great and help to allay the concerns and fears that many of us have concerning your bikes. So great idea to be proactive on that front. I love the air-cooled engines and would not want anything liquid cooled. You guys have nailed it and should rightfully be proud with what you've done.
That said, I really would like to see EFI and maybe an engine option approaching 400cc... not for "performance", but simply because where I live (in steep mountains), the 250cc bikes just don't have the puff to keep up momentum. I have a Suzuki TU250X and love the bike, (engine is very similar to yours). But it's just not enough if I want to go touring through my mountain passes.
I agree as well. My 400 cc dual sport is definitely weezy when I get to the riding areas and a 250 has to be pinned getting over the passes
When I rode a couple of models this year, I was amazed how adequate the engine is, given its power rating.
Man you guys build a beautiful motorcycle!
As always, very enjoyable.
I would just like to add: The CG engines didn't exactly evolve directly to the 230cc ("250cc") engine.
It went to a 150, and then a 200cc, this was accomplished with boring and stroking the crankshaft. Notably a small machine shop in Bend, Oregon back in the early 1970's was the first to experiment with Honda's little Thumpers. They would rebuild the old OHC CB100~125 by boring and stroking out to them 150 and 175~190CC respectively. PowRoll was their name. They're not in business any more.
Secondly with careful engine crank balancing, a balance shaft is not really that necessary. I own a Lifan 200 cc bike with the same design engine without the balance shaft, and I will say this, it is smoother that one of the oldest OHC Italian singles. The Ducati bevelgear 250. And the Duc engine was noted for being a very smooth running thumper engine. The little Lifan is fine up through 8500 rpm. Although it's a little buzzy from 6500, but not what I would consider bad. My '68 Honda CL350 was worse.
My CG150 isn’t broken-in yet but so far the vibration doesn’t seem bad at all in the bars, do feel it in the seat though, which is a little odd. Nice engine ( RPS Condor 150 ) has kick start which I believe does start it with a totally dead battery.
Nice job again.
Very simple engine to work on also very simple to overbore it a bit and rejet the carb which will wake it up considerably but in stock form it’s adequate for the frame it’s in.
So I got that it's a cg250 and I will agree they are very very reliable engines I've had the CG in my quad for 16 years and still runs wonderful the only thing I do is change the oil every 2,000 miles and adjust the valves what manufacturer manufacturers your CG is it a zongshen motor and are they five speeds or four like my ATV engine
Beautiful machine
Great video. Surprised you could get EPA and CARB certification without an air injection system like I have on my CG250 engines.
Maybe with a cat?
Why not made in USA? Because no such engine exists. Honda designed this engine from the get-go to be build under license in Third World countries. It's supposed to be simple, reliable and hard to screw up. Very few Honda-made examples ever existed.
IDK think Honda ever made a CG250 but CG125 numbers are like 10 million ( or 100M? )
So you doubled the displacement of the 125 without beefing up the crankshaft and crankcase? Thats usually a recipe for a grenaded motor.
Can it be imported to India!?
I got a Honda vf1100 a Honda 500 and a Yamaha 426 and I can’t work on any of them besides changing oil and plugs but I can do all maintenance on this engine myself it’s just more enjoyable to ride and do your own maintenance
Yeah, my GL500i has some things that are easy and others you just want to walk away in disgust lol.
It is a pity though that a 350cc engine is not available for those of us with more experience and how shall we say, are a bit more gravitationally enhanced.
The bored 350 version of this engine would probably be far too big to fit into the same bike frame That engine is also only available as an ATV crate engine and doesn't make much more power than the 230. 13K buys you the Halcyon 400 or you can buy the Genuine 400 for much less.
I like everything except the price, ouch! I'm not saying it's not worth it but basically twice the price of their 250cc.
I have this same bike exactly, except why does yours have a J in the name, mine doesn't.
i'm curious is there anyway i could get my hands on one of the 50cc two stroke model?
Rev EM UP!.
Why not a motor made in the USA ? Well where might one find a small displacement motor made in the USA ?🤔
Will we see you with Jay Leno on TH-cam soon?
Its out now
I wanna build a custom chopper this is like the motor that I'm looking for do you guys sell engines abd all the wire for them or could you tell me were I could get one ?
Check CSC they have machines with these same engines
Hey-- is that Devin walking in on your filming?
There was a 50cc Halcyon? brb checking eBay
Do you just sell the engines ? Aswell
ghetto Santa You can buy the same engine on eBay for $650.00 their made by Lifun or Shineray in China! There both copies of Honda in the 70’s.
Go go Goshen!
neat.
Great video and thx for sharing. I'm still looking at that #720. Nice bike and color/combo. And in response to the China engine: The great American Harley-Davidson is making 250cc bikes in China. LOL. Why? Price, reliability, and targeted new buyers--just like Janus! Guess Goliath learned from David in some ways . . .
It's unethical to buy Chinese products considering how it supports such a regime! They are not a free market. A regime that has direct ownership in the companies that sell internationally. Not only does it undercut our workforce but it undercuts the free world. To get an organ for transplant involves waiting a long time anywhere else but not in China. They will actually take orders for particular dates to operate. Very convenient but not for the unwilling donors who have been forcibly harvested. They are also spying the sh&t out of the US and the West. Their sweatshop practices, pollution and constant patent infringement really bring savings to the consumer!
Damn it's hard not to buy totalitarian products.
I still believe that you should try to increase your engine size and find a manufacturer somewhere else other than China expesualy in times like these i recommend checking countries such as India Malaysia who both have cheaper manufacturing prices and have multiple engine manufacturers that still do not yet supply any bikes to the US so you will not have to worry about being supplied by a competitor
Sorry. The Chi-Com engine is a deal breaker for me.
what about electric motors?
if you're looking for electric try the california scooter company
also don't let name alarm you they also sell electric
A motorcycle like this would be a toy vs an every day rider, especially with Midwest weather. If you could change out the carb for EFI, that would be ideal. EFI + air cooled is my favorite combination, and even less maintenance overall.
Suzuki TU250x
I agree entirely but in a replica early 20th century design the choke adds to the experience and the engine seems to run just fine even by modern standards. I own a Kawasaki Z125 Pro with EFI. Even so, it stumbles and needs a few seconds to sort itself out on a cold start.
Fuel injection adds 1500 over the price of carburetor for a motorcycle for a big bike it's not a big deal but for smaller bike is a great big chunk of the price.
For the price. Use real Honda engines.
He talks to much! Get to the point
EPA sucks
Chongqing China. That's where the engines are made.
I wish we would build our own engines..no China parts at all no reason for it. Or a Japan built motor and parts would be acceptable..
@@ralphharing4394 It would end up costing 5 times as much for the materials, labor and level of machining required.
Make the engine in the USA you guys got something good going on with the bikes just make the engine in the USA it will sell better and it will be more American especially with this virus going around I'm sure you're not getting no parts right now
If they made the engine themselves the bike's price would more than double and no one would buy it. People always talk about how they want it "made in the USA" until they see the price tag.
Tell that to Harley
So 14 thousand for a motorcycle with a sewing machine engine made in China no thanks I predict that you will be filing chapter 13 soon enough
A excellent tutorial of my engine; Halcyon 250 #994🤠