I love this scene in Citizen Kane. Orson Welles was an incredible actor. In it, the wealthy Mr. Kane is determined to make his scandalous mistress-turned-wife into an opera star despite her inability to sing. You can see his stubbornness, resolve, desperation, and embarrassment. His foolhardy ego forces the applause to continue. In this one clip, all the layers to his character are exposed. Brilliant acting.
I feel for Marion Davies and what Welles did to her image was unfair (she was actually a fine actress and a great comedienne) but still, this is hilarious!
If Shia LaBeouf did nothing else, he paid great homage to this amazing scene, and in an odd way, did it justice. More young people will see this marvel of a film now.
This is Dorothy Comingoer's best sequence in the film--she looks so terrified that she's about to be sick. My favorite shot is of the curtain rising at 00:46, with those lights before her in the distance evoking the full size of the gigantic opera house. How can she possibly fill all that space with her tiny little voice? And you realize in just that moment exactly what Kane has done to her by insisting she star in this opera.
Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of what it takes to sing grand opera knows that being forced to do so when one lacks the requisite talent (not to mention the necessary physical stamina, which is comparable to that of a pro athlete) is a pretty good definition of Hell.
This scene is one of my favorites of all time. This is such a statement scene between Charles and Susan. They are connected through the camera shots. Beautiful!
"The truth is that no music in 'Thais' or any other opera would create the impact of the scene-a terrified girl lost in the quicksand of a powerful orchestra." --Bernard Herrmann
There's something truly disturbing in this scene, was it for the control of lights that fades Kane's face or the fact that Kane is too proud to admit that his wife is just not opera material? He even stayed in his seat while everybody were standing and clapping like he was mad at her for failing in her singing lessons, that's why Susan doesn't feel supported and divorce him later. Clap scene is easily the most powerful scene in the picture, 2nd would be the political campaign, 3rd could be the typical marriage scene
This is my favorite scene. It's a combination of the editing, the crazy lights on kane, and Orson Welles' performance. I love it because it describes something so complex and emotionally detailed about the relationship between Kane and his wife in two or three minutes with no dialogue, that would take chapters and chapters in a book or an entire play to depict otherwise. I recommend watching this scene with the sound off- it makes it clear how effective this sequence is. What a truly remarkable film.
Sure. Who needs Dolby Atmos and lossless audio quality when you have something that sounds like it was recorded on a goat's bladder and played back using a rusty needle on a Victrola being cranked by a hamster wheel with a half dead hamster in it?
For those who think this film is over rated, it was filmed in 1941 and developed many of the shooting techniques such as angles and lighting that are still used today...
I had no idea that “Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeouf” was a reference to this scene, so when I watched this for the first time, me and the rest of my film history class began laughinh
The ultimate cap on the whole Susan-as-failed-opera-star plot strand comes later, after Susan's failed suicide attempt. When she weakly murmurs "Charlie, you don't know what it's like, to stand on that stage and know that none of those people want you", she has just summed up Kane's entire life: his fiasco of a political career, his two failed marriages, and the collapse of his media empire. This entire marvelous film is a stunningly effective dramatization of the truth of Jesus' teaching: "For what does it profit a man, if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"
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Jake Waltuck: Citizen Kane Spellbound: Susan Alexander Rotten Tomatoes: Jed Leland
Since no one else has answered you ... They are not winking at each other, as both are looking at the stage. The instructor is in a prompter's box at the same level as the stage, and Bernstein is sitting very high up and behind him. They cannot even see each other. I interpret the instructor's "wink" as simply a reaction to her singing, something like a micro-cringe. I think he's trying to decide if her performance rates a D or a D-minus. Bernstein is watching Susan, then he glances down and to the side to gauge the reaction of the rest of the audience.
Her italian pronunciation was weak (very "american" and that last note was as above her range, but I didn't think she was terrible nor talentless. A sweet voice.
+ajsbeast Because it's super melodramatic, and it was a defining moment for the character. He was so powerful that he thought he could make people love her the way he did.
He knew she wasn’t good enough to be a super opera star. But because he picked her he couldn’t be wrong. He had to keep his pride and force her to prove him right. In a later scene he says he didn’t want to be made to look ridiculous if she quit. So it’s a big deal because even despite the evidence, he will choose to support his pride and live in a lie.
Lots of silly arguments about ratings and "betters" and "bests". Kane would simply buy his way to the "Top Comment" and delete all the rest of you. That's the American Way. We've just got to make American Movies Great Again!
Me too. I just don’t know what the hell im supposed to be seeing because I left class early. What the hell is the point of this scene? Please help, please!
The thing is, Murray was completely correct in his assessment of Joker in the end. It was exactly what the deluded guy needed to hear... he just couldn't take criticism very well... not a good quality in a comedian.
+shahn78 You don't get it. Citizen Kane broke new ground in just a ton of areas. Modern cinematography, screenwriting, editing, etc. Hell, Tarantino would have to trace his telling story style to Citizen Cane.
Citizen Kane doesnt seem that good now because its just like a movie that was made in today's standarts. Think about seeing something like that way back then, and how it defined things up to this day
The question then is: are we to judge everything based on it's relevance back then or the impact it has now? In music, for instance, the top album/song list now dont mention ground-breaking, seminal works from the past. Yet every damn movie list has this one and others right on top. All i'm saying is, save it for the film school kids and give the people the REAL best-of list.
I disagree with that, because factors like that do matter. Its almost the same as saying that isaac newton didnt do anything special because nowadays everyone knows what gravity is
One single scene made this movie bearable. A truly overrated film lifted by story and basic "local boy does good" to "local magnate does bad." Mob movies fall under the same category. A weak attempt at greatness by Welles. He deserves his champagne commercials.
+Radioactivity3 What you may know now is due to these original platforms which are overrated only in the fact you forget you stand on the shoulders of giants.
+PapaKay None of those movies broke any ground. Citizen Kane broke new ground in so many areas that's why it's so highly regarded. The fact that it's an excellent movie to boot is just part of it.
Everyone was straining to pick out her tiny voice in that massive swell. She wasn't a bad singer, she was just a bad opera singer and the venue was far too huge. She was struggling outside her range. I appreciate the movie didn't go for the "obviously bad" singing a comedy scene would go for, and went for "in context" bad.
I love this scene in Citizen Kane. Orson Welles was an incredible actor. In it, the wealthy Mr. Kane is determined to make his scandalous mistress-turned-wife into an opera star despite her inability to sing. You can see his stubbornness, resolve, desperation, and embarrassment. His foolhardy ego forces the applause to continue. In this one clip, all the layers to his character are exposed. Brilliant acting.
Not loosely based on anyone… LOL
It is (in my opinion) the most horrifying part of the movie. The full extent of the monster CFK has become, is revealed.
This guy was a real jerk.
I feel for Marion Davies and what Welles did to her image was unfair (she was actually a fine actress and a great comedienne) but still, this is hilarious!
Watched this many times... but now I've come to the conclusion... Orson Welles was the most excellent actor of the Era!!!
If Shia LaBeouf did nothing else, he paid great homage to this amazing scene, and in an odd way, did it justice. More young people will see this marvel of a film now.
Marvel for it's time sure. But it's no Marvel's The Avengers for sure.
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This is Dorothy Comingoer's best sequence in the film--she looks so terrified that she's about to be sick.
My favorite shot is of the curtain rising at 00:46, with those lights before her in the distance evoking the full size of the gigantic opera house. How can she possibly fill all that space with her tiny little voice? And you realize in just that moment exactly what Kane has done to her by insisting she star in this opera.
Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of what it takes to sing grand opera knows that being forced to do so when one lacks the requisite talent (not to mention the necessary physical stamina, which is comparable to that of a pro athlete) is a pretty good definition of Hell.
3:16=The most EPIC clap of all time.
This movie is so modern in its language.A true classic!
This scene is one of my favorites of all time. This is such a statement scene between Charles and Susan. They are connected through the camera shots. Beautiful!
"The truth is that no music in 'Thais' or any other opera would create the impact of the scene-a terrified girl lost in the quicksand of a powerful orchestra." --Bernard Herrmann
There's something truly disturbing in this scene, was it for the control of lights that fades Kane's face or the fact that Kane is too proud to admit that his wife is just not opera material? He even stayed in his seat while everybody were standing and clapping like he was mad at her for failing in her singing lessons, that's why Susan doesn't feel supported and divorce him later. Clap scene is easily the most powerful scene in the picture, 2nd would be the political campaign, 3rd could be the typical marriage scene
This is my favorite scene. It's a combination of the editing, the crazy lights on kane, and Orson Welles' performance. I love it because it describes something so complex and emotionally detailed about the relationship between Kane and his wife in two or three minutes with no dialogue, that would take chapters and chapters in a book or an entire play to depict otherwise. I recommend watching this scene with the sound off- it makes it clear how effective this sequence is. What a truly remarkable film.
0:16 "Nononononononono...NNNO!!!"
That's what I came here for.
The vocal coach is the most human character in the film xD
I love it. It's worth the price of the movie to hear him say that!
That was my same exact reaction when I first saw "The Phantom Menace" in 1999!
I'm so sorry
As good a sound recording as anything today, amazing really that it was recorded in 1941 and still truly resonates as it does.
Sure. Who needs Dolby Atmos and lossless audio quality when you have something that sounds like it was recorded on a goat's bladder and played back using a rusty needle on a Victrola being cranked by a hamster wheel with a half dead hamster in it?
@@joshuabrazileYou’ve got quite a way with words! You ever consider getting into poetry?
For those who think this film is over rated, it was filmed in 1941 and developed many of the shooting techniques such as angles and lighting that are still used today...
I just love Mr. Bonanova in this film. Astonishing Mr. Welles was only 25 or so when he did this.
The Soup Nazi's brief career as an opera director.
+Will Neill *producer
Will Neill, 🤣
It's 2020 and this music from this movie is still good
As an opera enthusiast, wow what an interesting scene this was
Please explain why.
That pan up to the flashing light is brilliant, edgy film-making. So modernist! Like Guernica.
The opera coach's facial reactions …. 😂😂😂😂
3:16 When your friend is on stage and you wanna get his attention.
god this is so arty
Nobody can top this. Orson at his best.
He’s so passionate it almost made me cry
Perfectly dreadful! Hahaha
I had no idea that “Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeouf” was a reference to this scene, so when I watched this for the first time, me and the rest of my film history class began laughinh
The weird thing about all this is she's not doing a bad job, she's not flat, she's getting the notes... Gotta feel a little for Kane here.
If you listen to the original soundtrack of this aria you will understand that this is very terrible
Problem you see here is she doesn't have the squillo or loudness to cut through an entire opera house and orchestra without a mic
@@jam0844 also may I ask of the aria name?
@@oliverdelica2289 ah cruel
Pull up citizen Kane 1941 soundtrack its salaambo aria its fantastic
That music teacher needs a vacation.
No, no, no, no, NO! 😂
The ultimate cap on the whole Susan-as-failed-opera-star plot strand comes later, after Susan's failed suicide attempt. When she weakly murmurs "Charlie, you don't know what it's like, to stand on that stage and know that none of those people want you", she has just summed up Kane's entire life: his fiasco of a political career, his two failed marriages, and the collapse of his media empire. This entire marvelous film is a stunningly effective dramatization of the truth of Jesus' teaching: "For what does it profit a man, if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"
Jake Waltuck: Citizen Kane
Spellbound: Susan Alexander
Rotten Tomatoes: Jed Leland
Actually she works mighty hard and gives acceptable performance. But his friend is deliberately indifferent.
Susan Kane. The OG Nepo Baby.
What's with the voice instructor and that guy sitting next to Bernstein winking at each other at 1:29? I came here expecting to find the answer....
Since no one else has answered you ...
They are not winking at each other, as both are looking at the stage. The instructor is in a prompter's box at the same level as the stage, and Bernstein is sitting very high up and behind him. They cannot even see each other.
I interpret the instructor's "wink" as simply a reaction to her singing, something like a micro-cringe. I think he's trying to decide if her performance rates a D or a D-minus. Bernstein is watching Susan, then he glances down and to the side to gauge the reaction of the rest of the audience.
Don't remember this at all, but powerful as they come
The look on Welles face at 3:05....
What aria is this?
The opera was made up for the movie, its Salammbo
1:52-1:55 lol.
Stop telling me he's your friend!
I'm sorry! I thought she sounded fucking amazing! Just because her vibrato can't cause earthquakes doesn't mean she can't sing opera.
Her italian pronunciation was weak (very "american" and that last note was as above her range, but I didn't think she was terrible nor talentless. A sweet voice.
@@adamnomdeplum3 its French not Italian
@@jam0844 I was under the impression it was Italian. I recently looked at the lyrics I now know better
@@jam0844 although the VERY first scene before it cuts to Salaambó's aria where she's practicing sounds italian to me
@@adamnomdeplum3 its called ole cruel one in English its all about his character..I love this scene
Honestly, she's not that bad
奇跡だ。
why did the clapping seen become a big deal?
+ajsbeast Because it's super melodramatic, and it was a defining moment for the character. He was so powerful that he thought he could make people love her the way he did.
@@bobtheduck right on the nose 👃🏾
He knew she wasn’t good enough to be a super opera star. But because he picked her he couldn’t be wrong. He had to keep his pride and force her to prove him right. In a later scene he says he didn’t want to be made to look ridiculous if she quit. So it’s a big deal because even despite the evidence, he will choose to support his pride and live in a lie.
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I don't know, i think she sang pretty darn good. But just not for Opera?
CLAP THE BASS
Lots of silly arguments about ratings and "betters" and "bests". Kane would simply buy his way to the "Top Comment" and delete all the rest of you. That's the American Way. We've just got to make American Movies Great Again!
MAMGA?
i was saying boo-urns
CHARLES.
go on mr. thatcher.
Honestly, I'm here for a work from college.
Me too. I just don’t know what the hell im supposed to be seeing because I left class early. What the hell is the point of this scene? Please help, please!
@@MrUncensored Maybe you'd know if you stuck around, or maybe if you weren't so prideful that you left in the first place
When you see the scene where joker shoots deniro
The thing is, Murray was completely correct in his assessment of Joker in the end. It was exactly what the deluded guy needed to hear... he just couldn't take criticism very well... not a good quality in a comedian.
Salambó
Ha I know fortnite didn’t make th slow clap
weak
One of the most over-rated movies of all time, or THE most over-rated movie of all time?
+shahn78 You don't get it. Citizen Kane broke new ground in just a ton of areas. Modern cinematography, screenwriting, editing, etc. Hell, Tarantino would have to trace his telling story style to Citizen Cane.
Citizen Kane doesnt seem that good now because its just like a movie that was made in today's standarts. Think about seeing something like that way back then, and how it defined things up to this day
The question then is: are we to judge everything based on it's relevance back then or the impact it has now?
In music, for instance, the top album/song list now dont mention ground-breaking, seminal works from the past. Yet every damn movie list has this one and others right on top.
All i'm saying is, save it for the film school kids and give the people the REAL best-of list.
I disagree with that, because factors like that do matter. Its almost the same as saying that isaac newton didnt do anything special because nowadays everyone knows what gravity is
Nope, that equivalency made it worse. Now i know i'm 100% right.
One single scene made this movie bearable. A truly overrated film lifted by story and basic "local boy does good" to "local magnate does bad." Mob movies fall under the same category. A weak attempt at greatness by Welles. He deserves his champagne commercials.
this is the most fucking overated movie of all time. I thought it was good and i regret choosing it for my cinematography project.
sounds like you are maybe not going to do so well on that project?
+Radioactivity3 What you may know now is due to these original platforms which are overrated only in the fact you forget you stand on the shoulders of giants.
Did you fail?
+Joe Whitehead I managed to get an A for it somehow, thank the gods of cinema
+PapaKay None of those movies broke any ground. Citizen Kane broke new ground in so many areas that's why it's so highly regarded. The fact that it's an excellent movie to boot is just part of it.
I always thought this was so unfair...she wasn't that bad...
Everyone was straining to pick out her tiny voice in that massive swell. She wasn't a bad singer, she was just a bad opera singer and the venue was far too huge. She was struggling outside her range. I appreciate the movie didn't go for the "obviously bad" singing a comedy scene would go for, and went for "in context" bad.