* just to clarify.., Commando sole = Vibram v100.. also, there's a bit where i say they're not handmade,, i meant not handsewn.. i believe they are actually hand lasted.. and everythings put together by hand & machine.. just to clarify.. Also,, that Nick's Packer,, it's not a 55 last.. not a 690 either.. it's a 5332.. which is Nick's n Frank's Packer last.. (opposed to White's 690 Packer, which is generally more narrow toe)
Vibram White-X soles: Vibram FIRE & ICE compound has been formulated for extreme applications while maintaining its performance values in a wide range of temperatures (from -20C to +250C). The formulation satisfies both NFPA requirements for flame resistance and provides flexibility and traction at -23C. Vibram FIRE & ICE can be used in any outdoor activity where fire resistance and high grip performance have to be maintained in very cold weather conditions.
oh good,, yeah i've been meaning to look into the White X meaning.. so its actually both!?? interesting.. i've also heard the Red X fire ones wear out easier or something? is that true?? thanks for bringing this up
@@toneohmsome people say the white x and honey are softer but wear faster. I get about a year of hard use with any sole. I replace my heel caps about every six months ( 40 bucks at my local cobbler)
Just started putting mine to work yesterday, couldn’t make it all the way through the day but I think in a couple weeks I’ll be able to work all week in these things. I’ll be killing these things, in a few months they’re going to look drastically different. Love these boots!
Why couldn't you get through the day..? Bc of the arch..?? Or the fit is off? Idk, I never have break in issues.. but I also precondition so they're more flexible to start with, glad u like em still
For those types of eyelets, you can actually use a flathead screwdriver to very carefully pry them apart, just a little to get the thick leather laces to fit better. Also, if there's any sharp edges, use a piece of emery cloth to dull the edges on the inside.
Those drews look great. White cross vibram are fire and ice. Rated for fire and softer than red fire sole. White is suitable for cold weather fire fighting.
I have these same boots. The fire and ice vibram outsoles same leather everything. Awesome boot! And you can’t beat the price! My nicks were 640$ my Drew’s were 379$ and they are same quality 🤣🤣🤣
Yea and that's exactly why I got em for work., I'm just going to destroy them anyway lol., the US brands that I spend bigger money on, I'd rather keep nice lol And atleast they're technically owned by a US company.. Bakers does alot to orchestrate sales for other US brands
@@toneohm I agree. I take care of the expensive USA brands or expensive in general. And anything I pay 400 and under I wear to work. Currently wearing whites perry selects and redwing moc 1907’s to work. Drew’s I wear for heavy duty jobs and situations where I need a battleship on my feet 😂 I don’t have Nick builder pros, just a moc toe, currently these Drew’s are the toughest boots I own hands down.
I got a pair and cut the shaft to 5 inches so I can wear it all seasons lol. Also got the rogue contractor. I need that 55 last arch support. With drews, I got 2 pairs out of the price of one. And as a bonus if they are in stock I get them within 5 business days.
Nicee.. yeah it's great when there's no lead times.. I bought all my boots with no wait times so far.., but the next couple will be MTO so I'm in for it hah,, I got a few more PNW videos on the way,, thanks!
HEADS UP!!! I just got my Drews loggers in 10" Black Combo. They are a $350 boot, not even close to a $600 PNW boot for less just because it's made in Mexico. . 1. Drews needs to change their description. The leather in my boots is NOT a 7.5-8oz leather. It is 6-6.5oz at best. I have a pair of Wesco Jobmasters (~$400 on sale), which are rated at 6.5oz, and these are almost the same in the shaft and less in the vamp. My Nicks Roberts are 6.5-7oz W&C EB, and they are noticeably thicker and rated at 6.5-7oz. The lower vamp of the Drews has been heavily sanded to the point where almost all the roughout is gone, and has some smooth spots. They add an inside liner, which makes it almost as thick as the shaft leather, which is quite disappointing. 2. The overall build quality is EXCELLENT, but the leather is a C grade in the vamp, and maybe a B grade in the upper shaft. -- I would NOT recommend these for actual Woodsmen or Firefighters. They are a good solid boot for an average homeowner for doing chores, but not a real professional grade leather boot.
heads up..!?? lol.., idk.. i think for half the price.., you're getting 3/4s the quality at least... I have some old Nick's Packers.. and those definitely are that thicker 8oz.. the Drew's may be slightly thinner I agree, but its still Seidel leather just like my Nick's and most of these American made PNW brands.., also, 90% of these brands have a liner in the vamp.. its extremely common to do so and welcomed.. these boots have plenty of meat on them imo.. and I do a ton of physical labor in all sorts of rough environments.. the only things beefier with any noticeable difference worth having is a JK Superduty, a Nick's Builder Pro, a White's Smokejumper, or a chunky Wesco Jobmaster.. Frank's Commander.., and considering the weight of those boots.., its really not worth it imo.. unless you're literally a wildland firefighter that works an insane 12-16 hours with a 100lb backpack.., i don't see a reason you'd honestly need anymore boot and spend any more money.. if I actually wanted the toughest boot.., I'd get the JK Superduty or Nick's Builder Pro.. or a Frank's Fire Commander.. but I'm not interested in getting the biggest and heaviest boot.. I have alot of walking around to do at work.. at a certain point, the extra weight becomes more of a burden than an aide.. the vast majority of ppl that need a good work boot, are not woodmen or wild firefighters.., they use boots like Thorogood at best.. and this video is here to explain that they can get a much better boot, for $100 more than a Thorogood.. everything has its place.., im not here to put these in a bracket with a 12 inch SuperDuty.., i just want ppl to be aware of PNW construction methods.. even if these are not technically assembled in the US..., its US owned, with mostly US materials.. and for $350,, there's really nothing that compares, except a Frank's Patriot.. but they're a 10 inch standard and I wanted an 8.. also, these were in stock, so i didn't have any wait time
@@toneohm I'm not saying they are a "BAD" boot. They are OK for doing chores and firewood, etc. They are NOT the 7.5-8oz leather that Drews say they are. That was my only point. When you advertise something at 7.5-8oz, with an NFPA rated sole, you are giving the impression they are meant for professionals who need them. That is not the case. My only complaint is the quality of the leather appears to be falsely advertised and needs to be changed to reflect the actual quality of the leather. Just because it comes from Seidel, does not mean they don't have thinner and lesser quality rated hides that come out of the tannery. They make hides of every grade to be used for various clothing and footwear. Drews needs to make that clear.. That's all.
@Condor1970 did you get the Loggers or no?? They're every bit as thick as my White's Ranchers.. I'll do a video just to prove it.. I feel like you're splitting hairs about the leather thickness.. or maybe you got something that was off.. bc with the way mine turned out.. I've nothing to complain about
@@toneohm ...I'll put it to you this way. The vamp leather has been sanded so thin, in an attempt to even out the roughout finish, the leather is paper thin. In fact, there are a couple spots where they sanded all the roughout off to the point a shiny spot of the outside tight grain layer is showing through. They made it thicker by adding a thin leather liner, which does restore it to about 2mm thick. So, with the black leather and the liner, it equals the thickness of the shaft, which measures to about 5.5-6oz (~2.0-2.4mm varying). Because I mentioned this to Drews boots, they obviously agree, and understand, as they admitted to having some QC issues with the boots coming out of Mexico. As a compensation, they sent me some nice wool socks and boot conditioner, since I did already wear them outside a couple times before realizing how thin the vamp leather really was. The boots are actually very well made, and quite comfortable. Because the leather is thinner and a softer tanning, they are breaking in much faster than most other PNW boots.
Dude they are half the price. The biggest majority of people will be just fine with these boots. If you want to pay double to get a bit thicker leather, go for it. For the price these cannot be beat.
How did the sizing fitting go? I wear 9.5D in RW Iron Rangers. Should I stick with the same size or go down to 9D, considering I've heard their last is quite roomy?
no no.. i think you'll still need a bigger size for sure.. im technically a 9D Brannock.. 9.5 sneakers.. I have some Thorogood that are 8.5D and fit.. just slightly snug.. but fit.. if you're a 9.5E in those comfortably.. you'll still need a bigger pair of Drew's than 8D im sure
@ me too. I was born there, but then I moved to Doylestown when I was a teenager. I’ve lived abroad a lot, but I’ve always loved the idea of going back to Doylestown.
Nick is really good but price. Drew definitely is good boot for half the price and that part off Mexico Is recognized for quality and leather hand made shoes
Drew wait time are 4 months and Bakers doesn't keep you informed what's going on where the boots you order after I hit 3.5 months I called them to see what ETA and they had no idea where the boot was at and I canceled my order and order a pair of franks patriot boots and had at my house in 7 days and hand made in USA
I bought these in stock, came right away and it's an 8 inch boot, instead of a 10.. To each their own.. I'll get Frank's MTO boots at some point.. I've had every PNW brand expect Frank's so far.. these boots are just as strongly built as the rest.. sry your wait time spoiled them
* just to clarify.., Commando sole = Vibram v100.. also, there's a bit where i say they're not handmade,, i meant not handsewn.. i believe they are actually hand lasted.. and everythings put together by hand & machine.. just to clarify..
Also,, that Nick's Packer,, it's not a 55 last.. not a 690 either.. it's a 5332.. which is Nick's n Frank's Packer last.. (opposed to White's 690 Packer, which is generally more narrow toe)
Vibram White-X soles:
Vibram FIRE & ICE compound has been formulated for extreme applications while maintaining its performance values in a wide range of temperatures (from -20C to +250C). The formulation satisfies both NFPA requirements for flame resistance and provides flexibility and traction at -23C.
Vibram FIRE & ICE can be used in any outdoor activity where fire resistance and high grip performance have to be maintained in very cold weather conditions.
oh good,, yeah i've been meaning to look into the White X meaning.. so its actually both!?? interesting.. i've also heard the Red X fire ones wear out easier or something? is that true?? thanks for bringing this up
@@toneohm Red X for the Fireland fir fighters that have extrema heat on there feet with Kevlar thread so your feet don't burn
@@toneohmfrom my experience that’s an urban myth . I have the standard and red x . And notice no difference for any every day use.
@@toneohmsome people say the white x and honey are softer but wear faster. I get about a year of hard use with any sole. I replace my heel caps about every six months ( 40 bucks at my local cobbler)
Just started putting mine to work yesterday, couldn’t make it all the way through the day but I think in a couple weeks I’ll be able to work all week in these things. I’ll be killing these things, in a few months they’re going to look drastically different. Love these boots!
Why couldn't you get through the day..? Bc of the arch..?? Or the fit is off? Idk, I never have break in issues.. but I also precondition so they're more flexible to start with, glad u like em still
For those types of eyelets, you can actually use a flathead screwdriver to very carefully pry them apart, just a little to get the thick leather laces to fit better. Also, if there's any sharp edges, use a piece of emery cloth to dull the edges on the inside.
thanks,, i just left them alone... the laces finally wore down a bit and fall into place much easier now
Absolutely beautiful boot and amazing presentation.
Nice video man, I like this boot, I don't own a pair yet, but I will eventually.
@TheTrump they're solid. Wearing them at work right now, taking down trees
Those drews look great. White cross vibram are fire and ice. Rated for fire and softer than red fire sole. White is suitable for cold weather fire fighting.
I have these same boots. The fire and ice vibram outsoles same leather everything. Awesome boot! And you can’t beat the price! My nicks were 640$ my Drew’s were 379$ and they are same quality 🤣🤣🤣
Yea and that's exactly why I got em for work., I'm just going to destroy them anyway lol., the US brands that I spend bigger money on, I'd rather keep nice lol
And atleast they're technically owned by a US company.. Bakers does alot to orchestrate sales for other US brands
@@toneohm I agree. I take care of the expensive USA brands or expensive in general. And anything I pay 400 and under I wear to work. Currently wearing whites perry selects and redwing moc 1907’s to work. Drew’s I wear for heavy duty jobs and situations where I need a battleship on my feet 😂
I don’t have Nick builder pros, just a moc toe, currently these Drew’s are the toughest boots I own hands down.
Very good choice on the boots I've been eyeing the same pair
Tony… are you going to do more boot videos? Hope so.
Love what Drews is doing. And I hope they can get some capital and invest in a college training program for boot making...
@@HeritageCast apparently they are struggling a bit with sales : / bad ecenomy.. ☹️
I got a pair and cut the shaft to 5 inches so I can wear it all seasons lol. Also got the rogue contractor. I need that 55 last arch support. With drews, I got 2 pairs out of the price of one. And as a bonus if they are in stock I get them within 5 business days.
Nicee.. yeah it's great when there's no lead times.. I bought all my boots with no wait times so far.., but the next couple will be MTO so I'm in for it hah,,
I got a few more PNW videos on the way,, thanks!
Nice boots Tony
I ordered some a while back and they also came partially laced up
thank you! first person to answer this lol, much appreciated
I wear a 12D in pnw and red wing( heritage ) most American boots. Athletic shoes I’m a 12.5 to 13 D
@@Dukeofmamucas I just got a Red Wing IR.. and realized how big they actually are
HEADS UP!!! I just got my Drews loggers in 10" Black Combo. They are a $350 boot, not even close to a $600 PNW boot for less just because it's made in Mexico. .
1. Drews needs to change their description. The leather in my boots is NOT a 7.5-8oz leather. It is 6-6.5oz at best. I have a pair of Wesco Jobmasters (~$400 on sale), which are rated at 6.5oz, and these are almost the same in the shaft and less in the vamp. My Nicks Roberts are 6.5-7oz W&C EB, and they are noticeably thicker and rated at 6.5-7oz. The lower vamp of the Drews has been heavily sanded to the point where almost all the roughout is gone, and has some smooth spots. They add an inside liner, which makes it almost as thick as the shaft leather, which is quite disappointing.
2. The overall build quality is EXCELLENT, but the leather is a C grade in the vamp, and maybe a B grade in the upper shaft.
-- I would NOT recommend these for actual Woodsmen or Firefighters. They are a good solid boot for an average homeowner for doing chores, but not a real professional grade leather boot.
heads up..!?? lol.., idk.. i think for half the price.., you're getting 3/4s the quality at least... I have some old Nick's Packers.. and those definitely are that thicker 8oz.. the Drew's may be slightly thinner I agree, but its still Seidel leather just like my Nick's and most of these American made PNW brands.., also, 90% of these brands have a liner in the vamp.. its extremely common to do so and welcomed.. these boots have plenty of meat on them imo.. and I do a ton of physical labor in all sorts of rough environments..
the only things beefier with any noticeable difference worth having is a JK Superduty, a Nick's Builder Pro, a White's Smokejumper, or a chunky Wesco Jobmaster.. Frank's Commander.., and considering the weight of those boots.., its really not worth it imo..
unless you're literally a wildland firefighter that works an insane 12-16 hours with a 100lb backpack.., i don't see a reason you'd honestly need anymore boot and spend any more money..
if I actually wanted the toughest boot.., I'd get the JK Superduty or Nick's Builder Pro.. or a Frank's Fire Commander.. but I'm not interested in getting the biggest and heaviest boot.. I have alot of walking around to do at work.. at a certain point, the extra weight becomes more of a burden than an aide..
the vast majority of ppl that need a good work boot, are not woodmen or wild firefighters.., they use boots like Thorogood at best.. and this video is here to explain that they can get a much better boot, for $100 more than a Thorogood.. everything has its place.., im not here to put these in a bracket with a 12 inch SuperDuty.., i just want ppl to be aware of PNW construction methods.. even if these are not technically assembled in the US..., its US owned, with mostly US materials.. and for $350,, there's really nothing that compares, except a Frank's Patriot.. but they're a 10 inch standard and I wanted an 8.. also, these were in stock, so i didn't have any wait time
@@toneohm I'm not saying they are a "BAD" boot. They are OK for doing chores and firewood, etc. They are NOT the 7.5-8oz leather that Drews say they are. That was my only point. When you advertise something at 7.5-8oz, with an NFPA rated sole, you are giving the impression they are meant for professionals who need them. That is not the case. My only complaint is the quality of the leather appears to be falsely advertised and needs to be changed to reflect the actual quality of the leather. Just because it comes from Seidel, does not mean they don't have thinner and lesser quality rated hides that come out of the tannery. They make hides of every grade to be used for various clothing and footwear. Drews needs to make that clear.. That's all.
@Condor1970 did you get the Loggers or no??
They're every bit as thick as my White's Ranchers.. I'll do a video just to prove it..
I feel like you're splitting hairs about the leather thickness.. or maybe you got something that was off.. bc with the way mine turned out.. I've nothing to complain about
@@toneohm ...I'll put it to you this way. The vamp leather has been sanded so thin, in an attempt to even out the roughout finish, the leather is paper thin. In fact, there are a couple spots where they sanded all the roughout off to the point a shiny spot of the outside tight grain layer is showing through. They made it thicker by adding a thin leather liner, which does restore it to about 2mm thick. So, with the black leather and the liner, it equals the thickness of the shaft, which measures to about 5.5-6oz (~2.0-2.4mm varying). Because I mentioned this to Drews boots, they obviously agree, and understand, as they admitted to having some QC issues with the boots coming out of Mexico. As a compensation, they sent me some nice wool socks and boot conditioner, since I did already wear them outside a couple times before realizing how thin the vamp leather really was. The boots are actually very well made, and quite comfortable. Because the leather is thinner and a softer tanning, they are breaking in much faster than most other PNW boots.
Dude they are half the price. The biggest majority of people will be just fine with these boots. If you want to pay double to get a bit thicker leather, go for it. For the price these cannot be beat.
How did the sizing fitting go? I wear 9.5D in RW Iron Rangers. Should I stick with the same size or go down to 9D, considering I've heard their last is quite roomy?
id go smaller.. it was still roomy in width even going down to 8.. but now that its really breaking in,, conforming to my foot quite nicely
@@toneohm Wow, that's a lot of sizing down.😮
im a 9.5wide in thorogood moctoes.. should i get a size 8d in these?
no no.. i think you'll still need a bigger size for sure..
im technically a 9D Brannock.. 9.5 sneakers..
I have some Thorogood that are 8.5D and fit.. just slightly snug.. but fit.. if you're a 9.5E in those comfortably.. you'll still need a bigger pair of Drew's than 8D im sure
@@toneohm oh ok gotcha thanks 🙏
Great vid! Im guess from the accent you are from Maryland, Delaware or Phila...but if its Phila you have a light accent
@@Dave-x8j born n raised in Philly 👌
@ me too. I was born there, but then I moved to Doylestown when I was a teenager. I’ve lived abroad a lot, but I’ve always loved the idea of going back to Doylestown.
nice vids
thanks : ) i have a few more boot ones lined up too
Hope he does more. Hes amazing!
Nick is really good but price. Drew definitely is good boot for half the price and that part off Mexico Is recognized for quality and leather hand made shoes
@747erland747 yeah the leather on these is great.. probably the best money spent for a work boot
Not selling the packers?
why.. are you interested in buying them ?
What work do u do ?
Landscape/hardscape
Drew wait time are 4 months and Bakers doesn't keep you informed what's going on where the boots you order after I hit 3.5 months I called them to see what ETA and they had no idea where the boot was at and I canceled my order and order a pair of franks patriot boots and had at my house in 7 days and hand made in USA
I bought these in stock, came right away and it's an 8 inch boot, instead of a 10..
To each their own.. I'll get Frank's MTO boots at some point.. I've had every PNW brand expect Frank's so far.. these boots are just as strongly built as the rest.. sry your wait time spoiled them
also had a terrible experience with Drew's/Baker's and their Leon loggers. Their cs was aweful
i appreciate the made in mexico mention, i quit there. thanks and good bye
Bye! Don't forget to vote Trump, stupid redneck 😂