Durston X-Mid 2 | Ultralight Tent
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- A look at the design of the Durston X-Mid 2 tent including the exceptional stormworthyness, spaciousness, and ease of use.
The X-Mid 2 combines innovative and patent pending geometry with high performance materials to create the most weight efficient, capable and spacious ultralight backpacking tent at just over 2 lbs.
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Just got this as my first tent. Purchased for my fiance and myself to get into nature. Very hyped I got such a great tent at a very reasonable price( $305 after taxes and shipping!)
Awesome. I hope it works well :)
My 1P is the best solo tent I've ever used. If I'm not hammocking, it's my goto for ground camping. The design on these tents is outstanding and the quality of build is great. I made a few mods to suit my preferences (longer stake outs, reflective cordage, pull out/pole loops on the base of the inner, etc.) but the tent performs just fine without them.
I've camped alongside friends on ZPacks Duplex tents, and Altaplexes, and Ones (Gossamer Gear), and other single wall shelters. They all tell me how light their tents are (usually about 10 oz lighter than mine). It's funny to watch in the morning as I pack out my dry tent while they wipe down the condensation in theirs and complain about wet footbox on their sleep systems.
The extra weight is worth it. I can open and completely zip closed my doors without having to crawl out of the inner. I have storage. The vestibules are perfect. I love this tent. Seriously considering picking up a 2P for when my 70 lb puppy friend comes with me.
I love my X-MID 2P. There is so much room and boy can it handle the rain, no problem
What a brilliant f-ing design. Yes...a little heavier than those ultraultra light Z's but more durable and better performance for sure. I can already tell just by watching reviews. I'm gonna order this X mid2 over the X1 even though its just me. More spacious and at only 8 more ounces, I'll take it. I like to keep my gear inside with me.
Just bought mine today! Gonna be my first light weight backpacking tent. Im used to 5 to 7 pounds!
Awesome. Thanks for giving our tents a try.
Such a killer shelter. I love all the thought you put into this, Dan. In the world of UL 2 person shelters, this one really stands out. Great video!
Thanks Jeff!
The music on all these videos is fantastic. Xmids are sold out so i just watch the videos to get my fix
Great review. Just purchased one. Will use it on section hikes and camping and my thru-hike of the AT in 2022.
Nice work, Dan!
I added my name to the list to be notified when one of these is available for purchase. So impressive!!
Hi Kim! We have an email notification list at the bottom of the X-Mid 2P page on DurstonGear.com:
durstongear.com/product/x-mid-2p
Our next batch is expected around the end of the year but it will sell out quickly, so we recommend signing up for that.
I spent many hours making tent designs in 3D software. This shape/design has been drafted but I always wondered why it never made it into production. The execution and detail of the Durston X-Mid 2 is excellent. I don't use trekking poles myself and I'm a tarp user, but once you get 2 people, the weight savings of tarp/bivy combo vanish - so this is the best 2P option I've seen.
Thanks for the kind words Aaron.
- Dan
Thanks for the awesome design Dan! Just received mine in the mail yesterday 🤙🏾. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Looks like a great tent!
My 1p is the bomb. Heavy rain and high winds, no problem for this tent!
Do you need a footprint? I’m loving what I’m seeing
@@timontrail I use a piece of Tyvex cut to the shape as a footprint.
That’s a nice looking tent!! I typically don’t like the pole set up tents or 1 wall tents like the zpacks duplex, because they just don’t seem stable and the set up isn’t easy. I love how easy your tent looks to set up! And I also love the versatility- being able to set the fly up first or keep the inner tent attached to the fly as if it’s all one. That is way cool!!
Can tell there’s been a lot of thought put into this tent! Should I need a new one in the future I’ll have it at the top of my list!!
Truly a great tent, it’s held up incredible for me this past year
Glad you're liking it!
Dan, there is something about this tent that makes me happy. Every time I pitch it I find myself just looking at it. I REALLY LIKE THIS TENT! The 2P is incredibly roomy for two people especially with the outdoor storage space.
Awesome! Glad to hear it.
I can't wait to get my hands on this tent. Perfect!
Thanks for the interest Naomi!
June 16th is the next drop
Lovin' my X-Mid 2P, highly recommend it
Nice to hear!
I just got this tent for my 20th wedding anniversary and was expecting it to be a bear to set up. Planned on practicing 2-3 times before I actually took it out. Instead I was done in less than 5 minutes, and this baby is solid with just 4 stakes; More solid than any trekking pole tent I have ever seen. More solid than my big agnes fly creek, .and a whole lot more room for the same weight. Super excited to get this out in the wind to give it a real test.
Awesome. Glad it's working well.
Great tent. I have a 1p and it’s the absolute best. the 2p will be my tent for trips with my wife!!
This tent looks like a backpacker’s dream come true. I hope you resolve your supply chain issues for 2022 so I can order one in the near future. Cheers!
Thanks. We have two large batches on sale next week, but then we'll be sold out most of 2022 until finally we get good supply fall. Our batches next week will likely sell out quite fast, so if you do want one I recommend being ready when orders open. More info on our website.
Just found out about this tent and if I could order it I would have it on the way to the house. Brilliant design and exactly what I have been looking for. I'm signed up to get a heads up when they become available again. So refreshing to have a well designed tent that doesn't break the bank. Well done!!
Thanks! We're working hard to get more. Should be about 4 months. The factory is quite backed up right now due to covid.
Nice! I just got the 2mid for xmas. Cant wait to take it out here in the PNW!
We managed to get a pre order in for the X-Mid Pro 2 today. Excited to try it out later this year. We've been using and love the Tarptent Stratospire Li but prefer how the X-Mid Pro 2 packs up smaller.
Beautiful and can’t wait to get my hands on one of these. Cmmon Drop! And Thanks Mr. Dan Durston. Amazing work.
Should be available again any day now.
@@durstongear the whole drop/amazon situation right now is kinda lame. Can I deal with you directly?
@@tommymaddox6785 Not for the current tents because I have an exclusive distribution contract with Drop for a few years because they funded development, but the upcoming DCF X-Mid will be just through me (e.g. sold on DurstonGear.com)
Just ordered mine tonight. Stoked
Sweet! Hope it works out well!
@@durstongear : delivered this afternoon. Just in time to test on my weekend trip. Put it up in my backyard during lunch break and was surprised how easily it gave a good pitch. Great design and quality.
@@ssam143 Glad the first impressions are good!
I'm just not that easy to impress much less get excited, must be genetic 🙂. Your tent totally blows my doors off! It's the most elegant solution for a trekking pole tent I've ever seen. Kudos to you, Dan, and your team. And yes, it's worth the hype. Cheers!
Thanks Joey! I appreciate the kind words.
I just got mine. I really dig the new darker Sage Green color 🔥
Awesome! Glad you like it.
I've enjoyed mine, the weight and ease of set up has been fantastic. I haven't had the chance to use it in inclement weather though.... not that is a bad thing, but I haven't gotten the bad weather experience yet with this tent.
This tent is awesome! Got mine back in September in preparation for a Colorado trip last week of October. First day up on as a wonderful mid to low 50’s. Second day.... 18 inches of snow over night and we found out afterwards that it got down to -25 F. This tent held up great, little to no wind, sheds snow as advertised, and significantly cut a few pounds of weight from my pack. I am probably going to to order the 1 P as well just to have a smaller version for the kiddo.
Nice! Sounds like some serious weather. Glad it worked out well.
I'm in LOVE!!😁✌💚
Thanks for the kind words!
Great! Hopefully trying my X-Mid2 this week 😊
Thanks Brian. Loved your GDT hike.
Looks like the best to me. I already have a 1.5 p tent, now I wish I had this one. The reason is I like the open side venting to get rid of extra condensation from me sweating while sleeping.
Sick! Looks like you have found the best design tent
Greetings from France
Makes me want to pick up a big brother for my 1p! Nice shots!
Have one. Is great. Buy it.
My x-mid one is great in rain...hope to try a 2 soon...
Manage to get one of these in the drop today, very excited to get my hands on it!
Nice work!
Hi Dan, I was excited to order one of these on drop earlier in the year , it arrived early September and I have not been able to try it out (other then in the garden for a quick pitch) for a variety of reasons (work,covid,puppy!) But very much looking forward to 2021 and the camps in it that it will bring. I see you are very active in forums and I think for the weight and price point this is as good as it gets - well done on getting your products out there. Cheers Rob
Thanks Rob! Hopefully 2021 is a good year for getting out.
Ive got both the 1p and 2p. Only tents I own. Nice touch to the 2p are the side mesh pockets. Slip my phone in to watch media while going to bed. Its the perfect height.
Ooo interesting...a media viewing pocket! I've never thought to use it as that.
OOOh, another bonus for this tent that I'm waiting to buy. One of my dome camping tents has a mesh hammock in the roof that I pop the tablet in for movie nights while camping. I was hoping I could set my phone up in the roof pocket designed the headlamp so that two people can watch the same thing but at if I'm on my own I'll do as you suggest.
I have this tent. It's awesome. Such a phenomenal value, quality. The little features and thoughtfulness of the design are what makes this such a good tent. I don't see why people spend more to get less.
Thanks Nathan! Glad you're liking the tent!
my 1P has been used at least a dozen times since I purchased it. Managed to convince my friends who were looking for another tent to give a shot at yours. I'm also considering your backpack next
Awesome! Thanks for telling your friends!
Took it to Iceland and Norway last year, to the most remote, windy, rocky places. I've had ice building up on the fly, had to pitch in all possible conditions, on all kinds of terrain. The smooth grass of Hornstrandir, the black lava fields of Laugavegur and the rough surfaces of Jotunheimen. Conclusion: the tent is simply brilliant. It only takes a tiny spot in the backpack, but offers a roomy, waterproof, sturdy place to spend the night in.
Glad the tent has been working well! Thanks for the kind words and using our tents!
- Dan
Yup, done. This is what we will be piling into next summer 🙌🙌.
Hope to see you out there. I recognize that banner image on your page. Looks like we hike in a lot of the same areas.
@@durstongear Likewise. We have a lot planned in the Job/white goat area next summer, valley of the lakes, mcdonald lakes/valley, job/sampson pass + lakes etc. We'd kill to do the white goat lollipop, just a little long and so little info to head out by ourselves.
Also got a big loop planned in the castle wildland that includes la coullette/barnaby/jutland/spienkop etc over 10 days that hits almost all the lakes there.
If you're ever looking for other people to head out with let us know!
@@TheBackcountryGuys Very cool. I hope to get back to Barnaby ridge next summer. Pretty booked up already for longer trips though. I've got a couple weeks in Alaska, 1 week maintenance trip in the Willmore Wilderness, and 2 week off-trail hike from Kakwa to Monkman.
@@durstongear wow that kakwa-Monkan section is going to be remote and fun. Extending the GDT lol?
There's a route down in the castle we want to do thats connects lys ridge and barnaby that's a 2 or 3 day trip only, lets stay in touch maybe things will line up next summer.
@@TheBackcountryGuys Yeah gonna be remote. The middle 96km is entirely off-trail.
Great tent 👍 I'm curious to see a video with your take on tent care though (general storage sack packing method, how to dry off dew if you're in a hurry to leave, packing your backpack with a wet tent, setting up an already wet tent, how to repair a hole, long term storage...etc.)
This tent is awesome. Thinking of bringing it along for my 2021 PCT thru-hike. I've used other ultralights like the gossamer one, outdoor vitals dominion 1p, and alps mountaineering 1.5 mystique. Sure some are lighter, but I don't feel like I'll be able to trust them for 5+ months on the trail. My plan was to use the gossamer one @ 17.7oz, but after taking this out a few times I'm starting to think the extra space, quality materials, and well thought out design would be well worth packing an extra 20oz. I can't find anything even close to comparing, especially in the sub $500 range (I'm poor lol) This thing is just as packable too, I use the same 5L REI compression sack (the smallest size they make) to pack both the G-one and the X-Mid 2p with no problems. After hiking 50+ miles with the X-Mid 2p in my pack the "extra" weight isn't even noticeable.
This looks real interesting, I might consider once I know a bit more about it
Thanks for your interest Kieron. We have more info on our website (link in video description).
Cheers,
Dan
I wanted to get the Pro but couldn’t wait so I got the xmid 2.
Going hiking in the White Mountains next month and I can’t wait to try it out.
Awesome. I hope it works well for you Fred.
it´s a great tent that is a pleasure to use and this video describes very well how good it is. I own both the X-Mid 2P and the X-Mid 1P
Just bought mine today! Talked a buddy into getting one as well. Hah I’m that excited about this guy and retiring the Big Agnes. Thanks again!
Nice! Where did you find one today? I thought they were sold out everywhere? Should have more soon.
My friend and I both just bought one from amazon (said seller was Drop). Uh oh should we be concerned?? It says we both can expect them to be delivered this Friday. If there’s a better way to communicate with you I can show u the receipt from amazon.
Should also mention that they were NOT available yesterday, but checked again this evening, and there they were.
@@mr.e.5023 That makes sense. Should be legit. I think Drop has sent them some small batches (e.g. 5 tents) so they do come into stock but have been selling out pretty quick.
I can see why they would be. Seems to me like you created an awesome product my friend.
I wish the TH-cam reviewers would include the Durston non-pro tents as they look to be an excellent design and much more affordable than the ones made from DCF. I will consider these tents for my 1p or 2p tent next purchase.
Thanks for the kind words Eric. Yes the regular tents are extremely well rounded tents that are the best choice for many people.
@@durstongear I just got my Durston X-Mid 2 today. Looking forward to trying it out! I know it's not as light as the pro but it's slightly bigger and half the price and still much lighter than my previous tent.
@@eric55406 Nice. It's an awesome tent. I hope it works well.
Wow I've been trying to design a tent of my own with these features, I love the ability to just have a mesh star gazing shelter with the tarp being modular. Great design!
Thanks!
Dan just released the Stargazing kit. I would order that
Mine is due to dispatch tomorrow for the uk! :-) Which says everything I think about what you've come up with here. Really looking forward to receiving my X-mid 2p and doing that first pitch, which will probably be in a local park (we don't have a lawn).
Any luck in getting to try it out in the wonderful weather we've been having? Also I live in Ireland and I'm thinking customs will hit me, did you have to pay much to get it to the UK if you don't mind me asking!
I set up my tent last night first go round. I was slow but it looked pretty good!! Excited about that! My dog Mako and I slept in it last night!! He wasn’t so sure at first but slept good by my side!!! So excited for the many adventures we will have. Thanks Dan!! Highly Recommend the xmid 2 💥🏕
Awesome! I hope you have many great adventures. Glad the first night was good!
Thanks again Dan!! Going have a lot of fun adventures out there!! Hope you have a great weekend.
Can’t wait to get this tent, ordering for Xmas. Going to take it out on the JMT next year, seems like it has the perfect balance between UL and usable space for 2 people. I decided to wait for xmid2 over getting a TT SS2, locking forward to the nicer zippers and hope the tent will last for a long time.
Thanks for the support Shane! I think you'll really like it.
Room for 4?!?!?! Amazing!
Amazing. I'm in the UK, I like my space and comfort, and I don't want a 15d floor or a cheap silicone tent from China. We get lots of condensation and I don't want a bivy bag. This covers absolutely everything - such a well though out design. I'll even wait for shipping from the US 😁
Thanks for the kind words Philip!
- Dan
If it helps anyone: I found it dead easy ordering from Drop to the UK. Got a $10 welcome voucher 🙂 as a new customer, took about 10 days only to arrive, worked out £290 Sterling total including customs. Quality looks great, highly recommended.
Thanks for the info. Glad the first impressions are good.
Thanks for the info, I live in Ireland and was wondering about customs!
If you make a version of this in Dyneema all the other tent makers can just stop.
Working on it. Not too soon but the wheels are turning.
@@durstongear Awesome. Another cool option would be just doing dyneema for the bathtub floor as a hybrid fabric design so it still packs small. Just a thought. Love the design!
@@durstongear sign me up, in canada currently.
@@tommymaddox6785 You can sign up for interest list for the DCF here:
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We will do a pre-sale in the fall.
@@durstongear thanks Dan, signed up. Im in Calgary for a while and I really would like to gear up before we get too far into summer, but the complete lack of availability on drop/amazon for both the 2p and large version backpack is disappointing. Do you know when additional stock will be available or is that completely out of your control?
I want this tent! I just can't make up my mind to get the 1p or the 2p. I rarely have to share a tent, so the solo would make sense, but the 2p would give me an option when I can finally get a dog! LOL. I love that it's designed by a Canadian, we don't have many UL gear makers/designers here. I would love to support local (from across the country ;) )
The 2P is a legit size for a 2P tent so it tends to be overkill for a solo hiker. Some like the extra space but it does mean more weight, larger footprint, and a bigger packed size. So I recommend the 1P if you are usually solo. But if you aren't too concerned about weight and like a big tent, then the 2P could make sense.
@@durstongear Thank you! I've been using a North Face Stormbreak 1 for a couple of years, and it weighs 1lb *more* than the 2p X-Mid. I'm just getting old and need to reduce my base weight for a more enjoyable experience. I'm a weekend warrior mostly, but I'm planning a 2 week trip this year, (pandemic willing!) so going lighter than 3lbs for a shelter is a very attractive concept :D I'm pretty sure my budget can only handle the 1p, so I will very likely go with that. So looking forward to getting out on trail this year.
This be gd for Bikepacking market
I have both the 1P and 2P. In my view they are easily the best nylon/polyester tents on the market in this category. I carry a tent for 2 reasons, to get a break from the bugs and protection from the weather. All decent tents provide similar bug protection but storm worthiness is a much different story. The several factors mentioned in the video (fly first pitch, highly stable, steep exterior walls, excellent ventilation, and a pitch that goes all the way to the ground) make it more storm worthy than it competitors like Tarp Tents, Gossamer Gear or Zpacks. Just think about how this tent would handle spin drift compared to those. If these tents had a DCF fly it would bring the weights within 1 to 1.5 ounces of the BIC weights from Zpacks with double walls (simple ratio calculation of the fabric weights DCF (0.51oz/yd) / SiPoly (1.21oz/yd) * Fly weight (2P=22oz, 1P=18oz)) and a much better pitch. Dan, as soon as you have a DCF fly available I will be the first on the list to buy it. Thank you for dreaming up this amazing tent and then going through the effort to make it available to all of us.
Thanks Aaron! I hope to have DCFs flys available eventually. Looks like it's going to take a bit (e.g. perhaps 2022) but I'd like to do it eventually. I agree it would be awesome.
DCF version is coming soon.
Xmid 2p Pro: durstongear.com/product/x-mid-pro-2p
DCF pre sale will be live on January 24
Looking forward to possibly getting the 2P soon, already love my 1P.
Dan, at 3:25 you show the inner only pitched with what looks like just the external fly guy lines. Do you think this pitch is stable and durable enough to use? When messing around with my 1P it seemed like this was just too floppy and possibly put too much tension on the inner's delicate mesh when laying inside.
About to order this beauty. I’m hoping to use the outer by itself as a winter hot tent. Before get it & get overly excited & cut/sew the stove pipe vent in place I wanted to ask your opinion on where you think the best placement for it would be? I get the feeling I’ll get a better sense of this once I have it set up in front of me but figured I’d ask the expert in case you’ve ever done such a modification yourself or pondered it. Thanks for making such awesome amazing stuff. And please thank your lovely wife for her inspiring beautiful videos. Blessings to you both & keep rockin on!
Hi Angela,
Thanks for the kind words and support.
Someone did a nice hot tent build on the Durston Gearheads Facebook group recently. If you join that group and search for 'hot tent' it should come right up. The pictures there show the placement well.
If you want to put tent on a platform use 4 screw eye hooks there light ... You can use rocks too ...Then you can put tent any were you want ... I did on my porch to test because 2 ft snow ... And yes I bought the 2p one just had to save big time .. Its my favorite that I can use any were even were free standing can go ... Bought because less stakes easy setup and no extra weight poles to deal with and inner stays dry ...And you can use fly or net alone ... And its great in wind and rain ..
I love my 2P. the more I use it the more I like it. Got the 2P for when I take a kid with me. So roomy. Maybe I'll invest in the 1P just for me. Held up great in heavy wind in a canyon in the OR desert in Feb. I felt no wind inside. And packs down so tiny. Do you need a footprint with it? I have a bit of tyvek I use which works fine, is that needed? Thanks for making such an awesome tent!
Hey Dan! Love everything I'm seeing about this tent. The reviews look great. I'm hoping to order one for this next season of adventures. Any idea when they will be available on Drop/Amazon again?
Hi Steve,
Drop is getting another batch next week. Might take them another week to get the cargo sorted out, so I expect them back on Drop in ~2 weeks. I expect they'll send some more to Amazon too, which usually takes a further 1-2 weeks for that shipment to arrive at Amazon and get processed.
@@durstongear Thanks so much! Can't wait!
Love the tent design and the weight. We often backpack into areas where the ground is too hard to anchor stakes. Also some areas where camping is restricted to tent pads. So we carry a free standing. Is it still possible to pitch quickly and easily in these situations? Also is the a tent pole that can be purchased for the X-Mid?
The shape of the X-Mid lends itself well to tent pads because both tend to be rectangular. Usually there is a way to tie/anchor the X-Mid to the tent pad, such as tying around the end of the boards, staking to the ground off the edges, connecting to eyelets on the sides of the platform, and/or inserting the cord between slats and anchoring it to a stake below. Takes a bit of creativity but once you've done it a few times it's not too hard. Here's an example of someone doing a nice job:
imgur.com/8JtwWgs
For other difficult staking situations, you can tie off to rocks and trees. For tying to rocks, easiest is the "little rock, big rock" method, which involves tying to a small rock (easy to do) and then anchoring that small rock by placing one or more larger rocks on top.
You can also buy very tough stakes that you can really pound into the ground (e.g. with a rock). The example below shows a very strong stake you can often pound into quite rocky soil.
vargooutdoors.com/titanium-nail-peg.html
Hey Dan, could you make a video on the knots and set up required in order to pitch the tent inner only?
It basically involves removing the peak guylines from the fly, tying them to the inner peaks (using any knot) and then tying any loop in that cord (e.g. glove hitch, overhand) for the pole tip. There's some more info on it in the DurstonGearhead's Facebook group.
But I'm working on an inner only kit that will be sold as an accessory on DurstonGear.com starting in April/May that will make it 100% plug 'n play. For anyone that does it regularly it'll be a nice upgrade.
Hi Dan, ive just ordered the x mid 2 solid, just a thought, if you haven't already made one, a rectangular footprint that covers the vestibule floors would be great, if placed down first it would make getting the tent pitched in a pure rectangle easier first time.....and help keep your gear clean and dry👍🏻🙂
We don't offer a footprint like this, but a lot of 3P tents from other brands have a footprint that is roughly this size. MSR makes "three person large" footprint that fills the entire fly quite well.
@@durstongear awesome, thanks for the heads up, I can't wait for my X mid to arrive.
Did you add some shock cord to the extra stakeout points, or does it come with that?
Yeah I did. Good point. They don't come with that because I want people to use the main stake points (4 corners) to get a good pitch rather than compensate for a loose pitch by adding extra stakes. Using these is more of an advanced technique that most people won't need to do.
But some people stake them anyways (with no shockcord) which isn't great because it tends to pull the fly too low. E.g. If the fly is pitched with a few inch gap but then these are staked to the ground, that creates wrinkles in the fly as it's pulled lower there.
This looks fantastic. I see the Amazon and Drop links, but is there any EU dealer/retailer/shop/etc.?
Drop ship to the EU for a pretty reasonably cost ($8 USD or so) but then you're liable for whatever local taxes you have upon delivery (e.g. VAT). The X-Mid is also on Amazon.co.uk but not sure which European countries they ship to. That includes the tax/duty up front so there's no surprise.
Here in the uk the tax will add nearly a third onto the price (around £90) unfortunately it puts it out my price range 😭
Does it last longer with a tarp under the inner tent? Are there walking sticks that work particularly well with it?
You can add a groundsheet but the floor is durable enough to last a very long time (hundreds of nights) if you're camped on normal surfaces and use reasonable care. We'll have groundsheets on pre-sale over at DurstonGear.com starting monday.
All adjustable trekking poles are compatible. Fixed length ones need to be 48" / 120cm.
If both answers are "YES" then I'm certainly going to get one. I currently have a Duplex which is great in summer conditions. However I live in the PNW, so Summer conditions are maybe 2 or 3 months out of the year.
A few questions:
1. Is a ground cloth needed, or is the floor durable enough to not need one?
2. If I wanted to cowboy camp, is the fly durable enough to lay on?
Hi Casey,
Thanks for your interest.
1) With the floor we choose a material that is light but still durable enough to use without a ground cloth, as long as you use a bit of care (e.g. checking the site for sharp sticks and rocks). We only recommend a ground sheet for harsh surfaces like on rock or gravel, or if you want to keep the floor clean.
2) The fly is the same material as the floor, so yes you could sleep on it. You would have to be okay with it getting a bit dirty, and you would have to use the same caution.
I echo exactly what Wild Camper said above. I received mine end of August right after I did my first multi-overnight trip up in Olympic National Park. Wish I could have had it to use then because I was relegated to carrying a 3P Marmot stand-alone just for myself....6 pounds of “fun”!! The 2P is approx 2 pounds...breath of fresh air. Thought my son was going with but he couldn’t go and I already had the permit...so no load sharing unfortunately. Have only used it in the backyard so far. Got a decent pitch the first time too....but I took my sweet time too. My interest in gear is always peaked by smart and efficient design and ability to use gear that satisfies many practical aspects/needs/desires. Now I have something else for my trekking poles to do!
What is the recommendation on a using a ground sheet? I never see one in the instructional vids. Obviously it depends on where you pitch it but most of the time there is not much of a choice once you’re done for the day.
I'm working on some factory built groundsheets that will clip in. I should have those for sale on DurstonGear.com around spring (~May). Most people aren't using groundsheets and the tent should be fine without if put a bit of care into where you pitch (e.g. check the site for sharp sticks/rocks/roots) but a groundsheet is nice if you want the extra safety margin and/or want to camp on harsher surfaces like rock.
That’s great Dan....Many Thanks for the response....I’ll look out for that in the Spring!
Hi, great video, how tall do you think someone can be while still feeling (1) comfortable and (2) the maximum height allowed? Thank you!
When using the X-Mid 2P with two people we recommend it to 6'4". For most people that will be a comfortable height, but it depends on several factors like how big the sleeping bag is, how thick the pad, if there is a pillow and how straight they sleep. Certainly it is comfortable at 6'0 - 6'2" for almost anyone and some people are happy up to 6'6", so we recommend it for 6'4".
That is when using the tent with two people. With one person inside it is very long because you can sleep on the diagonal and the parallelogram shaped floor gives a very long diagonal. You can be 7'0" and sleep on the diagonal.
I just love this tent! I will be hiking the AT with my dog who is 70 lbs! I have never had a trekking pole tent. You took your dogs along too, did they ever hit the piles? Thank you for any help!! Take care!
We've never had an issue with our dog, nor heard of any issues, but plausibly a very excited/active dog could hit the pole. In that case I might be more worried about other aspects of the tent (e.g. the dog clawing at the mesh). So a very hyper dog might not work well but the vast majority of dogs should be fine.
Mako is big but wonderful and I will definitely get him used to the tent first and foremost b4 heading out on the AT. Thx again
Dan where can I buy this tent? I see a one person on eBay are the 2 person available? Thanks again!
@@NancyandMako Drop will have more very soon. They are arriving any day now and on sale in perhaps 1 week. If you click 'request' here you'll get an email when it opens:
drop.com/buy/drop-x-mid-2-person-tent-designed-by-dan-durston/
@@durstongear thanks Dan
Thanks so much - may I request an inner-only video as shown here, looks nice.
Right now the method is to remove the peak guylines from the fly and tie them to the inner peaks, plus tie loops for the pole tips. Then stake the corners of the floor and add the poles. But I'm working on a simpler "inner only" kit that'll have separate guylines that clip right on with matching buckles plus a grommet for the pole tip. Should be out in Feb-March on DurstonGear.com. You can sign up for the interest list here:
docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdP6DV1XrQHsZpFjOtts18ZyxNWs8QbPObD_Wm7NsHh90EfWA/viewform
@@durstongear thanks, lightning fast as usual :)
Any idea when the 2P will be available in Canada?? I check every day and have a trip coming up... Love your tent. @DanDurston
We're trying but the way it works is that Amazon Canada orders stock from Amazon USA - but the X-Mid 2P is selling out tooo fast on Amazon USA for the Canadian site to order some.
We have another 250 to release mid next week which is our last batch until fall. Those will ship to Canada from Amazon USA so you can order one there, but we won't be able to get them on Amazon Canada until we can keep them in stock for longer (this will sell out in a few hours). That's why the 1P is there now but not the 2P.
@@durstongear they are way more expensive on amazon.com aren't they?
@@daggiedrop7108 Those high prices are from 3rd party scalpers since we are out of stock right now. The price is $300 USD when we have it available. There is tax and shipping on top of that, which is about $100 because Canada has a lot of tax on tents (12% sales tax and 18% tariff on tents). You pay that either way though (e.g. a tent at MEC has that tariff included in the price and then you pay sales tax on top).
Hi a newbie here. That's a wonderful looking tent and I might upgrade from my current Kelty, but 1 thing though, can you use a fixed-length poles to setup this tent? I am new to trekking pole tents and I have a pair of Black diamond 120cm CF poles I took on hikes. Is it viable to use fix length poles for this or I have to get new poles ? TIA
You can use fixed length poles as long as they are the right length. 120cm actually is the right length for the X-Mid 2P, so you're in luck there.
The actual length will vary a little bit depending on any bumps/dips in the ground, and how high you pitch the fly (setting the cords longer at the corners lifts it up) but 120cm is a good length and will work pretty well. If the pole is slightly too long you can angle it a bit. Or if it's slightly too short you could put something under it like a flat rock.
Hi Dan, I bought the 1P and I ordered a carbon poleset from Intents. The tip on the poleset is not seating properly in the tent. The end slips a bit. Can you recommend a pole tip adapter that will fit better ?
Hmm.....it looks like those poles have a flat top instead of a grommet style tip.
I think you could find the right tip here:
www.questoutfitters.com/tent_poles.htm
Go under the right size of poles and then they have different tips there.
I like my new X Mid 2 but would like some ideas on how to easily pack it up in the mornings: fold and roll, stuff, keep them hooked together or separate?
It’s important to be able to quickly get your gear packed and get moving sometimes.
What are people’s experiences and suggestions please.
Glad you're liking the tent. For packing it up, I suggest keeping it all clipped together unless the fly is wet and you want to keep the inner dry.
You can pack it up any way, but I prefer to fold and roll because it is more tidy and packs smaller. Our TH-cam channels has two pitching videos. The older one shows how I pack it up at the end.
Hope that helps,
Dan
@@durstongear Thanks for responding, I’ll go find that video and watch it. Well thought out tent.
Hey Dan! Question on storage: Is it ok to keep my X-Mid in the stuff sack (assuming it's clean and dry) or should I store it less compressed in a larger bag/container?
Yeah if it's dry it's okay to keep in the stuff sack. It's not so tight that it would be a problem. It'll be a bit wrinkly after a long storage but that fades out quickly.
@@durstongear Ok awesome, thanks for the fast reply!
Hi Dan, I'm ready to pull the trigger and get your tent. I was just wondering if it could come with a solid inner within say 4 month. Or do you think the ability to lower the fly all the way to the ground will give the same effect as a solid inner? Thanks
Being able to lower the fly accomplishes a lot of that because it blocks wind/snow/drafts and you can pile a little snow on the edge to make it more air tight if you want. But a solid inner is slightly warmer yet since that extra layer of solid fabric does keep a little more heat in. Many UK hikers have commented that they're fine with the mesh inner because the full coverage fly work well but some still prefer a solid inner.
We're not going to have a solid inner option for the 2P anytime soon. I'd like to do it but I haven't been able to convince Drop yet. I'm trying to have it ready for next winter (e.g. fall 2021) but that's not certain.
Solid inner is coming. Dan already posted pictures on the r/ultralight subreddit.
Stoked to order mine when the preorder starts. Finally a replacement for my Fortress 3p.
I just received my 2P last week and will maiden it this weekend with our 8 year old son. Truly stoked to have this to replace my (30 y/o) REI Traildome -- at about 1/3 the weight!! Expecting rain and 15-20 mph winds throughout the weekend in the Shenandoah, so we'll find out how she handles the weather! Based on first impressions of its design and material qualities, I'm optimistic this will be an excellent tent. Well done Dan!
Thanks! Best wishes on your trip!
At 3:24, is that witht he star gazer kit or did you just use the guy lines?
In that clip I just tied the peak guylines to the inner peaks and then tied a loop for the pole tip. The Stargazer kit makes this slicker but it can be done without.
is it 50 inch wide or 52 inch wide which is whats on the website now?
What height do you set the trekking poles at?
We design these tents to be simple to use, so there's no need to measure the poles. You stake out the 4 corners, then adjust the base of the tent so it's tight, and then just extend your poles until the fly is tight. Normally that's about 120 cm but can be a bit more or less depending on uneven ground and how it is pitched.
will the batch available in July have any updates to it from the previous release? With the new xmid pro, there were tensioned floors and magnetic straps to hold the door up. Can we expect those two things on the regular x-mid in the July batch or soon?
Yes. Lots of updates coming to the regular 2P for the next batch. We will announce them all in a few weeks.
would this work with tent poles instead of trekking poles?
Yes. People use folding poles like these:
www.tarptent.com/product/vertical-support-pole/
I'm working on a custom carbon set for the X-Mid that is adjustable to fine tune the pitch. Not quite done development now but should have those later this year. In the mean time, a few other companies offer reasonable good options like the link above and these:
www.sixmoondesigns.com/products/5-section-pole-49-carbon-fiber
How do you feel about footprints with this tent? Under what conditions would you use one?
I don't use them. The only times I wished I had them were two occasions when I camped on an old road with kinda sharp gravel. That was okay but I had to be extra careful not to be sliding around. But for normal backcountry use it's not needed. The 20D floor is a good balance where it's fine if you take care of it. I would use one on bedrock/gravel or car camping where weight isn't important and the pads can be crushed gravel.
Why doesn't anyone show in these videos how to roll the tent back up so that it fits in the bag? I've tried 30+ times to get the tent back in the provided sack and spent over an hour before giving up and just packing the tent loose in the backpack. It'd be great if someone showed a video on how to fold these back up.
Sorry about the frustration. We do have a pitching video on our channel that does have some information on this if you check that out. This video here is just a quick overview of the pitch so it doesn't have that detail.
Hey Dan, you realize if you make the DCF version and come in at approx 22 oz or below, it'll be the biggest blow ever to the Zpacks Duplex? Issues your design solves: lower stake count, easier setup, steeper sidewalls, superior entry experience, a mesh door that won't fall down in the mud or get stepped on (bye-bye rainbow zippers). I'm assuming you'd go with a similar bathtub floor design with mesh netting all around the perimeter? Are you willing to drop features like the vestibule zipper and the top vents in order to come in at a sub 24 oz weight (including the stakes and stuff sack)?
We're working on hard on this. I think we can keep things like vents and vestibule zippers and still come in close to 22oz because we have other weight saving advantages (e.g. fewer seams, fewer guyouts). Hard to say right now though because we're in the process and still making those decisions. We're planning a pre-sale this fall for spring delivery. You can stay in the loop here:
durstongear.com/product/x-mid-pro-2p
@@durstongear Wow, that'd be an incredible market offering. Signed up! Can't wait to see the final product.
Hi, any idea if Amazon are shipping the updated 2p version yet?
Also essentially what is the difference between the old & new?
Almost certain Amazon is shipping the updated version as well. The only differences are wider 2.5mm cord at the 4 corners and it now includes 4 wider titanium V stakes + 4 ti hooks instead of all 8 ti hooks for more holding power in softer soils, so the updates are easily retrofitted for a few dollars.
@@durstongear i received my xmid2 on 11 dec 20020 that was ordered from Amazon. I can confirm it is the updated model with the different stakes etc.
@@terryboardman789 Good to hear! Thanks for this.
I’ve seen multiple mentions of being able to ‘collapse’ a vestibule when you need to save space. I have the x-mid 2p. Are there specific recommendations for how to do this?
There are some videos now if you search for 'X-Mid Skinny pitch' but I'll be filmed a thorough one soon that should be posted in a couple weeks on our channel.
@@durstongear thank you!
Hello Dan, I just pulled the trigger on the 2P on Amazon . Were there any updates on this run that I can expect? Or was the $20 price jump just a market decision? Either way, can't wait to get it in a few days and set it up.
We updated the tent with wider titanium V stakes for the current batch (which increases costs a bit but is an improvement). We also switched to wider 2.5mm cord at the four corners for better holding power and strength in storms (doesn't really affect costs). Those are the ones in stock on Amazon now.
I'm not involved in the pricing decisions but my speculation is that the $20 price increase was due to a few things: (1) higher ti V stake costs, (2) inflation, (3) adding costs from either selling on Amazon now or on Drop they give 5% credit (~$15 credit) towards next purchase, and (4) Drop priced these tents really low originally so even with a slightly higher price they're still marking it up less than everyone else.
@@durstongear Thanks Dan. Still a good price for what I get if it is as advertised and reviewed by others. Happy Hiking!
I have some questions, how to prevent nails pulled out when support the trekking pole. And is it okay to just knead it into a ball and store it?
Yes you can stuff the tent to store it.
For the stakes, it is important to use the right stakes for the conditions. If the soil is soft you will want larger 20 cm stakes.
@@durstongear Thanks for reply.
Looks like a great tent. My big concern with all tents is length. I’m 6’4” and wondering if the this and/or pro is long enough enough while using a sleeping pad and a 10* quilt. Thanks.
The X-Mid 2p is a fairly generous tent for length, as the floor is 92" long. For use with two people, we recommend it up to 6'4".
For solo use, the 2P is very long because the parallelogram shaped floor gives on diagonal that is super long. It works up to about 7'0" for a solo occupant on the diagonal.
DanDurston Thanks for the up date. After I sent this, I watched the 6’4” ish guy demonstrate how the tent works for him. I’m on the mailing list to get one in January, I think it is.
DanDurston This year summer ‘22 is June 21. Is that the expected time of delivery? I know you can’t be exact, but range would be appreciated. Thanks
@@barondavis5692 Nice. That guy is basically the worst case scenario because he's not only tall but also on a thick pad, with a very thick bag, and using TWO pillows so he is higher off the ground where it's shorter. And he still has good space. There's also large gaps between the mesh and fly, so touching the mesh a little is not a problem.
@@barondavis5692 Our batch that is going on pre-sale in a few weeks (early January) will ship to customers about 6 weeks later (e.g. late Feb/early March). After that we'll only have a few small batches in 2022 due to covid related delays, so this January pre-sale is the best time to get one.
What are the Sleeping Mats you were using on here?
Those are NeoAir's from Thermrest. One is the Uberlight version and the other is the Xtherm version.
@@durstongear looks a lot more comfy then my Klymit Static V...