You tricked me! Here I was expecting a technical camera comparison and instead you transport me to another world. I can't get enough of your work! Something about the combination of the locations, flying, technical quality, music selection and editing, it all works to create a whole bigger than the sum of the parts! Where abouts in the world are you to get such amazing locations all the time?
Thank so much! I am glad you like what I was trying to go for, to entrance viewers and transport them. I just drive around to find these places and do some research on google maps. Even in the smallest of places you can find pockets of beauty and magic.
I don't know if I guessed it right because I own Sony cameras but the difference was so clear. The Sigma FP is fenomanally good! wow! Thank you Sam again for your work and time!
Dunno why I like more A image, it looks more natural, maybe too soft but highlights and shadows dont have strange halo like in B cam, which is too contrasty and sharpened. Despite all answers I think that A cam is Sigma:)
Camera A looks out of Focus compared to Camera B. Much more detail in the images from Camera B by far. Did you make sure the Sony was focused to iInfinity correctly?
I zoom in on my cameras and focus the manual dial at the widest aperture to pull focus on a distance object and then tape the ring down so it never moves again during the flights so I can verify that it is as clear as it gets. Concerning sharpening, I applied more sharpening to the Sony footage than the Sigma fp actually. I think it is hard for the APS-C sensor to compete with full frame so a comparison of the ZV-E1 VS Sigma fp would be more fair.
@@strawhatsam I heard in another review the Laowa 10mm f4 cookie actually has trouble with infinity focus, and that you have to dial it in a lot and zoom on the image to confirm focus.
@@strawhatsam is A the zv-10? Either way it looks pretty nice. I’m sure B might be as good or better with sharpening reduced a bit. Looks like the mid-tones sharpening thing in DaVinci
I thought we'd see revelation in the end of the video, but we did not))). So, I definitely vote for the A CAM cause it is Sigma fp. Very nice shots, the FPV drone operator is a master! . . .Whaaat!!!)))))))
@@ali3n24 Sorry. Not completely true. Some of the world's best cinema cameras are "crop" sensors. There is nothing wrong with APS-C and Super35 sensors. Sensor size is not a clear indication of visual performance. The newly introduced Sony A7CII would be a closer comparison to the Sigma FP. But what makes the Sigma excel is its video capture bit rates and color depth. Resolution is easy. Color detail is hard.
@@bikergeekgd Of course 12 bit and bitrate is more better for color grading and details. Ok, lets try compare cheap crop with average lens and full frame with good lens in low light. Difference will be HUGE! It,s a vig problem, bec drones can,t shot good footage at evening or night. Only in daytime.
@@ali3n24 Its really not that big of a difference anymore between crop and full frame. Some of the best shot movies ever made were done on a crop sensor.
Well, it´s hard to jude on YT not seeing the original Data allthough I got the Sigma fp myself. I think the 1h prire to sunset gives better light. Including the Laowa Pancake 10mm, witch allows the APSC aquivalent sensor, the weigt of the fp is around 800g I am getting not more than 4 min flight time max. What do you geth with the Volture?
the fp looks so much better when watching in 4k in my pc, in the phone at 1080 both got eaten by youtube compression. the 8bit 4.2.0 color in 2:09 really showed
Have you done any testing on what kind of flight times you can get with the 7 inch? Considering cinelifter options right now and it would be cool to get one with decent range when carrying a compact camera like the ZV
With a 7 inch Vulture out in the field here I was conservative and landed at 5 minutes with the Sigma fp and 6 minutes with the ZV-E10. A full flight is 6 and 7 minutes respectively. This is with 2200mah 6S CHNL LiPo.
Camera A is sony for sure. The greenish sony color science doesn't lie. Looks very good though. Sigma FP is just so much hassle to export and convert to a usable editable format that it almost doesn't worth the effort. Would be good of you could please put the bmpcc sample on the vulture with 7 inch arms. Also please make shipping costs affordable to us living on the other side of the planet (Australia) 😅. Thanks for making this video. Stunning footage 🔥🚀
I think I've got the workflow down for the Sigma fp so that for personal uses it's no longer a hassle. You can read the description for the workflow. I added UPS and USPS shipping options to my website if you need cheaper shipping. I will compare the Sigma fp to the bmpcc4k after I complete my 4.0 cage design.
Most of the time I like camera A. But there are some scenes flying against bright sky and camera B shows details of the sky, while A not. But the image of B is kind of weird.
Awesome job! Both looked good but you can clearly see the advantage the FP has in being able to capture 4k 12 bit raw. I thought the rolling shutter would effect the Sigma more being on a drone but it wasnt bad at all.
I used a 1TB SSD and I flew for 20 minutes total with the sigma fp. So that's about 360GB with at a rate of 240Gbps at 4K 24p. After using slimraw, the raw files were reduced to 87GB total. And after transcoding to cineform after color grading in Davinci, it went down to 85GB.
A: is to much yellow. B: has slightly more details or more contrast. Better colors Might be able to fix the colors from A with a color shift. Both where for shure better than a GoPro. I assumed A is Sony because of the colors
I want to like B but it is way over sharpened. So i picked A on most clips. A feels more natural but it almost draws in the details a few frames late so it’s kinda blocky and gross. Cool test 👍🏼
You're one of a few people who have commented saying that camera B is too sharp. What screen are you watching with this video with? I am not a professional color grading expert at all, but on my laptop workstation with 4K 500-nit UHD Dolby Vision HDR screen, it doesn't look over sharpened to me. Perhaps it looks very different on other devices? In Davinci Resolve I set the blur slider to 0.48. For context, the slider starts at 0.50 and goes all the way down to 0 in increasing sharpness.
@@strawhatsam I watched on ipad .48 in davinci is pretty sharp you can do .48 or sometimes even .47 but turn mid tone detail down by -25 to -40 that will keep the sharpening from getting gross. Midtone details is top right on primary wheels. I think the other thing i liked more on Sony was softer highlight roll off. I bet you could mimic that on the sigma too with a super soft feathered highlights only mask and turn highs down. Still though great test 👍🏼
B is for sure the sigma. I prefer a gopro simply because you can stabilize it. The mechanical robotic nature of a pid-tuned movement just doesn't do it for me. It's nothing like a handheld shake. It has no character IMO
You tricked me! Here I was expecting a technical camera comparison and instead you transport me to another world. I can't get enough of your work! Something about the combination of the locations, flying, technical quality, music selection and editing, it all works to create a whole bigger than the sum of the parts! Where abouts in the world are you to get such amazing locations all the time?
Thank so much! I am glad you like what I was trying to go for, to entrance viewers and transport them. I just drive around to find these places and do some research on google maps. Even in the smallest of places you can find pockets of beauty and magic.
Insane. I was so mesmerised by your flying I lost track of the camera switching. Well done.
I don't know if I guessed it right because I own Sony cameras but the difference was so clear. The Sigma FP is fenomanally good! wow! Thank you Sam again for your work and time!
FP looks fantastic. Excellent drone piloting there!
Dunno why I like more A image, it looks more natural, maybe too soft but highlights and shadows dont have strange halo like in B cam, which is too contrasty and sharpened. Despite all answers I think that A cam is Sigma:)
I agree i like A
@@JohnnySnipes Camera A (Sony) costs more than half the price of the Sigma, though lacks the dynamic range.
This is the best frame I want to try as my first cinelifter
Can z cam e2 m4 put on Vulture?
Camera A looks out of Focus compared to Camera B. Much more detail in the images from Camera B by far. Did you make sure the Sony was focused to iInfinity correctly?
I zoom in on my cameras and focus the manual dial at the widest aperture to pull focus on a distance object and then tape the ring down so it never moves again during the flights so I can verify that it is as clear as it gets. Concerning sharpening, I applied more sharpening to the Sony footage than the Sigma fp actually. I think it is hard for the APS-C sensor to compete with full frame so a comparison of the ZV-E1 VS Sigma fp would be more fair.
@@strawhatsam I heard in another review the Laowa 10mm f4 cookie actually has trouble with infinity focus, and that you have to dial it in a lot and zoom on the image to confirm focus.
A looks nicest to me. B looks over sharpened and appears to blow out some Colors (Eg, 1:46
Maybe I went a little heavy handed on the saturation? XD I just wanted those wildflowers to pop.
@@strawhatsam is A the zv-10? Either way it looks pretty nice. I’m sure B might be as good or better with sharpening reduced a bit. Looks like the mid-tones sharpening thing in DaVinci
I thought we'd see revelation in the end of the video, but we did not))). So, I definitely vote for the A CAM cause it is Sigma fp.
Very nice shots, the FPV drone operator is a master!
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.Whaaat!!!)))))))
Nice comparison and flying skills.
This is phenomenal! Wow! Beautiful cinematography and incredible piloting skills! And the landscape is absolutely breathtaking. Where was this filmed?
Masterful drone piloting. The camera difference is night and day. The Sigma 12-bit yields so much more color detail.
It`s stupid compare cheap crop camera with full frame... It's like compare GoPro 3 and Action 3 with 1" sensor
@@ali3n24 Sorry. Not completely true. Some of the world's best cinema cameras are "crop" sensors. There is nothing wrong with APS-C and Super35 sensors. Sensor size is not a clear indication of visual performance. The newly introduced Sony A7CII would be a closer comparison to the Sigma FP. But what makes the Sigma excel is its video capture bit rates and color depth. Resolution is easy. Color detail is hard.
@@bikergeekgd Of course 12 bit and bitrate is more better for color grading and details. Ok, lets try compare cheap crop with average lens and full frame with good lens in low light. Difference will be HUGE! It,s a vig problem, bec drones can,t shot good footage at evening or night. Only in daytime.
@@ali3n24 Its really not that big of a difference anymore between crop and full frame. Some of the best shot movies ever made were done on a crop sensor.
@@chickenpasta7359 Only at daytime not big difference
great stuff you put up here on this channel but its easy to tell what camera is what
Well, it´s hard to jude on YT not seeing the original Data allthough I got the Sigma fp myself. I think the 1h prire to sunset gives better light. Including the Laowa Pancake 10mm, witch allows the APSC aquivalent sensor, the weigt of the fp is around 800g I am getting not more than 4 min flight time max. What do you geth with the Volture?
Sigma is Cam B. Much more interesting and exciting.
please show us how you stabilize it 🙏🙏 please some tutorials
I only used a bit of Adobe warp stabilizer. Percents ranging from 1 to 10 percent.
the fp looks so much better when watching in 4k in my pc, in the phone at 1080 both got eaten by youtube compression. the 8bit 4.2.0 color in 2:09 really showed
Yep you just don't get the same look and flexibility with 8-bit.
totally agree!
Have you done any testing on what kind of flight times you can get with the 7 inch? Considering cinelifter options right now and it would be cool to get one with decent range when carrying a compact camera like the ZV
With a 7 inch Vulture out in the field here I was conservative and landed at 5 minutes with the Sigma fp and 6 minutes with the ZV-E10. A full flight is 6 and 7 minutes respectively. This is with 2200mah 6S CHNL LiPo.
@@strawhatsam would a Li-Ion with 30C Molicel cells not work?
Thank you for a healthy dose of PTSD with those power lines swinging back and forth in sight :)
Camera A is sony for sure. The greenish sony color science doesn't lie. Looks very good though. Sigma FP is just so much hassle to export and convert to a usable editable format that it almost doesn't worth the effort. Would be good of you could please put the bmpcc sample on the vulture with 7 inch arms. Also please make shipping costs affordable to us living on the other side of the planet (Australia) 😅. Thanks for making this video. Stunning footage 🔥🚀
I think I've got the workflow down for the Sigma fp so that for personal uses it's no longer a hassle. You can read the description for the workflow. I added UPS and USPS shipping options to my website if you need cheaper shipping. I will compare the Sigma fp to the bmpcc4k after I complete my 4.0 cage design.
@@strawhatsam Thanks Sam. Much appreciated.
I knew it!! Camera B has better color transitions so I noticed and that and knew it was sigma
Most of the time I like camera A. But there are some scenes flying against bright sky and camera B shows details of the sky, while A not. But the image of B is kind of weird.
Awesome job! Both looked good but you can clearly see the advantage the FP has in being able to capture 4k 12 bit raw. I thought the rolling shutter would effect the Sigma more being on a drone but it wasnt bad at all.
Vangelis,my type of music.
A was nice and soft.
AMAZING how many GB do you use fot the footage in sigma
I used a 1TB SSD and I flew for 20 minutes total with the sigma fp. So that's about 360GB with at a rate of 240Gbps at 4K 24p. After using slimraw, the raw files were reduced to 87GB total. And after transcoding to cineform after color grading in Davinci, it went down to 85GB.
great comparison
Impressive!
A: is to much yellow. B: has slightly more details or more contrast. Better colors
Might be able to fix the colors from A with a color shift.
Both where for shure better than a GoPro.
I assumed A is Sony because of the colors
Sony is not bad at all given the smaller sensor. Definitely not as sharp as full frame sigma but just as juicy footage from Sony. Really comparable.
Yeah it's neat how well the camera does considering it is so cheap. Perfectly usable for building an FPV pilot's cinelifter reel.
I want to like B but it is way over sharpened. So i picked A on most clips.
A feels more natural but it almost draws in the details a few frames late so it’s kinda blocky and gross.
Cool test 👍🏼
You're one of a few people who have commented saying that camera B is too sharp. What screen are you watching with this video with? I am not a professional color grading expert at all, but on my laptop workstation with 4K 500-nit UHD Dolby Vision HDR screen, it doesn't look over sharpened to me. Perhaps it looks very different on other devices? In Davinci Resolve I set the blur slider to 0.48. For context, the slider starts at 0.50 and goes all the way down to 0 in increasing sharpness.
@@strawhatsam I watched on ipad
.48 in davinci is pretty sharp you can do .48 or sometimes even .47 but turn mid tone detail down by -25 to -40 that will keep the sharpening from getting gross. Midtone details is top right on primary wheels.
I think the other thing i liked more on Sony was softer highlight roll off. I bet you could mimic that on the sigma too with a super soft feathered highlights only mask and turn highs down. Still though great test 👍🏼
i hope camera B is the Sigma :D
You are correct.
@@strawhatsam crazy how much sharper and detailed the overall image is. didn't expect to see such a difference even through youtube
cam b all day for me. cam a seemed a little mushy
Damn! I was sure the A was Sigma fp 🤔 Something went wrong.
I thought the Sigma would have been Camera A becuase i prefered that footage, but its the Sony...lol.
so easy to tell the difference - black and white
B is for sure the sigma. I prefer a gopro simply because you can stabilize it. The mechanical robotic nature of a pid-tuned movement just doesn't do it for me. It's nothing like a handheld shake. It has no character IMO
I like the motion on the Sony better.
Cam A is clipping highlights, 8bit.
I like A
B, by a mile.
Vejo a FP com cores mais natural.
Not bad, Sony! I am Really surpassed by ZVE10!
Camera A looks much more natural
Camera B is over sharped
The Sony was obvious just by how digital and artificial it looks. Like straight from an iPhone
Fake video these are drone footage who is watching 😂😂😂