My Fender American deluxe jazz bass came with an Allen wrench that has a ball end. With it you can adjust the heel type truss rod without removing the strings or the neck.
@@VanLabrakis it's not the 13th fret though as your measure from fret 12 to fret 1. Sure the box on the finger board is where you'd fret 13 if you were playing, that's not the same thing as what's going on here. He's fretting the 12th
The KISS method and measurements work on a 5 string bass with a low B. There is a .010 on the Truss Rod Gauge if you need a bit more relief for your playing style and the low B. Email tech@musicnomad.com for more information.
John measures with the 17th fret depressed, Geoff/MusicNomad measure from the 12th fret depressed. Both are recommending roughly the same amount of actual relief in a bass neck, just measured in 2 different ways.
Agree! My bass would buzz like crazy set that aggressive at 0.080, 0.014-0.015 is more like it. Maybe they are trying to sell more tools. They are in the tool bizz 🙂
Btw on fender american standard u get the T allen wrench with the bass with balled so u dont have to take the neck off the bass i have the american standard jazz bass
The KISS setup method is based on doing all the steps in order and having level frets. For example, if you do the String Action Height adjustment only and you have fret buzz, it may be because you did not adjust your Truss Rod. Make sure you follow all the steps in the setup process. You can find the proper steps in our Setup Hub www.musicnomadcare.com/How-To-Advice/Setup-Hub/The-Setup-Flow/ For worn or un-even frets you will have to compensate for that until you are able to get fretwork done. To achieve clean notes and no buzzing without fretwork, you will need to raise the action until you achieve no buzz. More relief in the neck and higher string action can solve this, but it is harder to play and can lead to intonation issues. Another cause for buzzing can be that your nut slots are too low or were cut too low. If you are having any of these issues, we recommend you take your guitar to a qualified repair shop.
On a 5 string bass you would start with the gauge labeled bass .008. That is most common measurement for bass guitars. If you get some buzzing, go to the gauge labelled classical .010 to create a larger pocket for the low B string and other strings to oscillate.
On a 5 string bass you would start with the gauge labeled bass .008. That is most common measurement for bass guitars. If you get some buzzing, go to the gauge labeled classical .010 to create a larger pocket for the low B string and other strings to oscillate.
WHOA!!!! I just received this ;product from you swingin' cats.... I recently bought a 2008 Fender American Standard five (5) string Jazz bass ... It has fret buzz ... I took it to a Luthier ... she replaced 7 frets (including fret #5...) It STILL has fret buzz, particularly at fret #7 (none ABOVE fret #8, though)..... I used my new tool to measure as you do here ... there is NO SPACE and I can't even get the gauge under the E string (note: mine is a FIVE string bass, with the low B....) I then resumed watching the video, only to find that I have to take the neck off! I don't know whether she did this or not. Should I do this myself, or take it back to the Luthier? Or should I just adjust the string height at the bridge? They are not all the same there... Note: There is a hollowed out slot that looks like it will receive the truss rod adjustment wrench (I bought the genuine Fender one) quite well... Thanks...
UPDATE: I got the actual Fender manual for my 2008 5 string Jazz bass... It says: "To adjust the truss rod, use either a large Phillips or flathead screwdriver (for most vintage style basses), or the hex wrench supplied with your bass (for modern basses). Note that for vintage-style basses with the truss rod adjustment at the neck heel, you must remove the strings and loosen the neck mounting screws and/or remove the pickguard to gain access to the truss rod adjustment nut." So, mine does NOT use a Phillips or Flathead; it uses a Hex (Allen) wrench; again. I bought the genuine Fender one for this instrument. Also, it says between .12 and .14 at fret #7, not .09 at fret #5. I take it you guys are a little lower.... Which should I use? Note: Fender says capo the low B string if present and measure IT. Correct? Thanks...
It sounds like you only got a partial refret, we recommend you take it back to your Luthier and get it reevaluated due to you still having fret buzz. The KISS setup method is based on doing all the steps in order and having level frets. For more clarification you can email us at tech@musicnomad.com
@@MusicNomadCare Since this comment was based on a 5 string, I just ordered this set and I have a Stingray 5H, do you recommend .008(.20mm) as well? or around .010(.25mm)?
The setup process would be the same for a your Gibson ES 335 as the Gibson Les Paul. You can follow step by step here is the link for the Gibson Les Paul for you to follow th-cam.com/video/qeOu5-cppdY/w-d-xo.html
The pick capo allows you to hold the string down on top of the 1st fret with just enough tension and is easy to slip in without worrying about where it sits on the fret and how much tension is on it. Yes, you can use a regular capo but you need to make sure it is holding down the string directly on top of the 1st fret using the least amount of tension otherwise you will get an inaccurate reading.
Turning the truss rod "clockwise" depends on which way you look at it. If you look from the bridge to the nut you're turning it anti-clockwise. If you look the other way, from behind the nut down to the bridge, you're turning it clockwise. Many good men have died on lesser clarifications.
Whether your truss rod nut is at the headstock, heel or soundhole we recommend your orientation will be will looking at the truss rod nut when making your adjustment. Clockwise (the right) to tighten the nut which is taking away relief in the neck and counter clockwise (the left) is loosening the nut and adding relief in the neck.
If you're holding a screwdriver, with a screw ready to screw into a piece of wood, and someone says "turn it clockwise" would you say "but it depends end you look at"? No. Obviously you know what end to consider as it's the only possible option. The Allen key or screwdriver fits into the truss rod adjustment point that can only be accessed/found at one end. Find that end, put in the Allen key and turn the key clockwise. It is an unbelievably simple principle, how have you survived this long?
Thoughtful delivery of truss rod adjustments, which helped a bunch. Fan also of MusicNomad!
Great and useful vid. A few pro tips thrown in! great stuff.
My Fender American deluxe jazz bass came with an Allen wrench that has a ball end. With it you can adjust the heel type truss rod without removing the strings or the neck.
My 2004 Fender Squier Standard Precision 4 string
bass special, uses a 4mm Allen wrench for the truss rod hex nut.
Should we fret on the 12th fret or 13th fret? I'm asking because you fretted 13 both times.
You fret at the 12th fret. He is pressing down behind the 12th fret so the string is contacting/fretting at the 12th fret
@@MusicNomadCare I see, makes sense. Musician's still call that fretting the 13th fret though.
Can i use this on 5 string bass?@@MusicNomadCare
That's the first thing I noticed....glad you asked the question.
@@VanLabrakis it's not the 13th fret though as your measure from fret 12 to fret 1. Sure the box on the finger board is where you'd fret 13 if you were playing, that's not the same thing as what's going on here. He's fretting the 12th
Wait wait wait are we going to just ignore the nail polish? Helpful video thanks
Yes. We are.
Is it a problem?
That was helpful thank you so much!!
Does this system and measurement work on a B String....5 String bass?
The KISS method and measurements work on a 5 string bass with a low B. There is a .010 on the Truss Rod Gauge if you need a bit more relief for your playing style and the low B. Email tech@musicnomad.com for more information.
No reason to take the neck off when adjusting from the heel... just take off the pickguard for easy access.
For bass, Bass tech, (guitar tech), John Carothers uses a .015" feeler gauge for neck relief,(.008" seems pretty small....)
John measures with the 17th fret depressed, Geoff/MusicNomad measure from the 12th fret depressed. Both are recommending roughly the same amount of actual relief in a bass neck, just measured in 2 different ways.
Man. .015 is a lot of relief. Seems like .012 is most common.
Yeah agree
Agree! My bass would buzz like crazy set that aggressive at 0.080, 0.014-0.015 is more like it. Maybe they are trying to sell more tools. They are in the tool bizz 🙂
@@saltysaltytears does this really make such a big difference?
Truss rod set at 0.080 is a little too aggressive I think, might result in fret buzzing, I would back that off to at least 0.014 for better results.
Btw on fender american standard u get the T allen wrench with the bass with balled so u dont have to take the neck off the bass i have the american standard jazz bass
don't use ball head wrenches
It comes with the bass from Fender, says Fender on the tool. Works perfectly!@@yangmagic0703
Hello,which wrench is best for my fender cv 70s bass? 3/16 is too big obviously, and 4mm is a little bit loose , it almost makes me crazy😢 thanks
Hi, If you can email tech@musicnomad.com they will be able to help you with your question. Thanks!
Thank you!!
Hello.. I'm getting a buzz in high in the neck . Do add or remove relief
Sound gear 4 string 24fret
The KISS setup method is based on doing all the steps in order and having level frets. For example, if you do the String Action Height adjustment only and you have fret buzz, it may be because you did not adjust your Truss Rod. Make sure you follow all the steps in the setup process. You can find the proper steps in our Setup Hub www.musicnomadcare.com/How-To-Advice/Setup-Hub/The-Setup-Flow/
For worn or un-even frets you will have to compensate for that until you are able to get fretwork done. To achieve clean notes and no buzzing without fretwork, you will need to raise the action until you achieve no buzz. More relief in the neck and higher string action can solve this, but it is harder to play and can lead to intonation issues. Another cause for buzzing can be that your nut slots are too low or were cut too low. If you are having any of these issues, we recommend you take your guitar to a qualified repair shop.
more relief
Can i use this on five string bass?
On a 5 string bass you would start with the gauge labeled bass .008. That is most common measurement for bass guitars. If you get some buzzing, go to the gauge labelled classical .010 to create a larger pocket for the low B string and other strings to oscillate.
is the same information valid for an Ibanez SR 5 string?
On a 5 string bass you would start with the gauge labeled bass .008. That is most common measurement for bass guitars. If you get some buzzing, go to the gauge labeled classical .010 to create a larger pocket for the low B string and other strings to oscillate.
@@MusicNomadCare Thank you!
WHOA!!!! I just received this ;product from you swingin' cats.... I recently bought a 2008 Fender American Standard five (5) string Jazz bass ... It has fret buzz ... I took it to a Luthier ... she replaced 7 frets (including fret #5...) It STILL has fret buzz, particularly at fret #7 (none ABOVE fret #8, though)..... I used my new tool to measure as you do here ... there is NO SPACE and I can't even get the gauge under the E string (note: mine is a FIVE string bass, with the low B....) I then resumed watching the video, only to find that I have to take the neck off! I don't know whether she did this or not. Should I do this myself, or take it back to the Luthier? Or should I just adjust the string height at the bridge? They are not all the same there... Note: There is a hollowed out slot that looks like it will receive the truss rod adjustment wrench (I bought the genuine Fender one) quite well... Thanks...
UPDATE: I got the actual Fender manual for my 2008 5 string Jazz bass... It says: "To adjust the truss rod, use either a large
Phillips or flathead screwdriver (for most vintage
style basses), or the hex wrench supplied
with your bass (for modern basses). Note that
for vintage-style basses with the truss rod
adjustment at the neck heel, you must remove
the strings and loosen the neck mounting
screws and/or remove the pickguard to gain
access to the truss rod adjustment nut." So, mine does NOT use a Phillips or Flathead; it uses a Hex (Allen) wrench; again. I bought the genuine Fender one for this instrument. Also, it says between .12 and .14 at fret #7, not .09 at fret #5. I take it you guys are a little lower.... Which should I use? Note: Fender says capo the low B string if present and measure IT. Correct? Thanks...
It sounds like you only got a partial refret, we recommend you take it back to your Luthier and get it reevaluated due to you still having fret buzz. The KISS setup method is based on doing all the steps in order and having level frets. For more clarification you can email us at tech@musicnomad.com
@@MusicNomadCare Since this comment was based on a 5 string, I just ordered this set and I have a Stingray 5H, do you recommend .008(.20mm) as well? or around .010(.25mm)?
@@MusicNomadCare Never go back to that luther, they should have corrected your fret buzz. Why did she replace 7 frets on a newish 2008 bass?
@@grantkoeller8911Yeah, that’s wild. I wish I was there to hear the reasoning.
Can you do a full setup on a 335
Could you give us the specific guitar your referencing
@@MusicNomadCare gibson es 335. You have a strat, tele and les paul. I feel like a 335 would complete the basics
The setup process would be the same for a your Gibson ES 335 as the Gibson Les Paul. You can follow step by step here is the link for the Gibson Les Paul for you to follow th-cam.com/video/qeOu5-cppdY/w-d-xo.html
Why don't you use a capo on first fret
Why a pick
The pick capo allows you to hold the string down on top of the 1st fret with just enough tension and is easy to slip in without worrying about where it sits on the fret and how much tension is on it. Yes, you can use a regular capo but you need to make sure it is holding down the string directly on top of the 1st fret using the least amount of tension otherwise you will get an inaccurate reading.
@@MusicNomadCare aha moment thank you so much I will do this with the thick white pick that came with product
The truss rod feels tight, because your strings are up to full string tension
It's weird that the cheaper "Made in Mexico" Fenders actually come with a better truss rod system installed.
It's not better. It's the worst design. Best design is those in the likes of EB basses.
@@rorow3rwhy is it the “worst”
Yes and the Squiers as well. It's a nice touch.
Turning the truss rod "clockwise" depends on which way you look at it. If you look from the bridge to the nut you're turning it anti-clockwise. If you look the other way, from behind the nut down to the bridge, you're turning it clockwise. Many good men have died on lesser clarifications.
Whether your truss rod nut is at the headstock, heel or soundhole we recommend your orientation will be will looking at the truss rod nut when making your adjustment. Clockwise (the right) to tighten the nut which is taking away relief in the neck and counter clockwise (the left) is loosening the nut and adding relief in the neck.
@@MusicNomadCare You don't seem to have addressed what I said.
When you look at the face of a clock you dont look at it from the back. Looking at the nut you turn clockwise. Simple.
@@darrinvandemark4781 A clock has a 12 at the top. A nut doesn't. So looking at the nut...from which vantage point?
If you're holding a screwdriver, with a screw ready to screw into a piece of wood, and someone says "turn it clockwise" would you say "but it depends end you look at"? No. Obviously you know what end to consider as it's the only possible option. The Allen key or screwdriver fits into the truss rod adjustment point that can only be accessed/found at one end. Find that end, put in the Allen key and turn the key clockwise. It is an unbelievably simple principle, how have you survived this long?