I used the Logic Pro 11 stem splitter for the first time a few days ago. For my use, it was quite good enough. I use stem splitting to isolate different instruments to use as a way of much more easily extracting midi sequences instead of using the separated stems in the mix. For one, it is a really great way to do drum replacement. What I am really looking forward to is the day that an AI driven stem splitter can separate out each and every instrument sound in a mix. To tackle really dense, complex mixes of primarily synthesizer tones will likely prove to be the most difficult to do.
Dope vid! Surprised there isnt more coverage on this sort of thing. 😵 Did find it funny you were referencing RX11 before you used it in the video, editing oversight I suspect but still an awesome vid! 🤘💯🎧
Kind of a shame we don't see Cubase and Spectralayers thrown in here too. I gather that Spectralayers does far more than just stem separating, but from other comparison videos it appears this Steinberg tool does a heck of a job on this kind of thing, and had the benefit that one can highlight stray sound (even the best of these tools makes tiny "mistakes") and move them over to an adjacent layer (the strategy would be to identify the stray sound, say a stray "synth", then move the synth layer up just below your working layer, then highlight the stray synth, and move to the next layer which is now "synth"), if you do this just right, then you have a work process to not only use the power of the tool, but hand tweaking to arrive closer to full separation as well.
couple reasons. 1. 4 Was enough, it took hours to prep everything as it was. 2. I wanted things to be as accessible as possible (as stated in the video) 3. I created the tutorials for RX version 8 and decided that would be the more advanced of the tools to cover
@@Unders This is good work and we are grateful you do it. I am one of those people who has yet to dive into creating stems, but can use that ability. From what I can see they all have their pluses and minuses. Since I've long been on Cubase I ran into the issue of using Spectralayers. Right now using the included reduced feature version with a mind to determine if their full version is going to potentially be worth it.
I appreciate that! glad it was what you needed too. I'm also amazed people use bing 😆 in order of discovery on analytics is Google, Yandex 🤷♂️ , duck duck go.
So, I had some driving thoughts today and rushed to the comments: This is all really scary tech when you think about it...someone could take another someone's beat with their producer tag in it and separate vocals to effectively remove it pretty well...and avoid paying for the beat. Not condoning this, but its a very real possibility.
@AndrewPlaster the reality is, people are always going to try and steal shit in a digital world. There’s ways to protect for it. But nothing is fool proof, yet.
I tried LALAL....AI a few minutes ago and I like what it did with a WAV file from and old Church CD my church made. I am going to pay the $18 for 90 minutes of processing because it is only one CD I need to process and I am not overly concerned with processing speed as long as it completes the conversions in a few hours or less (it shouldn't be a problem).
Yeah, these all sound pretty equally the same. I don’t think you’ll ever get rid of artifacts. I mean, I guess it can be helpful for practicing you know if you want to remove vocals and sing over at track or try to remove the guitars stuff like that or learn apart maybe might be helpful. Use some EQ to clean it up a little bit.
so the tech u demonstrated in this video is pretty awesome! hope one day someone builds a vst plugin that can do this in any daw, that is affordable, or free? one can only hope. XD
Lalal is up there but nothing is as fast and high quality as Logic now imo. This is after I did a few gain matched tests with Serato mpc logic rx and Lalal, RX came out the worst
Interesting. I find RX can be the best especially from getting transients back like drums. But does require you to test settings. What version are you on I’ve no plans to spending on RX11 yet.
@@Unders Yup. RX actually does a better job now in some cases, when before you would get almost crystal clear results lala. That's what happens when you fiddle too much with the algorithm and claim its an improvement. Maybe, but then you've ruined a previous area.
I dont use MPC software or the modern MPC's an wanted to keep this as accessible as possible for everyone. Serato sample was another one i considered but 4 to compare was enough.
@@MrDisrupta yeeees yes I was impressed. I think I just didn’t want to spend the money on after trialing. I saw they’re making an Apple vision version and that could really be a great way to create.
I have all these you used and tried the rest of them. NONE of them are free of aliasing, which is especially bad in drums specifically cymbal crashes and bass guitar. They all still leave A LOT to be desired. I firmly disagree with you that any of this is truly usable. Do a track like Pat Travers live record with Tommy Aldrich on drums. Or any hard hitting drummer. This tech has not arrived for professional use. Not even for added tracks in a live show. Sorry about the negative sound of my reply, but I sugarcoat nothing when it comes to audio.
You’re welcome to your opinion, thanks for sharing it. Fact is these things are being used all the time for professional uses already. They just haven’t reached YOUR personal goals. Yet.
@@Unders I certainly don't know how from my experience. I've never heard a thing from natural instruments I'd put on a recording or use live. My ear don't have enough forgiveness to accept, 'it'll be ok in a mix'. And I have messed with all these software products til I'm blue. Please do me a favor and show me what you can do with something off the aforementioned PT 'Go For What You Know' record. I'm hoping you can show me something better than I've accomplished. Thanks much for your time and doing these reviews!
I think it will be some time for it to be as good as what you would get from a multi-track tape. I think the artifacts are from the removal of frequencies and its going to need AI to generate new frequencies to make up for the missing ones. So far the AI music generators sound like crap too.
@@asadshoro2088 It's phase correct or it's not. No cymbal crashes are phasing free. You point me to Pat Travers tracklib (there is none) and I'll get it. If something truly works I laud it. Why people here gotta be touchy when someone says it doesn't?
How about people demo this kind of software with real instruments? Samples are crap.We need to hear REAL music, played with intensity REAL musicians play with.
Tools
DistroKid - distrokid.com/vip/unders
Lalal.ai - www.lalal.ai/?fp_ref=scott38
FL Studio - www.image-line.com/fl-studio/
Logic Pro - www.apple.com/uk/logic-pro/
RX 11 - www.izotope.com/en/products/rx.html
underrated bro, i love ur humor and energy, also ur compositions and production is peak! first time watcher! now subscriber!
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same here, awesome intro
I used the Logic Pro 11 stem splitter for the first time a few days ago. For my use, it was quite good enough. I use stem splitting to isolate different instruments to use as a way of much more easily extracting midi sequences instead of using the separated stems in the mix. For one, it is a really great way to do drum replacement.
What I am really looking forward to is the day that an AI driven stem splitter can separate out each and every instrument sound in a mix. To tackle really dense, complex mixes of primarily synthesizer tones will likely prove to be the most difficult to do.
Man for sampling. its game changing. Thing you wouldnt touch before are now viable to pull apart and make something with. An i love that.
@@Unders True dat!
Dope vid! Surprised there isnt more coverage on this sort of thing. 😵 Did find it funny you were referencing RX11 before you used it in the video, editing oversight I suspect but still an awesome vid! 🤘💯🎧
I used RX10. RX11 was literally announced while I was recording the parts of the video.
Kind of a shame we don't see Cubase and Spectralayers thrown in here too. I gather that Spectralayers does far more than just stem separating, but from other comparison videos it appears this Steinberg tool does a heck of a job on this kind of thing, and had the benefit that one can highlight stray sound (even the best of these tools makes tiny "mistakes") and move them over to an adjacent layer (the strategy would be to identify the stray sound, say a stray "synth", then move the synth layer up just below your working layer, then highlight the stray synth, and move to the next layer which is now "synth"), if you do this just right, then you have a work process to not only use the power of the tool, but hand tweaking to arrive closer to full separation as well.
couple reasons.
1. 4 Was enough, it took hours to prep everything as it was.
2. I wanted things to be as accessible as possible (as stated in the video)
3. I created the tutorials for RX version 8 and decided that would be the more advanced of the tools to cover
@@Unders This is good work and we are grateful you do it. I am one of those people who has yet to dive into creating stems, but can use that ability. From what I can see they all have their pluses and minuses. Since I've long been on Cubase I ran into the issue of using Spectralayers. Right now using the included reduced feature version with a mind to determine if their full version is going to potentially be worth it.
I was watching on Bing, but your intro wa SO dope that I had to come in just to comment this!
I appreciate that! glad it was what you needed too. I'm also amazed people use bing 😆 in order of discovery on analytics is Google, Yandex 🤷♂️ , duck duck go.
So, I had some driving thoughts today and rushed to the comments: This is all really scary tech when you think about it...someone could take another someone's beat with their producer tag in it and separate vocals to effectively remove it pretty well...and avoid paying for the beat. Not condoning this, but its a very real possibility.
people have been taking beats and looping out tags for an eternity. it was a problem back 2007 when soundclick was the g oto platform.
@@Unders I guess that's totally fair. The darkside of it all.
@AndrewPlaster the reality is, people are always going to try and steal shit in a digital world. There’s ways to protect for it. But nothing is fool proof, yet.
I’d be curious what you think of the new NI Machine 3.0 software’s stem separation abilities that just dropped a few days ago?
ive had no interest in it honestly. So not checked it out.
hoping they will add this to ableton 12... anybody got news on that?
they HAVE to! FL studio already got it. With all the AI push ableton is doing in 12, I thought this would come at launch
@@Violant3 exactly but this is taking to long ..
I tried LALAL....AI a few minutes ago and I like what it did with a WAV file from and old Church CD my church made. I am going to pay the $18 for 90 minutes of processing because it is only one CD I need to process and I am not overly concerned with processing speed as long as it completes the conversions in a few hours or less (it shouldn't be a problem).
Happy you found the right solution
Yeah, these all sound pretty equally the same. I don’t think you’ll ever get rid of artifacts. I mean, I guess it can be helpful for practicing you know if you want to remove vocals and sing over at track or try to remove the guitars stuff like that or learn apart maybe might be helpful. Use some EQ to clean it up a little bit.
so the tech u demonstrated in this video is pretty awesome! hope one day someone builds a vst plugin that can do this in any daw, that is affordable, or free? one can only hope. XD
@@dropdedgothish Serato have done that since this video 👍
…or Melodyne, which I believe were the 1st ones to crack the code on this technology?
Melodyne does a different thing in that it controls pitch rather than tries to actually separate.
Yes! The options are incredible now! Pro Logic for vocals and iZotope RX for the bass! THank you!
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how about spectaralayers?
Not one i have access too.
Lalal is up there but nothing is as fast and high quality as Logic now imo. This is after I did a few gain matched tests with Serato mpc logic rx and Lalal, RX came out the worst
Interesting. I find RX can be the best especially from getting transients back like drums. But does require you to test settings. What version are you on I’ve no plans to spending on RX11 yet.
It only does 4 stems though doesnt go deeper
LALA used to be great a year or so ago. Dont know what they did to it but now its not as good.
@@theandroids a friend of mine who runs a podcasting studio business said the same thing specifically for vocal isolations.
@@Unders Yup. RX actually does a better job now in some cases, when before you would get almost crystal clear results lala. That's what happens when you fiddle too much with the algorithm and claim its an improvement. Maybe, but then you've ruined a previous area.
What about MPC Stems
I dont use MPC software or the modern MPC's an wanted to keep this as accessible as possible for everyone. Serato sample was another one i considered but 4 to compare was enough.
@@Understhanks bruv!!🎉
the mpc stems are the best so far. facts
Nice vid mate Rip X is another that i own so wouldn't be interested if that got compared too.
Actually forgot about RipX was super clunky when I use it. But did a good job.
@@Unders nice one 😎
@@MrDisrupta you can pull midi chord from sample with RIPX right?
@@Unders yeah it's quite powerful. You can change the pitch of single notes in a loop. Stuff like that
@@MrDisrupta yeeees yes I was impressed. I think I just didn’t want to spend the money on after trialing. I saw they’re making an Apple vision version and that could really be a great way to create.
Is this available in trial version of fl studio 21
🤷♂️ Download it and try it, I’ve not had the trial version for 15+ years.
@@Unders Ok, thank you. I'm a student who is passionate about music production
FL studio was the best, plus you buy it once and get free updates for life. Not like Logic Pro, which crippled the software for Intel users
After more than a decade of free updates. But sure 👌
Ultimate vocal remover, thank me later ;)
I missed this comment 🤷♂️ is UVR5 what i should be testing?
I have all these you used and tried the rest of them. NONE of them are free of aliasing, which is especially bad in drums specifically cymbal crashes and bass guitar. They all still leave A LOT to be desired. I firmly disagree with you that any of this is truly usable. Do a track like Pat Travers live record with Tommy Aldrich on drums. Or any hard hitting drummer. This tech has not arrived for professional use. Not even for added tracks in a live show. Sorry about the negative sound of my reply, but I sugarcoat nothing when it comes to audio.
You’re welcome to your opinion, thanks for sharing it. Fact is these things are being used all the time for professional uses already.
They just haven’t reached YOUR personal goals. Yet.
@@Unders I certainly don't know how from my experience. I've never heard a thing from natural instruments I'd put on a recording or use live. My ear don't have enough forgiveness to accept, 'it'll be ok in a mix'. And I have messed with all these software products til I'm blue. Please do me a favor and show me what you can do with something off the aforementioned PT 'Go For What You Know' record. I'm hoping you can show me something better than I've accomplished. Thanks much for your time and doing these reviews!
I think it will be some time for it to be as good as what you would get from a multi-track tape. I think the artifacts are from the removal of frequencies and its going to need AI to generate new frequencies to make up for the missing ones. So far the AI music generators sound like crap too.
Just get tracklib bro if youre that nitpicky they offer stems from the masters
@@asadshoro2088 It's phase correct or it's not. No cymbal crashes are phasing free. You point me to Pat Travers tracklib (there is none) and I'll get it.
If something truly works I laud it. Why people here gotta be touchy when someone says it doesn't?
MPC stems are the best i have heard so far and I tried all of them. Facts
Put it out there, not somthing most have access too directly just yet.
@@Unders that's why they delayed the release of mpc stems. they made it better 😉
you have to own an MPC to understand what I'm talking about. Facts I can't wait for the standalone ver. to come out
@@Unders logic pro x 11 is next then serato sample so far I heard my self
Serato Sampler does a great job too.
Too bad you didn't review the real killer app, Moises.
Just get to the point. I need to make my own reviews smdh
Would be great if you brought something of use, rather than just you know bitching.
How about people demo this kind of software with real instruments? Samples are crap.We need to hear REAL music, played with intensity REAL musicians play with.
How about you climb off your high horse and do it?