Joined the army at 16 and went to fort lost in the woods in 83, didn’t even know what a sapper was. Got assigned as a sapper to the 81st infantry division, part of the engineer regiment. 718th combat engineer/eod/sapper company. Spent two yrs in as a sapper and they wouldn’t let me reenlist, so I was out and a veteran at 18. Called the different branches, no one else wanted me. Called the coast guard, and spent 8 yrs as a chef in the coast guard. Volunteered for quick deployment units and I went to the navy dive school. So, I can honestly say, I was an underwater sapper that could cook. I think I’ll invent my whole special unit. Coast guard, under water, special deployment, cook squad. When ppl are hungry, nothing can stop us from getting there and save the world from hunger. I’ll vote for that.
SF tab is a unit, not a school, Ranger tab is a school not a unit. To be an ACTUAL Ranger that is a special operation unit, you have to pass RASP and then get assigned to the 75th Ranger regiment, that’s part of USSOCOM, and falls under JSOC when deployed. Ranger school is nothing more than a leadership school that ANYONE in the military can attend. It doesn’t make you a Ranger. 75th Ranger regiment, Special forces, and 160ty SOAR are all Tier 2 special operations units in the army. Equivalent to SEAL teams and MARSOC.
Yes and no. You still have to go to q course before making it to that unit and it takes anywhere from 12-18 months where RASP is 8 weeks and I think Green Platoon is even shorter. You also get to keep it if you move on to any other unit. So unlike the airborne tab it is separate from your unit. You could also be a part of Special Forces and not have a tab if you are in a support unit. You could also be a part of SOF-D, Delta force, or whatever they are calling themselves today and be an operator and not have a Special Forces tab. Special forces tab is a pretty unique.
@@NunyaBesnas regardless, one gets you into a unit, the other does not. If you have a long tab you’ve served in an ODA at some point, having a Ranger tab doesn’t make you part of the ACTUAL Ranger unit that is the 75th. Group support is not SF and obviously doesn’t have the tab, I was part of the 75th and worked extensively with SF
Fun fact. All Sapper School Instructors have to be BOTH Sapper AND Ranger qualified. So….not too sure which is “ harder” but Sapper school is accelerated and more specialized so maybe would push more towards “harder” in the need more intelligence factor. Only 11 of the original 50 in my class actually completed.
First off Ranger school doesn’t make you a Ranger, RASP does, Second off 75th rangers have more master breachers than any other unit in the military, and we handle explosives and build demo basically monthly if not more. Your average team leader Ranger would be better at building a door or wall charge than any big army engineer
@@ViktoriousDead - Actually, you are incorrect. If you are a Ranger School graduate, you are indeed a Ranger. It is a title that you earned successfully graduating the course. Now, going through RASP means that you become a Ranger in the 75th Ranger Regiment, which is a SOF unit. If you ask a Ranger School graduate if they "served in the Rangers?", they should say "No." and that should settle it. However, if the question becomes "Are you a Ranger?" their response should be "Yes, but I did not serve in the Ranger Regiment." It is all about semantics and being aware that there are two ways to be considered a Ranger. The Ranger Creed doesn't have a section for school graduates to separate them from the regiment troops. Everyone gets called "Ranger" at the course, not "student". Folks get sensitive over the title and it is simply weird to me. If it is a problem, rename the course and tab.
@@ViktoriousDead - No. It only means that you were a Ranger in the 75th Ranger Regiment and that's about it. Kind of weird seeing some of you Ranger Regiment vets get sensitive about it. You should take pride in your service as a Ranger in the regiment and not feel the need to stick your chest out and expect a Ranger school graduate to back down and walk around calling himself or herself a "Ranger School Graduate" or say they aren't a Ranger, if someone inquires about their tab or service. Last I checked, earning that tab means that you still have to set the example of being a Ranger and living up to those expectations, whether you are in the 75th or a freakin' national guard infantry unit. You are entitled to have your opinion, but it shouldn't matter to someone who has earned that tab. If they aren't claiming to have been in the 75th Ranger Regiment, you shouldn't give a damn.....Ranger.
But remember this ladies and gentlemen: tabs of any sort dont pull PMCS, the tab doesn't qualify on your assigned weapon, a tab doesnt do range cards or stand inspections, dont write OPORDs, call for fire, feed and fuel you, fill out leave forms or write letters to family members. Soldiers do that.
Which school is harder is irrelevant. Both are challenging schools that require preparation because you can fail both for a variety of reasons. In the end, they are schools and you return to your unit doing the same job as your peers (who could very well do the job better than you without a Ranger or Sapper tab).
Semper Fi! Serious question. Do Marines get to go to Ranger school? We used to say in cadence "I wanna be a Recon Ranger...". I was never in Recon nor met any Recon guys [to ask them], but it was something I always wondered about. Thanks!
When watching this video, one should note that this is an officer talking about which school is harder. And he's ONLY tabbed as a Ranger. Maybe he failed Sapper school because it was too hard? 🤷🏾♂️ No se. Pero he is definitely biased. But it's cool. Haters are gonna hate. Its what they do. Sappers lead the way.
Former RI. But first Ranger School. Try 4 phases. Benning, Mtns. Jungle. Desert. Passed but destroyed mentally and physically weighing 136lbs from 155lbs fighting weight, As RI company 200+ students, thin out the weak. Prior to 5mile run, flutter kicks, leg exercises, run fallout get in the truck. 50+ drops. Some get hurt 5 drops. 3 heat casualties. Getting thin but still to big company. Water confidence test 7 failed, were there, others will fail along the way. Patrols. Sitrep to incoming RI, squad lost, no purpose, lack of motivation, the blind leading the blind, lost equipment. 3 no gos. Everybody feeling sorry for themselves. Damn it, i knew this group was shit. Later bud. See ya in two days. RLTW.
How bout jungle. Im 43 not even in the army any more and wanna go to jungle cause my father was stationed at fort clayton panama and always talked about it
U.S. Marine retired 27 years. Ranger School graduate 6-88. Marine Drill Instructor Parris Island. Ranger School was challenging no doubt, but USMC DI school was pretty brutal.
Semper Fi! You just answered my question. I wanted to know if Marines ever got to go to Ranger School since we would say in cadence "I wanna be a Recon Ranger..." I was never in Recon nor met any Recon guys [to ask them], but it was something I always wondered about. Thanks! Did you get a tab and were you allowed to wear it on the USMC uniform?
As far as I've seen, A Marine can go to Ranger school with both units permission but it doesn't give them anything but skills and a Certificate. Unlike Airborne School and Diving School which would allow badges.
China now knows anyone can attend sapper school. It's so fucking over. It's never been more over than it is now. Might as well boot up duolingo and start learning mandarin right now bucko.
Standards lowered 100% they are allowed to recycle Ranger school as many times as they need until they pass while if males failed they get kicked tf out
@@Ciupma05 not entirely true? Not sure when you went to ranger school but a few buds of mine got recycled multiple times, as long as you didn't exceed over one recycle (I can't remember 1 or 2 before you are a board case). I am not sure about females being able to recycle infinitely I haven't read up on that, but failing one phase definitely does not kick you out immediately in most cases. I believe it's close to 40% of ranger candidates that recycle at least once.
Same physical standards and check points crammed into two weeks; there was no 3 mile only 5 and a 6. Harder 12 mile. More STUDYING lmao. Also cadets could probably pass ranger school too if it didn’t fuck with the school year 💀 some are more in shape and smarter than a few officers, coming from an officer
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Joined the army at 16 and went to fort lost in the woods in 83, didn’t even know what a sapper was. Got assigned as a sapper to the 81st infantry division, part of the engineer regiment. 718th combat engineer/eod/sapper company. Spent two yrs in as a sapper and they wouldn’t let me reenlist, so I was out and a veteran at 18. Called the different branches, no one else wanted me. Called the coast guard, and spent 8 yrs as a chef in the coast guard. Volunteered for quick deployment units and I went to the navy dive school.
So, I can honestly say, I was an underwater sapper that could cook. I think I’ll invent my whole special unit. Coast guard, under water, special deployment, cook squad. When ppl are hungry, nothing can stop us from getting there and save the world from hunger.
I’ll vote for that.
I thought sapper school was only for engineers
It used to be but now they opened it up to spec ops to learn demo
Was. In recent years it's been opened to every MOS like Ranger is, although I think engineers still get priority for slots.
@@travelingspartan2035 yes combat engineers infantry men and sof units get priority over everyone else
Can we talk about a gigantic leap forward in warfare by graduating the world's first Space Ranger?
Trump created space force remember?🤣😂🫡
sapper you have to be smart , ranger you have to be dense
Sir, you make so much more money than us enlisted. Get your tapes sewn on
It keeps me humble!
SF tab is a unit, not a school, Ranger tab is a school not a unit. To be an ACTUAL Ranger that is a special operation unit, you have to pass RASP and then get assigned to the 75th Ranger regiment, that’s part of USSOCOM, and falls under JSOC when deployed.
Ranger school is nothing more than a leadership school that ANYONE in the military can attend. It doesn’t make you a Ranger.
75th Ranger regiment, Special forces, and 160ty SOAR are all Tier 2 special operations units in the army. Equivalent to SEAL teams and MARSOC.
Yes and no. You still have to go to q course before making it to that unit and it takes anywhere from 12-18 months where RASP is 8 weeks and I think Green Platoon is even shorter. You also get to keep it if you move on to any other unit. So unlike the airborne tab it is separate from your unit. You could also be a part of Special Forces and not have a tab if you are in a support unit. You could also be a part of SOF-D, Delta force, or whatever they are calling themselves today and be an operator and not have a Special Forces tab. Special forces tab is a pretty unique.
@@NunyaBesnas regardless, one gets you into a unit, the other does not. If you have a long tab you’ve served in an ODA at some point, having a Ranger tab doesn’t make you part of the ACTUAL Ranger unit that is the 75th. Group support is not SF and obviously doesn’t have the tab,
I was part of the 75th and worked extensively with SF
@@ViktoriousDeadyes, therein lies the difference between the scroll and the tab, people get confused.
I'm a ranger, a Forrest ranger, a real ranger.
More than likely, by “school” he was referring to the Q-Course
Fun fact. All Sapper School Instructors have to be BOTH Sapper AND Ranger qualified. So….not too sure which is “ harder” but Sapper school is accelerated and more specialized so maybe would push more towards “harder” in the need more intelligence factor. Only 11 of the original 50 in my class actually completed.
I attended Sapper School when it was only for Engineers... and before there was a tab back in the late 80's
Then there's the most elite of all, the Lone Ranger tab. Only one dude's ever done it.
Wow! An officer with a sense of humor. Who knew?
Funny and I did enjoy it. Too bad Rangers don't get to play with explosives like Combat Engineers and Sappers do. But man, Rangers do talk good.
First off Ranger school doesn’t make you a Ranger, RASP does,
Second off 75th rangers have more master breachers than any other unit in the military, and we handle explosives and build demo basically monthly if not more. Your average team leader Ranger would be better at building a door or wall charge than any big army engineer
☝🏼see this kids?☝🏼 that’s what we call facts.
@@ViktoriousDead - Actually, you are incorrect. If you are a Ranger School graduate, you are indeed a Ranger. It is a title that you earned successfully graduating the course. Now, going through RASP means that you become a Ranger in the 75th Ranger Regiment, which is a SOF unit. If you ask a Ranger School graduate if they "served in the Rangers?", they should say "No." and that should settle it.
However, if the question becomes "Are you a Ranger?" their response should be "Yes, but I did not serve in the Ranger Regiment." It is all about semantics and being aware that there are two ways to be considered a Ranger. The Ranger Creed doesn't have a section for school graduates to separate them from the regiment troops. Everyone gets called "Ranger" at the course, not "student". Folks get sensitive over the title and it is simply weird to me. If it is a problem, rename the course and tab.
@@parawill7074 I’ve graduated from both RASP and Ranger school, Ranger tab doesn’t make you a Ranger, end of story
@@ViktoriousDead - No. It only means that you were a Ranger in the 75th Ranger Regiment and that's about it. Kind of weird seeing some of you Ranger Regiment vets get sensitive about it. You should take pride in your service as a Ranger in the regiment and not feel the need to stick your chest out and expect a Ranger school graduate to back down and walk around calling himself or herself a "Ranger School Graduate" or say they aren't a Ranger, if someone inquires about their tab or service.
Last I checked, earning that tab means that you still have to set the example of being a Ranger and living up to those expectations, whether you are in the 75th or a freakin' national guard infantry unit. You are entitled to have your opinion, but it shouldn't matter to someone who has earned that tab. If they aren't claiming to have been in the 75th Ranger Regiment, you shouldn't give a damn.....Ranger.
But remember this ladies and gentlemen: tabs of any sort dont pull PMCS, the tab doesn't qualify on your assigned weapon, a tab doesnt do range cards or stand inspections, dont write OPORDs, call for fire, feed and fuel you, fill out leave forms or write letters to family members. Soldiers do that.
Oh my god that was fantastic. Thanks for the support have been feeling shitty lately.
Clearly this guy knows.
Everyone needs a tab, everyone needs a beret, everyone needs feel special.
Standards just need to be lowered
Which school is harder is irrelevant. Both are challenging schools that require preparation because you can fail both for a variety of reasons. In the end, they are schools and you return to your unit doing the same job as your peers (who could very well do the job better than you without a Ranger or Sapper tab).
Anyone can go to Sapper school now? When I was in only 12 series could go.
I thought engineers were the only ones who were able to attend sapper school?
"Not bias" woe.
Getting a real job is going to be the hardest thing for you
Semper Fi!
Serious question. Do Marines get to go to Ranger school? We used to say in cadence "I wanna be a Recon Ranger...". I was never in Recon nor met any Recon guys [to ask them], but it was something I always wondered about. Thanks!
When watching this video, one should note that this is an officer talking about which school is harder. And he's ONLY tabbed as a Ranger. Maybe he failed Sapper school because it was too hard? 🤷🏾♂️ No se. Pero he is definitely biased. But it's cool. Haters are gonna hate. Its what they do. Sappers lead the way.
That’s fun as fuck
Three points from EOD.
Former RI. But first Ranger School. Try 4 phases. Benning, Mtns. Jungle. Desert. Passed but destroyed mentally and physically weighing 136lbs from 155lbs fighting weight, As RI company 200+ students, thin out the weak. Prior to 5mile run, flutter kicks, leg exercises, run fallout get in the truck. 50+ drops. Some get hurt 5 drops. 3 heat casualties. Getting thin but still to big company. Water confidence test 7 failed, were there, others will fail along the way. Patrols. Sitrep to incoming RI, squad lost, no purpose, lack of motivation, the blind leading the blind, lost equipment. 3 no gos. Everybody feeling sorry for themselves. Damn it, i knew this group was shit. Later bud. See ya in two days. RLTW.
In OEF 2010-2011 RC South Kandahar RC East Ghazni Afghanistan it was The Sappers that lead the way all JSOC was behind The Sappers ⚔️🇺🇸⚔️
How bout jungle. Im 43 not even in the army any more and wanna go to jungle cause my father was stationed at fort clayton panama and always talked about it
Thought Sappers were just specialist.
U.S. Marine retired 27 years. Ranger School graduate 6-88. Marine Drill Instructor Parris Island. Ranger School was challenging no doubt, but USMC DI school was pretty brutal.
Semper Fi! You just answered my question. I wanted to know if Marines ever got to go to Ranger School since we would say in cadence "I wanna be a Recon Ranger..." I was never in Recon nor met any Recon guys [to ask them], but it was something I always wondered about. Thanks!
Did you get a tab and were you allowed to wear it on the USMC uniform?
Should we send Cadets to Ranger School again?
Rangers Lead the MF Way!
SEALs🤷🏻♂️
A marine can go ranger school ? If so is he authorized to wear the TAB on his marine uniform ?
As far as I've seen, A Marine can go to Ranger school with both units permission but it doesn't give them anything but skills and a Certificate. Unlike Airborne School and Diving School which would allow badges.
A “tab” on a Marine uniform??? That’s a big NEGATIVE.
I've heard Marines either sew it under the flap of one of their chest pockets or carry it in their wallets.
Posting this on TIK TOK to give our chineese friends direct access to aggregated information should be a war crime at this point....
I can find this information on wikipedia and also the Army’s official website.
Yes. That’s where I found all the info as well to prep for this video….
I think the Chinese are smart enough to just google Things. If you want classified military Files- War Thunder Forum.
China now knows anyone can attend sapper school. It's so fucking over. It's never been more over than it is now. Might as well boot up duolingo and start learning mandarin right now bucko.
Women Army Rangers. Are standards being lowered. Or are they as tough as men?
Standards lowered 100% they are allowed to recycle Ranger school as many times as they need until they pass while if males failed they get kicked tf out
@@Ciupma05 not entirely true? Not sure when you went to ranger school but a few buds of mine got recycled multiple times, as long as you didn't exceed over one recycle (I can't remember 1 or 2 before you are a board case). I am not sure about females being able to recycle infinitely I haven't read up on that, but failing one phase definitely does not kick you out immediately in most cases. I believe it's close to 40% of ranger candidates that recycle at least once.
Same physical standards and check points crammed into two weeks; there was no 3 mile only 5 and a 6. Harder 12 mile. More STUDYING lmao. Also cadets could probably pass ranger school too if it didn’t fuck with the school year 💀 some are more in shape and smarter than a few officers, coming from an officer
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All the Hate …
Get of the internet sir and stop giving military info.
Woe. False
N is for Ranger huh? You know that's not how English works right?
It was obviously a joke, ya ding dong.
That's how english works in the rangers 🗿
I did my training at ft benning Georgia and deployed to kanahare. Got my CIB.
Which group are best at selling lawn mowers at Sears after they get out?
Sappers are low skilled worker bee engineers. Rangers are the world's best Infantry. Sapper tab is a joke.
Did someone lose their girl to a Sapper Daddy?