Squarer crop without the edge. It really emphasizes the geometry of the scene, with the triangle and its reflection forming a kite (nearly a cyclic one) centered in the square.
Prefer the vertically less symmetrical crop. It's more unique to my eyes and better proportioned over all. I do think the mountain reflection in the water needs some editing because right now it doesn't match with the actual mountain in light display. Feels off because of that, at least to me. But beautiful image in any case. Very nice!
I've been watching Lightroom and photo editing videos for years, but no one has taught me so much meaningful information in one video as you. Thank you!
I like the one with the mud in the bottom. It makes composition more interesting and a bigger story to tell than just a cute mountain with symmetrical reflection in the water.
As always Mark - excellent tutorial. I especially like the work flow which has changed a bit from earlier videos, but this flows and works well. Thanks.
For many years I used to take my pictures with Sony cameras. And it was ok. Now for 6 weeks I have a Fuji x-h2. And to me it seems as if the Fuji works completely different with colors. The same when I watch your videos and you show the RAW. The colors have much more depth and dynamic. For me it is great to see how you work out the details and make a good picture to a better one. Thank you for that.
The photo with the edge of the pond in view looks more complete to me. The cropped one makes the photo look truncated. Appreciate the tutorial on how you brought out the hidden features that had 'fallen into shadow' in the RAW file.
I like the crop that's more like a 2 1/4 format. I think it emphasizes the light and mountain better and makes the overall image more impactful. Nice work.
Greetings Mark. The one with no shoreline by a long shot. This was a welcomed video, as I am starting to have memory loss. Your check sheet is now on the wall next to my monitors. Thanks Muchly
I prefer the no edge square crop. Thanks for the super helpful tutorial showing your workflow. Really helps me focus instead of being overwhelmed with the 8 million different controls in my raw processing software!
Outstanding to-the-point article on converting RAW images!! Thanks much Mark! As far as the images with/without the shoreline, I prefer the one withOUT the shoreline, no distractions in that image. My eyes tend to gravitate down to the shoreline eventually....... Your work is amazing!
Hi Mark, Thanks for very good and informative videos 👍🏼 I would love to see your process when it comes to saving and categorising photos, the stages before you start to edit the photos. I have searched your videos but can’t find that you have done a video regarding that topic earlier. Keep up the good work 👍🏼 Best regards from Sweden 🇸🇪
I choose the cropped photo - or, the one that's 'closer to square'. The mountain and its reflection lend itself to the square, I think. I've learned a lot right here... my LRC learning curve has been pretty steep, and you've been helping me quite a bit, Mark. Thanks!
I like the version on the left. I’m going off just my fist feelings as I first seeing the without a lot of thought in it. Sometimes when I go with that feeling, it seem to guide me the best. If I stop and start analyzing, I make choices maybe I shouldn’t have. Thanks for all your helping videos❣️
im just getting back into photography after nearly 3yrs away due to work..just updated my camera(to a D850) and was looking to update my imac also, as my late 2014 isnt up to what i need.and BANG!!, i came across your video..not only have you Got the set-up im looking to purchase,but your tutorial is amazing!!, precise and informative, i was worrying what the new lightroom software could now do, but you've answered all my questions, im saving this video to help me through the new start-up..instantly subbed!!..many thanks
Great walk through of your editing process, thank you Mark for sharing. Of the two photos, I prefer the one without the shoreline as it highlights to me, the mountain and its reflection.
Thanks for this video. I love seeing how you take a 'meh' image to something outstanding. I'm quite new to your channel, and I find that in these types of videos, you go very quickly through the enhancements of texture/dehaze/etc., and it seems like you're toning these down. I'm old-school where we always wanted everything as sharp as possible. I understand that you are using these adjustments to draw the eye but I'm wondering if you can do a video where you go through these adjustments more slowly, showing before and after, or if you have already done such a video, if you can point me to it. Thanks for so much great free content!
Enjoyed watching this video. I think that the final image with a shore is much more compelling. It just balances the image well and also gives it a bit more character. It also gives me a sense of standing on the shore and observing the scene which draws me further into the image. The other image is also great, but if I had to choose one, it would be the image with the shore. Thanks for sharing
Of the two shots you asked for feedback on, with or without the shoreline, I like the "with". There's a bit too much empty space in the front of the "without" version. The shoreline leads the eye a bit more, I think. Very informative. My camera was down for a while, I didn't keep up with the skills. This is a great refresher, I learn something every time I watch your videos. Thanks😁
First off, I prefer the photo with the shoreline. I just think the other looks a bit too squashed top to bottom. I think including the shoreline gives good leading lines & just a gentler entrance into the photo for the viewer. I do want to thank you for this video, and especially for the pdf download, Mark! I often have difficulty remembering things, so having a "cheat sheet" to refer to will make it much easier than trying to reference or remember details from a video. At least until I can go through it enough times to internalize things. Thank you for your weekly videos. Hope you have an awesome day!
I like the one with the shoreline. Been using Solo mode for years. Something you did mention that was new to me, and you only mentioned it in passing, was that you can hold down Shift and double-click a slider item (in this case it was Whites) to Auto set Whites. I knew you could double-click to reset a slider to its default setting, but the Shift-Double-click for Auto is something I never knew about. Thank you! I sometimes use the overall Auto button to set a baseline to work from, but lately, the results of Auto have been horrendous. Can't remember if it started after the last LR update or not. Anyway, I always learn something from your videos. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for explaining why you edit the way you do. I like the the image with the shore as it leads into the mountain as the subject. With the more cropped version, the reflection of the mountain seems to be crushed against the lower edge and my eye keeps wandering around the image. Although it is interesting in that it is symmetrical, and that is always a pleasing composition.
Always something to learn. I was completely unaware of the Solo Mode! As for the preferred version, it is very dependent how you are viewing it. The more cropped version looks better on a small device (phone, social media, etc), but the more complete version for gallery print...IMHO.
Mark, my preference is the one on the left without the shoreline, Awesome video as always very enjoyable to watch your way of portraying the method of editing. Thank you
I always learn something(s) from your videos... THANKS! Question: What version of LR are you using? I have a Adobe CC sub that's regularly updated on a Windows 10 PC. The interface is missing some of the elements you have, e.g. "Develop, Library, etc" on the top bar is missing, I can't find a right-click "Solo" feature, nor can I find a way to re-order the workflow sections.
Mark, thanks for the pretty practical guidelines! My vote is for the crop w/o shoreline. One more cent to croping is a mount itself. I was really hipnotized when you show this crop of mount only. Looks like there is a group of people going up hill also. I would consider such option.
As always a great video Mark. I prefer the cropped version, it’s more cleaner and also makes the mountain and reflection the main focus of the image. The uncropped version for me makes the mountain and the reflection kinda fighting with the water and the shore, there’s an extra element that the cropped version takes away.
I like the one on the left no mud and I like the wider view, I like your story and how you documented the start of your Full time photography experience I'm currently watching that watchlist you made and congrats on your success.
this was a very useful way to spend an hour, going back and forth between the video and the RAW file, thank you. Time to go out and find some new locations to shoot and create something of my own to play around with...
What a great video! Best step-by-step photo editing video I have seen. Very useful to me because I am just getting started in Lightroom. Thanks! I prefer the uncropped version of the image because I think the cropped version lacks any foreground interest
I prefer the cropped without shoreline. Especially considering your sky edits better match the reflection, I think the cropped version really brings that forward. Nice video.
Mark, you look and sound like you are feeling better and have found a healthy balance. Cheers as always for a really clear and concise little tutorial. I'm in the vertical crop WITH edge camp. Both are fine edits, but I find often it's almost a default as a photographer to want to have everything balance and be as perfectly symmetrical as possible, especially photographs of this type. Personally, I tend to start in camera with my composition often leaning towards the quirkier and sometimes off-balance side, but never being entirely dis-harmonious. The symmetrical square crop screams Sierra Club and glossy photo mag perfection, but so does the other one, and I am quite partial to a bit more foreground and that little bit of messy shoreline just barely making itself seen in the deeper shadow there. If these were my photos? Well, I'd sell the "you know what" out of little gemlike square ones to the masses, but I'd mat and frame the taller one as an 11x14 to hang at home.
Thank you mark, appreciate the time and effort to show us the way. Think I like the more cropped squarer version. You made the upper middle look so nice that the lower sandy area was not really doing much. So the concentration is really pulling you towards the mountains focal area 😊
Mark: Thanks for sharing your editing process. Addressing the “big picture” edits first seems to save a lot of detail editing. Also I definitely prefer the cropped image. The clouds in the sky and the reflection give a nice balanced lead into the image. The muddy shoreline doesn’t really add to the image!
Great video! the one thing i might change is make the subtle changes in the reflection that you did in the actual moutain to carry through the realism of the adjustments.
Great video! I like the version with the shoreline, probably because it feels like you’re further away from the mountain. I think it feels a little more stark that way.
Solo mode is great but what I learned just recently makes it even more interesting ! If you want to temporarily open a second (or more) panel, you can do it by typing + on the panel you want. I love it !
You definitely added a couple of things to my toolkit. I found it interesting though that your process is almost identical to the process I use on my landscape images - then I realized I learned most of my process from you! As always, thanks for a great video!
I'm torn. I think both are amazing photos. Every time I see your videos I'm blown away at the transformation! You take such great shots. You probably don't have the time to go back to previous shoots, but do you ever re-tweak an old photo? When I see what you do, it makes me want to revisit my shots.
Mark knocks things out of the park yet again! 👍 I prefer the shoreline version; draws the eye slightly down to the bottom of the shot and then an easy and natural "rebound / richochet" into the main subjects... If you're going outside of Lr for DeNoise and/or Sharpening AI stuff (Topaz, Luminar, etc.), do you deal with those adjustments FIRST or last? I can see an argument for either way and to me it makes sense to do them as a last step once you have PP'd the RAW file to where you want it...thoughts?
Hi Mark, thanks for your demon on your step by step raw processing. I rather like the near square image as for me it draws the attention to the mountain region.
Reading through the comments it's interesting to see the different opinions on the two crops. I prefer the square crop since it's cleaner and more balanced and I find the shoreline distracting. I was also wondering if the reflection should get some attention as well since it looks flat in post editing? Or would that distract from the mountain as the main subject? Great video, thank you so much for sharing!
This is most excellent showing that capturing in raw that there is more work to be done. Like back in the Film days you had to do some work in the darkroom. Also there are settings that only affect jpegs find what they are and shoot in both then compare in post. I find doing a image in auto of the same way to look at your raw image. I have learned your new things that I also wish I knew first, but a note software did not have all the wizbang options years ago. When on days the lighting or weather are not good for going out to play I will go back to the old raw images. Do you remember when Lr gave the ability to remove sensor dust from an image? When you do sunrise/sunsets do you bracketing 5 at +/- 2EV and run through a HDR editing, doing in the blue hour is a big help also? You pay for all these options or tools with the camera cost! Just the play helps to you see what can be done with an image.
Hi Mark. First time commenting. Love your work and how you communicate about it. I have one minor suggestion. When adding some warmth and light to the mountain, do not forget to add a little to the reflection as well. It will make it come alive and add some form to that section as well. Almost forgot.... I like them both. I lean a little towards the taller one with the shoreline.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto Exactly. That is why I said a "little." I have tried two methods that seem to work. If using the same initial brush settings on the reflection, I then reduce it (-) by a certain amount. The other is to just do another separate layer at its own reduced density level. It adds a minor amount of time but the results will be appreciated after. By the way... thanks for following your creative passion.
That is what I love about your videos Mark. While I have been using Lightroom for years, I always find some Lightroom feature I never knew existed. Solo Mode is one of them. I just love it. Great video. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your method in developing a photo. I downloaded the steps and the color course. I prefer the photo without the bottom shoreline. They both are great and again, thanks for sharing
As someone new to Lightroom your video was really helpful and informative. Thanks for sharing your process! This will be a great starting off point as I develop my own process. Thanks again!!
Μark, thanks for another great video! It is thought in general that a Square version of an image is more balanced but my gut reaction to this was the longer right version, because of the shape of the mountain and its reflection. Plus, the round shape of the pool reflection gives a better feeling.
Terrific video Mark. Appreciated the solo mode tip as I only have a small screen. Liked the crop version as It complemented composition of mountain and reflection
Thank you for those tips ! I often struggle with high dynamic range pictures and sometimes even quit as I feel like I don't know what I am doing after 30 minutes trying to edit a single image. I will definetly watch this video again while editing.
Nice video and appreciate the shortcut tips! I also love solo mode. Cropped vs uncropped: Both are nice but, I think that the cropped image is stronger. The shore is mud and not at the same visual standard as the magnificent landscape behind it. I feel that the shore dilutes the quality and the simpler, cropped image puts more focus on the most stunning part of the image.
Hello Mark, I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for walking through your editing process as I once again learned so much. Great delivery of all your information & step-by- step instructions. Personally, I like the finished image with the shoreline in the foreground. To me it adds more depth to the overall scene. However, I find the second image without the shoreline draws more impact to the mountain areas. Either way, they are both "wall hangers" & enjoyable to view. Thanks for another wonderful video. Tom
Hi Mark- as to the two different approaches in crop- I like the closer crop (without the foreground shore) - it has a very Galen Rowell feel to it (and I say that as a compliment). I think you have already been dinged on the “what you do to the actual subject, you need to transfer to the reflection” in some form- and I find that process one of the most tricky (and often overdone) edits to preform. Perhaps a video on editing mirror images and the tricky nuances that can be found there would be good. Love the image and your videos are always a learning experience!!
Thanks for that! Nice, clear directions. I’m curious about the reasons behind some aspects - in particular I wonder if you could tell me the purpose for upping the primary blue so much in the calibration and then lowering it in the HSL?? Would love to understand the advantage of this over just upping it slightly in Calibration &/or HSL… thanks in advance!
Edge. I like having a little foreground in most landscapes. Excellent video. You have become my Lightroom and general photography guru, PARTICULARLY composition. Thank you.
Hi Mark ,, Really good video. Always good to see how others use Lightroom .. I prefer the photo with the shoreline in it as it adds just a little bit of foreground interest allowing the eye to move through the photo better.
Great video! Would be interested in seeing how you are adding the white borders in the final images. I've used the crop tool in photoshop for this and "canvas size" but it's never quite right
Wow, thanks a lot for this video! Went through the whole video while editing the picture at the same time, super helpful to learn what button or slider does what! I like the picture without the shoreline better. To me it draws more attention to the ruggedness of the mountain.
I would go with the edge, but the other is good as well. Thanks for the download, it really helps when one is just starting out with editing. Love your channel.
Always enjoy your videos Mark, but in particular I enjoy your post processing tutorials. I always learn something new from them, and its great to get your perspective and thoughts behind your editing decisions. I really like the version with the pool in the front, it adds more character to the image.
I prefer the image with the edge showing. It can be tempting to make a subject larger in the frame, which is possibly how we naturally see a scene. In my opinion, including more of the scene surrounding the subject will add context and interest to the subject. Thanks for your excellent video.
I go for option "Right", given the more dramatic scene and the more natural details in it. Sell worthy, and no kidding. There's a gallery here in downtown Zürich, Switzerland selling these for the price of a lovely wide-angle lens. And BTW, super informative video with new tips & tricks, I immediately will implement in my workflow.
Mark, love the editing tips. I'm having dinner & watching on my tablet & missed the download link for the free guide/pdf w/your ediying tips. How to get them? Please advise…
Another excellent video Mark! Thank you 👍😲 A crop question for you... You seem to crop your image for the best composition. How does this affect print size if this was a image that people could purchase?
My opinion is the one without the shoreline is a more beautiful cleaner picture that I would love to have hanging on the wall. But in saying that, the one with shoreline tells more of a story about what it was like to be at that location like you have referred to in past videos. Bottom line is they are both awesome as usual. I do just want to thank you for sharing all your helpful knowledge you give us. While there are a lot of great photographer TH-camrs out there I always come back to your for learning. Thanks again
🔥QUESTION: Which Crop did you prefer? Edge or no Edge?
Squarer crop without the edge. It really emphasizes the geometry of the scene, with the triangle and its reflection forming a kite (nearly a cyclic one) centered in the square.
Prefer the vertically less symmetrical crop. It's more unique to my eyes and better proportioned over all.
I do think the mountain reflection in the water needs some editing because right now it doesn't match with the actual mountain in light display. Feels off because of that, at least to me.
But beautiful image in any case. Very nice!
The square image with no edge.
@@drmathochist06 Great feedback - thanks!
I like just the reflection one.
I've been watching Lightroom and photo editing videos for years, but no one has taught me so much meaningful information in one video as you. Thank you!
True!! Is the first time my photos have some color! Ty!
I like the one with the mud in the bottom. It makes composition more interesting and a bigger story to tell than just a cute mountain with symmetrical reflection in the water.
Beautiful work Mark. That solo mode is a godsend. You are the Man.
Thanks a million David!
Well done, Mark. Very informative. One thing I tend to do is be careful I don't make the sky darker than its reflection.
You are the ¡Thanks for all these tips and tricks!!
Been a while since I've visited TH-cam and delighted to see the growth of your channel and career, and that your content remains at such a high level
That means a lot - appreciate that!
Really appreciate that solo mode tip and SHIFT double click black/white. Didn't know those. Can't decide which of the two crops I prefer!
Bedankt, that means Thank you in Dutch. Great video
Thanks!
As always Mark - excellent tutorial. I especially like the work flow which has changed a bit from earlier videos, but this flows and works well. Thanks.
I really like the crop, it’s less distracting. First time I’ve seen your channel & I’ll definitely be watching more from you. Thanks
For many years I used to take my pictures with Sony cameras. And it was ok. Now for 6 weeks I have a Fuji x-h2. And to me it seems as if the Fuji works completely different with colors. The same when I watch your videos and you show the RAW. The colors have much more depth and dynamic. For me it is great to see how you work out the details and make a good picture to a better one. Thank you for that.
FUJI ROCKS!!
The photo with the edge of the pond in view looks more complete to me. The cropped one makes the photo look truncated. Appreciate the tutorial on how you brought out the hidden features that had 'fallen into shadow' in the RAW file.
Tough call as both are appealing, but I like the one on the left slightly better. Very good and informative video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I like the crop that's more like a 2 1/4 format. I think it emphasizes the light and mountain better and makes the overall image more impactful. Nice work.
Greetings Mark. The one with no shoreline by a long shot. This was a welcomed video, as I am starting to have memory loss. Your check sheet is now on the wall next to my monitors. Thanks Muchly
Great to hear it's helpful!
I prefer the no edge square crop. Thanks for the super helpful tutorial showing your workflow. Really helps me focus instead of being overwhelmed with the 8 million different controls in my raw processing software!
Outstanding to-the-point article on converting RAW images!! Thanks much Mark! As far as the images with/without the shoreline, I prefer the one withOUT the shoreline, no distractions in that image. My eyes tend to gravitate down to the shoreline eventually....... Your work is amazing!
Hi Mark,
Thanks for very good and informative videos 👍🏼
I would love to see your process when it comes to saving and categorising photos, the stages before you start to edit the photos. I have searched your videos but can’t find that you have done a video regarding that topic earlier. Keep up the good work 👍🏼 Best regards from Sweden 🇸🇪
I choose the cropped photo - or, the one that's 'closer to square'. The mountain and its reflection lend itself to the square, I think. I've learned a lot right here... my LRC learning curve has been pretty steep, and you've been helping me quite a bit, Mark. Thanks!
I like the version on the left. I’m going off just my fist feelings as I first seeing the without a lot of thought in it. Sometimes when I go with that feeling, it seem to guide me the best. If I stop and start analyzing, I make choices maybe I shouldn’t have. Thanks for all your helping videos❣️
im just getting back into photography after nearly 3yrs away due to work..just updated my camera(to a D850) and was looking to update my imac also, as my late 2014 isnt up to what i need.and BANG!!, i came across your video..not only have you Got the set-up im looking to purchase,but your tutorial is amazing!!, precise and informative, i was worrying what the new lightroom software could now do, but you've answered all my questions, im saving this video to help me through the new start-up..instantly subbed!!..many thanks
Great walk through of your editing process, thank you Mark for sharing. Of the two photos, I prefer the one without the shoreline as it highlights to me, the mountain and its reflection.
I like the shoreline cropped out. I really like your workflow steps/tips. Very logical. I’ll try it with my next set.
Thanks for this video. I love seeing how you take a 'meh' image to something outstanding. I'm quite new to your channel, and I find that in these types of videos, you go very quickly through the enhancements of texture/dehaze/etc., and it seems like you're toning these down. I'm old-school where we always wanted everything as sharp as possible. I understand that you are using these adjustments to draw the eye but I'm wondering if you can do a video where you go through these adjustments more slowly, showing before and after, or if you have already done such a video, if you can point me to it. Thanks for so much great free content!
Enjoyed watching this video. I think that the final image with a shore is much more compelling. It just balances the image well and also gives it a bit more character. It also gives me a sense of standing on the shore and observing the scene which draws me further into the image. The other image is also great, but if I had to choose one, it would be the image with the shore. Thanks for sharing
Of the two shots you asked for feedback on, with or without the shoreline, I like the "with". There's a bit too much empty space in the front of the "without" version. The shoreline leads the eye a bit more, I think. Very informative. My camera was down for a while, I didn't keep up with the skills. This is a great refresher, I learn something every time I watch your videos. Thanks😁
First off, I prefer the photo with the shoreline. I just think the other looks a bit too squashed top to bottom. I think including the shoreline gives good leading lines & just a gentler entrance into the photo for the viewer. I do want to thank you for this video, and especially for the pdf download, Mark! I often have difficulty remembering things, so having a "cheat sheet" to refer to will make it much easier than trying to reference or remember details from a video. At least until I can go through it enough times to internalize things. Thank you for your weekly videos. Hope you have an awesome day!
I like the one with the shoreline.
Been using Solo mode for years. Something you did mention that was new to me, and you only mentioned it in passing, was that you can hold down Shift and double-click a slider item (in this case it was Whites) to Auto set Whites. I knew you could double-click to reset a slider to its default setting, but the Shift-Double-click for Auto is something I never knew about. Thank you!
I sometimes use the overall Auto button to set a baseline to work from, but lately, the results of Auto have been horrendous. Can't remember if it started after the last LR update or not. Anyway, I always learn something from your videos. Keep up the great work!
Mark, I like the one without the foreground. I really enjoyed this video!
Glad to hear this!
Thank you for explaining why you edit the way you do. I like the the image with the shore as it leads into the mountain as the subject. With the more cropped version, the reflection of the mountain seems to be crushed against the lower edge and my eye keeps wandering around the image. Although it is interesting in that it is symmetrical, and that is always a pleasing composition.
Always something to learn. I was completely unaware of the Solo Mode!
As for the preferred version, it is very dependent how you are viewing it. The more cropped version looks better on a small device (phone, social media, etc), but the more complete version for gallery print...IMHO.
I like the photo on the left (closer crop)! Thanks for the download as well!
Glad to do it Jeff!
Mark, my preference is the one on the left without the shoreline, Awesome video as always very enjoyable to watch your way of portraying the method of editing. Thank you
Hello Mark
My choice would the picture without the mud. Excellent job, you are so much fun to follow. I have learned so much from you. Thank you.
Beautiful edit Mark, I prefer the one with the shore on the bottom. It draws my eye in better.
I always learn something(s) from your videos... THANKS! Question: What version of LR are you using? I have a Adobe CC sub that's regularly updated on a Windows 10 PC. The interface is missing some of the elements you have, e.g. "Develop, Library, etc" on the top bar is missing, I can't find a right-click "Solo" feature, nor can I find a way to re-order the workflow sections.
Mark, thanks for the pretty practical guidelines! My vote is for the crop w/o shoreline. One more cent to croping is a mount itself. I was really hipnotized when you show this crop of mount only. Looks like there is a group of people going up hill also. I would consider such option.
As always a great video Mark. I prefer the cropped version, it’s more cleaner and also makes the mountain and reflection the main focus of the image. The uncropped version for me makes the mountain and the reflection kinda fighting with the water and the shore, there’s an extra element that the cropped version takes away.
I like the one on the left no mud and I like the wider view, I like your story and how you documented the start of your Full time photography experience I'm currently watching that watchlist you made and congrats on your success.
Thanks so much!
Great learning tool for me as all your other videos do. I like the cropped version better. Thanks.
Thanks Bob!
this was a very useful way to spend an hour, going back and forth between the video and the RAW file, thank you. Time to go out and find some new locations to shoot and create something of my own to play around with...
What a great video! Best step-by-step photo editing video I have seen. Very useful to me because I am just getting started in Lightroom. Thanks!
I prefer the uncropped version of the image because I think the cropped version lacks any foreground interest
I prefer the cropped without shoreline. Especially considering your sky edits better match the reflection, I think the cropped version really brings that forward. Nice video.
Mark, you look and sound like you are feeling better and have found a healthy balance. Cheers as always for a really clear and concise little tutorial. I'm in the vertical crop WITH edge camp. Both are fine edits, but I find often it's almost a default as a photographer to want to have everything balance and be as perfectly symmetrical as possible, especially photographs of this type. Personally, I tend to start in camera with my composition often leaning towards the quirkier and sometimes off-balance side, but never being entirely dis-harmonious. The symmetrical square crop screams Sierra Club and glossy photo mag perfection, but so does the other one, and I am quite partial to a bit more foreground and that little bit of messy shoreline just barely making itself seen in the deeper shadow there.
If these were my photos? Well, I'd sell the "you know what" out of little gemlike square ones to the masses, but I'd mat and frame the taller one as an 11x14 to hang at home.
Thank you mark, appreciate the time and effort to show us the way. Think I like the more cropped squarer version. You made the upper middle look so nice that the lower sandy area was not really doing much. So the concentration is really pulling you towards the mountains focal area 😊
Mark: Thanks for sharing your editing process. Addressing the “big picture” edits first seems to save a lot of detail editing. Also I definitely prefer the cropped image. The clouds in the sky and the reflection give a nice balanced lead into the image. The muddy shoreline doesn’t really add to the image!
Mark, I prefer the cropped version without the shore line. Great great lesson. Love it man. You give. Thank you.
Thanks so much!
Great video! the one thing i might change is make the subtle changes in the reflection that you did in the actual moutain to carry through the realism of the adjustments.
Great video! I like the version with the shoreline, probably because it feels like you’re further away from the mountain. I think it feels a little more stark that way.
Hi Mark, thanks for yet another great video. My preference is the photo with the cropped shore.
Solo mode is great but what I learned just recently makes it even more interesting ! If you want to temporarily open a second (or more) panel, you can do it by typing + on the panel you want. I love it !
You definitely added a couple of things to my toolkit. I found it interesting though that your process is almost identical to the process I use on my landscape images - then I realized I learned most of my process from you! As always, thanks for a great video!
I'm torn. I think both are amazing photos. Every time I see your videos I'm blown away at the transformation! You take such great shots. You probably don't have the time to go back to previous shoots, but do you ever re-tweak an old photo? When I see what you do, it makes me want to revisit my shots.
Mark knocks things out of the park yet again! 👍
I prefer the shoreline version; draws the eye slightly down to the bottom of the shot and then an easy and natural "rebound / richochet" into the main subjects...
If you're going outside of Lr for DeNoise and/or Sharpening AI stuff (Topaz, Luminar, etc.), do you deal with those adjustments FIRST or last? I can see an argument for either way and to me it makes sense to do them as a last step once you have PP'd the RAW file to where you want it...thoughts?
Great video. Learned a lot. Square crop I prefer. More in balance with the triangular mountain and its reflection.
Hi Mark, thanks for your demon on your step by step raw processing. I rather like the near square image as for me it draws the attention to the mountain region.
Love your videos! Cropped version is my vote. More dramatic and powerful. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks so much Paula!
Great tips as always Mark. For me I find the new remove tool in PS tends to give better results than the LR band-aid for cleaning the image up
Reading through the comments it's interesting to see the different opinions on the two crops. I prefer the square crop since it's cleaner and more balanced and I find the shoreline distracting. I was also wondering if the reflection should get some attention as well since it looks flat in post editing? Or would that distract from the mountain as the main subject? Great video, thank you so much for sharing!
Solo mode changed my life! Thank you.
This is most excellent showing that capturing in raw that there is more work to be done. Like back in the Film days you had to do some work in the darkroom. Also there are settings that only affect jpegs find what they are and shoot in both then compare in post. I find doing a image in auto of the same way to look at your raw image. I have learned your new things that I also wish I knew first, but a note software did not have all the wizbang options years ago. When on days the lighting or weather are not good for going out to play I will go back to the old raw images. Do you remember when Lr gave the ability to remove sensor dust from an image? When you do sunrise/sunsets do you bracketing 5 at +/- 2EV and run through a HDR editing, doing in the blue hour is a big help also? You pay for all these options or tools with the camera cost! Just the play helps to you see what can be done with an image.
Great to get back to basics and tune areas that may had not been an area of focus. Thanks!
Hi Mark. First time commenting. Love your work and how you communicate about it. I have one minor suggestion. When adding some warmth and light to the mountain, do not forget to add a little to the reflection as well. It will make it come alive and add some form to that section as well. Almost forgot.... I like them both. I lean a little towards the taller one with the shoreline.
Thanks so much Greg! I didn't add any light to the reflection because reflections are always darker than the subject they reflect.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto Exactly. That is why I said a "little." I have tried two methods that seem to work. If using the same initial brush settings on the reflection, I then reduce it (-) by a certain amount. The other is to just do another separate layer at its own reduced density level. It adds a minor amount of time but the results will be appreciated after. By the way... thanks for following your creative passion.
That is what I love about your videos Mark. While I have been using Lightroom for years, I always find some Lightroom feature I never knew existed. Solo Mode is one of them. I just love it. Great video. Thank you!
Love hearing this - thanks Bob!
Thank you for sharing your method in developing a photo. I downloaded the steps and the color course. I prefer the photo without the bottom shoreline. They both are great and again, thanks for sharing
Thanks for downloading the cheat sheet!
Cropped looks best to me. Thanks Mark for sharing the content with us. As always, keep snapping…
Glad to do it!
As someone new to Lightroom your video was really helpful and informative. Thanks for sharing your process! This will be a great starting off point as I develop my own process. Thanks again!!
Μark, thanks for another great video! It is thought in general that a Square version of an image is more balanced but my gut reaction to this was the longer right version, because of the shape of the mountain and its reflection. Plus, the round shape of the pool reflection gives a better feeling.
Nice tips Mark. I like the non-shorline one, mostly because I like the aspect ratio, rather than some prejudice against the mud.
Terrific video Mark. Appreciated the solo mode tip as I only have a small screen. Liked the crop version as It complemented composition of mountain and reflection
Thank you for those tips !
I often struggle with high dynamic range pictures and sometimes even quit as I feel like I don't know what I am doing after 30 minutes trying to edit a single image.
I will definetly watch this video again while editing.
Nice video and appreciate the shortcut tips! I also love solo mode. Cropped vs uncropped: Both are nice but, I think that the cropped image is stronger. The shore is mud and not at the same visual standard as the magnificent landscape behind it. I feel that the shore dilutes the quality and the simpler, cropped image puts more focus on the most stunning part of the image.
Hello Mark, I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for walking through your editing process as I once again learned so much. Great delivery of all your information & step-by- step instructions.
Personally, I like the finished image with the shoreline in the foreground. To me it adds more depth to the overall scene. However, I find the second image without the shoreline draws more impact to the mountain areas. Either way, they are both "wall hangers" & enjoyable to view. Thanks for another wonderful video. Tom
Great tips, thanks! I really love all the features they have in Camera Raw especially all the masking features.
Hi Mark- as to the two different approaches in crop- I like the closer crop (without the foreground shore) - it has a very Galen Rowell feel to it (and I say that as a compliment). I think you have already been dinged on the “what you do to the actual subject, you need to transfer to the reflection” in some form- and I find that process one of the most tricky (and often overdone) edits to preform. Perhaps a video on editing mirror images and the tricky nuances that can be found there would be good. Love the image and your videos are always a learning experience!!
Thanks for that! Nice, clear directions. I’m curious about the reasons behind some aspects - in particular I wonder if you could tell me the purpose for upping the primary blue so much in the calibration and then lowering it in the HSL?? Would love to understand the advantage of this over just upping it slightly in Calibration &/or HSL… thanks in advance!
Edge. I like having a little foreground in most landscapes.
Excellent video. You have become my Lightroom and general photography guru, PARTICULARLY composition. Thank you.
Hi Mark ,, Really good video. Always good to see how others use Lightroom .. I prefer the photo with the shoreline in it as it adds just a little bit of foreground interest allowing the eye to move through the photo better.
Great video! Would be interested in seeing how you are adding the white borders in the final images. I've used the crop tool in photoshop for this and "canvas size" but it's never quite right
I like the one with the puddle best I think it adds just enough darker tone to separate the top from the reflection. beautiful
Great vid, learnt some new bits. As for the photo, my preference is the square crop on the left.
Always appreciate the Lightroom tips that I don’t see elsewhere.
Square image is the moneymaker.
Hi Mark, thanks for the good video as usual 👍🏼 My fav is the non cropped version as I prefer the perspective with some foreground. Best wishes, Paulo
Thanks so much!
Excellent video! I usually jump around. I'm going to try your way. I prefer the crop with out the mud. Thanks!
Thanks so much!
Wow, thanks a lot for this video! Went through the whole video while editing the picture at the same time, super helpful to learn what button or slider does what! I like the picture without the shoreline better. To me it draws more attention to the ruggedness of the mountain.
I would go with the edge, but the other is good as well. Thanks for the download, it really helps when one is just starting out with editing. Love your channel.
Always enjoy your videos Mark, but in particular I enjoy your post processing tutorials. I always learn something new from them, and its great to get your perspective and thoughts behind your editing decisions. I really like the version with the pool in the front, it adds more character to the image.
I prefer the image with the edge showing. It can be tempting to make a subject larger in the frame, which is possibly how we naturally see a scene. In my opinion, including more of the scene surrounding the subject will add context and interest to the subject.
Thanks for your excellent video.
Another great video Mark. So informative, more like this in the future please. I like the left hand crop version.
I go for option "Right", given the more dramatic scene and the more natural details in it. Sell worthy, and no kidding. There's a gallery here in downtown Zürich, Switzerland selling these for the price of a lovely wide-angle lens. And BTW, super informative video with new tips & tricks, I immediately will implement in my workflow.
Mark, I like the image that's in portrait with the puddle showing
Hey Mark, thanks for the interesting video. I like both of the images but prefer the square crop for this particular photo.
Mark, love the editing tips. I'm having dinner & watching on my tablet & missed the download link for the free guide/pdf w/your ediying tips. How to get them? Please advise…
I don't know if it's your style or what not...I just really tune in to your content and pick up a lot of information. Keep it going.
Another excellent video Mark! Thank you 👍😲
A crop question for you...
You seem to crop your image for the best composition. How does this affect print size if this was a image that people could purchase?
Definitely with shoreline. Creates more depth. Great content!❤
What format do you save the finished image in?
Do you save the raw file for later use?
Nice and instructive videos that are easy to use.
My opinion is the one without the shoreline is a more beautiful cleaner picture that I would love to have hanging on the wall. But in saying that, the one with shoreline tells more of a story about what it was like to be at that location like you have referred to in past videos. Bottom line is they are both awesome as usual. I do just want to thank you for sharing all your helpful knowledge you give us. While there are a lot of great photographer TH-camrs out there I always come back to your for learning. Thanks again