I like how Louis XIV's Queen treated his illegitimate children with kindness. She knew the fault wasn't theirs and didn't take it out on them. That is the sign of a truly respectable and classy woman
That was more typical than you think. There's stories about Queen Maria Christina (Alonso XIII of Spain's mother) having a closer relationship with her son's mistress and her children than with Victoria Eugenie (Alfonso's wife) and her children.
@@areiaaphrodite also the fact that Queen Maria Christina, an Archduchess of Austria by birth, looked down upon Victoria Eugenie who was mere second-rank royalty (the Battenbergs being a morganatic branch of the Grand Ducal Family of Hesse-Darmstadt), the fact Ena (Victoria Eugenie) was born Protestant did little to help her popularity with the Spanish aristocracy
Right, it makes it even more incredible how she doted on the kids despite their parentage, I think she genuinely liked kids and sought comfort in them since she lost so many 🥺 it would also be devastating to know that it was likely because of her genetic issues that most of her children didn't live since most of the mistresses didn't have as many stillbirths or deaths 😭
8:00.... "King Louis lavished his illegitimate children with gifts, but while noble titles and millions of livre are nice, what they REALLY wanted was some History Tea Time merch!"......I cracked up. It got worse when you dressed their historical portraits in your shirts with your bags! I was suffocating, couldn't breathe. 😅🤣😂 😅
idk if anyone mentioned it yet but there is a rumor that Louis XIV had a black daughter with an actress. Her name is Louise Marie Thérèse and she was nicknamed "the Mauresse of Moret" if you want to look it up. It's a really cool story. She was likely raise by Madame de Maintenon at some point like the other illegitimates children and then send to a convent. Her whole life the king send her a pension and i believe there was letters exchanged between the two of them. He went to the ceremony where she officially became a nun (idk the name in english). All of this is very weird if you see her as a random nun, i mean the King seemed reaaaally interested in her upbringing. Many people visited her, intrigued by her potential link to the royal family including Voltaire who wrote about her: « We suspected, and it seems very likely, that a nun from the Muret Abbaye was his (the King) daughter. She had an extremely dark skin and she resembled him a lot. The King gave her 20k écuts (curency) of dowry and put her in a convent." Apparently she was very cocky and Madame de Maintenon visited her to order her to calm down and to stop saying she was the King's daughter. To which Louise replied: "Madame, the fact that a women of your rank took the time to come all the way here to visit me and to tell me i'm not the King's daughter truly conviced me that i am." There is a lot of video on the french side of youtube about her if you want/can look it up Sorry for my spelling mistakes btw
OMG that is hilarious with the story of the Madame visiting her 😆. You would think they would have just ignored her when she was saying she was a daughter of the king. But oh no Madame made a special visit to tell her otherwise! So yeah I'm with Louise Marie in believing OTHERWISE lol 🤣!
Excellent information, thank you. Strangely, despite being a despotic sinner, Louis the XIV was very religious... and it seems he cared one way or another for most of the children he had, with aristocratic women or servants. He truly feared God.
As related as half-siblings, yes, which is still gross but not as much as full siblings. Not really that big of a difference to me though but just wanted to clarify in case anyone was curious. If their parents were sets of identical twins, then it would be genetically full siblings.
@@andrealuisecandido1154 no there were half but both of there parents were siblings to each one . So they share 12.5 their dna mother and additional 12.5 dna for thier fathers side totaling 25 percent of same dna, the about as if would have actually shared a parent.
Don't judge XVII century nobility from 2022 bourgeois perspective. 😉 Back then infants death was so common and people were used to that at all levels of society. Moreover rich women who lived at court didn't breastfeed and didn't take care of babies. Infants were raised in countryside and later in convents or private tutors and they come back at court in their early teens. You might find it bizarre, but wasn't peaceful town,quiet monstery and heatly air with fresh food better place for a kid then loud overcrowded palace with lack of hygiene and space, full of sex, excess and adult's affaires. "Childhood" was invented in half of XVIII century and seeing kids as special creatures not as small version of adults start to change. For long time only by rich and privileged who could afford that - cherish and protect their offsprings. Poor still had to send their kids on the field or to the factory.
We live in a day at age where a 14-year-old can't go get their ears pierced at the ball with their friends but could decide to chop off body parts and it celebrated.. need I digress
Infant death was more common than their survival, unfortunately. Also, nobel and royal women often gave their children to others, to be their wards and educate them, until the child was old enough to go to court. So.. Yeah, not attending a kid's funeral wasn't that big of a deal, seeing that the bond, many times, wasn't even there to begin with.
I just want to throw it out there that the child mortality rate in the US in the 1920s was between 100 and 180 child (5 years and under) deaths per 1000. My grandfather was born in the 1920s in rural Kansas and has said that you didn't name the kid more then a nickname until they got to around 5-8 because "you don't want to waste a good name" in case they die as children. So while I don't disagree with the reasons above, we also have to take into account how many child died just generally.
We all know about the British crown jewels but we barely know about the royal regalias of other countries. Please can you make a video about the royal regalias around the world........ Please 🙏🥺
There are a ton of great books about Crown Jewels around the world. I collect them because I love researching the topic. One is Crown Jewels by Prince Michael of Greece
Courtiers: Your majesty; we’re facing a succession crisis! Louis XIV: *looks at his various illegitimate children* I’m about to do what’s called a pro gamer move
All to naught, because his great grandson survived. Although, 'tainted' blood did enter the Orleans branch, who reigned in the 19th century under Louis Phillipe.
It’s interesting how pagan-related views on fertility and virility survived in so many European cultures. Men were expected to father as many children as possible on as many women as possible while Catholicism was most definitely against it
Been waiting for this video! Became obsessed with your channel once again, as royal history is starting to become one of my special interests (thanks autism) and your videos are so well put together and understandable for me. Thank you for making these videos, Lindsay!
I love some history drama lol, French court is one court I would pay good money to be part of back in those days 😂 thanks for this phenomenal video Lindsay. ❤
Meanwhile in Spain……. “Philip Prospero died after a seizure just a shy of his fourth birthday. His parents were heartbroken and baffled s to why their children have been so afflicted. The King wrote to a friend “I have sworn that I angered god for these excuses”. Philip and Mariana would suffer the death of one more son Ferdinand at the age of 10 months before their 5th and only surviving son Charles was born.”
This just makes me scream. I just got out of a 20 year long intensely dysfunsional relationship with a DNA tested scion of Louis XIV (through the illegitimate side). He lied, cheated, manipulated, in such a careless cruel fashion. What was once a source of pride to me, is a sum ZERO end point. I know WHY they were deposed. What a messed up family.
Great video. A quick note or two. Marie Anne de Bourbon could not be added to the line of succession because France observed Salic Law when it came to the royal succession. Only males could reign.
Yeah so not even 1 Queen Regnant of France EVER but some people act like Marie Antoinette:(the Queen CONSORT wife of Louis XVI):was Queen Regnant clearly just so they can bash her no matter what
Philip (Felipe)V suffered from depression and in January 1724 abdicated in favour of his eldest son Louis (Luís) I. Unfortunately the young king died of smallpox later that same year aged only 17 years, had been.married verynbriefly and keft no heirs. His father resumed the crown and reigned on until he died in 1746.
Excellent pronunciation overall! Just a little correction. Dauphin is pronounced dough-FAN. Dauphine, the feminine of the word, is pronounced dough-FEEN, as you have been pronouncing Dauphin.
Oooh, I´m looking forward to learning more about them, especially the Duc du Maine. I remember one of my first history documentaries (in german) being focused on his relationship with Montespan. and how over time the way of Madame de Maintenon got on Louis XIV´s radar because she helped the Duc du Maine walk again. I´m excited to see if there is mention of this and I´m looking forward to adding to this supposed knowledge of mine :)
The moment your sister, with wildly different tastes, confides she also watches Tea Time! Lindsay you’re now a conversation starter for us. Lol thanks.
9:20, Honestly idc if he was REALY gay or anything(when I look it up, it says he actually WAS gay, but sadly got involved with those noble pricks) This child was so innocent & sweet I'm so ashamed that he died in such a way (As someone who has been gay since, age 16(same age this kids death)it's almost disgusting shit like this got away if u were a noble)
So interesting, one can imagine all the jostling for favors and attention. The habit of using the same first names for numerous children was mind boggling!! Grazie.
Lindsay, there is some controversies about your sponsor Established Titles. Your channel name was listed in a big youtubers video about it and the name really stuck out like a sore thumb bc the name is so long. Just letting you know you might wanna put up a community tab or mention it in the next video cuz i’m sure lots of people read your name on that list! love you!
Do you know anything about "The Man in the Iron Mask?" I was always interested into this story since seeing the movie with Leo DeCaprio. I was always curious about it. I enjoy your videos!
John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster siyn of Edward III of England did better by his mistress Katherine Swynford. He married her eventually and got his nephew Richard II to legitimise his 4 illegitimate children the Beauforts on condition they wouldn't inherit the Crown. The Beauforts were very powerful at court since their half brother became King Henry IV. And decades later, a Beaufort became King, Henry Tudor, Henry VII, as the last Lancastrian, through his mother Margaret Beaufort.
I feel bad for royal mistress’, they think having a kid by the king means that they’ll be queen/receive some kind of wealth, or be fully loved by the king, only to be shunned, paid hush money, and die a miserable death
The thing is, you don't really have much of a choice if the king chooses you to be his mistress. So you would just have to make up your mind to get as much out of it for yourself, family, kids (and maybe even your spouse) as you can.
@History Tea Time With Lindsey Holiday I absolutely LOVE your channel! But I especially LOVE your French pronunciations as they are positively divine! Thank You for your wonderful and educational channel and all of the time, effort and hard work that I know you must devote to it, put into it and spend on it. I appreciate you so much! You are quite wonderful! 😍😘💖
This was amazing! Thank you for the amazing videos you're uploading for us! I have a suggestion, would you make a video of all Hürrem Sultan's children? Thank you for this video, once again. ❤
I am glad most families I poersonally know who have Illigitimate children in them have treated those children the same way they would any legitimate child, Times change for the better at least where I am haha. Though I am unsure what the attitude would have been had those children been known of around the time of their birth
@II well yes, obviously, aka the female version. I thought it was understood since women were barred from inheriting the French throne. There has never been a Queen Regnant of France.
Honestly, first, I want to see the series about it all with multiple seasons. Second, I'm so freaking grateful for existence of the vaccine for measles. Like, every third royal here died from it.
Hey are you going to make a video about your sponsorship with established titles? It's a big deal rn and you were the few TH-camrs sponsored by them for awhile before everyone else was. Love you❤️
Love your store! I bought 2 stickers to put on my new chariot (car) I already have crowns on it, why not stickers to let everyone know that I’m a Queen Regnant? I also got the Catherine the Great one too!
You really have done a great job. Feedback: For the masculine pronunciation, it is Dauphin (doh-fan) not Dauphine (doo-pheen). You consistently pronounce the masculine like the feminine title.
Well, since barely anybody in the aristocracy raised their own children anyway, they absolutely have a favorite. They didn’t care/hide things like that. I don’t care WHO you are. You always have a favorite child. If you say no, I don’t believe it. But, they didn’t have to pretend.
These are fascinating stories, I don’t know as much about the French history as some other places and it’s all pretty interesting. For example now I will never be able to not think of Versailles as a giant frilly portable toilet smelling place 😂 it’s almost like I can smell it by thinking about it 🤦🏻♀️
Have visited, one really warm summer day, all the fireplaces still smell of pee. Male courtiers, who spent much time waiting for an audience with the king, would pee in the fireplaces rather than leave the room and lose their place
her mother still managed to survive for like the next 25+ years or so oh and um what’s with people bashing parents from centuries ago who often only had 1 of their kids survive to adulthood such as the eldest son of Louis XIV:(the eldest one of his legitimate children):and the eldest daughter of the over-hated Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI both were as everybody already knows guillotined rather very publicly
I tried to find more info about your mention that Loius Count of Vermandios had been the Man in the Iron Mask but couldnt discover much. Im not sure Louis would spare his brother and the aggressor only to unleash the torturous cruelty of improsoning the boy, but its fascinating. Did the man exist? What was his crime? What caused his unusual punishment?
At 0:52, it is a portrait of Louis XIV's great-grandson and heir, Louis XV. You probably made the mistake because both of them inherited the throne at the age of 5 🙂
Even in the 1600s, it should have been obvious that a teenaged boy at the mercy of ‘brutal, insinuating, and completely unscrupulous’ Lorraine and his possibly even worse friends could hardly be considered to be at fault. But then again Louis’s own dear mother had arranged for him to be meddled with at fifteen, and he clearly had no sense of perspective about that. Hideous.
“The 32 year old woman received a proposal from her 15 year old nephew, the son of her own half brother. But the marriage would be inappropriate.” No dip, Sherlock.
Don’t know if it’s possible to verify this but I read of a story that when Louis XIV was young (teenager I guess?) he had a brief fling with the daughter of one of the gardeners at the palace and she gave birth to a daughter. Don’t know if there’s any way to verify such a story.
We never know to much about Queen Elizabeth II cousins children. That’ll be Queen Elizabeth II (2nd Cousins). That’ll be an interesting video about them and their lives.
There are so many books out on genealogy for English kings and queens but nothing about the French Kings and Queens as in lineage except in French that I can find.
Are the photos / paintings of the real person? I’m guessing they are. Sometime the women all look alike / same person, especially in group photos. Maybe the way they were painted. I notice this in a few of your stories. I enjoy your videos, very interesting. Thank you 😊
It’s terrible Louie the junior was punished. For being groomed and taken advantage of by grown men! He was victim! I know back then people didn’t feel this way but that’s so sad that he was estranged from his father and trying to impress him at the time he passed away,
I like how Louis XIV's Queen treated his illegitimate children with kindness. She knew the fault wasn't theirs and didn't take it out on them. That is the sign of a truly respectable and classy woman
That was more typical than you think. There's stories about Queen Maria Christina (Alonso XIII of Spain's mother) having a closer relationship with her son's mistress and her children than with Victoria Eugenie (Alfonso's wife) and her children.
@@Nikki-tx6kh Because they all blamed Victoria Eugenie for introducing haemophilia into their bloodline.
@@areiaaphrodite also the fact that Queen Maria Christina, an Archduchess of Austria by birth, looked down upon Victoria Eugenie who was mere second-rank royalty (the Battenbergs being a morganatic branch of the Grand Ducal Family of Hesse-Darmstadt), the fact Ena (Victoria Eugenie) was born Protestant did little to help her popularity with the Spanish aristocracy
And not at ALL how she treated them. Crack a book. #TheMoreYouKnow
@@annaburke6164 To whom do you speak?
Even in the Court environment, how heartbreaking for the Queen to see the mistresses pregnant when she lost 5 children
Right, it makes it even more incredible how she doted on the kids despite their parentage, I think she genuinely liked kids and sought comfort in them since she lost so many 🥺 it would also be devastating to know that it was likely because of her genetic issues that most of her children didn't live since most of the mistresses didn't have as many stillbirths or deaths 😭
8:00.... "King Louis lavished his illegitimate children with gifts, but while noble titles and millions of livre are nice, what they REALLY wanted was some History Tea Time merch!"......I cracked up. It got worse when you dressed their historical portraits in your shirts with your bags! I was suffocating, couldn't breathe. 😅🤣😂 😅
NGL that was actually smooth lol
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@@andrealuisecandido1154 Your replying to the wrong thread. Unless you're delusional. There can't be an again if there wasn't a first time.
idk if anyone mentioned it yet but there is a rumor that Louis XIV had a black daughter with an actress. Her name is Louise Marie Thérèse and she was nicknamed "the Mauresse of Moret" if you want to look it up. It's a really cool story. She was likely raise by Madame de Maintenon at some point like the other illegitimates children and then send to a convent. Her whole life the king send her a pension and i believe there was letters exchanged between the two of them. He went to the ceremony where she officially became a nun (idk the name in english). All of this is very weird if you see her as a random nun, i mean the King seemed reaaaally interested in her upbringing.
Many people visited her, intrigued by her potential link to the royal family including Voltaire who wrote about her: « We suspected, and it seems very likely, that a nun from the Muret Abbaye was his (the King) daughter. She had an extremely dark skin and she resembled him a lot. The King gave her 20k écuts (curency) of dowry and put her in a convent."
Apparently she was very cocky and Madame de Maintenon visited her to order her to calm down and to stop saying she was the King's daughter. To which Louise replied: "Madame, the fact that a women of your rank took the time to come all the way here to visit me and to tell me i'm not the King's daughter truly conviced me that i am."
There is a lot of video on the french side of youtube about her if you want/can look it up
Sorry for my spelling mistakes btw
OMG that is hilarious with the story of the Madame visiting her 😆. You would think they would have just ignored her when she was saying she was a daughter of the king. But oh no Madame made a special visit to tell her otherwise! So yeah I'm with Louise Marie in believing OTHERWISE lol 🤣!
Excellent information, thank you. Strangely, despite being a despotic sinner, Louis the XIV was very religious... and it seems he cared one way or another for most of the children he had, with aristocratic women or servants. He truly feared God.
@@TheMeloettaful Well, nowadays, how can it not be true? Not saying it couldn’t be, but
@@mangot589 What does that even mean?
The Mauress of Moret is thought to be Maria Thereses daughter not the Kings.
Louise XIV and his wife being double first cousin would made the genic equivalent of half siblings.
I was thinking of that too 🤢
As related as half-siblings, yes, which is still gross but not as much as full siblings. Not really that big of a difference to me though but just wanted to clarify in case anyone was curious. If their parents were sets of identical twins, then it would be genetically full siblings.
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Makes you wonder if that didn’t contribute to the deaths. Who knows what these poor babies would have had to cope with if they had survived. So sad. 😢
@@andrealuisecandido1154 no there were half but both of there parents were siblings to each one . So they share 12.5 their dna mother and additional 12.5 dna for thier fathers side totaling 25 percent of same dna, the about as if would have actually shared a parent.
I like that the queen didn't take any anger out on the kids. She knew it wasn't their fault and they didn't have any choice in the matter.
How can a mother be too busy to attend her own daughter's funeral? What a bizarre world this people were this living .
Especially chinesse queen mother that killed her own children(s).
Yes, really.
Don't judge XVII century nobility from 2022 bourgeois perspective. 😉 Back then infants death was so common and people were used to that at all levels of society. Moreover rich women who lived at court didn't breastfeed and didn't take care of babies. Infants were raised in countryside and later in convents or private tutors and they come back at court in their early teens. You might find it bizarre, but wasn't peaceful town,quiet monstery and heatly air with fresh food better place for a kid then loud overcrowded palace with lack of hygiene and space, full of sex, excess and adult's affaires. "Childhood" was invented in half of XVIII century and seeing kids as special creatures not as small version of adults start to change. For long time only by rich and privileged who could afford that - cherish and protect their offsprings. Poor still had to send their kids on the field or to the factory.
We live in a day at age where a 14-year-old can't go get their ears pierced at the ball with their friends but could decide to chop off body parts and it celebrated.. need I digress
Infant death was more common than their survival, unfortunately. Also, nobel and royal women often gave their children to others, to be their wards and educate them, until the child was old enough to go to court. So.. Yeah, not attending a kid's funeral wasn't that big of a deal, seeing that the bond, many times, wasn't even there to begin with.
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The infant mortality was devastating 😢
Most likely living in a sanitised atmosphere like at court, their body doesn't build up immunity to common childhood diseases.
@@Puzzoozoo I’m pretty sure it was the lack of sanitation, the lack of medical knowledge, and the inbreeding
@@Puzzoozoo it was the complete opposite of that
All of the above ^^^
I just want to throw it out there that the child mortality rate in the US in the 1920s was between 100 and 180 child (5 years and under) deaths per 1000. My grandfather was born in the 1920s in rural Kansas and has said that you didn't name the kid more then a nickname until they got to around 5-8 because "you don't want to waste a good name" in case they die as children. So while I don't disagree with the reasons above, we also have to take into account how many child died just generally.
Lindsay, another perfect pronounciation of tricky Polish names! Leszczynska was on spot👏🏻
Thanks! 😃
Yeah!
Spot on* / on point* 😊
Yet, like most Americans she butchers French
@@ThomasHarding1990it’s a bastard language.. 😊
I've never laughed so hard at a merch segway, the way you announced it was so funny! I actually laughed out loud in my car seeing it xD
Are you watching videos while driving a car?????
@@d.l.l.6578 (i swear I responded earlier tf) noo I eat lunch in my parked car
We all know about the British crown jewels but we barely know about the royal regalias of other countries. Please can you make a video about the royal regalias around the world........ Please 🙏🥺
Wish she would start with the French kings and Queen consorts
What a great idea for a video series! ✨
She has made videos about royals around the world
There are a ton of great books about Crown Jewels around the world. I collect them because I love researching the topic. One is Crown Jewels by Prince Michael of Greece
A video on the Russian (Tzarist and Imperial) regalia would be so bloody cool.
Courtiers: Your majesty; we’re facing a succession crisis!
Louis XIV: *looks at his various illegitimate children* I’m about to do what’s called a pro gamer move
All to naught, because his great grandson survived. Although, 'tainted' blood did enter the Orleans branch, who reigned in the 19th century under Louis Phillipe.
It’s interesting how pagan-related views on fertility and virility survived in so many European cultures. Men were expected to father as many children as possible on as many women as possible while Catholicism was most definitely against it
Been waiting for this video! Became obsessed with your channel once again, as royal history is starting to become one of my special interests (thanks autism) and your videos are so well put together and understandable for me. Thank you for making these videos, Lindsay!
Fellow history loving autistic here 👋🥹
I love some history drama lol, French court is one court I would pay good money to be part of back in those days 😂 thanks for this phenomenal video Lindsay. ❤
Really? It would have smelt nasty. I’m gagging just by thinking of the awful stench 🤮
Meanwhile in Spain……. “Philip Prospero died after a seizure just a shy of his fourth birthday. His parents were heartbroken and baffled s to why their children have been so afflicted. The King wrote to a friend “I have sworn that I angered god for these excuses”. Philip and Mariana would suffer the death of one more son Ferdinand at the age of 10 months before their 5th and only surviving son Charles was born.”
This just makes me scream. I just got out of a 20 year long intensely dysfunsional relationship with a DNA tested scion of Louis XIV (through the illegitimate side). He lied, cheated, manipulated, in such a careless cruel fashion. What was once a source of pride to me, is a sum ZERO end point. I know WHY they were deposed. What a messed up family.
least french-hating brit 💀💀
Cheating is not in DNA, you know…
EXTREMELY ENVIED family somewhat understandably so
Damn how far back you willing to go to vilify someone 😂
@@heliedecastanet1882Might be in the blood though
You should have plushies of the queens ! I’d love a Marie Antoinette plushy!
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Great video. A quick note or two. Marie Anne de Bourbon could not be added to the line of succession because France observed Salic Law when it came to the royal succession. Only males could reign.
Yeah so not even 1 Queen Regnant of France EVER but some people act like Marie Antoinette:(the Queen CONSORT wife of Louis XVI):was Queen Regnant
clearly just so they can
bash her no matter what
Still hoping you do Charles II and his girlfriends after this. You've done Edward VII and now Louis, so I'm really looking forward to see Charles.
And Henry VIII, he was actually the first mistresses video she did.
Louis XIV's legitimate grandson's name was Philippe duc' Anjou. He ascended the Spanish throne and became Philip V of Spain not Louis 1st of Spain
Philip (Felipe)V suffered from depression and in January 1724 abdicated in favour of his eldest son Louis (Luís) I. Unfortunately the young king died of smallpox later that same year aged only 17 years, had been.married verynbriefly and keft no heirs. His father resumed the crown and reigned on until he died in 1746.
Excellent pronunciation overall! Just a little correction. Dauphin is pronounced dough-FAN. Dauphine, the feminine of the word, is pronounced dough-FEEN, as you have been pronouncing Dauphin.
Oooh, I´m looking forward to learning more about them, especially the Duc du Maine.
I remember one of my first history documentaries (in german) being focused on his relationship with Montespan. and how over time the way of Madame de Maintenon got on Louis XIV´s radar because she helped the Duc du Maine walk again. I´m excited to see if there is mention of this and I´m looking forward to adding to this supposed knowledge of mine :)
The moment your sister, with wildly different tastes, confides she also watches Tea Time! Lindsay you’re now a conversation starter for us. Lol thanks.
Blimey they made about five names work bloody hard didnt they.
9:20,
Honestly idc if he was REALY gay or anything(when I look it up, it says he actually WAS gay, but sadly got involved with those noble pricks)
This child was so innocent & sweet I'm so ashamed that he died in such a way
(As someone who has been gay since, age 16(same age this kids death)it's almost disgusting shit like this got away if u were a noble)
So interesting, one can imagine all the jostling for favors and attention. The habit of using the same first names for numerous children was mind boggling!! Grazie.
I'm so excited to learn more about French royalty 😍
Lindsay, there is some controversies about your sponsor Established Titles. Your channel name was listed in a big youtubers video about it and the name really stuck out like a sore thumb bc the name is so long. Just letting you know you might wanna put up a community tab or mention it in the next video cuz i’m sure lots of people read your name on that list! love you!
The Scott Schafer video, right?
@@piratesswoop725 yes
Yea I'm wondering if she'll post about it because she's been sponsored by them forever
Do you know anything about "The Man in the Iron Mask?" I was always interested into this story since seeing the movie with Leo DeCaprio. I was always curious about it. I enjoy your videos!
Ah yes please! That part got me very curious.
The show of Versailles had a interesting take on it
Yeah same! I thought it was complete fiction even I saw it on Versailles (the show) but now I’m very curious 🧐
Actually, nobody knows who this guy was. He is named «Eustache Danger» in the letters of the time but that may very be an alias.
I enjoy your videos! If it is possible, can you please make videos on the history of hygiene and make-up?
I enjoy your videos so much!! 🥰 do you consider doing some videos on the romanian royals?
who can keep up with these names i got confused several times which was the mother and which were her children and to whom 😆
Haha yes! So many Louis, Louises and Françoises!
John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster siyn of Edward III of England did better by his mistress Katherine Swynford. He married her eventually and got his nephew Richard II to legitimise his 4 illegitimate children the Beauforts on condition they wouldn't inherit the Crown. The Beauforts were very powerful at court since their half brother became King Henry IV. And decades later, a Beaufort became King, Henry Tudor, Henry VII, as the last Lancastrian, through his mother Margaret Beaufort.
I feel bad for royal mistress’, they think having a kid by the king means that they’ll be queen/receive some kind of wealth, or be fully loved by the king, only to be shunned, paid hush money, and die a miserable death
The thing is, you don't really have much of a choice if the king chooses you to be his mistress. So you would just have to make up your mind to get as much out of it for yourself, family, kids (and maybe even your spouse) as you can.
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death himself:(gangrene): perhaps far more miserable than his shunned and seemingly basically
bribed former mistress/es
@History Tea Time With Lindsey Holiday I absolutely LOVE your channel! But I especially LOVE your French pronunciations as they are positively divine! Thank You for your wonderful and educational channel and all of the time, effort and hard work that I know you must devote to it, put into it and spend on it. I appreciate you so much! You are quite wonderful! 😍😘💖
Wow DeMontespon really liked naming her kids Louise and louis
This was amazing! Thank you for the amazing videos you're uploading for us! I have a suggestion, would you make a video of all Hürrem Sultan's children? Thank you for this video, once again. ❤
This video is basically a Louis drinking game 😂
I am glad most families I poersonally know who have Illigitimate children in them have treated those children the same way they would any legitimate child,
Times change for the better at least where I am haha.
Though I am unsure what the attitude would have been had those children been known of around the time of their birth
Athénaïs is a gorgeous name
Try to remember that the male version of Dauphin is doe-fau. Doe-feen (Dauphine) is the female pronunciation.
"Fau" as if you're trying to say "fan" without the n. Also, princess is *not* stressed on the second syllable as you often do.
@II well yes, obviously, aka the female version. I thought it was understood since women were barred from inheriting the French throne. There has never been a Queen Regnant of France.
Honestly, first, I want to see the series about it all with multiple seasons.
Second, I'm so freaking grateful for existence of the vaccine for measles. Like, every third royal here died from it.
Hey are you going to make a video about your sponsorship with established titles? It's a big deal rn and you were the few TH-camrs sponsored by them for awhile before everyone else was. Love you❤️
Love your store! I bought 2 stickers to put on my new chariot (car) I already have crowns on it, why not stickers to let everyone know that I’m a Queen Regnant? I also got the Catherine the Great one too!
Great episode. Could you do an episode of Louis the 14th right from birth to his death.
The "double first cousin" got me gagged 💀😭👀
You should do a video about how christmas was in Versailles during the reign of the sun king. Or how christmas was celebrated in the Tudor era
@A.W. Thanks for the comment I’ve already seen that video and loved it but i just think a lot more could have been covered
miss lindsay, your vid are just sooooooo much fun ,plus i learn so much. i love history but ,this great ,wish you were my high school teacher
You really have done a great job. Feedback: For the masculine pronunciation, it is Dauphin (doh-fan) not Dauphine (doo-pheen). You consistently pronounce the masculine like the feminine title.
Well, since barely anybody in the aristocracy raised their own children anyway, they absolutely have a favorite. They didn’t care/hide things like that. I don’t care WHO you are. You always have a favorite child. If you say no, I don’t believe it. But, they didn’t have to pretend.
I love you video and really love your history of royal family and I would really love to see you do A video on the French royal family. please
Check out Kings of France. She does great videos of the French royal family.
Do you plan to talk about established titles? You were sponsored by them. Would be interesting to hear your point of view!
These are fascinating stories, I don’t know as much about the French history as some other places and it’s all pretty interesting. For example now I will never be able to not think of Versailles as a giant frilly portable toilet smelling place 😂 it’s almost like I can smell it by thinking about it 🤦🏻♀️
Have visited, one really warm summer day, all the fireplaces still smell of pee. Male courtiers, who spent much time waiting for an audience with the king, would pee in the fireplaces rather than leave the room and lose their place
Wow are you going to do charles ii illegitimate children?
I love the merch designs. A good design idea would be LGBT monarchs for pride. I love this channel and history btw
I don’t think you want to be represented by the known “lgbt” royalty.
@@tell-me-a-story- and here
I thought some people are just totally DESPERATE for LGBTQ🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈⚧ “representation”
Who is homo I have to know 👀
All the European kings and regents cannot touch Genghis Khan. This guys descendants number 15 million people today. Who is Louis again?
Considering that he raped a bunch of women, that's not something to brag about. Neither is having dozens of mistresses like Louis.
one of several French Kings who’ve had the name Louis
“She died at the age of 6. Her mother was saddened but she was too busy to attend the funeral” !?!? Like wtf. How can that statement even be real! 🤮
maybe the mother was too saddened to attend the funeral?
her mother still managed to survive for like the next 25+ years or so oh and um what’s with people bashing parents from centuries ago who often only had 1 of their kids survive to adulthood such as the eldest son of Louis XIV:(the eldest one of his legitimate children):and the eldest daughter of the
over-hated Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI both were as everybody already knows guillotined rather very publicly
I love your channel! Thank you for your hard work.
Sounds like he was bed more than anything else during his reign 🤣🤣🤣
I tried to find more info about your mention that Loius Count of Vermandios had been the Man in the Iron Mask but couldnt discover much. Im not sure Louis would spare his brother and the aggressor only to unleash the torturous cruelty of improsoning the boy, but its fascinating. Did the man exist? What was his crime? What caused his unusual punishment?
Not moi in a teacup-
Thank you for that
Thank god Charles of England didn't spew out spawn with Camilla.
pretty much only cause they’d get demonized/bashed King Charles and Queen consort Camilla have already been subjected to plenty of such BS
btw there’s NO “Charles
of England” at least not
since over 300 years ago
18:15 what does the “fast set at court” for Louise Francoise mean?? Always love your videos Lindsay!
8:04 officially dead. This is so funny! I love your channel xD
I wish these were longer!
Imagine if he was the mysterious man in the iron mask.
This Video was so beautiful I was crying at the end of the video
Absolutely loved this video lindsay
"It's good to be the king".
--Mel Brooks
24:12 One other descendant is Simeon, the former king of Bulgaria!
At 0:52, it is a portrait of Louis XIV's great-grandson and heir, Louis XV. You probably made the mistake because both of them inherited the throne at the age of 5 🙂
damn, I want that shirt. the pictures are perfect. you should totally make them in tanks.
Even in the 1600s, it should have been obvious that a teenaged boy at the mercy of ‘brutal, insinuating, and completely unscrupulous’ Lorraine and his possibly even worse friends could hardly be considered to be at fault. But then again Louis’s own dear mother had arranged for him to be meddled with at fifteen, and he clearly had no sense of perspective about that. Hideous.
He and Charles ll was out getting everybody and their mom pregnant.
Madame de Montespan's youngest daughter was called Marie Françoise. Again, DON'T COPY WIKIPEDIA.
Louis XIV's youngest daughter was ACTUALLY called *Marie Françoise* please stop copying Wikipedia.
Omg i was waiting all week for this (im broke ok?) so I caught up rewatching the show Versailles 😂
Listening to these videos, I have come to the realisation that I live a boring and uneventful life, and I want to keep it that way.
“The 32 year old woman received a proposal from her 15 year old nephew, the son of her own half brother. But the marriage would be inappropriate.”
No dip, Sherlock.
Dauphin not Dauphine unless his son was female???
Like most kings Louis XIV not only is he a terrible husband but also a bad father
Don’t know if it’s possible to verify this but I read of a story that when Louis XIV was young (teenager I guess?) he had a brief fling with the daughter of one of the gardeners at the palace and she gave birth to a daughter. Don’t know if there’s any way to verify such a story.
Interesting likely would’ve happened after the young King’s Mother asked her
friend to deflower her son
The promo code on screen showed at HOLIDAY10 but you said HISTORY10??
I love your documentaries.
We never know to much about Queen Elizabeth II cousins children. That’ll be Queen Elizabeth II (2nd Cousins). That’ll be an interesting video about them and their lives.
why? THey are private individuals
There are so many books out on genealogy for English kings and queens but nothing about the French Kings and Queens as in lineage except in French that I can find.
I do genealogy for people
@@annm.7176 how nice I guess?
stop copying the tripe on Wikipedia.
Another fascinating video! 😊
Are the photos / paintings of the real person? I’m guessing they are. Sometime the women all look alike / same person, especially in group photos. Maybe the way they were painted. I notice this in a few of your stories. I enjoy your videos, very interesting. Thank you 😊
Palais Bourbon, not Palace Bourbon.
My goodness smallpox absolutely ravaged even the court...
21:04 wrong. He was a 'Grandchild of France. Plus that's a portrait of her younger sister Louise Françoise.
please you should make another royal family genealogy, that would be great, please :)
Almost everyone's name is either Louis, Francois, or Marie! It's hard to keep track of all these people!
My ex-husband was a true Frenchman, American-born (his mom was an immigrant) but he never told me any of this.
It’s terrible Louie the junior was punished. For being groomed and taken advantage of by grown men! He was victim! I know back then people didn’t feel this way but that’s so sad that he was estranged from his father and trying to impress him at the time he passed away,
0:51 that's a portrait of Louis' great-great grandson...
Palais Bourbon. Not Palace Bourbon.
A rare thing, a monarch legitimizing his children (rightly so I say!)