Thank you for making this video. It's a topic some born and raised black muslims have. We are far and few in between but we are still out here and proud of who we are. Many of us are breaking the cycle and building from our own small families. Having seen and continue to see the negatives of our community we know what needs to be done to see change. Over throwing monarchy like masjids has proven difficult and many maintain their deen on their own. It does feel like you are on an Island at times.
@@islamichistorypodcast Who captured the slaves in Africa? Who was the middle man European and the converted slaves? Arab your masters! Why all the north Africa is no longer black like he used to be before your master Arab come ?’ Where were The biggest markets in Africa? Mauritania/ Morocco, Tunisia, etc
1. Lack of leadership 2. Lack of community spirit 3. Lack of cooperation 4. Lack of education/high paying professionals 5. Lack of entrepreneurs/small businesses 6. Lack of priorities 7. Lack of integrity 8. Lack of foresight 9. Lack of islamic knowledge 10. Lack of self love
@@menacemini4894faith doesn’t provide everything. And what it does provide, you have to sacrifice your nafs ( lower self) to get it. Plus there are levels to faith. Let me know if you need more information on these concepts and I will be happy to help.
l had a good feeling you was going to mention “individualism” in this video. One of the main reason why I love being Somali is because most of us aren’t individualistic. Being individual can hold you back. Like you said “Individualism and poverty” is a bad combination. People need to remember the way you can go forward is to have a natural community spirit within your people if you want to thrive. Reject individualism!
You raise some good points. But it really is all about communal solidarity which Islam encourages. As a Somali - we are very fragmented on clan lines and our organization and leadership is often inept. But on matters of religion and perpetrating faith in Islam they will come together. Perhaps establish a susu for black American Muslims as a starting point for building solidarity. One thing to note is in the Somali community trust is a given when raising money or organizing an investment. If a person doesn't live up to the trust - they will never be able to receive investment or be entrusted with money. So there is a real social and financial incentive to come through. This trust will take time to build in the black American muslim community.
As salaam Aleykum, the fact that you have and are even aware of the concept of a clan speaks volumes. Given the social, cultural, and historical circumstances that we and others have had here in this land over the past 400 years, establishing ourselves as a clan rooted in the Quran in Sunnah, much less than that of a Tribe, would be a monumental accomplishment.
Great point. I want and will do a sort of susu. And interesting perspective, black folks in America think that other people of other cultures have differences, diffrent tribes etc. But come together for religion. That makes sense
Arab Muslim community is racist by default to "black muslim" because they conquered and raped them into submission hence why they don't want their arab children marrying black muslims as they are their servants in their eyes. To be black and muslim is to be be gay and muslim, it doesn't make sense.
My wife and I talk about this issue a lot. And we see here in Newark New Jersey that there is a stark difference between the black Americans and Caribbean Americans, and black immigrants. And your TH-cam video shares this difference is also present amongst the Muslim variants of the same. I encourage you to check out the East Orange Black American Muslim communities. The growth here is large over the last two decades. We have a full time school Alhamdulillah. And a strong community. But they don’t stick around in every case. Instead they go to places that are more economical if their careers can afford it. My wife was/is a doctor at the local university hospital and she sees the cases that plague black families here. Crime. Gangs. Gun shots. Knife stabbing. Drugs. Another someone is a drug rehab doctor in Philadelphia. The things he sees are the same. Even in Black American Muslim communities. The problems here are real. And it confounds me why Islam is not solving many of the issues that it normally cleans up elsewhere.
Alhumdulillah. May Allah continue to bless you. Thank you for sharing this knowledge. You have really assisted us in a better understanding of some of our challenges. Food for thought
Muslims overlook Elijah Muhammad and his economic program in his drive for success. You have to remember that when the ONOI started, it was during the Great Depression. Many people at the time were on the welfare rules and one of the major accomplishments were after a few short years many of them were completely off of welfare and working either in their own businesses or in some other capacity. Elijah Muhammad taught us that heaven was here on Earth and Heaven had to be built, and it was going to take hard work and dedication. That is one of the reasons why his community thrived.
The NOI's track record of creating black small business owners is admirable. Also, their refusal to rely on government handouts (welfare) was also noble. However, the NOI back then was a top-down organization where the members believed their leader was sent by God. Strict obedience was demanded of NOI members inside and outside the temple. Those methods probably wouldn't work in today's world.
@@islamichistorypodcast How many mosques from immigrant communities are built with money from the Middle East and maintained by governmental grants to spy on the communities? Not mentioning all the money laundering that's going on. No, I did not have this from the media since I have not watched MSM for more than a decade it's what I have seen and heard from within. I am not saying this to be mean or discouraging but I don't want you to feel bad thinking others are doing better. Yes, you still have to take responsibility and do better but please don't compare yourself with others thinking they are doing better than you. Just do better for yourself and your community.
@islamichistorypodcast African Americans needed Elijah Muhammad We couldn't believe in unity until we got our respect first. Remember there is no stronger religion stronger than whote supremacy
As Somalis. We make a donations to the masjid. Fridays, Ramadan eids. Large donations wich is more than enough to cover all the expenses. Yes. We rather live around the masjid
In London, the spirit of the Muslim ummah is strong in the youth. nationalist and ethno-nationalist ideas are wholly rejected. a unified identity is being built and we are all contributing to this new identity with all the goods from all our different cultures in London the average Muslim guy wears a Moroccan thobe, eats Somali platters after jummah and drinks south asian karak or Malaysian teh ais. I hope this is the development for all muslimeen across the globe multiculturalism has been an overall positive for us. This is in contrast to 10 years ago when on my road there were 3 small mosques an Algerian Somali and an Afghan mosque. when u went inside one of these mosques majority of the attendants were clearly of the same origin but now the opposite is true all these mosques can barely cater to the community that is so large that all the mosques are full to the brim, so therefore now all the attendants are mixed the persons on ur left and right can be from cultures as far different as Jamaica and the Philippines. Also with this unified strong culture people have reverted to join us recently the majority of whom are also from other London immigrant communities like Caribbeans and non-muslim south Asians also youths from ethnic Muslim communities that suffered from secularism and a decline of religiousness like Albanians Turks and Egyptians have revived Islam in their lives and are more pious than there parents.
Assalaamu Alaikum Brother. Thank you for this outstanding commentary. I truly appreciate it as it resonates with what i have found to be true. I live in NC, but i am a Midwesterner by birth. When i moved to NC, i was thrilled to find an apartment within walking distance of a neighborhood masjid. I'd hoped to take classes and get involved with a group of sisters. Sadly, none of this has happened and i've been here 5 years now. I've had to find "work arounds" to keep myself buoyed as a Muslim; a VA area friend teaches me tajweed by phone for example. And, i take it upon myself to collect canned goods to transport to the Masjid for those in need on Fridays. What's really heartbreaking is that the Masjid is dark and (virtually) shuttered outside the 5 prayer times, with no sign of life. And, i can't remember the last time i heard the adhan (in spite of the fact that our non-Muslim neighbors voted in favor of allowing it to be called). May Allah (swt) will help us to grow and thrive while earning His favor.
Wa Alaykum Salam, Sister. I've seen the same thing. Earlier this year, my family and I drove north from Georgia and passed through a fairly large city in NC (I won't say which one.) We used Google Maps to find a local Masjid to stop and pray. It was in the hood, but that wasn't an issue. We stuck around for about 30 minutes, but we never saw anyone open the Masjid and all the doors were locked.
Masha'Allah this is a short, but very good video. I agree with your advice and pray that the situation will be improved. The points you made at the end are VERY important. Without a cohesive family, it's just about impossible to build a good and productive society.
Wow! This was very insightful! The individualism is real! This video and more like them is absolutely necessary! I agree on so many levels. I really admire the Somali Muslim community’s they really build and stand together. I have probably 1 black American Muslim friend and when we tried to build and network her and her husband they just don’t want to do anything together. I go to my other than black American Muslim and they’re like let’s work together. Smh.
Thank you for the information you did great ! Don't feel bad for your choice of words. We're called black by the matrix/the machine or principalities that have disdain for our our identity in God or for being the first creation of man kind. I am Somali/black and what immigrants Muslim do is they collect money from the uncles and aunties of the community. So thousands of people are donating thousands of dollars. Sheikh I really think black Muslims have to unite to unite against poverty and oppression.
It has to do with the legacy of Jim Crow and redlining. Also loss of communal ties. Also, how immigrants come to this country matters. Nigerians tend to be higher income and more educated (people who are favored by US immigration law) while like you said Somalis tend to be refugees and lack knowledge of English. Not just in Muslim groups. South Sudanese people face a lot of poverty in the US because many came as refugees from the Second Sudan Civil War and Darfur Genocide. Even though English is an offical language in Sudan/South Sudanese it is not widely known. These type of groups as refugees tend to go to cheaper areas and cities that are deindustrializing a lot of times because of American segregation relegating them to similar outcomes as African-Americans
I agree we (black Americans) are still suffering from the impact of Jim Crow, red lining, crack epidemic, police brutality, mass incarceration, and much more. However, even with all that, we have the same - if not more - opportunities as Somali and Sudanese immigrants.
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This was very interesting. I like your perspective. We really need to have more conversations like this and find solutions to some of these issues. May Allah help us. Ameen.
The best way to minimize poverty in the black community. We need more black farmers. We need to buy more land. You want to enrich the black community. We need black owned grocery stores. Not only that, we need black owned hospitals. When you can secure resources like food and water. You really don't need your local government or federal government to excel exponentially in our country. Every black community across this country can have their own Black Wall Street. All we need is more black farmers in our communities.
Black Muslims own land all over this country. There was a small Muslim-owned town in upstate NY back in the day. There's a Muslim village in Mississippi. I also know a brother with a farm in rural Georgia. He slaughters and sells halal meat. With time and stronger Muslim family networks, I believe we will eventually close the wealth gap, Insha'Allah.
@marlonhosten4693 is the NOI willing to share that wealth of information to other melanated Muslims outside of NOI for the sake of building up generational wealth in the Ummah?? The ones who already hold the blue print can spread the love instead of starting from the bottom up again. Maybe hold seminars and gatherings in each state and city. Where those willing to learn can even come to their mosques. In Sha Allah
The question should be why is black people poorer cause black Christian’s Jews and Muslims are suffering as a matter of fact America as a who.e is suffering
What I have seen living in Georgia and is close as well as visit Masjid Momineen oftern, when I visit the "Black Masjids"(Born in US) and see how the Masjid is over decades of not growing is that the Leadership do not want the community to grow and Most of the Leaders are Greedy and sneaky! Seeing millions of dollars at a time and not being transparent to the community can become a corrupt combination. Either or I continur making dua. Brother is explaining the situation quite well. See I remember the 2 houses when i came to GA back in 2005.
@islamichistorypodcast i slightly agree. I know one Masjid in Lithonia is settled in their ways. I do not see them incorporating new methods cause the way the Leadership been acting for Years, they do not want to grow........... On the other hand, you mentioned WD Muhammad community, Atlanta Masjid of Al-Islam. They do alot for the community, but too many rumors dealing with money. I volunteer often there, and they do not do a lot of fundraising, but they do ask for money a lot, and have a program through Ramadan called 30k for 30 days. Nice observation ahki As Salaamu Alaikum wa Rahmahtuillahi wa Barakhatuhu
This very topic I've been discussing for decades. And my conclusion is that we must be disturbed by these realities in order for anything to change. Often what complicates these matters even more, is generational disconnection takes hold . Due to the fact there often isn't any coherent collective goals , and as a result the outer culture of the non Muslims overtakes the youth destroying linear development for the community.
Thank you for emphasizing not following American culture as we are Muslims and should not normalize premarital sex and leaving home at 18. Those lifestyle practices fuel poverty.
Thank you for introducing this interesting and important topic. May I suggest that all of us are cautious when advising sisters to obey their husbands (12:49). As a reminder, we sisters are to obey Allah(swt) foremost and if our marriages are blessed our husbands will do the same. Too many marriages have failed because of lack of understanding regarding the rights and responsibilities of spouses and children among other things, ideally before marriage. Unfortunately, we are not exempt from abusive relationships even though this is unislamic. The history of the MGT (Muslim Girls Training) which began under the guidance of the "Honorable" Clara Muhammad (ra) could serve as a model with variations as needed. Other organizational skills of the NOI are also to be commended. I think it would be very beneficial for every community to include or consider this kind of training.
What I am going to share, is from my perspective alone; I am not Black, and I can only barely imagine what it's like to be black, in America, given the horrific History. I am only going to state observable Facts, from my own Community. Bismillah: Because immigrant communities focus on concentrating all of their resources on sending their Children to school (for one of "The Holy Trinity" careers; Dr., Lawyer, &/or Engineer..).. While indiginous black Muslims tend to want some form of recourse (for America's past) from those now successful offspring(s). How do I know this? I am a convert, and was directly involved in serving (at the grass roots level) America's 1st accredited Muslim College. And, the challenge I described here, is what drove our Grassroots efforts into a massive community division... But also, that division allowed for said College to finally achieve its goal. As I stated, I am not Black. So, I don't know how to solve that challenge; instead, I am white. And, I have my own Challenges to grapple with. Like, for example, my Family viewing me as a traitor (for being Muslim), and how Muslims (en masse) treat me like (strictly based on account of my skin color) I'm supposed to be wealthy... And, I'm supposed to do that, without any REAL (no strings attached/Fi Sabililleh) support. Other than that, what you described after the second half of this video, is spot on point. Looking for a Leader... Instead of Leading oneself, is a huge challenge. Allah Bless us all with True Success (Ameen).
@islamichistorypodcast Wa Iyyakoum, Seyyidi; Yaa Marhaba. If you found anything beneficial, it is from Allah. If you found anything distasteful/disrespectful, it was/is from my own ignorance & blindspots; I would (therefore) Respectfully request you'd please forgive me, and maybe offer counsel, if so, Seyyidi. Allah & Our Master Muhammad, Know Best. Salam 'Alaykoum, waRahmatoullah 💪🏼🕋💚
It depends on what you consider "Black American culture." Black American culture is just a subset of American culture. We have our language, customs, idioms, food, etc. Most of that stays intact when we accept Islam. However, some of it must be left behind (such as pork and the church.)
I noticed that new immigrant Muslims will work together. The husband and wife appear to be a team. Imagine being on the bottom and working against each other.
Perhaps you've never been to the United States but many cities here have neighborhoods with one or two dominant ethnic groups. That's how you get neighborhoods like Chinatown, Harlem, and Little Italy. When the people in those areas build mosques, they will be the dominant group in that mosque.
As Salaam Alaakum Ahki, I think you touched on it. Black American Muslim , have Masjids but don't have communities, the other difference is, one Colonialised and the other group enslaved. THE MOST HON ELIJAH MUHAMMAD, GAVE THE ANSWERS, AND IT UNITE, COME TOGETER AND POOL YOUR RESOURCES. ANOTHER IS ACCEPTE YOUR OWN AND BE YOURSELF.
@@islamichistorypodcast Jazka Allah khair, Yes sir. I not trying to put our Theology on you. But for Black people, who were enslaved, HE gave us the economic blue print. He said said that most important thing was the knowledge of self. Similar to what Prophet Muhammad pbuh said. Aki African Americans have money but we spend it with others than our own.
EXACTLY, sunni muslims attack me for acknowledging the good that Elijah Muhammad taught us. The Nation in 1975 had a Net worth of $70 million that included businesses, restaurants, bakeries, grocery stores, real estate etc. Sunni muslims love to brag that they have the right Aqueedah, however, African American muslims have built NOTHING FOR THEMSELVES IN EIGHT DECADES !
@@islamichistorypodcastJust disagree with their theology? No no no, as ACTUAL Muslims we HATE the NOI who are culture vultures of Islam, cultural appropriators of it, a sect that murdered our brother Malcolm and a had a pedophile rapist Dajjal false-messiah for leader. A real Muslim doesn't care about skin color of kuffar. Speak like a Muslim akhi, your replies to these kuffar are way too mild. As Muslims we don't just "disagree" with the NOI, we don't associate with them at all. Murderers of Malcolm who make a MOCKERY out of Islam with their lies and outrageous cult-like theories. There is so much wrong with the NOI the examples are too much for just one comment.
It would seem like most immigrant communities focus on Islamic studies, whereas most African American Muslim communities (in the modern era) cling more to their cultural identity and there isn’t as much of a push to study Islamic studies.
@@islamichistorypodcast it does-aligning your values to Islam create spiritual growth and protect you more from the temptations of shaytan. Spiritually broken communities will cling to the illusion their masters create for them. Whereas Spiritually liberated people are dangerous to society-hence why they kill off people like Malcom (رحمة الله عليه) whom called people to unity. Can’t be having people unified-so they started to systematically break down society (starting with things like Section 8, modern day rap, social media, media, etc). Now theirs so much infighting, the ogs of WD Muhammad generation were from observation the only real group that pursued some kind of Islamic knowledge. The later generations focused moreso on American propaganda-one of Masjids was singing tupac on poetry night to me says it all. When the community would rather cling to hood ideologies instead of being real men like the ambiya AS and salifus salih then of course there will be a domino effect of issues including being poor.
Sad to say that we black Americans focus more on black nationalism. However there are exceptions not all but most of black Americans do. I have been invited to halaqa gatherings and the main focus will be worldly matters and not Quran and hadith. Like the brother said we are Muslim first.
That video clip of Somalia was taken from a stick video site. I did not create it. I understand your frustration but it would take a lot of work to remove the clip and add a new one.
Because other communities have all Muslims from all kind of backgrounds North Africans, Middle Eastern, Asians Pakistani Sudanese. The only problem is with black brothers. They don’t want to mix with other Muslims and this is the problem in Islam. We all one body you have to function with all your body parts otherwise you’re always will lack of something important. Mosques are the houses of Allah under his eyes we all won kind brothers in Islam.
Isn't follow W.D Muhammad just a transition into orthodox Sunni Islam? How is it distinct or different from your typical Sunni Islam? I have working knowledge of the fundamental change and transformation that WD Muhammad did after his father died but didn't know he had his own madhab so to speak.
Very interesting Think about this even when black men change religion and therefore culture they are still poor? Could it be institutional racism or not working hard enough
In general we are stuck in our little boxes, putting our religion and location first. Which stops us from producing our own food, clothe and shelter. Ture wealth is the land which we don't understand 😮
Maybe you are. Muslims are Muslim first. When we stand before the Almighty for judgement, He is not going to ask, nor will He care, about our skin color in this life.
@@islamichistorypodcast The almighty might not care about your skin color, but he will care about your deeds. Where were these Muslims when those slave ships were being loaded with Africans bound for the New World? Some helped load those ships while stealing lands they now claim as their own. Where were the Muslims when Blacks were facing the harshest slavery ever known in human history? Where were the Muslims when Blacks were being hunted down and lynched? They were nowhere to be found. Where are these Muslims now as the Palestinians are getting slaughtered for the past year? They have endured this brutality for over 76 years. Your video is titled, "Why are Black Muslims Poor(er)?" Where are those Muslim nations at present with oil wealth to assist the Black Muslims with their bare necessities? They are nowhere to be found. I said We Are Black First because it appears we have no friends, allies, or supporters, whether they be non-Black Christian or Muslim. We only have ourselves and the Holy Spirit, whether you are Muslim, Christian, or Atheist.
I think it’s more than three types of black Muslims. I think those in the hood/impoverished areas, those that go to prison, and sufis, then the rest are their own group
The great african king,his wife,and their son...Why are all those Europeans GYRATING around that TEKKEN in st peters Square..A symbol that was erected for this king in africa..Who are these people that has taken the anatomy of africans and placed them in musuems around the world..All this within thousands of years before islam,or Muhammed was invented or born.. The fact that islam,judaism,and Christianity are all composite spiritual practices😮 Stories and folklore taken directly from the history of black african people...Surely you black muslim,Christians and socall judaist cannot believe that anything good could come from the keepers of this faith
@MichaelSimpson-t1x Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim-pbuh) is known as the Father of the three monotheistic faiths. It was he who began the abolishment of paganism (idol worship) thousands of years ago. Other great prophets followed this core principle and also endured much hardship while trying to continue teaching. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a descendant of Prophet Abraham. He, like the other great prophets before him, continued to defend monotheism. Unfortunately, those who do not accept reality and many others continue to distort the truth. Another problem (among many) are common childish attacks on aspects of Islam or Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instead of peaceful dialogue or silence. You might be surprised how many individuals do not know the meaning of the words Islam, Muslim, polytheism, monotheism, and microtheism to cite a few, yet they are among the first to blindly attack Islam. Please remember that we all need clean air, water, soil, safe and unexploited energy, justice and peace.. I pray that more of us will unite with concern and action for these fundamental needs . Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is known as the #1 most influential man in history for reasons such as these including his honesty and trustworthiness. Peace and prayers
Thank you for making this video. It's a topic some born and raised black muslims have. We are far and few in between but we are still out here and proud of who we are. Many of us are breaking the cycle and building from our own small families. Having seen and continue to see the negatives of our community we know what needs to be done to see change.
Over throwing monarchy like masjids has proven difficult and many maintain their deen on their own. It does feel like you are on an Island at times.
I am born and raised black Muslim also, descended from enslaved Americans.
I know the feeling.
@@islamichistorypodcast
Who captured the slaves in Africa? Who was the middle man European and the converted slaves?
Arab your masters!
Why all the north Africa is no longer black like he used to be before your master Arab come ?’
Where were
The biggest markets in Africa?
Mauritania/ Morocco, Tunisia, etc
1. Lack of leadership
2. Lack of community spirit
3. Lack of cooperation
4. Lack of education/high paying professionals
5. Lack of entrepreneurs/small businesses
6. Lack of priorities
7. Lack of integrity
8. Lack of foresight
9. Lack of islamic knowledge
10. Lack of self love
Great points
@@aaas6348how do you lack so much if your faith provides everything ?
@@menacemini4894🤔
Yeah sounds about right
@@menacemini4894faith doesn’t provide everything. And what it does provide, you have to sacrifice your nafs ( lower self) to get it. Plus there are levels to faith. Let me know if you need more information on these concepts and I will be happy to help.
Salaam alaekum brother! As an immigrant who grew up in the African American community, this is so apt and a perfect nail on the head.
Wa Alaykum Salaam Akh. Thank you!
l had a good feeling you was going to mention “individualism” in this video. One of the main reason why I love being Somali is because most of us aren’t individualistic. Being individual can hold you back. Like you said “Individualism and poverty” is a bad combination. People need to remember the way you can go forward is to have a natural community spirit within your people if you want to thrive.
Reject individualism!
I'm only just coming to that realization myself. May Allah guide us all.
You're all over the world because of civil war. I don't understand this stone throwing from glass houses.
You raise some good points. But it really is all about communal solidarity which Islam encourages. As a Somali - we are very fragmented on clan lines and our organization and leadership is often inept. But on matters of religion and perpetrating faith in Islam they will come together. Perhaps establish a susu for black American Muslims as a starting point for building solidarity. One thing to note is in the Somali community trust is a given when raising money or organizing an investment. If a person doesn't live up to the trust - they will never be able to receive investment or be entrusted with money. So there is a real social and financial incentive to come through. This trust will take time to build in the black American muslim community.
Thank you for your insight.
As salaam Aleykum, the fact that you have and are even aware of the concept of a clan speaks volumes. Given the social, cultural, and historical circumstances that we and others have had here in this land over the past 400 years, establishing ourselves as a clan rooted in the Quran in Sunnah, much less than that of a Tribe, would be a monumental accomplishment.
BLACK Muslims are poor because they're TRAITORS to our people.....Islam = the Greatest External ENEMY of us
Great point. I want and will do a sort of susu. And interesting perspective, black folks in America think that other people of other cultures have differences, diffrent tribes etc. But come together for religion. That makes sense
Arab Muslim community is racist by default to "black muslim" because they conquered and raped them into submission hence why they don't want their arab children marrying black muslims as they are their servants in their eyes. To be black and muslim is to be be gay and muslim, it doesn't make sense.
As salaamu alaikum, That was an EXCELLENT reflection akhi! May Allah reward you tremendously, aameen!
Wa Alaykum Salaam, thank you!
Salafi masjids are the most diverse, and loving communities. Masjid As Sahaba in columbus Ohio is one of them. Maa Shaa Allah
The black salafis are poor and ignorant though
💚 Liked, "Individualism & poverty is a bad combination." ~10/15/24~ 🌴
My wife and I talk about this issue a lot. And we see here in Newark New Jersey that there is a stark difference between the black Americans and Caribbean Americans, and black immigrants. And your TH-cam video shares this difference is also present amongst the Muslim variants of the same.
I encourage you to check out the East Orange Black American Muslim communities. The growth here is large over the last two decades. We have a full time school Alhamdulillah. And a strong community. But they don’t stick around in every case. Instead they go to places that are more economical if their careers can afford it.
My wife was/is a doctor at the local university hospital and she sees the cases that plague black families here. Crime. Gangs. Gun shots. Knife stabbing. Drugs. Another someone is a drug rehab doctor in Philadelphia. The things he sees are the same. Even in Black American Muslim communities.
The problems here are real. And it confounds me why Islam is not solving many of the issues that it normally cleans up elsewhere.
Alhamdulillah thank you for this insight. Insha'Allah, I will definitely check out the community next time I travel up north.
Alhumdulillah. May Allah continue to bless you. Thank you for sharing this knowledge. You have really assisted us in a better understanding of some of our challenges. Food for thought
Al hamdulillahi! Great work, do continue
Muslims overlook Elijah Muhammad and his economic program in his drive for success. You have to remember that when the ONOI started, it was during the Great Depression. Many people at the time were on the welfare rules and one of the major accomplishments were after a few short years many of them were completely off of welfare and working either in their own businesses or in some other capacity. Elijah Muhammad taught us that heaven was here on Earth and Heaven had to be built, and it was going to take hard work and dedication. That is one of the reasons why his community thrived.
The NOI's track record of creating black small business owners is admirable.
Also, their refusal to rely on government handouts (welfare) was also noble.
However, the NOI back then was a top-down organization where the members believed their leader was sent by God.
Strict obedience was demanded of NOI members inside and outside the temple.
Those methods probably wouldn't work in today's world.
@@islamichistorypodcast How many mosques from immigrant communities are built with money from the Middle East and maintained by governmental grants to spy on the communities? Not mentioning all the money laundering that's going on. No, I did not have this from the media since I have not watched MSM for more than a decade it's what I have seen and heard from within.
I am not saying this to be mean or discouraging but I don't want you to feel bad thinking others are doing better. Yes, you still have to take responsibility and do better but please don't compare yourself with others thinking they are doing better than you. Just do better for yourself and your community.
NOI aren't Muslims they commit shirk
@islamichistorypodcast African Americans needed Elijah Muhammad We couldn't believe in unity until we got our respect first. Remember there is no stronger religion stronger than whote supremacy
Exactly! Facts!
A+! Answered some lingering questions.
As Somalis. We make a donations to the masjid. Fridays, Ramadan eids. Large donations wich is more than enough to cover all the expenses. Yes. We rather live around the masjid
Alhamdulilah thank you bro.may ALLAH BLESS YOU TO KEEP TEACHING US MUSLIMS THIS WISDOM THAT WE ALL NEED
I like this new approach you are taking to your videos where we can see you, makes it much more engaging.
MashaAllah brother, this was amazing to hear. May Allah bless you for your efforts.
Ameen.
Assalamualaikum dear brother! Jazakh'AllahKhair for sharing this with us! May Allah guide us and help our communities thrive.🤲🏽❤️☝🏽
Wa Alaykum Salaam. Wa iyyakum, Ameen.
Masha Allah brother, Jazak Allah for taking the time and effort to put together this video
Salam Alaikum, Brother. You nailed it. "we have to reject the part of American culture that does not align with Islam."
In London, the spirit of the Muslim ummah is strong in the youth. nationalist and ethno-nationalist ideas are wholly rejected. a unified identity is being built and we are all contributing to this new identity with all the goods from all our different cultures in London the average Muslim guy wears a Moroccan thobe, eats Somali platters after jummah and drinks south asian karak or Malaysian teh ais. I hope this is the development for all muslimeen across the globe multiculturalism has been an overall positive for us. This is in contrast to 10 years ago when on my road there were 3 small mosques an Algerian Somali and an Afghan mosque. when u went inside one of these mosques majority of the attendants were clearly of the same origin but now the opposite is true all these mosques can barely cater to the community that is so large that all the mosques are full to the brim, so therefore now all the attendants are mixed the persons on ur left and right can be from cultures as far different as Jamaica and the Philippines. Also with this unified strong culture people have reverted to join us recently the majority of whom are also from other London immigrant communities like Caribbeans and non-muslim south Asians also youths from ethnic Muslim communities that suffered from secularism and a decline of religiousness like Albanians Turks and Egyptians have revived Islam in their lives and are more pious than there parents.
If what you say is true about the Muslims in London, that's a good thing.
Excellent analysis
ماشاء الله لك قبول وكلامك منطقي ومتزن وتحليل ورسالة حكيمة اعان الله مسلمين امريكا وخاصة مجتمع المسلمين الامريكين السود الكرام ❤❤
Subhan'Allaah phenomenal video
Alhamdulillah, thank you!
@@islamichistorypodcast we thank Allaah Azzwajal keep keeping on‼️
Assalaamu Alaikum Brother. Thank you for this outstanding commentary. I truly appreciate it as it resonates with what i have found to be true. I live in NC, but i am a Midwesterner by birth. When i moved to NC, i was thrilled to find an apartment within walking distance of a neighborhood masjid. I'd hoped to take classes and get involved with a group of sisters. Sadly, none of this has happened and i've been here 5 years now. I've had to find "work arounds" to keep myself buoyed as a Muslim; a VA area friend teaches me tajweed by phone for example. And, i take it upon myself to collect canned goods to transport to the Masjid for those in need on Fridays. What's really heartbreaking is that the Masjid is dark and (virtually) shuttered outside the 5 prayer times, with no sign of life. And, i can't remember the last time i heard the adhan (in spite of the fact that our non-Muslim neighbors voted in favor of allowing it to be called). May Allah (swt) will help us to grow and thrive while earning His favor.
Wa Alaykum Salam, Sister.
I've seen the same thing. Earlier this year, my family and I drove north from Georgia and passed through a fairly large city in NC (I won't say which one.)
We used Google Maps to find a local Masjid to stop and pray. It was in the hood, but that wasn't an issue.
We stuck around for about 30 minutes, but we never saw anyone open the Masjid and all the doors were locked.
Spot on brother. Thank you
Masha'Allah this is a short, but very good video. I agree with your advice and pray that the situation will be improved. The points you made at the end are VERY important. Without a cohesive family, it's just about impossible to build a good and productive society.
Alhamdulillah, thank you.
This was good and clear. Thanks
Self-hatred and a misunderstanding of thinking that working with one’s ethnic group is “nationalism” or “‘asaabiyah.”
Great video a great points your advice was good and I pray many heed your advice
Ameen!
Mashallah Beautiful and informative video
Alhamdulillah
Wow! This was very insightful! The individualism is real! This video and more like them is absolutely necessary! I agree on so many levels. I really admire the Somali Muslim community’s they really build and stand together. I have probably 1 black American Muslim friend and when we tried to build and network her and her husband they just don’t want to do anything together. I go to my other than black American Muslim and they’re like let’s work together. Smh.
Masha'Allah. We have a lot of work to do. May Allah help us all, Ameen.
May Allah SWT bless you and increase you in beneficial knowledge
Ameen.
Thank you for the information you did great ! Don't feel bad for your choice of words. We're called black by the matrix/the machine or principalities that have disdain for our our identity in God or for being the first creation of man kind. I am Somali/black and what immigrants Muslim do is they collect money from the uncles and aunties of the community. So thousands of people are donating thousands of dollars. Sheikh I really think black Muslims have to unite to unite against poverty and oppression.
It has to do with the legacy of Jim Crow and redlining. Also loss of communal ties. Also, how immigrants come to this country matters. Nigerians tend to be higher income and more educated (people who are favored by US immigration law) while like you said Somalis tend to be refugees and lack knowledge of English. Not just in Muslim groups. South Sudanese people face a lot of poverty in the US because many came as refugees from the Second Sudan Civil War and Darfur Genocide. Even though English is an offical language in Sudan/South Sudanese it is not widely known. These type of groups as refugees tend to go to cheaper areas and cities that are deindustrializing a lot of times because of American segregation relegating them to similar outcomes as African-Americans
I agree we (black Americans) are still suffering from the impact of Jim Crow, red lining, crack epidemic, police brutality, mass incarceration, and much more.
However, even with all that, we have the same - if not more - opportunities as Somali and Sudanese immigrants.
Excellent content. Loved the advice at the end. I 100% agree with your point of view and solutions you advised 👍
Not true. Among the poorest black nations are South Sudan 🇸🇸, Burundi 🇧🇮, DR Congo 🇨🇩, Malawi 🇲🇼, and Liberia 🇱🇷, and they are majority Christian. The only Muslim-majority on the list is Niger 🇳🇪.
This was very interesting. I like your perspective. We really need to have more conversations like this and find solutions to some of these issues. May Allah help us. Ameen.
Ameen and thank you.
The best way to minimize poverty in the black community. We need more black farmers. We need to buy more land. You want to enrich the black community. We need black owned grocery stores. Not only that, we need black owned hospitals. When you can secure resources like food and water. You really don't need your local government or federal government to excel exponentially in our country. Every black community across this country can have their own Black Wall Street. All we need is more black farmers in our communities.
One thing about the Nation of Islam, they knew how to purchase land and do all the things you mentioned above !
Black Muslims own land all over this country.
There was a small Muslim-owned town in upstate NY back in the day.
There's a Muslim village in Mississippi.
I also know a brother with a farm in rural Georgia. He slaughters and sells halal meat.
With time and stronger Muslim family networks, I believe we will eventually close the wealth gap, Insha'Allah.
@@islamichistorypodcast agreed, sustaining any ideas is simply not sustainable without the family nucleus
@marlonhosten4693 is the NOI willing to share that wealth of information to other melanated Muslims outside of NOI for the sake of building up generational wealth in the Ummah?? The ones who already hold the blue print can spread the love instead of starting from the bottom up again.
Maybe hold seminars and gatherings in each state and city. Where those willing to learn can even come to their mosques. In Sha Allah
@@tiffneykhadijah The Blueprint is 3 teachings of Elijah Muhammad.
1. DO FOR SELF
2. LAND OF OUR OWN
3. THE FOI
Spot on
The question should be why is black people poorer cause black Christian’s Jews and Muslims are suffering as a matter of fact America as a who.e is suffering
You're right about that.
This was very good
MA great episode!
As Salaam aleykum. Well done brother.
Wa Alaykum Salaam, thank you!
Many great points that are true.
Very well explained.
What I have seen living in Georgia and is close as well as visit Masjid Momineen oftern, when I visit the "Black Masjids"(Born in US) and see how the Masjid is over decades of not growing is that the Leadership do not want the community to grow and Most of the Leaders are Greedy and sneaky!
Seeing millions of dollars at a time and not being transparent to the community can become a corrupt combination.
Either or I continur making dua.
Brother is explaining the situation quite well.
See I remember the 2 houses when i came to GA back in 2005.
A lot of "black Masaajid" are also using outdated fundraising methods.
The Friday donation bucket is not enough to sustain a community.
@islamichistorypodcast i slightly agree.
I know one Masjid in Lithonia is settled in their ways. I do not see them incorporating new methods cause the way the Leadership been acting for Years, they do not want to grow...........
On the other hand, you mentioned WD Muhammad community, Atlanta Masjid of Al-Islam. They do alot for the community, but too many rumors dealing with money. I volunteer often there, and they do not do a lot of fundraising, but they do ask for money a lot, and have a program through Ramadan called 30k for 30 days.
Nice observation ahki
As Salaamu Alaikum wa Rahmahtuillahi wa Barakhatuhu
This very topic I've been discussing for decades. And my conclusion is that we must be disturbed by these realities in order for anything to change. Often what complicates these matters even more, is generational disconnection takes hold . Due to the fact there often isn't any coherent collective goals , and as a result the outer culture of the non Muslims overtakes the youth destroying linear development for the community.
Fact. Urban Amerikka is a prime example. The muslim youth sometimes take on the ways of non believers.
Thank you for emphasizing not following American culture as we are Muslims and should not normalize premarital sex and leaving home at 18. Those lifestyle practices fuel poverty.
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factz
Great points, now what do we do next
Watch to the end of the video.
We just gotta make it happen!!
Thank you for introducing this interesting and important topic. May I suggest that all of us are cautious when advising sisters to obey their husbands (12:49).
As a reminder, we sisters are to obey Allah(swt) foremost and if our marriages are blessed our husbands will do the same. Too many marriages have failed because of lack of understanding regarding the rights and responsibilities of spouses and children among other things, ideally before marriage. Unfortunately, we are not exempt from abusive relationships even though this is unislamic.
The history of the MGT (Muslim Girls Training) which began under the guidance of the "Honorable" Clara Muhammad (ra) could serve as a model with variations as needed. Other organizational skills of the NOI are also to be commended. I think it would be very beneficial for every community to include or consider this kind of training.
Thank you for your insight and the advice.
Obedience to Allah is always first and foremost.
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I really had to laugh out loud while crying inside
I WISH you are right
The ones I've seen have board meetings, elections, and stuff like that. But you're right, they're far from perfect.
What I am going to share, is from my perspective alone; I am not Black, and I can only barely imagine what it's like to be black, in America, given the horrific History. I am only going to state observable Facts, from my own Community.
Bismillah: Because immigrant communities focus on concentrating all of their resources on sending their Children to school (for one of "The Holy Trinity" careers; Dr., Lawyer, &/or Engineer..).. While indiginous black Muslims tend to want some form of recourse (for America's past) from those now successful offspring(s). How do I know this? I am a convert, and was directly involved in serving (at the grass roots level) America's 1st accredited Muslim College. And, the challenge I described here, is what drove our Grassroots efforts into a massive community division... But also, that division allowed for said College to finally achieve its goal.
As I stated, I am not Black. So, I don't know how to solve that challenge; instead, I am white. And, I have my own Challenges to grapple with. Like, for example, my Family viewing me as a traitor (for being Muslim), and how Muslims (en masse) treat me like (strictly based on account of my skin color) I'm supposed to be wealthy... And, I'm supposed to do that, without any REAL (no strings attached/Fi Sabililleh) support.
Other than that, what you described after the second half of this video, is spot on point. Looking for a Leader... Instead of Leading oneself, is a huge challenge.
Allah Bless us all with True Success (Ameen).
Ameen, thank you brother. What was the name of the school?
@islamichistorypodcast Wa Iyyakoum, Seyyidi; Yaa Marhaba. If you found anything beneficial, it is from Allah. If you found anything distasteful/disrespectful, it was/is from my own ignorance & blindspots; I would (therefore) Respectfully request you'd please forgive me, and maybe offer counsel, if so, Seyyidi.
Allah & Our Master Muhammad, Know Best.
Salam 'Alaykoum, waRahmatoullah 💪🏼🕋💚
Alhamdullilah ❤️
You a Trinidadian? We know the collective funding as Su Su
I am not Trinidadian. But I've known of many groups, including Trinis, who participated in su-su's
immigrant communities have thier culture intact language foods traditions ect while many black Americans dont
It depends on what you consider "Black American culture." Black American culture is just a subset of American culture. We have our language, customs, idioms, food, etc. Most of that stays intact when we accept Islam. However, some of it must be left behind (such as pork and the church.)
99.9% yes but we r black and muslim simultaneously.
I noticed that new immigrant Muslims will work together. The husband and wife appear to be a team. Imagine being on the bottom and working against each other.
In islam why should there be black and immigrant Muslim community, why aren't they all going to the same masjid
Perhaps you've never been to the United States but many cities here have neighborhoods with one or two dominant ethnic groups.
That's how you get neighborhoods like Chinatown, Harlem, and Little Italy.
When the people in those areas build mosques, they will be the dominant group in that mosque.
As Salaam Alaakum Ahki, I think you touched on it. Black American Muslim , have Masjids but don't have communities, the other difference is, one Colonialised and the other group enslaved. THE MOST HON ELIJAH MUHAMMAD, GAVE THE ANSWERS, AND IT UNITE, COME TOGETER AND POOL YOUR RESOURCES. ANOTHER IS ACCEPTE YOUR OWN AND BE YOURSELF.
Wa Alaykum Salaam.
Agreed. While we disagree with the theology of the NOI, they did offer many practical solutions for escaping poverty.
@@islamichistorypodcast Jazka Allah khair, Yes sir. I not trying to put our Theology on you. But for Black people, who were enslaved, HE gave us the economic blue print. He said said that most important thing was the knowledge of self. Similar to what Prophet Muhammad pbuh said. Aki African Americans have money but we spend it with others than our own.
EXACTLY, sunni muslims attack me for acknowledging the good that Elijah Muhammad taught us. The Nation in 1975 had a Net worth of $70 million that included businesses, restaurants, bakeries, grocery stores, real estate etc.
Sunni muslims love to brag that they have the right Aqueedah, however, African American muslims have built NOTHING FOR THEMSELVES IN EIGHT DECADES !
@@islamichistorypodcastJust disagree with their theology? No no no, as ACTUAL Muslims we HATE the NOI who are culture vultures of Islam, cultural appropriators of it, a sect that murdered our brother Malcolm and a had a pedophile rapist Dajjal false-messiah for leader. A real Muslim doesn't care about skin color of kuffar. Speak like a Muslim akhi, your replies to these kuffar are way too mild. As Muslims we don't just "disagree" with the NOI, we don't associate with them at all. Murderers of Malcolm who make a MOCKERY out of Islam with their lies and outrageous cult-like theories. There is so much wrong with the NOI the examples are too much for just one comment.
It would seem like most immigrant communities focus on Islamic studies, whereas most African American Muslim communities (in the modern era) cling more to their cultural identity and there isn’t as much of a push to study Islamic studies.
Not so
Even if that was true (and it isn't) that doesn't explain why immigrant communities have more money.
@@islamichistorypodcast it does-aligning your values to Islam create spiritual growth and protect you more from the temptations of shaytan. Spiritually broken communities will cling to the illusion their masters create for them. Whereas Spiritually liberated people are dangerous to society-hence why they kill off people like Malcom (رحمة الله عليه) whom called people to unity. Can’t be having people unified-so they started to systematically break down society (starting with things like Section 8, modern day rap, social media, media, etc). Now theirs so much infighting, the ogs of WD Muhammad generation were from observation the only real group that pursued some kind of Islamic knowledge. The later generations focused moreso on American propaganda-one of
Masjids was singing tupac on poetry night to me says it all. When the community would rather cling to hood ideologies instead of being real men like the ambiya AS and salifus salih then of course there will be a domino effect of issues including being poor.
Sad to say that we black Americans focus more on black nationalism. However there are exceptions not all but most of black Americans do. I have been invited to halaqa gatherings and the main focus will be worldly matters and not Quran and hadith. Like the brother said we are Muslim first.
@@islamichistorypodcast lol akhi i wrote you a essay-did you remove my comment?
There was music in the title.🥴
No there wasn't. Only drums.
Many immigrant muslim get involved in riba and other harams, unfortunately.
True, but so do a lot of Black American Muslims.
Not the nation of islam they getting things done
Not really.
@@islamichistorypodcast you have no proof brother that's not cool.
Please show the correct borders of Somalia. "Somaliland" is still legally part of Somalia.
That video clip of Somalia was taken from a stick video site. I did not create it.
I understand your frustration but it would take a lot of work to remove the clip and add a new one.
@@islamichistorypodcast i understand, sorry for the misunderstanding brother, assalamu alaikum.
Because other communities have all Muslims from all kind of backgrounds North Africans, Middle Eastern, Asians Pakistani Sudanese. The only problem is with black brothers. They don’t want to mix with other Muslims and this is the problem in Islam. We all one body you have to function with all your body parts otherwise you’re always will lack of something important. Mosques are the houses of Allah under his eyes we all won kind brothers in Islam.
Isn't follow W.D Muhammad just a transition into orthodox Sunni Islam? How is it distinct or different from your typical Sunni Islam? I have working knowledge of the fundamental change and transformation that WD Muhammad did after his father died but didn't know he had his own madhab so to speak.
WD Mohammed did not start his own madhhab. His group is just one segment of American Muslims. And they are quickly losing their uniqueness.
Imam WD Muhammad May Allah be pleased with him through black nationalism in the trash and because of that we have to suffer.
Very interesting
Think about this even when black men change religion and therefore culture they are still poor?
Could it be institutional racism or not working hard enough
Changing religion doesn't necessarily change culture. They may change or replace some parts of their culture. But most of it will still be in place.
What about inter generational trauma caused by slavery? Thats surely a factor?
In general we are stuck in our little boxes, putting our religion and location first. Which stops us from producing our own food, clothe and shelter. Ture wealth is the land which we don't understand 😮
Probably for the same reasons, a Country like Egypt is, compared to Jewish Israel, or Christian Poland.
It is idiotic to compare people to nations.
@@islamichistorypodcast "He who cannot offend, cannot be honest." Thomas Paine. Templar Knights rock.
We Are Black First!
Maybe you are. Muslims are Muslim first.
When we stand before the Almighty for judgement, He is not going to ask, nor will He care, about our skin color in this life.
@@islamichistorypodcast The almighty might not care about your skin color, but he will care about your deeds. Where were these Muslims when those slave ships were being loaded with Africans bound for the New World? Some helped load those ships while stealing lands they now claim as their own.
Where were the Muslims when Blacks were facing the harshest slavery ever known in human history? Where were the Muslims when Blacks were being hunted down and lynched? They were nowhere to be found.
Where are these Muslims now as the Palestinians are getting slaughtered for the past year? They have endured this brutality for over 76 years.
Your video is titled, "Why are Black Muslims Poor(er)?" Where are those Muslim nations at present with oil wealth to assist the Black Muslims with their bare necessities? They are nowhere to be found.
I said We Are Black First because it appears we have no friends, allies, or supporters, whether they be non-Black Christian or Muslim. We only have ourselves and the Holy Spirit, whether you are Muslim, Christian, or Atheist.
I think it’s more than three types of black Muslims. I think those in the hood/impoverished areas, those that go to prison, and sufis, then the rest are their own group
I was mostly talking about "ideology" or group.
Muslims who go to prison can be Salafi, or may follow WDM, or could even be Shia.
Extramarital affairs when in Islam you can have four wives
I said "extra-marital relationship" not affair.
And a second or third or fourth wife is a marriage. Not an affair.
@@islamichistorypodcast the search of a second third or fourth wife might as well be an affair
Why not take a note if Surah Al-Cave to have a deeper understanding of matters.
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You make my country map wrong correct your self
No
Sufi'ism isn't Islam. How can it be when it violates a fundemental principal of Islam, Tawhid?
"Sufi" is a broad term.
@islamichistorypodcast what do you mean Sufi is a broad term?
The great african king,his wife,and their son...Why are all those Europeans GYRATING around that TEKKEN in st peters Square..A symbol that was erected for this king in africa..Who are these people that has taken the anatomy of africans and placed them in musuems around the world..All this within thousands of years before islam,or Muhammed was invented or born.. The fact that islam,judaism,and Christianity are all composite spiritual practices😮 Stories and folklore taken directly from the history of black african people...Surely you black muslim,Christians and socall judaist cannot believe that anything good could come from the keepers of this faith
Stop being goofy.
@MichaelSimpson-t1x
Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim-pbuh) is known as the Father of the three monotheistic faiths. It was he who began the abolishment of paganism (idol worship) thousands of years ago. Other great prophets followed this core principle and also endured much hardship while trying to continue teaching. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a descendant of Prophet Abraham. He, like the other great prophets before him, continued to defend monotheism. Unfortunately, those who do not accept reality and many others continue to distort the truth. Another problem (among many) are common childish attacks on aspects of Islam or Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instead of peaceful dialogue or silence. You might be surprised how many individuals do not know the meaning of the words Islam, Muslim, polytheism, monotheism, and microtheism to cite a few, yet they are among the first to blindly attack Islam.
Please remember that we all need clean air, water, soil, safe and unexploited energy, justice and peace.. I pray that more of us will unite with concern and action for these fundamental needs . Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is known as the #1 most influential man in history for reasons such as these including his honesty and trustworthiness.
Peace and prayers
Cuz we are not suppose to follow dat religion it wasn’t meant for us
Bull. Islam is for everyone. And it's not like black non-Muslims are doing any better.
Excellent analysis