I've been super excited to see what they come up with as far as an XDEEP harness specifically designed for the SW. The little tidbit about possibly having the counter lung integrated is very exciting.
Great video Jonathan. Question. I the back mount configuration, I see the 80 cuft Diluent tank, but where is the O2 tank mounted? A WOW they will have a solenoid module to transform the whole shebang into an eCCR... Very interesting. I hope they are available for July, looks like I will be on the waiting list..... 🙂
The 80 cu ft is BOTH for diluent and bailout. This is a configuration for the rebreather for more recreational use (open water, relatively shallow), where you don't need two 80 cu ft tanks. The O2 bottle still goes across your butt like the sidemount configuration.
I personally LOVE the idea of using the sidewinder like this. In something like a more traditional back-mount rebreather (say, Revo, AP, Meg, etc.) you have a small bottle of dill on your back, but it's not large enough for bailout. So you carry a "sling bottle" of bailout. This bottle is hanging off of you on one side or the other, makes you out of balance, gets in the way of a camera, etc. With this configuration of the sidewinder, it moves that big bottle to your back, symmetrical, out of the way. The only downside is that your bailout and your dill have to be the same mix. But for 99% of recreational rebreather diving, that's fine and normal.
As a strong believer of the "complacency kills" theory, I'm not a fan of eCCR so I couldn't care less about that, but the rec/tech versatility is truly a game changer. No more awkward sidemount for boat dives on a mixed diving trip. Imagine a week in florida for caves w/ a couple lionfish control boat dives thrown in, or a trip south of the border for some charming cenotes with a couple boat dives throw in to experience the reefs. That said, I've never been a fan of lack of diluent redundancy on the KISS, but it's easy enough to strap a 3L bottle alongside the O2 and plumb it into the MAV/ADV, then have a QC6 whip on a Shrimp BOV which also permits adding gas to the loop. 3L dil also takes over wing inflation and drysuit gets a dedicated air/argon bottle. Provides redundant buoyancy control and redundant dil. The only single point of failure at that point is the O2, which _could_ be remedied by having a second O2 bottle w/ compensated first stage plumbed into a pure MAV (no CMF) which also eliminates the uncompensated O2 first stage depth limitation, but that's a point I think very few need to worry about including myself. Personally I'm fine with going SCR with dil-only in the _hopefully unlikely_ event of an O2 system failure or bailing out to OC.
Edd told me almost a year ago why fix it if it isn’t broken. I was not CCR certified at the time. I had read several of the reported advantages of the SW2 vs SW1. I now am sidewinder certified with 50 hours on the unit. I am also thinking for myself when would I ever need the SW2? I have the syntactic foam insulation on my unit but could still see myself wanting the SW2 in water below 55 degrees or so. I can also see myself wanting it if I were planning a total dive time beyond about 5 hours or so in the water I regularly dive (68 degrees F) but many many people have told me the unit is good to 6 hours in the water I dive and I have done 4 hours on the unit with color changing sorb and been amazed at how little color change had occurred in the exhalation side and none in the inhalation side. In fact, for me anyway, the SW1 is limited by the 2L O2 tank not sorb. SCR and a drop oxygen bottle can extend that. I can see this unit for very very long dives though. I can also appreciate it for a dual CCR setup where you have little or no bailout gas to speak of.
My understanding is that most of the changes came about from the need to get the unit through CE testing so the unit can be sold in Europe. They impose extreme "worst case" circumstances during testing (for the amount of CO2 that needs to be scrubbed and the temperature, for example) and then make measurements from there. Under the typical operating conditions that most people use the SW1 for, it performs perfectly well. However, it would struggle in the CE testing. So the answer is that for 99% of us diving the SW1, we really don't need a SW2, unless you happen to like some of the features that were added. But going forward, the SW2 is a good evolution of the unit. Just as you probably won't sell your car just to get the newer version, unless the new car has something you really want.
Reduced work-of-breathing and better sorb utilization efficiency is helpful for going deeper. Right now the meg is the go-to for expeditions with those requirements, but it's quite bulky by comparison. Imagine a cave like Roaring River Spring where there's a restriction then it opens up and is borehole down to at least 500ft/150m with no end in sight.
Thanks! I loved seeing a bit more about the changes they've made compared to the 1. I just wish it came out already. :D Was hoping to start CCR training in 2024 and would prefer not to buy a SW1 in the mean time just to sell it in a years time.
I believe the scrubber canisters themselves are identical, but as left and right you would probably have then rigged differently. Not sure why you would want to rotate them. What many people do is only change out the exhale side after a short dive and leave the largely unused inhale side packed.
@@BlueWorldplus 2*1.5 hour dives seems like a situation where rotating cannisters would make sense to optimize scrubber use. In the backmount configuration it doesn't look like there is much rigging involved. I'd be curious to see the unit setup for sidemount.
Im sure all the technicals are better/improved, i mainly noticed just how damn sleek the design was. Very compact and not at all cumbersome, with a modern design easy for all. Kudos to the team who designed it
How can you clean the isolation chamber? I mean if air can enter you will get bacteria into it as well, so it is possible to disassemble it for cleaning?
I think the more important question is...why do you want a rebreather? In theory you could train someone from the very start on a rebreather. But rebreathers are a lot more work than open circuit, so you shouldn't bother if you don't have a good use for one in my opinion.
The counterlung and the breathing loop/mouthpiece are the same. But there will be a good used market for the sidewinder 1 for a while. It's a very good rebreather.
Mike likes inventing stuff more than mass production. It was a fairly solid business decision to sell the company to a larger organization that could do mass production at a lower cost in higher volume. Now Mike has more time to dive, explore and invent, which is what he loves to do.
I would expect very short indeed, because functionally, it's almost the same. There are a few small things you would do differently (such as draining water) but most of the differences are in construction, not use.
From a pressurized wooden barrel with a glass view port to this piece of insane engineering... crazy.
Never really thought about it like that. Crazy
I've been super excited to see what they come up with as far as an XDEEP harness specifically designed for the SW. The little tidbit about possibly having the counter lung integrated is very exciting.
Yes !! I can’t wait to get my hands on it !!
Looks clean and strong styled. Thank you💌
I wonder if there are neon colors styles for deep water courtesy?
Been waiting for this video!
June/July is over. Are there any news on when this sweet sweet baby will be available?
No clue.
@@BlueWorldplus 🥹😢😭😭😭😭😭
So clean looking.
Finally a peek at the SW 2
Great video Jonathan.
Question. I the back mount configuration, I see the 80 cuft Diluent tank, but where is the O2 tank mounted? A WOW they will have a solenoid module to transform the whole shebang into an eCCR... Very interesting. I hope they are available for July, looks like I will be on the waiting list..... 🙂
The 80 cu ft is BOTH for diluent and bailout. This is a configuration for the rebreather for more recreational use (open water, relatively shallow), where you don't need two 80 cu ft tanks. The O2 bottle still goes across your butt like the sidemount configuration.
I personally LOVE the idea of using the sidewinder like this. In something like a more traditional back-mount rebreather (say, Revo, AP, Meg, etc.) you have a small bottle of dill on your back, but it's not large enough for bailout. So you carry a "sling bottle" of bailout. This bottle is hanging off of you on one side or the other, makes you out of balance, gets in the way of a camera, etc. With this configuration of the sidewinder, it moves that big bottle to your back, symmetrical, out of the way. The only downside is that your bailout and your dill have to be the same mix. But for 99% of recreational rebreather diving, that's fine and normal.
@@BlueWorldplus I like this myself for recreational mode. Thanks for knocking my head out of the muck with the O2 question. 😊
As a strong believer of the "complacency kills" theory, I'm not a fan of eCCR so I couldn't care less about that, but the rec/tech versatility is truly a game changer. No more awkward sidemount for boat dives on a mixed diving trip. Imagine a week in florida for caves w/ a couple lionfish control boat dives thrown in, or a trip south of the border for some charming cenotes with a couple boat dives throw in to experience the reefs.
That said, I've never been a fan of lack of diluent redundancy on the KISS, but it's easy enough to strap a 3L bottle alongside the O2 and plumb it into the MAV/ADV, then have a QC6 whip on a Shrimp BOV which also permits adding gas to the loop. 3L dil also takes over wing inflation and drysuit gets a dedicated air/argon bottle. Provides redundant buoyancy control and redundant dil.
The only single point of failure at that point is the O2, which _could_ be remedied by having a second O2 bottle w/ compensated first stage plumbed into a pure MAV (no CMF) which also eliminates the uncompensated O2 first stage depth limitation, but that's a point I think very few need to worry about including myself. Personally I'm fine with going SCR with dil-only in the _hopefully unlikely_ event of an O2 system failure or bailing out to OC.
Edd told me almost a year ago why fix it if it isn’t broken. I was not CCR certified at the time. I had read several of the reported advantages of the SW2 vs SW1. I now am sidewinder certified with 50 hours on the unit. I am also thinking for myself when would I ever need the SW2? I have the syntactic foam insulation on my unit but could still see myself wanting the SW2 in water below 55 degrees or so. I can also see myself wanting it if I were planning a total dive time beyond about 5 hours or so in the water I regularly dive (68 degrees F) but many many people have told me the unit is good to 6 hours in the water I dive and I have done 4 hours on the unit with color changing sorb and been amazed at how little color change had occurred in the exhalation side and none in the inhalation side. In fact, for me anyway, the SW1 is limited by the 2L O2 tank not sorb. SCR and a drop oxygen bottle can extend that. I can see this unit for very very long dives though. I can also appreciate it for a dual CCR setup where you have little or no bailout gas to speak of.
My understanding is that most of the changes came about from the need to get the unit through CE testing so the unit can be sold in Europe. They impose extreme "worst case" circumstances during testing (for the amount of CO2 that needs to be scrubbed and the temperature, for example) and then make measurements from there. Under the typical operating conditions that most people use the SW1 for, it performs perfectly well. However, it would struggle in the CE testing. So the answer is that for 99% of us diving the SW1, we really don't need a SW2, unless you happen to like some of the features that were added. But going forward, the SW2 is a good evolution of the unit. Just as you probably won't sell your car just to get the newer version, unless the new car has something you really want.
Reduced work-of-breathing and better sorb utilization efficiency is helpful for going deeper. Right now the meg is the go-to for expeditions with those requirements, but it's quite bulky by comparison. Imagine a cave like Roaring River Spring where there's a restriction then it opens up and is borehole down to at least 500ft/150m with no end in sight.
Love the design language of this new SW2 and the upgrades addressing cold water run time. Time to get tech certified!!! Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
Hopefully you had a great thanksgiving!
I did! Hope you did too!
Thanks! I loved seeing a bit more about the changes they've made compared to the 1. I just wish it came out already. :D Was hoping to start CCR training in 2024 and would prefer not to buy a SW1 in the mean time just to sell it in a years time.
Very well done. Thank you. raphael nyc
Its a beauty!
Just pre ordered mine today. I’m so excited
woo hooo!!!
You're back!!!!!!!
wow thats so cool. I want one!!
Excellant presentation!
Patrick is really good at explaining stuff!
Are the scrubbers interchangeable to allow rotation between shorter dives? Plans to offer the new wireless/solid state sensors?
I believe the scrubber canisters themselves are identical, but as left and right you would probably have then rigged differently. Not sure why you would want to rotate them. What many people do is only change out the exhale side after a short dive and leave the largely unused inhale side packed.
@@BlueWorldplus 2*1.5 hour dives seems like a situation where rotating cannisters would make sense to optimize scrubber use.
In the backmount configuration it doesn't look like there is much rigging involved. I'd be curious to see the unit setup for sidemount.
oh sh!t the single tank configuration is beautiful
Im sure all the technicals are better/improved, i mainly noticed just how damn sleek the design was. Very compact and not at all cumbersome, with a modern design easy for all. Kudos to the team who designed it
Saw myself in the background😂
@Navy1977 several times throughout. I was with the guy in the yellow hat talking to the xdeep representative.
How can you clean the isolation chamber? I mean if air can enter you will get bacteria into it as well, so it is possible to disassemble it for cleaning?
You can dunk the whole thing in water to clean it.
How much experience/dives would you recommend before seeking rebreather training?
I think the more important question is...why do you want a rebreather? In theory you could train someone from the very start on a rebreather. But rebreathers are a lot more work than open circuit, so you shouldn't bother if you don't have a good use for one in my opinion.
Nothing on there website, when will it be available?
June/July 2024 timeframe.
Gonna buy one and get Cert next year
I’m not even a snorkeler lol, but I still find this stuff really interesting
Square canisters…..I’m thinking about a plate to mount two on each side inline so I stay as low profile as possible.
Can it go back mounted doubles?
In theory yes.
i have time to start saving
great i just bought old model :( ......are there parts compatible to upgrade without buyng all ?
The counterlung and the breathing loop/mouthpiece are the same. But there will be a good used market for the sidewinder 1 for a while. It's a very good rebreather.
_”In Philadelphia, it's worth Fifty Bucks"_
Rebreathers are such cool pieces of technology. This, is cool among the cool...
Does the new version need diver recertification?
I don't think so but not totally sure.
i can’t believe Mike sold kiss. 😳. However I think Xdeep is the PERFECT company to have them. They have always meant to be together imo.
Why not? Now he has time to play around making up new stuff 😂
Mike likes inventing stuff more than mass production. It was a fairly solid business decision to sell the company to a larger organization that could do mass production at a lower cost in higher volume. Now Mike has more time to dive, explore and invent, which is what he loves to do.
I wonder what the lag time will be to get instructor trainers/trainers up to speed on the new model?
I would expect very short indeed, because functionally, it's almost the same. There are a few small things you would do differently (such as draining water) but most of the differences are in construction, not use.
At least one North Florida cave diver/instructor has tested the prototype and either already has or soon will have the first release candidate.
I would like the stats on how many victims there will be in the first year.
99.9% of the time, diving accidents--including rebreather accidents--end up being diver error, not equipment failure.
I didn't like the screw on head. @@BlueWorldplus
Well I guess I need to work a little harder at getting a job
Amazing improvements! A lot of thought has gone into this. 🤿❤️