Hoe_Math on the Elite of the World and CS Lewis on what the Devils want for us.
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I'm so very happy this talk happened. Thanks to both of you!
The crossover you never knew you needed! Where's the whole episode?
Next week
Excited to listen to the whole thing
oh shiet. didn’t expect this
Hoe_Math should take a deep dive into Jacques Ellul's theory of the technological society and its necessary tool called propaganda. Ellul was deeply convinced that educating people in the inevitable pervasiveness of propaganda in either way would be an act of enlightenment.
yes he does!
As our Maker tells us in Holy Scripture, our focus in this life should be on working for the heavenly rewards which do not perish. As we set our affection on Him and on things above, He will give us what we need for this life. Time is short here. Eternity lies before us. The worldly minded rich shall wail when they lose their perishable wealth and find themselves destitute of what is required for eternal happiness.
The community that is not Godless and trusts both in Him and one another will become materially prosperous anyway
Pair up that Screwtape excerpt with Owen Barfield's short essays 'The "Son of God" and the "Son of Man"' & 'Philology and the Incarnation' for a powerful combo. I've been wrestling with it for a few months now and the Screwtape excerpt was enlightening. Very timely. Thanks.
Hoe-math is very wise from a psychological angle, but is unfortunately confined to seeing existence only as a game of power dynamics, similar to the far-left. He's just arriving at it from a logical angle rather than an emotional one. I have a similar problem with Jordan Peterson only seeing existence as a story full of various narratives. It's quite amazing seeing the limitations of even very smart people who otherwise promote incredible ways of growing. Not that I was any better. I too had to be hit very hard and repeatedly to see the flaws in my own worldviews. It makes me feel fortunately to see so many other perspectives and learn from them to transform myself, bit by bit. It makes me realize just how feeble and low I really am, especially at this moment. Yet I feel more free and motivated than ever before.
Power dynamics derives from the emergence phenomenon of large enough groups of people. H0e_Math is correct in seeing things through power dynamics when discussing societal phenomenon, he is just limited in personal application to these larger forces. Jordan Peterson is especially hampered by the fact he focuses on personal psychology in terms of power dynamics and hierarchy rather than multiple aspects of individual existence. Still, there are good principles to be learned from both, if only a fraction of the total wisdom needed for one to enlighten oneself.
very neat and unexpected crossover!
Doodle rando. A new genre
No its rather old. Like with guntubers, all the old creatives who did what hoe math does, and said the things he's parroting, have been censored and are gone.
Can you give examples of TH-camrs who were already doing this?
This is so cool!!!
1:38 all conspiracy theories get at this in different ways. Sure they can be wrong materially but they are ways, as Pageau would say, of “folk knowledge” and they all point to the same end. It’s people farming, no matter how they do it. That’s why Christ comes to get us toward freedom. 2:06 - and in the timeless words of Carlyle, you can ban the word, but that will only have the effect of letting run rampant and unchecked in reality.
I have been saying to people that we are still enslaved, we may have the illusion of freedom, as there may be no physical bars or chains, however if you fail to pay a single tax, of the very many that there are, and see what happens, there is a very real threat of violence and financial violence against us, we can be locked up for not breaking any law, we can loose our lives by upsetting a governmental enforcement group, also one of many, all that will happily and enthusiastically work against our best interests while convincing most that they are working for us
0:35 what's beneath the surface of your own perception? Well said! Maslow was under something in terms of needs, but rather than sorting these into a hierarchy, I like the work of Marshall Rosenberg in terms of having an understanding of how feelings are connected to needs, and chiefly the distinction between needs and strategies, and how confusion about this leads to politics and war
0:53 World War III as a conflict on the psychological playing field
2:25 psychology and morality, through an economic lens… What does the term high value person mean given this deeper understanding?
3:45 not doing this consciously - instead of having cultivated a sense of what our needs are, we've been hypnotized into orienting around strategies, especially as things get harder and more scarce
5:29 CS Lewis Screwtape letters excerpt 5:41
5:40 very profound. Subscribed for the insight.
Really looking forward to this one Paul, might be one of the best crossovers yet 😊 - although, a couple of hours spent with Chris Williamson exploring life downstream from JBP might top it (just a suggestion if you’re running out if people to talk to 😆)
I would talk to Chris
Plato and the cave comes to mind.
Thanks
His focus upon the economic and the utilitarian explains a lot of the vibe I get from his videos that you recommended that I've watched, Paul
Regardless of it's truth, it explains the... barreness of his outlook that I've felt. His videos are always about what he wants and what others want when they come down to it. I don't see much room in his view for altruism beyond it being a silly "surface" thing hiding the transactional truth underneath it, or at least that's how he's come off.
They call economics the "dismal science" for a reason, and what hapoens when that becomes the center of your attention?
Altruism is defined as an unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others. Now, selfishness consists in the attempt or intention to elevate oneself above others, and therefore regards and devotions are unselfish (altruistic) when the intention/attempt behind them is not to elevate yourself above the other person.
While it is certainly possible (even easy) for someone to be preoccupied with their own well-being and *also* selfish, the two are not really synonymous. I don't think there's anything particularly selfish about recognizing the injustice that goes on in the world, or even alerting others to that injustice. While those who do the right thing will generally face persecutions, that's not a good goal to achieve.
I know a bitter guy when I see one. I hope these guys can find their way through without being consumed.
It was the factory system, as Marx showed in relation to capitalism proper, that brought labor under the control - as it is today - of the merchant classes, in contrast to the previous handicraft or domestic production of Feudal Europe or Colonial America.
It is that once domestic production that is represented religiously by the “candlesticks” of Revelation, as the tie of Protestantism to private property creating that factory system, and the rise of industrialization as the “stars” to a particular new national constellation of cities then grown epically anew in the wilderness of another New World.
401k funds your own enslavement, I've been saying this forever
money that used to start local businesses
h doesnt really get ya high, it just takes all the pain away so ya feel normal and therefore somewhat happy.
I have no idea why Lewis (in his more adult writings, anyway) seemed to like the idea of humans becoming like copies of God. The individual uniqueness of the human person is surely a good thing, or God wouldn't have created it.
There are, of course, certain specific qualities of God that are universally-desirable to have; great intelligence, wisdom, power, wealth, etc... But the statement as given feels potentially-horrifying.
Paul we need your top 10 book recommendations. That would be a great video
Communications? Good for you. Try to escape Set.
There also is a mathematics of communication. Which people do not seem to apply yet in these parts.
@@chrishoward8473 Classic information theory? Good stuff ... but "the medium is the message" is wrong. The medium has no intrinsic meaning. The meaning is in the sender and receiver, in people.
@@williambranch4283 no, the interesting part is compactness, reliable delivery, etc which have end-to-end applications. For example, this guy is drawing and talking, redundant communication paths.