This conversation really occurred and was recorded by the court pretty much word for word. This showed she was really the smartest of his wives besides Anne of Cleves both survived him.
What happened is he had called for her arrest and by the time the next morning came he had forgotten so when they came to get her she was able to beg and plead her case and he sent them away also Luckily for Parr he was in failing health getting sicker by the day so his mind wasn't all there and he really did forget and she was able to convince him that she wasnot challenging him but trying to learn from him which fed his ego ever so huge as it still was
@Spencer Frank Clayton yeah she actually got on his good side and was even given her own estate or something. Played good cards with Henry too. So it's not like he just outright hated them all. Humans throughout history tend to be fairly complex in their decision making. Also the jousting accident certainly made things worse
@@Nebulasecura Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleaves were foreign princesses in their own right. King Henry couldn't kill them unless he wanted to provoke war with their powerful families and their allies. He also had to treat AoC well because he couldn't afford to offend her brother.
Catherine Parr was so smart here. Using her disadvantages as a woman to her advantages in avoiding death. It would’ve just taken one wrong word to get her arrested and killed but she knew what was going on and understood the game perfectly. On some aspects, Queen Catherine was even smarter than Anne Boleyn. Anne was well educated and extremely manipulative but she always had a temper and didn’t know when to shut her mouth. Catherine here, was submissive to King Henry and she was able to keep her head for it. Loved this woman.
To be fair though Catherine Parr came at the end of the King's life, after he had already produced an heir. Anne Boleyn had to deal with pressures and circumstances much different and more challenging than Catherine Parr. Both, though were incredibly smart and talented.
@@alexisgrammer6629 By the time Henry married Parr, he was already really sick and weak and needed someone he could trust to take care of him. And maybe produce a spare heir if possible.
She was a very intelligent woman. Especially with Henry being how he was, and his previous wives and their subsequent fates... the terror she must have felt, it doesn't bear thinking about.
@@jessicaphillips4542 She had no choice. In fact, Catherine Parr didn't even want to marry him and loved someone else. She even wanted to marry him, but the king had already set her sights on her and she couldn't say no. Besides, her family wanted her to marry him.
@@di3486 Poor Catherine. Married the first two times at the order of her parents, married for the third time at the order of the king, then finally when she gets to choose her husband for herself, she dies as a result of birthing their child. She couldn't catch a break, poor lady.
Catherine Parr was by far the smartest and shrewdest of all his wives. Anne Boleyn might have been more educated and talented, but she was hotheaded ... And list her head in the BG athai . But this lady - Catherine Parr not only got out of a tight spot where one wrong word would make her the third queen to be beheaded, but she went on to be his trusted consort and thus she outlived him and marry her beau . Another smart queen was Anne of Cleaves, she too made quite a career out of her shortlived marriage.
@@janetothen2583 She sure didn't help the situation by holding Elizabeth down so he could "tickle" her. She only got mad when she found him molesting her alone.
@@HorsesIC a tickle fight is something much different, I have 5kids between 21 and 4 and we have tickle fights. I also do it for my nieces, nephews, neighbours etc. What she saw as loving banter, then finding out it absolutely wasn't would devastate anyone.
@@janetothen2583 She is also alleged to have held her down whilst her husband *cut her dress* from her. Who was 14 at the time. *Something* must have happened, because Elizabeth was quickly removed from their care after the incident. It seems likely that she was at least aware of her husbands interest in Elizabeth, which was quite scandalous. Its also worth noting that Seymour (Who, yes, Was Edward Tudor's Uncle, and brother of Edward Seymour, the Lord Protector and Regent to Edward Tudor) did attempt to marry Elizabeth after Parr's death and when that fell through, attempted an open rebellion. He was arrested after trying to break into the Kings Bedchamber with a loaded pistol, and his association with Elizabeth was so great that she too was arrested. Whilst one might construe her interactions with Elizabeth as innocent, her husband's interest almost certainly wasn't innocent. His intentions to her were fairly clear, and only grew clearer when Parr died in childbirth a year after Henry VIII. And it seems rather unlikely that Elizabeth was naive to that. The details of his behaviour came to light in this period when they were both arrested, as it was assumed that she had conspired with Seymour. At which point she displayed massive intellect and logic, and successfully managed to extradite herself and her servants from his downfall. Its not *impossible* that she did in fact conspire with Seymour, and some have speculated that she, Parr, and Seymour were engaged a polyamorous relationship - though certainly one that we'd find exceptionally inappropriate and predatory by today's standards. There is no hard evidence, but there's plenty of rather sketchy looking behaviour and circumstantial evidence that isn't a good look.
I have a love/hate relationship with this moment. On the one hand you can clearly see that Catherine Parr understood how to play the game of court politics and use her disadvantages to her advantage. On the other it so disheartening to see a woman who was one the most theological educated and influential people outside of church leaderships/officials reduced to have to grovel like this and sadly, scene is pretty words for word from the accounts we have.
When your very life is at stake, there's no such thing as "respect my achievements" or "i'm better than you", there is just you and your choice to live or get executed.
@@Zodroo_Tint Of course not, because patriarchy blablabla something something immapoorvictim dybadyba feelsorryformeee wah wah You know, the usual refrain.
@@Zodroo_Tint well I don’t think anyone deserves to be treated this way so no it just because she’s a woman but it have something to do who she was a person again she was the most influential theological minds in Europe at the time and had become so despite all the obstacles her gender presented for the time
@@alrune8Catherine Parr as shown in this video based on historical records of events didn’t believe in living life passively and neither do I. Sometimes we have limited options (or at good ones) because the choices we have available to us. However, self pity is generally unproductive in such situation. We should just try to do what we can for ourselves and others better. Be well.
So painful to watch what submission had women to go through in order to survive.. She was smart, definitely. And first of all very courageous to marry the man who had previously 5 wives and all suffered (except one). But still. So painful to watch the humiliation she had to endure in order to satisfy his narcissistic needs of flattering and feeling superior just to keep her head onto place.... Sigh.. 😒
And then to later die a Painful death giving birth to her Last husband's child after discovering that he'd been Sexually harassing one of her Favourite Stepchildren. Frankly, Catherine Parr deserved to be born in a Better time period than the Tudor era.
Who wouldn't? I bet everyone in Henry's court was always on edge, meassuring their words way more than is usual with their monarch just to keep their heads.
It's not even about being a woman, it's about whether or not you want to live or you prefer to get executed. Catherine only knew that death was too high a price to pay for any ideology, especially one that has already spelt doom for many others, men included. So she took the high road, which was also the smart road.
See I think she is right in what she said, if only she were genuine, but I’m discerning to become a Nun, so this level of humility and obedience is expected of me
Silver Kitty I don't know recent trial saw ex wife had left great big knife husband's side of the bed Think AH rings a bell Some looney spouses those times and now it seems
At that moment she burned all materials relating to controversial religion, instructed her ladies to never speak on the subject again and shut her intellect off. Poor woman, another victim of Henry’s narcissism. He didn’t kill her body, but her mind
Actually + not all. He didn’t kill her mind at all. She knew enough to keep quiet for a little while.She is the first published female English author. After Henry’s death, when it was safe to do so in her stepson’s reign she published one or two Protestant books herself.
No he didn't kill her mind. She saved herself and her ladies. After Henry's death Catherine was free to practice her Protestant worship and published Lamentation of a Sinner.
@@jatinsandis6983 Yes, and there is also Margery of Kempe. But were their works published? I think publishing came about after the printing press came about. I thinking publishing means making work more widely available than a few manuscripts.
What I like about this segment is that it is a verbatim report of what was actually said -- line by line. "The Tudors" is not terribly accurate, except when it deviates from fantasy & actually tells the truth. Lordy, but Catherine Parr knew how to grovel to perfection!
@@cathryncampbell8555 Outside of the historical inaccuracies the tiny little fellow they cast as Henry was the worst. I always wondered if he was a kid of the producer or something since everyone else was perfectly cast. 😂
@@AlexandriaSWest Oh I agree! The late, great Keith Michell was my favourite Henry (in "The Six Wives of H8"), followed closely by James Robertson Justice (in "The Sword & the Rose") & Charlton Heston (in "The Prince & the Pauper"). Charlton Heston's Cardinal Richelieu (in the Richard Lester "3 Musketeers") is likewise a masterpiece, btw.
@@cherrytraveller5915 they all put up with Henry better than I would've. They each has their own strengths that enabled them to survive as queen in different ways.
@@silverkitty2503 The women did not have much choice if their ambitious families pushed them and who would say no to the most powerful man in the land who was also a serial killer. He had many people executed, as well as some of his wives. Thomas More, Thomas Cromwell, The Duke of Surrey, Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury (daughter of the Duke of Clarence). Cardinal Wolsey would have been for the chop but he died on his way to see Henry and many 'rebels' and 'heretics'..
@@silverkitty2503 well they kinda had to kiss ass or they would go to the chopping block. Nobody was safe. If a king can execute his wife on false charges just because she didn't give him a son, what does that mean for members of the court who say no to him? One actually did, Thomas Moore. We all know how that turned out.....
Archbishop Thomas Cranmer came looking for her after the rupture occurred. He found her crouching in the dark in her quarters, alone, her ladies having fled. She was becoming hysterical. He coached her on how to handle Henry, whom he knew much better than she did. A good man, & Elizabeth I's godfather. He unquestionably saved her life. 🗡
Can you find the source on this interaction? I find Thomas Cranmer’s involvement fascinating in this moment. I never gave him much thought in history but perhaps I was mistaken.
@@-keren- Oh, Cranmer was extremely involved. Like Katherine, he knew how to stay on Henry's good side even when their beliefs were different. Cranmer pretty much built the Church of England under Henry's very nose without Henry recognizing just how much further the reformation had gone than he intended. And Crammer was involved in every single marriage and divorce: as Archbishop he had to be. The dance it took for him to stay alive when other courtiers, like Thomas More and Thomas Cromwell, went to the block primarily for favouring a former wife or not encouraging a new one properly - Cranmer's surviving all six wives and Henry himself was a miracle of diplomatic strategy (I don't mean he actually survived Anne of Cleves; I think she may have still been alive when Cranmer was executed under Mary; I just mean he survived her ousting as queen along with all the rest.) And the political power as well as church power he wielded even beyond the grave through the reinstatement of the Book of Common Prayer and Homiles in Elizabeth I's government was more influential in the development of England even down to the modern age than many realize. The complex interweave of church and state back then is fascinating in terms of political power and influence: I'm actually writing a series on it.
@@-keren- I'm sorry, but I got no notice of your question. I have many, many books of Tudor history, & I'm afraid I no longer remember where I read this. I also read about the strong stand Cranmer took when Henry wanted to water down some of the reform parts of the Reformation. He basically told the despot that whatever it was could not be done in that wise. And Henry backed down! An amazing man. I've always grieved that he didn't follow his wife & children to the Continent when Mary I ascended the throne. He must have heard the clock ticking. Instead, he stayed & thrust his right hand, which had signed the recantation of his true beliefs, directly into his pyre, & watched it burn. 🔥
@@cmm5542 I'll look forward to it. You are very well-informed! I am a Roman Catholic & I have read his beautiful Book of Common Prayer from cover to cover. I adore it. 📖
@@h.calvert3165 It is beautiful. I am proud to be Anglican and that Cranmer didn't throw out all the church traditions and beliefs the Catholic Church had valued and preserved for centuries over their reform disagreements. I studied the Reformation for my master's degree; it's sad how many people died because they couldn't appreciate that we don't all have to worship the exact same way or take the exact same approach to reforms. As much as I appreciate our history, inter-denominational dialogue is one thing I am so relieved we do better nowadays!
@@andriagivens5815 It's very more ironic that his most ignored and least wanted child - Elizabeth - grew up to be the one of the greatest English monarchs !
@@andriagivens5815 While possibly true, there are some scholars who believe, from historical accounts and his own actions, the only one of his wives he ever truly loved was Jane Seymour.
@@grayden4138 1. because she gave him a son 2. because she died before she could anger him in any way. By dying while serving his greatest desire, she became the embodiment of what he wanted in a woman: someone whose life's purpose was only to serve him and his wants. She didn't live long enough to disappoint him in any way, so she didn't get devalued or discarded. 3. Henry never loved anyone but himself
And she had her own money after her husband died too. She was so close to having a great life and marrying the man she loved, but she couldn't turn down a king.
@@princess7jasmine They should've had more time together. How terrifying to be Queen to a man who's had most of his other wives sent away or killed. And she had to be extra careful because of her religion. Not that Thomas was a real prize either.
@@princess7jasmine Only one child was born: a daughter. No one seems to know what happened to her, though. After her mother's death and father's execution, the baby was sent to the Duchess of Suffolk (as a ward). No one knows what became of the daughter beyond that.
Women have always had to play the part. We hate doing it, we hate even more so to be treated as such, but goddamn it we had to do it and still do. Men see themselves as the better of the human race, the stronger and smarter, especially in the past. They knew all, saw all, what could a woman know and see? For wise women, smart women, we were either shunned, or worse, executed. Catherine Parr knew the risks. Catherine Aragon and Anne Boleyn did not see that far ahead. All smart women, all talented and revered in their own ways, but Parr knew, Parr had 5 ex wives to learn from. Be spoken, be revered, but when it comes to the men, be submissive and quaint.
Catherine of Aragon was permitted to serve as Regent for a while. Henry's upset with her was that there was no legitimate son after 20+ years of marriage. Catherine refused the traditional means of declaring the marriage over (retiring to a convent).
Katherine Parr had been around the court and had seen enough to make her wary. She or her mother had been one of Catherine of Aragon's ladies. Katherine had also seen the way the Princess Mary was treated--Henry had been indulgent to his intelligent and pretty daughter, but when she took her mother's side, he spurned her, treated her abominably, refused to let her see her beloved mother (just spite on his part).
And sadly, men can always resort to brutality, violence, oppression and murder, should a woman stand for herself and assert her independence or intelligence too much. This is the tragedy of so many men, throughout history; they are so volatile and weak in spirit, and they cannot stomach a woman that won't submit to them, so they must stamp them out completely. How strong is a man if he must have weaklings all around him, to make him feel stronger?
You're right, but things are DRASTICALLY different now than they are then. Many women around the world now no longer have to 'play the part.' As a woman though I couldn't imagine living in those times where you had to hide your intelligence like that. It wasn't just Catherine Parr that was wise from the past, but Elizabeth as well. She certainly chose not to get married during her long reign because of not only what happened with her own mother, but with all the other wives too.
Actually Katherine Parr published 4 books. Queen , Regent , Scholar , published author , Nurse . An astounding woman. I think Katherine Parr and Katherine of Aragon were by far the finest of his queens.
To anyone who thinks irl people would never put up with a king who actually behaved liked Aerys 'Burn Them All' Targaryen... we present this guy here, unfortunately real.
Actually he seems like Maegor I Targaryen "The cruel" he too took several wives because he wanted a son but all his children were stillborn or miscarried and his last wife survived him
As powerful as he was as an older man he lived in fear . Wherever he stayed his locksmiths would change the lock to his bedroom. He slept with one eye open !
I don’t get it though. She had saved herself, he had forgiven her, therefore he had dropped all ideas of arresting her and having her executed or whatever, right…? So why did he not say ‘yes, rescind my orders to arrest her tomorrow’? Does that mean he was still having her arrested the next day?
@@meganchristinevincencciaki5081 He didn't rescind his order because he wanted to put the frighteners on Catherine and keep her in check. He also did it to show his authority and indignation at the officers who came to arrest the Queen, who were not aware that the couple had been reconciled. Basically at this point in his life, Henry was quite sociopathic and enjoyed everyone marching to his drum. It was also a way of showcasing his majesty without compromising his integrity. If he defends Catherine in public, it makes him look magnanimous also.
@@meganchristinevincencciaki5081 basically everything jmiller05 said. I would like to add that I believe Catherine liked the bishop who wanted her dead. Henry wanted to show her that the bishop was really not her friend by going through with the arrest, pretending it was an act of defiance on the bishop’s part as opposed to an order by Henry. Shortly after, he pardoned the bishop from his court and was able to do so without any protest from his wife. I’m really not sure if the arrest attempt the following day actually happened in reality, though. It might just be dramatization. I’ll have to do some research. Historical fact vs. historical fiction can fall into gray areas.
@@edwardfitzhugh7547 But Bishop Gardner was corrupt, he was embelezzing from the king, he was in charge of secret abbey's that the King was trying to dissolve, but instead of transferring the funds to the king's exchequer like he's supposed to do Bishop Gardner was keeping the funds for himself, in fact Edward Seymour's wife points this out when she notices an arrest warrant is sitting on Gardener's desk.
Towards the end of his life, Bloody Henry was totally bald and, by some accounts, weighed 35 stone. This representation of him is rather less than accurate!
Guy had a 54 inch waist line, could barely move, and probably smelled like a New York alley….. …creative license has been taken often in depictions of Henry.
The show is extremely inaccurate with history and appearances and portraying some people as allies or enemies when they weren't irl They didnt portray Henry as his appearance as at that time he was severely obese, could barely walk and his ulcer stunk worsened by the way he tied his stockings so tightly to show his calves as it would have reduced the show's appeal. Anne of Cleaves was portrayed as the ugly wife because Henry being Henry disguised as a peasant snuck into her bedchamber and she screamt calling him an ugly man.Henry was insulted that as it was a massive blow to his ego. The portrait was made by Hans Holbien renowned for his accuracy and Hans would have lost his head if it was inaccurate. The fact Henry kept him on as court painter proves it was accurate. If the show portrayed Henry as what he behaved irl and tried to romanticise it there would have been massive backlash for trying to romantise a stalker and rapist. He stalked Anne and ruined her reputation which at that time was ruining her forever as the only way for a woman to financially secure herself was a good marriage. With a reputation in shatters and nobles knowing marrying her would mean Henry's wrath Anne was ruined. She even quit her job as a lady in waiting, a extremely prestigious position at that time and went home to Hever Castle but Henry went to 'visit' a castle nearby and stalked her from there. With her reputation ruined, she was forced to marry Henry. To people calling her seducing Henry, it was impossible to say NO to a king yet she tried for a long time but lost. There are historical records a letter from Henry to Anne in which was written you are a deer I am a hunter you cannot escape me. So it makes sense the show portrayed Henry inaccurately. Do you really think ot would have been have a hit if they portrayed Henry as ugly and as a stalker and a rapist. No it would not have
This is the worst example. This discussion is intellectual. The man is a king. The time period is one where the law is as the king wills it. A typical example today is your woman nagging you about the trash, or if a man is financially abusive then that can start an argument.
Catherine Parr was always one step ahead of the vile Gardener. Catherine Parr was a highly intelligent reformer . Gardener went after Catherine Parr constantly & manipulated Henry viii insecurities & arrogance. Gardener issued a warrant yet vile Henry viii agreed for the warrant. They try to show Henry companionate , he wasn’t he was constantly paranoid as he knew he was close to death . He kept Cranmer ( Protestant) & Gardener ( Catholic) on his privy council .
I love Catherine Parr and this speech is magnificent and pretty accurate. You can't compare the wives in terms of intelligence. That's comparing apples to oranges. Every one of these women had totally different circumstances they had to deal with. I love Parr and Cleves, but I wouldn't call them "smarter" for surviving. Anne of Cleves had incredibly smart lawyers. Henry wouldn't have been able to kill her without causing a war. Parr was advised by Thomas Cranmer on how best to approach Henry. And truthfully, had Henry lived longer, she may very well have still been murdered by him. Sadly, even though she survived Henry, she still had a tragic end. Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn were both incredibly smart women. Unfortunately, they were both married to Henry when he was still obsessed with having a son. Nothing they could have said or done would have prevented Henry's cruelty towards them. With Anne specifically, that's when he had his famous jousting accident in which he highly likely suffered brain damage that was the probable reason for his drastic personality change.
When I first saw this scene on Netflix, I wanted to stop watching all together. I was panicking for her, I thought she was gonna suffer the same ill fate like the other wives. I was relieved 😌 that she was smart and smart enough to make her way through.
Even though there is a lot of exaggerated dramatization in the show, I don’t think they would have completely changed the story and killed her off LOL. I knew she was safe, I was just curious how it was going to play out on Showtime.
If you know anything about Henry then you would know she was probably safe as long as she kept her wits together and backed down. Henry was a coward. If he had decided to get rid of someone he would disappear and not be around when they were arrested. The fact he summoned her to him meant he was giving her a chance.
@@nicoletrudell2065 Actually Divorced Beheaded Died (in childbirth) Divorced Beheaded Died (in childbirth). Anne of Cleves was the true survivor, because Catherine Parr only outlived Henry by 18 months or so.
Yes you know the history that she did survive but nevertheless your heart is in your mouth during this scene. Her fate hung on a knife edge and this was portrayed brilliantly here by the superb direction, dialogue and acting. That fact that he really did put her through this shows what a nasty tyrant he had turned into. But he was very intelligent and perceptive, so did he really believe her or did he just want to exercise his immense power over her. One for the expert historians to argue.
Anne Askew (sometimes spelled Ayscough or Ascue), married name Anne Kyme (1521 - 16 July 1546), was an English writer, poet, and Anabaptist preacher who was condemned as a heretic during the reign of Henry VIII of England. Anne was close friends with Catherine & had been racked & burnt alive for simply reading the Bible in English . Gardener saw this a heretical & horrendously tortured her , yet she refused to mention the Queen Catherine Parr . Parr was then full aware what was coming for her & used her wits ( as in this scene )
Would not been supriced regarding Cathrines arrest orderd that Henry had no intension of doing that and was possebly behind Cathrine being warned(it was to scare her) and also it was possebly a plot to fool her enemys from Henrys side as Cathrine had been foolish enough to be to outspoken religusly from her enemys and most likely Henrys side
My biggest flex is that I grew up where she lived with with one of her husbands I own land what maybe she might of walked on or owned and I got baptised in the church where she would of prayed at
Just proves how how horrible a human Henry was. She did nothing wrong yet she was going to get arrested for "bruising" his ego. Karma that God never granted him a son that lived past adulthood.
The Tudors was an excellent series, there haven't been many that I've been depressed to see the end of in recent years but this was one of them. I'm aware that Catherine Parr was a very intelligent woman and that this scene was based upon an account from the time, it essentially amounted to Catherine saving her own skin by begging at Henry's feet not to be burned at the stake for heresy. I wonder though would we see such a scene acted out in today's TV series, a woman begging at the feet of a man. Perhaps but there would be reprisal later I've no doubt since that is the zeitgeist we have today.
Anne Bolyen was just as smart as Catherine Parr. But Catherine Parr I'd say knows how to play the game she is very street smart. But Anne Bolyen Doesn't have that much knowledge and doesn't really pay attention to what she could be saying because of her temper. Anne Bolyen was known for being very book smart.
Why is the Queen’s costume so bad in this. Her lady in waiting is wearing a period specific costume, but Catherine is wearing something weird, no hood and a cape even though she is indoors.
I don't get the last part, " your majesty shall I recind the queen's arrest for tomorrow" . meaning cancel the arrest but he said Henry said why. so who is getting arrested?
Actually didn’t happen in reality. Added for dramatic purposes. But on the show, Henry went ahead and had his men come to arrest her, but he flipped out on them (playing as if he was surprised) when they showed up, and he sent them away. This was a tactic he used to scare Catherine into full submission, plus it was a way of showing them all who the boss was and not to cross him.
In the show, at least, he’s staging a scare tactic performance. He’s going to go ahead and have his men attempt to arrest her. Then he will scream at them and tell them to beat it. By doing this, this does two things: 1) Show his wife not to ever try to cross him because he won’t hesitate, 2) To show his men who’s boss because some of them like to cross him, as well. Watch the next scene, Catherine Parr’s arrest, and you’ll see what I mean.
He was setting the queen up for a test. The following day, they came to arrest her, causing her to almost have a heart attack. The king angrily sent them away and all was well. This was a way for the king to further affirm her newfound belief that he is not to be messed with because he will indeed punish her like all the others, and it was a way of putting her against the bishop whom she admired but Henry needed her against him (he was the one who requested the queen be tried for heresy in the first place and started the investigation).
His appearance definitely wasn't. Henry had red hair (as did his daughter Elizabeth--the sandy, light red rather than Titian.. Mary had more sandy hair,. This is going by the surviving portraits; they may not be totally accurate, but he definitely did not have dark hair. And Katherine Parr wasn't a glamorous blonde. She may have had darker hair, again judging by her portrait. She was in her early thirties, I think (and twice widowed), when Henry married her..
At this point in time The Pain in Henry VIII's leg had become so bad that he was self medicating with a mixture of Crushed Pearls and Lead. That would have definitely damaged his vocal chords in my opinion.
@@dj3114 that part is just fiction, but on the show, he chose teach a lesson to both her and his men by having them deliver an arrest warrant to her the following day. Upon doing so, he yelled at his men and sent them away. He did this so a) she will always remember not to cross him, and b) to remind his men that he has the final say in all matters.
about 70k people were executed during his reign, pretty hefty especially considering the low population at the time and this number doesnt even include all the people who died in all the wars he waged. Extremely blood thirsty character, one of the few true unchecked absolute monarchs in english history
I don’t understand the ending. He asks if he should rescind the order to arrest her if all is now well, and the king replied “why?” So in other words she should still be arrested ?
Catherine Parr outwitting not just Henry Tudor yet also Gardener the Catholic privy councillor who went after all her friends most famously the , lady Anne Askew (sometimes spelled Ayscough or Ascue), married name Anne Kyme (1521 - 16 July 1546), was an English writer, poet, and Anabaptist preacher who was condemned as a heretic during the reign of Henry VIII of England.
have a doubt...at the end he was asked if they should send word to rescind the order to arrest the queen. He asks "why?"..did he not cancel the order? And just pretend to accept her apology
He was a monster. He acted as a God and couldn't even do what ever male can- produce a healthy child. He ruined and took life of hos wives and people. He even pushed his childern in misery. As he was if I would be living in UK I would never be proud of him as a ruler.
We're not proud of him but all countries have had bad rulers. We're proud of his daughter Elizabeth for being one of the greatest monarchs in history, and our royal family today is from a different dynastic family altogether so we don't have to base our national pride on a ruler from over 400 years ago!
Why did he not rescind the arrest order when in the garden he forbade it and pitched a royal temper tantrum? Did he just want to look like a hero or did he change his mind last min?
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This conversation really occurred and was recorded by the court pretty much word for word. This showed she was really the smartest of his wives besides Anne of Cleves both survived him.
To be fair, Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn couldn’t have done anything to stop him, except for having a male child.
he couldn't kill Anne of Cleaves the same way he couldnt kill Catherine...lest he want a war
The eight wives and their fate:
Divorced
Beheaded
Died
Divorced
Beheaded
Survived
@@dhinds5927 wtf?
What happened is he had called for her arrest and by the time the next morning came he had forgotten so when they came to get her she was able to beg and plead her case and he sent them away also Luckily for Parr he was in failing health getting sicker by the day so his mind wasn't all there and he really did forget and she was able to convince him that she wasnot challenging him but trying to learn from him which fed his ego ever so huge as it still was
Surviving as a wife of henry VIII is a better axcomplishment than landing on the moon 😂
I'd rather be Anne of Cleves than this one, though.
@Spencer Frank Clayton yeah she actually got on his good side and was even given her own estate or something. Played good cards with Henry too. So it's not like he just outright hated them all. Humans throughout history tend to be fairly complex in their decision making. Also the jousting accident certainly made things worse
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 True. I'd brag on as long as I lived of how I survived Henry's vicious ways.
@@Nebulasecura Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleaves were foreign princesses in their own right. King Henry couldn't kill them unless he wanted to provoke war with their powerful families and their allies. He also had to treat AoC well because he couldn't afford to offend her brother.
Catherine Parr was so smart here. Using her disadvantages as a woman to her advantages in avoiding death. It would’ve just taken one wrong word to get her arrested and killed but she knew what was going on and understood the game perfectly. On some aspects, Queen Catherine was even smarter than Anne Boleyn. Anne was well educated and extremely manipulative but she always had a temper and didn’t know when to shut her mouth. Catherine here, was submissive to King Henry and she was able to keep her head for it. Loved this woman.
To be fair though Catherine Parr came at the end of the King's life, after he had already produced an heir. Anne Boleyn had to deal with pressures and circumstances much different and more challenging than Catherine Parr. Both, though were incredibly smart and talented.
@@alexisgrammer6629 While that is true, Anne did make statements that could have been construed as treasonous.
Anne and Howard teen both were unable to meet the King personally before arrest, that was her advantage,otherwise she was also killed
It's a fact that Anne thinks on emotions while Catherine thinks it all through and while being cool and calm. That's what made her survive.
@@alexisgrammer6629 By the time Henry married Parr, he was already really sick and weak and needed someone he could trust to take care of him. And maybe produce a spare heir if possible.
Catherine Parr dodges bullets way better than Neo in Matrix
Period.
She can walk on fire without hurting herself
She was a very intelligent woman. Especially with Henry being how he was, and his previous wives and their subsequent fates...
the terror she must have felt, it doesn't bear thinking about.
Only Anne of Cleaves survived Henry before her. 1/5 is terrible odds. She made it 1/3 with her own tact and abilities(and Henry being on the way out).
Supremely intelligent. She was the first woman ever to publish in English under her own name and went on to write multiple books.
If she was extremely intelligent she would never have tried Henry at all
@@jessicaphillips4542 Feel free to send me a list of the books you've authored!
@@jessicaphillips4542 She had no choice. In fact, Catherine Parr didn't even want to marry him and loved someone else. She even wanted to marry him, but the king had already set her sights on her and she couldn't say no. Besides, her family wanted her to marry him.
She was so smart she was a whole author and lived a successful life following this and also married the man she loved when Henry died
And then died having his baby 18 months later. Poor Catherine, she just couldn't catch a break.
Didn’t her husband try to seduce Elizabeth?
@@erinchambers9 Yes, Thomas was always trying to get close to Elizabeth..
And was her downfall. Marrying for love was her downfall.
@@di3486 Poor Catherine. Married the first two times at the order of her parents, married for the third time at the order of the king, then finally when she gets to choose her husband for herself, she dies as a result of birthing their child. She couldn't catch a break, poor lady.
This must’ve been the scariest moment in Katherine Parr’s life
Catherine Parr was by far the smartest and shrewdest of all his wives. Anne Boleyn might have been more educated and talented, but she was hotheaded ... And list her head in the BG athai . But this lady - Catherine Parr not only got out of a tight spot where one wrong word would make her the third queen to be beheaded, but she went on to be his trusted consort and thus she outlived him and marry her beau . Another smart queen was Anne of Cleaves, she too made quite a career out of her shortlived marriage.
No I imagine it was finding her 4th husband with his hand up very young Elizabeth's dress was.
@@janetothen2583 She sure didn't help the situation by holding Elizabeth down so he could "tickle" her. She only got mad when she found him molesting her alone.
@@HorsesIC a tickle fight is something much different, I have 5kids between 21 and 4 and we have tickle fights. I also do it for my nieces, nephews, neighbours etc. What she saw as loving banter, then finding out it absolutely wasn't would devastate anyone.
@@janetothen2583 She is also alleged to have held her down whilst her husband *cut her dress* from her. Who was 14 at the time.
*Something* must have happened, because Elizabeth was quickly removed from their care after the incident. It seems likely that she was at least aware of her husbands interest in Elizabeth, which was quite scandalous.
Its also worth noting that Seymour (Who, yes, Was Edward Tudor's Uncle, and brother of Edward Seymour, the Lord Protector and Regent to Edward Tudor) did attempt to marry Elizabeth after Parr's death and when that fell through, attempted an open rebellion. He was arrested after trying to break into the Kings Bedchamber with a loaded pistol, and his association with Elizabeth was so great that she too was arrested.
Whilst one might construe her interactions with Elizabeth as innocent, her husband's interest almost certainly wasn't innocent. His intentions to her were fairly clear, and only grew clearer when Parr died in childbirth a year after Henry VIII. And it seems rather unlikely that Elizabeth was naive to that. The details of his behaviour came to light in this period when they were both arrested, as it was assumed that she had conspired with Seymour. At which point she displayed massive intellect and logic, and successfully managed to extradite herself and her servants from his downfall. Its not *impossible* that she did in fact conspire with Seymour, and some have speculated that she, Parr, and Seymour were engaged a polyamorous relationship - though certainly one that we'd find exceptionally inappropriate and predatory by today's standards.
There is no hard evidence, but there's plenty of rather sketchy looking behaviour and circumstantial evidence that isn't a good look.
I have a love/hate relationship with this moment. On the one hand you can clearly see that Catherine Parr understood how to play the game of court politics and use her disadvantages to her advantage. On the other it so disheartening to see a woman who was one the most theological educated and influential people outside of church leaderships/officials reduced to have to grovel like this and sadly, scene is pretty words for word from the accounts we have.
When your very life is at stake, there's no such thing as "respect my achievements" or "i'm better than you", there is just you and your choice to live or get executed.
Is it because she was a women? Would you care if he would be a men?
@@Zodroo_Tint Of course not, because patriarchy blablabla something something immapoorvictim dybadyba feelsorryformeee wah wah
You know, the usual refrain.
@@Zodroo_Tint well I don’t think anyone deserves to be treated this way so no it just because she’s a woman but it have something to do who she was a person again she was the most influential theological minds in Europe at the time and had become so despite all the obstacles her gender presented for the time
@@alrune8Catherine Parr as shown in this video based on historical records of events didn’t believe in living life passively and neither do I. Sometimes we have limited options (or at good ones) because the choices we have available to us. However, self pity is generally unproductive in such situation. We should just try to do what we can for ourselves and others better. Be well.
So painful to watch what submission had women to go through in order to survive.. She was smart, definitely. And first of all very courageous to marry the man who had previously 5 wives and all suffered (except one). But still. So painful to watch the humiliation she had to endure in order to satisfy his narcissistic needs of flattering and feeling superior just to keep her head onto place.... Sigh.. 😒
And then to later die a Painful death giving birth to her Last husband's child after discovering that he'd been Sexually harassing one of her Favourite Stepchildren.
Frankly, Catherine Parr deserved to be born in a Better time period than the Tudor era.
Who wouldn't? I bet everyone in Henry's court was always on edge, meassuring their words way more than is usual with their monarch just to keep their heads.
@@kezia-lemonthorne2507 we, ALL of us today, would do the SAME THING, in order to keep our head on its place......
It's not even about being a woman, it's about whether or not you want to live or you prefer to get executed.
Catherine only knew that death was too high a price to pay for any ideology, especially one that has already spelt doom for many others, men included. So she took the high road, which was also the smart road.
See I think she is right in what she said, if only she were genuine, but I’m discerning to become a Nun, so this level of humility and obedience is expected of me
She is so clever. She must be so affraid. Strong woman. And at the end the king said we are perfect friends again
And, before bullets\firearms were even invented! Waaaaaayyyyyyyy better than any hero\heroine in Matrix.
@@j.b.9581 matchlock muskets were available during king Henry viii’d reign.
marriage was so different then
Silver Kitty I don't know recent trial saw ex wife had left great big knife husband's side of the bed Think AH rings a bell Some looney spouses those times and now it seems
At that moment she burned all materials relating to controversial religion, instructed her ladies to never speak on the subject again and shut her intellect off. Poor woman, another victim of Henry’s narcissism. He didn’t kill her body, but her mind
Actually + not all. He didn’t kill her mind at all. She knew enough to keep quiet for a little while.She is the first published female English author. After Henry’s death, when it was safe to do so in her stepson’s reign she published one or two Protestant books herself.
No he didn't kill her mind. She saved herself and her ladies. After Henry's death Catherine was free to practice her Protestant worship and published Lamentation of a Sinner.
@@brontewcat The first known book in English by a woman was Revelations of Divine Love by Julian of Norwich.
@@jatinsandis6983 Yes, and there is also Margery of Kempe. But were their works published? I think publishing came about after the printing press came about. I thinking publishing means making work more widely available than a few manuscripts.
@@brontewcat But unfortunately nowhere on the internet her name is found but the one i copy pasted to u above.
Fun Fact: Queen Katherine Parr was the first English queen to publish a book under her own name
She was also the first english woman
What I like about this segment is that it is a verbatim report of what was actually said -- line by line. "The Tudors" is not terribly accurate, except when it deviates from fantasy & actually tells the truth. Lordy, but Catherine Parr knew how to grovel to perfection!
The creator meant for the series to be entertainment, not bigraphical.
@@gidzmobug2323 When the historical Tudors are involved, their actual history is more entertaining than anything a fabulist could concoct.
@@cathryncampbell8555 Outside of the historical inaccuracies the tiny little fellow they cast as Henry was the worst. I always wondered if he was a kid of the producer or something since everyone else was perfectly cast. 😂
@@AlexandriaSWest Oh I agree! The late, great Keith Michell was my favourite Henry (in "The Six Wives of H8"), followed closely by James Robertson Justice (in "The Sword & the Rose") & Charlton Heston (in "The Prince & the Pauper"). Charlton Heston's Cardinal Richelieu (in the Richard Lester "3 Musketeers") is likewise a masterpiece, btw.
I think Seymour was pretty good at it too, only she died ...
And that's why they call her Survivor.
Sadly she died giving birth to her next husband's baby a few years later. Anne of Cleves was the truly lucky one
@@chloephillips1381 honestly good for Anne
@@babsgrayson8432 even Anne didn’t have an easy go of it. Mary stripped Anne of everything when she suspected that Anne was helping Elizabeth
@@cherrytraveller5915 they all put up with Henry better than I would've. They each has their own strengths that enabled them to survive as queen in different ways.
He was out of his freaking mind! A very scary moment for Queen Catherine no doubt.
isn't it strange the whole country was telling him that he was sane and doing the right thing in the disposing of his wives ...and the women mad
@@silverkitty2503 The women did not have much choice if their ambitious families pushed them and who would say no to the most powerful man in the land who was also a serial killer. He had many people executed, as well as some of his wives. Thomas More, Thomas Cromwell, The Duke of Surrey, Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury (daughter of the Duke of Clarence). Cardinal Wolsey would have been for the chop but he died on his way to see Henry and many 'rebels' and 'heretics'..
@@silverkitty2503 well they kinda had to kiss ass or they would go to the chopping block. Nobody was safe. If a king can execute his wife on false charges just because she didn't give him a son, what does that mean for members of the court who say no to him? One actually did, Thomas Moore. We all know how that turned out.....
Probably syphillis
Archbishop Thomas Cranmer came looking for her after the rupture occurred. He found her crouching in the dark in her quarters, alone, her ladies having fled. She was becoming hysterical. He coached her on how to handle Henry, whom he knew much better than she did. A good man, & Elizabeth I's godfather. He unquestionably saved her life. 🗡
Can you find the source on this interaction? I find Thomas Cranmer’s involvement fascinating in this moment. I never gave him much thought in history but perhaps I was mistaken.
@@-keren- Oh, Cranmer was extremely involved. Like Katherine, he knew how to stay on Henry's good side even when their beliefs were different. Cranmer pretty much built the Church of England under Henry's very nose without Henry recognizing just how much further the reformation had gone than he intended. And Crammer was involved in every single marriage and divorce: as Archbishop he had to be. The dance it took for him to stay alive when other courtiers, like Thomas More and Thomas Cromwell, went to the block primarily for favouring a former wife or not encouraging a new one properly - Cranmer's surviving all six wives and Henry himself was a miracle of diplomatic strategy (I don't mean he actually survived Anne of Cleves; I think she may have still been alive when Cranmer was executed under Mary; I just mean he survived her ousting as queen along with all the rest.) And the political power as well as church power he wielded even beyond the grave through the reinstatement of the Book of Common Prayer and Homiles in Elizabeth I's government was more influential in the development of England even down to the modern age than many realize. The complex interweave of church and state back then is fascinating in terms of political power and influence: I'm actually writing a series on it.
@@-keren-
I'm sorry, but I got no notice of your question. I have many, many books of Tudor history, & I'm afraid I no longer remember where I read this. I also read about the strong stand Cranmer took when Henry wanted to water down some of the reform parts of the Reformation. He basically told the despot that whatever it was could not be done in that wise. And Henry backed down! An amazing man. I've always grieved that he didn't follow his wife & children to the Continent when Mary I ascended the throne. He must have heard the clock ticking. Instead, he stayed & thrust his right hand, which had signed the recantation of his true beliefs, directly into his pyre, & watched it burn. 🔥
@@cmm5542
I'll look forward to it. You are very well-informed! I am a Roman Catholic & I have read his beautiful Book of Common Prayer from cover to cover. I adore it. 📖
@@h.calvert3165 It is beautiful. I am proud to be Anglican and that Cranmer didn't throw out all the church traditions and beliefs the Catholic Church had valued and preserved for centuries over their reform disagreements. I studied the Reformation for my master's degree; it's sad how many people died because they couldn't appreciate that we don't all have to worship the exact same way or take the exact same approach to reforms. As much as I appreciate our history, inter-denominational dialogue is one thing I am so relieved we do better nowadays!
"Majesty, shall I rescind the order to arrest the Queen?" "Why?" replies world's worst husband ever!
I think that Henry never loved any of his wives he just wanted a legitimate son. Which is ironic because his sole legitimate son died as a teenager.
@@andriagivens5815 It's very more ironic that his most ignored and least wanted child - Elizabeth - grew up to be the one of the greatest English monarchs !
@@andriagivens5815 By this stage of his life, that dude could no more have fathered a child than the wine goblet he was drinking out of could.
@@andriagivens5815 While possibly true, there are some scholars who believe, from historical accounts and his own actions, the only one of his wives he ever truly loved was Jane Seymour.
@@grayden4138 1. because she gave him a son
2. because she died before she could anger him in any way. By dying while serving his greatest desire, she became the embodiment of what he wanted in a woman: someone whose life's purpose was only to serve him and his wants. She didn't live long enough to disappoint him in any way, so she didn't get devalued or discarded.
3. Henry never loved anyone but himself
3:00 The way she walks out of that room. OMG, she's a QUEEN!
She was such a brilliant woman, even knowing how to deal with the men of her time.
She had 2 things the others didn't.....a warning from an ally and time to prepare herself. Xx
Anna of Cleaves and Kathrine Parr were so smart! They played the games at Court and won!
Anne of Cleves had one advantage in that she was a foreign princess. Henry would not have dared execute her, not that she gave him any reason to.
The pain in her eyes as she had to lie through her teeth
Courageous and smart. Because she not only saved herself but set up that priest who was against her.
If only she didn't fall for that Seymour
Would have been difficult to be an intelligent woman back then always being treated weak and feeble
And she had her own money after her husband died too. She was so close to having a great life and marrying the man she loved, but she couldn't turn down a king.
@@hpr2008 She marry him, then died giving birth to his children less than 2 years later.
@@princess7jasmine They should've had more time together. How terrifying to be Queen to a man who's had most of his other wives sent away or killed. And she had to be extra careful because of her religion. Not that Thomas was a real prize either.
@@princess7jasmine Only one child was born: a daughter. No one seems to know what happened to her, though. After her mother's death and father's execution, the baby was sent to the Duchess of Suffolk (as a ward). No one knows what became of the daughter beyond that.
Women have always had to play the part. We hate doing it, we hate even more so to be treated as such, but goddamn it we had to do it and still do. Men see themselves as the better of the human race, the stronger and smarter, especially in the past. They knew all, saw all, what could a woman know and see? For wise women, smart women, we were either shunned, or worse, executed. Catherine Parr knew the risks. Catherine Aragon and Anne Boleyn did not see that far ahead. All smart women, all talented and revered in their own ways, but Parr knew, Parr had 5 ex wives to learn from. Be spoken, be revered, but when it comes to the men, be submissive and quaint.
Yes. The way Henry treated Catherine and Anne was unprecedented. Catherine had plenty of examples.
Catherine of Aragon was permitted to serve as Regent for a while. Henry's upset with her was that there was no legitimate son after 20+ years of marriage. Catherine refused the traditional means of declaring the marriage over (retiring to a convent).
Katherine Parr had been around the court and had seen enough to make her wary. She or her mother had been one of Catherine of Aragon's ladies. Katherine had also seen the way the Princess Mary was treated--Henry had been indulgent to his intelligent and pretty daughter, but when she took her mother's side, he spurned her, treated her abominably, refused to let her see her beloved mother (just spite on his part).
And sadly, men can always resort to brutality, violence, oppression and murder, should a woman stand for herself and assert her independence or intelligence too much. This is the tragedy of so many men, throughout history; they are so volatile and weak in spirit, and they cannot stomach a woman that won't submit to them, so they must stamp them out completely. How strong is a man if he must have weaklings all around him, to make him feel stronger?
You're right, but things are DRASTICALLY different now than they are then. Many women around the world now no longer have to 'play the part.' As a woman though I couldn't imagine living in those times where you had to hide your intelligence like that. It wasn't just Catherine Parr that was wise from the past, but Elizabeth as well. She certainly chose not to get married during her long reign because of not only what happened with her own mother, but with all the other wives too.
I literally bought all four seasons at a flee market for $30 this past weekend, I've been bingeing and I love it
I envy you so much...
*starts plotting a charge of treason on you*
It’s free online
From season 2 to the end of the tudors - it really nails it in, how terrifying King Henry Vlll was. I felt so bad for the women around him
Shit! Everyone around him!
Like King Donald .... But Better Educated and more Talented!
@@jamesalexander5623 Add in sneaky and corrupt and you have obama- Biden
@@jamesalexander5623 Like king dumber than a box of fucking rocks, Trump!
she was amazing woman! That answer was perfect
And correct
Smart women learn early how make their weakness to be their power.
The best way to soothe a narcissist is to butter his biscuits.
Talk about thinking lightening fast on your feet.
After those few minutes of sheer terror, I would have barfed in a side hallway. Lol
Oh she was good, she was very very good!!!
Now that makes me wish that Diana Rigg had gotten to play Katherine Parr at some point.
Actually Katherine Parr published 4 books. Queen , Regent , Scholar , published author , Nurse .
An astounding woman.
I think Katherine Parr and Katherine of Aragon were by far the finest of his queens.
To anyone who thinks irl people would never put up with a king who actually behaved liked Aerys 'Burn Them All' Targaryen... we present this guy here, unfortunately real.
GOT drew much of inspiration from source from real life 😊
Those are the Kings that people put up with the most, the nice ones usually get betrayed
Because they do not have the courage to stand up for what is right or against what is wrong (in this case) and think for themselves.
Another example: North Korea.
Actually he seems like Maegor I Targaryen "The cruel" he too took several wives because he wanted a son but all his children were stillborn or miscarried and his last wife survived him
Exciting to watch in the 21st century.. it must’ve been terrifying to have lived it in the 16th.
So exciting.... I can be arrested for having a miscarriage. A few thousand miles away there's a place where women are beaten for smiling too much.
As powerful as he was as an older man he lived in fear . Wherever he stayed his locksmiths would change the lock to his bedroom. He slept with one eye open !
She didn’t want him in the first place
Can you blame her? He divorced two wives and beheaded two more!
“Why?” Lol! Love that part.
I don’t get it though. She had saved herself, he had forgiven her, therefore he had dropped all ideas of arresting her and having her executed or whatever, right…?
So why did he not say ‘yes, rescind my orders to arrest her tomorrow’?
Does that mean he was still having her arrested the next day?
@@meganchristinevincencciaki5081 He didn't rescind his order because he wanted to put the frighteners on Catherine and keep her in check. He also did it to show his authority and indignation at the officers who came to arrest the Queen, who were not aware that the couple had been reconciled.
Basically at this point in his life, Henry was quite sociopathic and enjoyed everyone marching to his drum. It was also a way of showcasing his majesty without compromising his integrity. If he defends Catherine in public, it makes him look magnanimous also.
@@meganchristinevincencciaki5081 basically everything jmiller05 said. I would like to add that I believe Catherine liked the bishop who wanted her dead. Henry wanted to show her that the bishop was really not her friend by going through with the arrest, pretending it was an act of defiance on the bishop’s part as opposed to an order by Henry. Shortly after, he pardoned the bishop from his court and was able to do so without any protest from his wife.
I’m really not sure if the arrest attempt the following day actually happened in reality, though. It might just be dramatization. I’ll have to do some research. Historical fact vs. historical fiction can fall into gray areas.
@@edwardfitzhugh7547 But Bishop Gardner was corrupt, he was embelezzing from the king, he was in charge of secret abbey's that the King was trying to dissolve, but instead of transferring the funds to the king's exchequer like he's supposed to do Bishop Gardner was keeping the funds for himself, in fact Edward Seymour's wife points this out when she notices an arrest warrant is sitting on Gardener's desk.
@@MsWiccanpriestess you are correct. I had forgotten that.
Towards the end of his life, Bloody Henry was totally bald and, by some accounts, weighed 35 stone. This representation of him is rather less than accurate!
Guy had a 54 inch waist line, could barely move, and probably smelled like a New York alley…..
…creative license has been taken often in depictions of Henry.
Yeah this is just the wrong actor for him. Who tf dud the casting?
JRM with his Cork accent becoming more pronounced with each episode (Im from Cork 😅)
@@aegonthedragon7303 I envision "Fat Basterd" ( from Austin Powers ) without the Accent!
The show is extremely inaccurate with history and appearances and portraying some people as allies or enemies when they weren't irl They didnt portray Henry as his appearance as at that time he was severely obese, could barely walk and his ulcer stunk worsened by the way he tied his stockings so tightly to show his calves as it would have reduced the show's appeal. Anne of Cleaves was portrayed as the ugly wife because Henry being Henry disguised as a peasant snuck into her bedchamber and she screamt calling him an ugly man.Henry was insulted that as it was a massive blow to his ego. The portrait was made by Hans Holbien renowned for his accuracy and Hans would have lost his head if it was inaccurate. The fact Henry kept him on as court painter proves it was accurate. If the show portrayed Henry as what he behaved irl and tried to romanticise it there would have been massive backlash for trying to romantise a stalker and rapist. He stalked Anne and ruined her reputation which at that time was ruining her forever as the only way for a woman to financially secure herself was a good marriage. With a reputation in shatters and nobles knowing marrying her would mean Henry's wrath Anne was ruined. She even quit her job as a lady in waiting, a extremely prestigious position at that time and went home to Hever Castle but Henry went to 'visit' a castle nearby and stalked her from there. With her reputation ruined, she was forced to marry Henry. To people calling her seducing Henry, it was impossible to say NO to a king yet she tried for a long time but lost. There are historical records a letter from Henry to Anne in which was written you are a deer I am a hunter you cannot escape me. So it makes sense the show portrayed Henry inaccurately. Do you really think ot would have been have a hit if they portrayed Henry as ugly and as a stalker and a rapist. No it would not have
She's my ancestor. Her sister married my family member, the Earl of Pembroke.
Earl of Pembroke
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Pembroke
That's amazing can you share us more details
Queen Catherine Parr was the first woman to publish in English, under her own name.
I have read her book. It is quite good, & very sincerely pious. 📕
A clever woman, Queen.
Perfect example of a woman playing dumb to please a man.
This is the worst example.
This discussion is intellectual. The man is a king. The time period is one where the law is as the king wills it.
A typical example today is your woman nagging you about the trash, or if a man is financially abusive then that can start an argument.
the man we're talking about is henry the 8th. she had to submit or else she would've be sent to the chopping block !
She knew she had to speak carefully ,and wisely or she would be for the chop.
Decapitation
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation
Catherine Parr was always one step ahead of the vile Gardener. Catherine Parr was a highly intelligent reformer . Gardener went after Catherine Parr constantly & manipulated Henry viii insecurities & arrogance. Gardener issued a warrant yet vile Henry viii agreed for the warrant. They try to show Henry companionate , he wasn’t he was constantly paranoid as he knew he was close to death . He kept Cranmer ( Protestant) & Gardener ( Catholic) on his privy council .
Divorced, Beheaded, Died; Divorced, Beheaded, Survived. Catherine Parr survived.
I love Catherine Parr and this speech is magnificent and pretty accurate. You can't compare the wives in terms of intelligence. That's comparing apples to oranges. Every one of these women had totally different circumstances they had to deal with. I love Parr and Cleves, but I wouldn't call them "smarter" for surviving. Anne of Cleves had incredibly smart lawyers. Henry wouldn't have been able to kill her without causing a war. Parr was advised by Thomas Cranmer on how best to approach Henry. And truthfully, had Henry lived longer, she may very well have still been murdered by him. Sadly, even though she survived Henry, she still had a tragic end. Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn were both incredibly smart women. Unfortunately, they were both married to Henry when he was still obsessed with having a son. Nothing they could have said or done would have prevented Henry's cruelty towards them. With Anne specifically, that's when he had his famous jousting accident in which he highly likely suffered brain damage that was the probable reason for his drastic personality change.
He was already a misogynistic pig before the accident.
When I first saw this scene on Netflix, I wanted to stop watching all together. I was panicking for her, I thought she was gonna suffer the same ill fate like the other wives.
I was relieved 😌 that she was smart and smart enough to make her way through.
Even though there is a lot of exaggerated dramatization in the show, I don’t think they would have completely changed the story and killed her off LOL. I knew she was safe, I was just curious how it was going to play out on Showtime.
If you know anything about Henry then you would know she was probably safe as long as she kept her wits together and backed down. Henry was a coward. If he had decided to get rid of someone he would disappear and not be around when they were arrested. The fact he summoned her to him meant he was giving her a chance.
Divorced, beheaded, died
Divorced, beheaded, *survived*
@@nicoletrudell2065 Actually Divorced Beheaded Died (in childbirth) Divorced Beheaded Died (in childbirth).
Anne of Cleves was the true survivor, because Catherine Parr only outlived Henry by 18 months or so.
@@brontewcat True, but I think their point is, she survived *Henry*
God, I loved this show so much!
The groom at the end must have been like: Just back down Peter, remember what everyone told you, just smile and bow, *smile and bow!*
Yes you know the history that she did survive but nevertheless your heart is in your mouth during this scene. Her fate hung on a knife edge and this was portrayed brilliantly here by the superb direction, dialogue and acting. That fact that he really did put her through this shows what a nasty tyrant he had turned into. But he was very intelligent and perceptive, so did he really believe her or did he just want to exercise his immense power over her. One for the expert historians to argue.
Lucky for her she learned from the other queens' mistakes.
Anne Askew (sometimes spelled Ayscough or Ascue), married name Anne Kyme (1521 - 16 July 1546), was an English writer, poet, and Anabaptist preacher who was condemned as a heretic during the reign of Henry VIII of England. Anne was close friends with Catherine & had been racked & burnt alive for simply reading the Bible in English . Gardener saw this a heretical & horrendously tortured her , yet she refused to mention the Queen Catherine Parr . Parr was then full aware what was coming for her & used her wits ( as in this scene )
"I'm the survivor Catherine Parr!"
Would not been supriced regarding Cathrines arrest orderd that Henry had no intension of doing that and was possebly behind Cathrine being warned(it was to scare her) and also it was possebly a plot to fool her enemys from Henrys side as Cathrine had been foolish enough to be to outspoken religusly from her enemys and most likely Henrys side
Can’t believe I never saw this scene!
Henry has much to answer for.
What a wonderful retort.
Am I right, if I tell that if Henry would not die, he would lead Catherine to execution site?
He signed the warrant--but sent the Lord Chancellor packing later (the video is on here somewhere).
My biggest flex is that I grew up where she lived with with one of her husbands I own land what maybe she might of walked on or owned and I got baptised in the church where she would of prayed at
Just proves how how horrible a human Henry was. She did nothing wrong yet she was going to get arrested for "bruising" his ego. Karma that God never granted him a son that lived past adulthood.
Maybe she chose a green outfit to reflect an image of mother nature preserved, untouched by any vice?!
Hello 👋 how’re you going?
Her head Stays on her shoulders👍👍👍
Gosh she was clever.! What a way of wording things .
And still today there are men who think that all Catherine said about her sex is true. 🤦♀️
Yes! They're Called Right-Wing Christian Republicans! .... Yeah, I went there!
How do they know she really said that was there a guy in the room writing it down?
The Tudors was an excellent series, there haven't been many that I've been depressed to see the end of in recent years but this was one of them. I'm aware that Catherine Parr was a very intelligent woman and that this scene was based upon an account from the time, it essentially amounted to Catherine saving her own skin by begging at Henry's feet not to be burned at the stake for heresy. I wonder though would we see such a scene acted out in today's TV series, a woman begging at the feet of a man. Perhaps but there would be reprisal later I've no doubt since that is the zeitgeist we have today.
What happened to her afterward she died was horrible. They wouldn’t allow her to rest. No respect !
Anne Bolyen was just as smart as Catherine Parr. But Catherine Parr I'd say knows how to play the game she is very street smart. But Anne Bolyen Doesn't have that much knowledge and doesn't really pay attention to what she could be saying because of her temper. Anne Bolyen was known for being very book smart.
Why is the Queen’s costume so bad in this. Her lady in waiting is wearing a period specific costume, but Catherine is wearing something weird, no hood and a cape even though she is indoors.
Well done Catherine 🌹
Okay, so this scene is close to accurate. In this link tells the story of what actually took place:
allthatsinteresting.com/catherine-parr
As I understand, Catherine Parr came very close to being executed.
She was smarter than Katherine Howard that's for sure.
I don't get the last part, " your majesty shall I recind the queen's arrest for tomorrow" . meaning cancel the arrest but he said Henry said why. so who is getting arrested?
no he said "resend".
Who would you rather?
A king with obnoxious temperament?
Or a man with obnoxious greed?
I’d go for neither.
Joely Richardson is classy AF. She did such an amazing job.
imagine a modern woman saying her opinions to henry 8 -she'd lose her head in 1 hour
But this scene closes with Henry asking why he should rescind his order to have Catherine arrested the next day???
Actually didn’t happen in reality. Added for dramatic purposes. But on the show, Henry went ahead and had his men come to arrest her, but he flipped out on them (playing as if he was surprised) when they showed up, and he sent them away. This was a tactic he used to scare Catherine into full submission, plus it was a way of showing them all who the boss was and not to cross him.
please do more videos about Tudors.
Min 3:10 Does the psychopath still want to arrest her?
In the show, at least, he’s staging a scare tactic performance. He’s going to go ahead and have his men attempt to arrest her. Then he will scream at them and tell them to beat it. By doing this, this does two things: 1) Show his wife not to ever try to cross him because he won’t hesitate, 2) To show his men who’s boss because some of them like to cross him, as well.
Watch the next scene, Catherine Parr’s arrest, and you’ll see what I mean.
Great series.
I am sorry but no matter how they ugly him up Jonathan RhysMyers was still too pretty for Henry! LOL but he did goodDid Henry truly talk like that
Henry was a sick monster.
I don't understand when, at the end, the gentleman says "should I resend the arrest warrant?" King Henry replies "why?"
He was setting the queen up for a test. The following day, they came to arrest her, causing her to almost have a heart attack. The king angrily sent them away and all was well. This was a way for the king to further affirm her newfound belief that he is not to be messed with because he will indeed punish her like all the others, and it was a way of putting her against the bishop whom she admired but Henry needed her against him (he was the one who requested the queen be tried for heresy in the first place and started the investigation).
Catherine Parr look like she been crying
Would be interesting to know if his voice was anything like it’s depicted here.
His appearance definitely wasn't. Henry had red hair (as did his daughter Elizabeth--the sandy, light red rather than Titian.. Mary had more sandy hair,. This is going by the surviving portraits; they may not be totally accurate, but he definitely did not have dark hair. And Katherine Parr wasn't a glamorous blonde. She may have had darker hair, again judging by her portrait. She was in her early thirties, I think (and twice widowed), when Henry married her..
At this point in time The Pain in Henry VIII's leg had become so bad that he was self medicating with a mixture of Crushed Pearls and Lead.
That would have definitely damaged his vocal chords in my opinion.
She’s a genius! He was such a crazy dangerous guy, it’s like trying to avoid abuse from a mentally ill parent and she got off Scot free
If the order to rescind the arrest was denied, why wasn't she arrested?
@@dj3114 that part is just fiction, but on the show, he chose teach a lesson to both her and his men by having them deliver an arrest warrant to her the following day. Upon doing so, he yelled at his men and sent them away. He did this so a) she will always remember not to cross him, and b) to remind his men that he has the final say in all matters.
about 70k people were executed during his reign, pretty hefty especially considering the low population at the time and this number doesnt even include all the people who died in all the wars he waged. Extremely blood thirsty character, one of the few true unchecked absolute monarchs in english history
Those figures are grossly exaggerated!
Yes, Catherine Parr and Anne of Cleves were the survided wives 😊
I don’t understand the ending. He asks if he should rescind the order to arrest her if all is now well, and the king replied “why?” So in other words she should still be arrested ?
I think he didn't remember, probably already had dementia
My 16x great aunt!!
Catherine Parr outwitting not just Henry Tudor yet also Gardener the Catholic privy councillor who went after all her friends most famously the , lady
Anne Askew (sometimes spelled Ayscough or Ascue), married name Anne Kyme (1521 - 16 July 1546), was an English writer, poet, and Anabaptist preacher who was condemned as a heretic during the reign of Henry VIII of England.
have a doubt...at the end he was asked if they should send word to rescind the order to arrest the queen. He asks "why?"..did he not cancel the order? And just pretend to accept her apology
He wanted to give Catherine’s enemies a good tongue-lashing as a show of strength and power. That’s why he didn’t rescind the order.
He was a monster. He acted as a God and couldn't even do what ever male can- produce a healthy child. He ruined and took life of hos wives and people. He even pushed his childern in misery. As he was if I would be living in UK I would never be proud of him as a ruler.
We're not proud of him but all countries have had bad rulers. We're proud of his daughter Elizabeth for being one of the greatest monarchs in history, and our royal family today is from a different dynastic family altogether so we don't have to base our national pride on a ruler from over 400 years ago!
wait what happened at the end?
Stoking his ego is what saved her life…damn.
Henry became Tony Soprano.
Why did he not rescind the arrest order when in the garden he forbade it and pitched a royal temper tantrum? Did he just want to look like a hero or did he change his mind last min?
I think he already had dementia or something