Great info! I've been paying more attention to the seed labels over the past few years. It's crazy what you see on the label with seeds, coating and inert materials. 5 years ago, I planted a big name Camo making company that has a big seed division that has was a brassica and clover mix in a acre plot. It did great and had nice lush brassica plot. I didn't see much clover in it that fall, but there was some. I recently planted this same seed that I bought 3 years ago on clearance for a 3/4 acre plot I have. Something didn't seem right with the seed. It looked more like wheat/oat types then brassicas. I flipped the bag over and it still listed brassicas 33% and clover 28% as it's main seed with 25% wheat and few other items. I was at TSC yesterday, they had this same 20lb bag of stuff on the shelf for 23.xx . I flipped it over and the tag had 38% wheat and it was down to 20% brassicas and 0% clover. They still have bags showing it as a brassica and clover blend. They are using wheat a main filler and still charging high prices.
Jason thanks for watching and commenting! Yes sir, lots of folks never look at the label and really never know what is in the blend they are planting! Thanks
Excellent points to watch for and consider Wes. Thanks so much for sharing. Another important thing to watch for when checking the labels and the germination rate is the date of the germination test. I have seen many times when buying seeds for the Fall plantings the local Co Ops have seeds that were left over from the previous season. This means the germination rate will be another 25 to 35 percent lower than what is on the bag! On a good note, if this is discovered before purchasing you can normally get these seeds at a discount and just go heavier when planting knowing that you have lower germination rates.
Nathan, thanks for watching and commenting! That’s 100% true, glad you mentioned that. Leftover stuff usually is going to have a lower germ rate for sure. And like you said you can save some money on the seed, as they just want to get rid of it at this point. Thanks for sharing that, I really appreciate that!
After years of plotting, I've narrowed it down to two companies that I will purchase seed from, and from those companies I will only buy certain products. Most food plot seed ranges from falsely advertised (as you highlighted in your video) to complete garbage. Also when seeding, I always seed heavier than recommended by about 20%, except for brassicas because they will get stunted if they don't have proper spacing. Seed like clovers and grains won't really be affected by overseeding in properly prepared ground, as they tend to self-regulate. I agree with your premise...and if you're buying seed from any company you see on TV or in a magazine, buy double what you think you need.
Thanks for commenting and watching the video! It’s amazing the difference in what you actually get when you start doing the math! And your exactly right, with brassicas you gotta be really careful as to not seed to much, but with others I’d rather be a little thick as thin. Thanks
I like seed coatings and don't care at all if it's 30% of the weight. I care more about even seed distribution and being able to see what you're doing.
Thanks for commenting and watching! That’s a great point the color coded seed is super nice to be able to see how thick you are planting the seed. My video wasn’t meant to bash a seed company for treating the seed, but it simply ensure your putting enough seed down, because after you take the coating and the non germinating seed out, you have less than what the bag says. Thanks
Good info. I made the same mistake when I first started applying fertilizer. The weight of the bag isn't the actual amount of fertilizer. Who knew?? Do now!!
Good conversation here. Rewind to 2000 when i bought my first farm. I had a friend who worked for tge bucks of tecomate like on the tv show level. He was a good hunter but really had rhe food plot game down. Now many times the talk came up 4x 5x the recommended seeding rate is what it really takes to make it like WE wanted it to be. Now thats expensive enough to scare most people away. If you want to hunt and peck for a piece of clover you go right ahead. I me want clover lets say and solid clover. But what do i know? I get told by internet experts all the time im doing it wrong.
Jermiah thanks for watching and commenting. I think a lot of times that higher seeding rate is key, not only because of what I talked about in the video but also there are a bunch of variables that we can’t control all going after our seed, only a small percentage make it to be an established plant. Thanks
Get individual seeds at local agronomy location and mix your own blend..lot cheaper and it's generally all seed ,if you want to apply a coating of whatever, buy that seperate..I get my buckwheat and winter rye grain there, and will start mixing my own brassica blend from seeds gotten there
Thanks for watching and commenting! I’ve done a good bit of that, this year a lot of my videos I wanted to hit name brands seeds and see if they had anything that stood out from each other or if they were basically all the same….ive got some Interesting results to share later.
Pretty eye opening. Ive been planting for 6 years and frustrated. Just the last year, I've been educating myself and really trying to get better info. Im seeing many of the areas where i went wrong and looking forward to correcting them on my new land
Brad thanks for watching and commenting! Hang in there man, food plots can be super frustrating, especially when your dealing with alot of variables that you cant control. Good luck with your plots, let me know if I can help! Thanks
@DIYfoodplotpro Thanks for all your great videos, Wes. It's awesome to see someone, a little closer geographically to me, that is doing videos. Lots of great guys up north, but the same stuff as Iowa and Michigan doesn't always translate to GA! KY is a lot closer! Keep up the good work!
@@BradFess-jo8to yes sir! I will continue, as I’m really enjoying making the videos and helping folks out. Yes sir, there are some similarities but there are also lots of differences in food plotting in the north vs the south!
Erin thanks for watching and commenting! I am sure glad to have you on the channel, and glad your finding the content helpful! Good luck with your food plots!
Good stuff Wes. I do the same..care way more what’s on the bottom of the bag-than the front of it. I also really watch that noxious weed part, as we have little lezpadeza and I don’t want it. Im pretty sure the little I got came from seed bags.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Absolutely correct, that’s a scary thought there! Those noxious weeds are definitely something to pay attention to.
Stellar info. I learned this the hard way. Was so excited to get my own property several years ago and went with name brand big buck on the bag clover seed and was so disappointed. Next year went with a much much cheaper seed that wasn’t coated and was astounded by results in comparison. Once I was able to understand the true seeding rates needed and price per actual lb of seed I was able to get much better results. Thanks so much for putting it out there! Good luck this season!
I had some radish I bought 2-3 years ago that was 50% coating. Still had plenty of seed, but it was a disappointment. I want to start seeing these labels online. I know they typically change every year, but it gets really disappointing real quick. I had another, that luckily I got on clearance, come in and the first seed was annual rye grass. I dedicated it to go into the yard. So many of these seeds are completely viable without needing the coating. It’s all money maker and eye candy when you open the bag and see all the pretty colors. Also as mentioned, it kills your rate that you planned for.
@@bowman8316 those deer radish are awesome. I got several bags for $2 each years ago at Walmart and used them for about 3 years. They were by far the best I have used. I used outside pride this year. I had them last year and never had room for them.
George thanks for watching and commenting, yes sir unfortunately annual rye grass gets thrown into several blends, glad you were able to spot it and knew what it was. Also I agree, some you can see online but most that I’ve seen don’t have a picture of the label b4 purchasing.
Missed your video this morning. Finally got to NY to plant. Got it all in today and we have two days of rain coming. Interesting timing on this video because i was calculating weights today. Did a few straight plots and a few mixed plots and i was trying to calculate how much seed i should remove to make room for the other seed. Was a pretty complex ordeal that i dont think a lot of people consider. I see people putting a full acres worth of one seed and then adding a full acres worth of another seed.
Roy thanks for watching and commenting, heck yah man that’s perfect timing on the rain coming! Absolutely it can get real complicated real fast, especially with seeds such as brassicas since they require such low seeds per acre.
Just bought jackhammer daikon radish from a local seed store covered with coating, I’m going to run with it but I’m not happy. I don’t feel radish should be coated, your thoughts. Thank you really enjoying your channel
Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it. Treated seed will have a better germination rate than non treated, no question about it. So at that point its personal preference whether you would rather have the extra seed or the seed treatment with improved germination but less seed. The legumes are a no brainer as long as part of the coating is the rhizobia bacteria needed to fix nitrogen….it makes 100% sense to treat those seeds. Glad your enjoying the content, glad to have you on the channel!
@@jonathanwilson2378 marestail look bas but shouldn’t overtake the plot. Pigweeds are what nightmares are made of. Is there to many to pull by hand? Next year plant enlist/roundup soybeans, and you can spray that, and it will kill both marestail and pigweed. We battled them for several years, finally switched to enlist this year and it’s amazing the difference.
Great info! I've been paying more attention to the seed labels over the past few years. It's crazy what you see on the label with seeds, coating and inert materials. 5 years ago, I planted a big name Camo making company that has a big seed division that has was a brassica and clover mix in a acre plot. It did great and had nice lush brassica plot. I didn't see much clover in it that fall, but there was some. I recently planted this same seed that I bought 3 years ago on clearance for a 3/4 acre plot I have. Something didn't seem right with the seed. It looked more like wheat/oat types then brassicas. I flipped the bag over and it still listed brassicas 33% and clover 28% as it's main seed with 25% wheat and few other items. I was at TSC yesterday, they had this same 20lb bag of stuff on the shelf for 23.xx . I flipped it over and the tag had 38% wheat and it was down to 20% brassicas and 0% clover. They still have bags showing it as a brassica and clover blend. They are using wheat a main filler and still charging high prices.
Jason thanks for watching and commenting! Yes sir, lots of folks never look at the label and really never know what is in the blend they are planting! Thanks
Wes...very interesting.
Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
Excellent points to watch for and consider Wes. Thanks so much for sharing. Another important thing to watch for when checking the labels and the germination rate is the date of the germination test. I have seen many times when buying seeds for the Fall plantings the local Co Ops have seeds that were left over from the previous season. This means the germination rate will be another 25 to 35 percent lower than what is on the bag! On a good note, if this is discovered before purchasing you can normally get these seeds at a discount and just go heavier when planting knowing that you have lower germination rates.
Nathan, thanks for watching and commenting! That’s 100% true, glad you mentioned that. Leftover stuff usually is going to have a lower germ rate for sure. And like you said you can save some money on the seed, as they just want to get rid of it at this point. Thanks for sharing that, I really appreciate that!
So informative ! Love the vids man. Keep ‘em rollin
Thanks man, I appreciate you watching and commenting!
After years of plotting, I've narrowed it down to two companies that I will purchase seed from, and from those companies I will only buy certain products. Most food plot seed ranges from falsely advertised (as you highlighted in your video) to complete garbage. Also when seeding, I always seed heavier than recommended by about 20%, except for brassicas because they will get stunted if they don't have proper spacing. Seed like clovers and grains won't really be affected by overseeding in properly prepared ground, as they tend to self-regulate. I agree with your premise...and if you're buying seed from any company you see on TV or in a magazine, buy double what you think you need.
Thanks for commenting and watching the video! It’s amazing the difference in what you actually get when you start doing the math! And your exactly right, with brassicas you gotta be really careful as to not seed to much, but with others I’d rather be a little thick as thin. Thanks
johnny what 2 do you like ?
I like seed coatings and don't care at all if it's 30% of the weight.
I care more about even seed distribution and being able to see what you're doing.
Thanks for commenting and watching! That’s a great point the color coded seed is super nice to be able to see how thick you are planting the seed. My video wasn’t meant to bash a seed company for treating the seed, but it simply ensure your putting enough seed down, because after you take the coating and the non germinating seed out, you have less than what the bag says. Thanks
Good info. I made the same mistake when I first started applying fertilizer. The weight of the bag isn't the actual amount of fertilizer. Who knew?? Do now!!
Clark thanks for watching and commenting! Yes sir, that’s a common one that gets a lot of folks!
Very good info.
Jeff thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
Excellent information! Thank you
Mark thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
My one plot was under water for 2 days and it's doing great... Thank you !
Great news man!!
Good conversation here.
Rewind to 2000 when i bought my first farm.
I had a friend who worked for tge bucks of tecomate like on the tv show level.
He was a good hunter but really had rhe food plot game down.
Now many times the talk came up 4x 5x the recommended seeding rate is what it really takes to make it like WE wanted it to be.
Now thats expensive enough to scare most people away.
If you want to hunt and peck for a piece of clover you go right ahead. I me want clover lets say and solid clover.
But what do i know?
I get told by internet experts all the time im doing it wrong.
Jermiah thanks for watching and commenting. I think a lot of times that higher seeding rate is key, not only because of what I talked about in the video but also there are a bunch of variables that we can’t control all going after our seed, only a small percentage make it to be an established plant. Thanks
Enjoyed it. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it! Glad to have you on the channel!
Love your vids man keep it up.!
Jacob thanks for commenting and watching. Thanks for the support, I really appreciate
Get individual seeds at local agronomy location and mix your own blend..lot cheaper and it's generally all seed ,if you want to apply a coating of whatever, buy that seperate..I get my buckwheat and winter rye grain there, and will start mixing my own brassica blend from seeds gotten there
Thanks for watching and commenting! I’ve done a good bit of that, this year a lot of my videos I wanted to hit name brands seeds and see if they had anything that stood out from each other or if they were basically all the same….ive got some Interesting results to share later.
Pretty eye opening. Ive been planting for 6 years and frustrated. Just the last year, I've been educating myself and really trying to get better info. Im seeing many of the areas where i went wrong and looking forward to correcting them on my new land
Brad thanks for watching and commenting! Hang in there man, food plots can be super frustrating, especially when your dealing with alot of variables that you cant control. Good luck with your plots, let me know if I can help! Thanks
@DIYfoodplotpro Thanks for all your great videos, Wes. It's awesome to see someone, a little closer geographically to me, that is doing videos. Lots of great guys up north, but the same stuff as Iowa and Michigan doesn't always translate to GA! KY is a lot closer! Keep up the good work!
@@BradFess-jo8to yes sir! I will continue, as I’m really enjoying making the videos and helping folks out. Yes sir, there are some similarities but there are also lots of differences in food plotting in the north vs the south!
Great video Wes! Thanks for all of your content and I have leaned so much from your channel.
Erin thanks for watching and commenting! I am sure glad to have you on the channel, and glad your finding the content helpful! Good luck with your food plots!
Good stuff Wes. I do the same..care way more what’s on the bottom of the bag-than the front of it.
I also really watch that noxious weed part, as we have little lezpadeza and I don’t want it. Im pretty sure the little I got came from seed bags.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Absolutely correct, that’s a scary thought there! Those noxious weeds are definitely something to pay attention to.
Stellar info. I learned this the hard way. Was so excited to get my own property several years ago and went with name brand big buck on the bag clover seed and was so disappointed. Next year went with a much much cheaper seed that wasn’t coated and was astounded by results in comparison. Once I was able to understand the true seeding rates needed and price per actual lb of seed I was able to get much better results. Thanks so much for putting it out there! Good luck this season!
Matt thanks for watching and commenting I really appreciate it! Good luck with your plots and hunting this season!
I had some radish I bought 2-3 years ago that was 50% coating. Still had plenty of seed, but it was a disappointment. I want to start seeing these labels online. I know they typically change every year, but it gets really disappointing real quick. I had another, that luckily I got on clearance, come in and the first seed was annual rye grass. I dedicated it to go into the yard. So many of these seeds are completely viable without needing the coating. It’s all money maker and eye candy when you open the bag and see all the pretty colors. Also as mentioned, it kills your rate that you planned for.
I been using biologic radish for 3 years now... they're great !
Midway ships them super fast... 3# bag
@@bowman8316 those deer radish are awesome. I got several bags for $2 each years ago at Walmart and used them for about 3 years. They were by far the best I have used. I used outside pride this year. I had them last year and never had room for them.
George thanks for watching and commenting, yes sir unfortunately annual rye grass gets thrown into several blends, glad you were able to spot it and knew what it was. Also I agree, some you can see online but most that I’ve seen don’t have a picture of the label b4 purchasing.
O and still no sponsor!
Nope not yet!!
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Great tips... thanks man !
Bowman thanks for watching man, I really appreciate it! How’s the plot looking that briefly went underwater???
Missed your video this morning. Finally got to NY to plant. Got it all in today and we have two days of rain coming. Interesting timing on this video because i was calculating weights today. Did a few straight plots and a few mixed plots and i was trying to calculate how much seed i should remove to make room for the other seed. Was a pretty complex ordeal that i dont think a lot of people consider. I see people putting a full acres worth of one seed and then adding a full acres worth of another seed.
Roy thanks for watching and commenting, heck yah man that’s perfect timing on the rain coming! Absolutely it can get real complicated real fast, especially with seeds such as brassicas since they require such low seeds per acre.
Just bought jackhammer daikon radish from a local seed store covered with coating, I’m going to run with it but I’m not happy. I don’t feel radish should be coated, your thoughts. Thank you really enjoying your channel
Biologic radish at midway usa rocks
Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it. Treated seed will have a better germination rate than non treated, no question about it. So at that point its personal preference whether you would rather have the extra seed or the seed treatment with improved germination but less seed. The legumes are a no brainer as long as part of the coating is the rhizobia bacteria needed to fix nitrogen….it makes 100% sense to treat those seeds. Glad your enjoying the content, glad to have you on the channel!
Great video Wes.I really like Northwoods sweet feast Brassicas blend.I think it is the best
Pat thanks for watching and commenting! I’ve never tried that blend, but I’ll put it on my list…maybe next year! Thanks
I planted round up ready soybeans. Is there anything that I can mix with roundup to kill the weeds, that won't hurt the beans. Thankyou
Jonathan is there any other traits built in??? Such as enlist?? Or are they straight roundup ready soybeans?
All the bag said was glyphosate resistant.
@@jonathanwilson2378 unfortunately there isn’t anything else you can spray on it that won’t hurt the soybeans. What weeds do you have out there?
Pig weed and marestail are the most common
@@jonathanwilson2378 marestail look bas but shouldn’t overtake the plot. Pigweeds are what nightmares are made of. Is there to many to pull by hand? Next year plant enlist/roundup soybeans, and you can spray that, and it will kill both marestail and pigweed. We battled them for several years, finally switched to enlist this year and it’s amazing the difference.
So do u have recommendations on which brand to buy?
Thanks for watching and commenting, right now I’m trying them all out, I hope to have recommendations for y’all b4 next year.